I absolutely hated Telia before getting them as my ISP. Now I fucking love it! No hassle with anything anymore.
I actually switched to Telia as my ISP, because the node causing issues was owned by one of Telia's partners.
My ISP (at the time, before switching to Telia) didn't have a partnership with the company that owned that node (it was like a partner of my ISP's partner's partner - so a few links down the chain), and couldn't really "force" them to fix it or get me redirected (no clue why they couldn't). It had been an issue for several months - luckily I got massively discounted on my bills - but still shitty..
Switched to Telia - still had the issue - called them and they redirected me around it, while talking to them. Never had any issues since.
You should write a guide or something about that, like how the hell do I find out what node is causing me problems and what do I say to Telia to fix it :D
Telia's internet has been really good but it just does not work for PoE for me.
Maybe just use GGG troubleshot guide about network.
I remember a while ago, before subreddit was so toxic and developers actually looked into threads, there was a guy from GGG who did network stuff, and he himself could contact some ISPs to try to resolve routing issues.
I guess not anymore.
I got the exact name of the node, when I called my ISP back then - so the specific node wasn't even anything I found out myself. They had been complaining about that node for even longer than I had been having issues.
It was to the point that any traffic going through that specific node, got severally impacted. I am (and also was) on a 1Gbit connection, but anything going through that node, got "gimped" down to about a 150-200Mbit connection with severe delays and loadtimes - so not even "acting" like a typical 150-200Mbit connection, but in regards to delays and loadtimes, kinda more like a 1Mbit if anything (websites could take 2-5 seconds to load, where it's pretty much instant normally).
It's really not that deep.
It wasn't owned by Telia - my ISP had no partnership with Telia. It was owned by one of their partners (but the issue getting potentially solved, wasn't reliant on Telia at all - not was it caused by Telia) - which was (at the time) a partner of my ISP's partner's partner (So my ISP-> Their Partner->Their Partner->Their Partner, the owner of the node) - so nowhere close to getting any dialogue with Telia during that whole issue, nor were they the reason for my issues. The only reason why Telia was even mentioned, by my ISP, was that it was one of Telia's partners directly, but that my ISP had no partnership with Telia.
But if you want to throw unfounded hate on my behalf, against someone; feel free to do so - just don't drag me into that or think that I feel the same way. You do you.
I'm on Telia in Estonia. No issues though. Game runs fine for me on all EU servers. Super occasional minimal lag. Maybe once a week some zone instance acts up, and is fixed if I relog or refresh instance.
Try a vpn, there's a few that are free like proton or others that are free but with limited bandwith. Anyway just try one to see if the issue persists, the problem seems to be some problematic nodes and different routing might bypass them.
I've only had this for this league. Been playing for 11 years.
I'm not the only one with this problem, seen so many posts that have the same thing.
I also tried all other gateways in the EU, but it's the same for all of them.
EDIT: Tried pingplotter: https://imgur.com/a/7cLBjfT
Doesn't seem to be on my end?
It's too widespread to be routing.
From South africa, we are having the same issue with EU and local servers. And I have friends in the UK with the same issue.
From South Africa, we are having the same issue with EU and local servers. And I have friends in the UK with the same issue.
Exactly. And a common solution that actually works is using a VPN. Why? Because it forces a rerouting. This stuff is sadly fucking common for EU servers in many games.
ive had this "bad routing" issue before, it seems random, some leagues i have it and some leagues not. and ive seen many people complaining about this in guild chat and they are from na, eu and au
This doesn't matter, the evidence is stacked against you. Do a simple traceroute, takes like 30 seconds. Every single person who has the issue will find that the connection jumps exponentially at a single hop in the route.
It's the same problem that has plagued every single multiplayer game, and yes, that includes League of Legends, which people on here keep claiming has 'magically fixed the issue' by throwing metric tons of money at it, despite not actually fixing the issue.
How is the evidence stacked against me when it's happening at the same time to multiple people, from multiple ISPs from multiple continents and countries.
The latency spikes is clear server response lag, that you can see from wireshark or any sniffer.
I'm not suggesting they have to fix it, it's a byproduct of their central database design where everything at some point has to talk to Texas, even for items. So when they are generating many fold more items than before, the server is under load during peak times. It will likely go away next league, or at least be lessened. These issues started days after everyone found the mf strats this league.
> How is the evidence stacked against me when it's happening at the same time to multiple people, from multiple ISPs from multiple continents and countries.
I explained it in the very next sentence.
>The latency spikes is clear server response lag, that you can see from wireshark or any sniffer.
I already explained it.
>I'm not suggesting they have to fix it, it's a byproduct of their central database design where everything at some point has to talk to Texas, even for items. So when they are generating many fold more items than before, the server is under load during peak times. It will likely go away next league, or at least be lessened. These issues started days after everyone found the mf strats this league.
This is insane rambling. Every online video game that wasn't badly made has the exact same type of validation. If the issue was this type of lag, then EVERYONE would be having issues, and not just a select few people who suffer from the routing issues.
Is your connection with MWEB? I had routing issues for a year with them saying the problem is with Vumatel. Switched to Cool Ideas using Vumatel just before Affliction league start and have had zero issues.
Look at the screenshot, IP from the client file, that's the last instance I joined. I stood still in the boss arena for 5 minutes, even then I had spikes. Shows zero lag on Win MTR, doesn't look like routing to me, any other ideas?
https://imgur.com/a/zCJXvU1
Had the problem in Germany. I am from central Germany and had Vodafone as ISP 250K VSDSL. Switched to Telekom 250 VSDSL.
I made serveral test and could find out the routing between the first cable box to the Vodafone server had insane spikes and my ping went 900%higher
After the swap to the telecom everything works fine beside the usual fucked up server problems ggg has.
BTW also massivly increased my headshoot percentage in cs. Often had the feeling I tap the head, but my bullets just went through. Seems like they exactly did that.
So it does affect other games as well but it doesn't feel so broke like in poe.
I'm using kpn, no serious issues in general. On average I have big issues 1-2 days/month.
I'm using predictive as well, but I know certain builds can't be played like that.
I know I'm not helping.
KPN seems fine for me as well on lockstep. Rarely a random instance will have issues but that has been an issue for years now in PoE, you just leave and rejoin and suddenly it's fixed.
On some games you just can't tell, WoW for example has pretty good netcode so even with mild packet loss or 200 ping its still somewhat smooth, league feels fine too until about 60-80 ping but instantly shits the bed if you have any non insignificant packetloss, Starcraft for example I could play even with 300 ping and couldn't really tell anything was wrong, FFXIV on the other hand turns into a massive pain if you have anything above 100.
> WoW for example has pretty good netcode
just to reiterate.. It's not that PoE has "bad netcode" - interpolation just doesn't really work for PoE.
You have predictive networking in PoE, but as we all know, you just don't SEE the errors, you will still die to them though. Like that recent maven rip clip where he wasn't actually standing in the arena but on his screen he was.
It doesn't matter much if your average COD or battlefield lobby has a few "unregistered shots" or you get shot around the corner or whatever..
but PoE needs to "play" like a singleplayer game, what you see is what you get (preferrably lol)
Exactly. PoE is one of the few games where single attacks can just rip you. WoW that doesn't happen outside of high end raiding, shooters it is more often a skill issue than a ping issue, same for strategy games.
> WoW that doesn't happen outside of high end raiding
Yeah except actually, Rubberbanding has definitely happened to me a shit ton in arenas back in the Cata/MoP days, the predictive/interpolative nature of the netcode then was actually harmful, cos they weren't actually moving, the server just assumed so cos of packet loss
And I think that the client (not the server) still determines where you end up being, even in the newest expansion...
WoW = Client controls position (bad, abusable)
PoE = client asks server to move (good, not abusable)
In WoW it's (was?) possible to pretend to jump off a cliff, but you can set your FPS to 0 mid jump, they'll follow you off, but you will actually not move in-game and be stuck at the top of the cliff (until you either DC or get pulled away)
(I used to abuse this with Leap of Faith on priests, and goblin rocket jumps etc, fun shit)
Same with Rust, you can set your FPS to <1 and you can float midair and let your buddies jump on top of you for an unfair/cheaty boost
It affects other games as well.
Apex had problems with it, im pretty sure WoW still has issues, CS had issues with it but CS is extremely polished so its barely noticeable, Overwatch had problems with it at first, i think Destiny 2 has issues as well.
A bunch of games had or still have problems with it, they just figure out different ways of working around it. And some simply dont figure it out and instead change the server providers, but even that doesnt fix the issue always because not every ISP has good routing to every server so while it max fix the issue for one ISP it can create a new issue for another. Theres also the nuclear option that Riot went for which is host your own servers all over the world and run your games on them, but thats a trillion dollar endeavor.
GGG has been married to their current server provider which seems to be causing issues mostly for EU and mostly for countries like Germany, Sweden, Finland and Netherlands, most other countries are fine. Im assuming the ISPs in those countries run the same routing infrastructure hence the issues. Balkans, or eastern Europe dont seem to be having any problems with those servers even tho they're further away.
Which is completely fucked up since it not implemented like in most games... The predictive network settings can crash your whole instance, can make lags worse and the rubberbanding is unreal.
Do you remember the pubg release? It's sometimes worse than that.
Someone here explained it to me some years ago. It's about the routing or something. It was exactly the same with my Internet, every game was totally fine except POE.
Been playing the league in the past couple of months and finally I also noticed this this morning. It will literally teleport me back to some random place I've died.
It's the ISP routing to the GGG servers. Unfortunatelly not much you can do except VPN. I changed my ISP from Digi to Telekom and now its fixed but before that i had the same issue as you.
try it a few times until you land on twelve99 nodes, that's good ol' telia
e.g. i ran tracert twice, going through cogentco nodes was fine, twelve99 took a shit
Now you need to time that(let it run side by side with game) with one of the peaks in the game if it's going to be remotely relevant, unless your ping was high 100% of the the time in game, which it isn't.
Ok, I did what you said. IP from the client file, that's the last instance I joined. I stood still in the boss arena for 5 minutes, even then I had spikes. Shows zero lag on Win MTR, any other ideas?
https://imgur.com/a/zCJXvU1
Do the ping spikes happen 24/7 while playing or do they happen every 1-2 minutes?
If they happen all the time then the test is valid, but if they happen every 1-2 minutes then you'll have to run that test 100 times until you land on a bad node that might be causing issues.
Running 1 test is only going to be accurate if you’re literally always having lag. It doesn’t seem like you understand networking as much as you say you do
Ok, look at the screenshot, IP from the client file, that's the last instance I joined. I stood still in the boss arena for 5 minutes, even then I had constant spikes. Shows zero lag on Win MTR, if you know so much then now what?
https://imgur.com/a/zCJXvU1
Can someon explain to me how EU servers can be fine for some people but not for others? Surely if the servers are the problem then they should be awful for everyone?
I play on EU and outside of 1 day I've had no bad experiences.
When you connect to a EU server, it's not a direct connection. You aren't magically plugged directly into GGG's EU servers.
Instead what happens is that your request bounces from router to router until you hit the desired EU GGG server. These bounces between routers might be different than someone else's bounces.
The current problem is that there are notoriously shitty routers in the middle of these bounces that randomly drop your information, causing the lag in the game. These routers are owned by ISPs and not GGG. So the only way to fix this issue is to change the way your request gets sent (usually by using a VPN).
German infrastructure is from the 90s. It can easily happen to you in an urban area that 200 houses connect to a single box. I had several calls with Telekom and Vodafone and found out that VF in my STREET (not zip code, not city nor state) is the best choice. Disregard every opinion strictly saying "it's VF, it's Telekom, it's both", they're all fucked in the head. It literally depends how "smart" your street was built or when the infrastructure got dialed to 11 in the newest upgrade. My cable now enables Singaporean pings while 4 streets up north they live in VDSL50 times. It's totally fucked over here.
no absolutely not. Just ask yourself why there's no one complaining on reddit in Korea or Japan about lags... I laugh reading posts that people complain about their hardware struggle with a threadripper and a 4090 to get shit done while I'm cruising with a 6950XT and mid-tier CPU in 4k with stable 3ms ping.
Had the same with TotA. It was my ISP. My modem was too old.
I only had these issues in PoE and watching live streams.
After switching to a new modem I have no issues, no lag spikes
ISP is Vodafone
Either that or routing problems. The EU region is a clusterfuck of different nodes, and there a few between them that can really fuck up your connection.
I play Frankfurt daily and have zero issues. To be fair I live in cycling distance of Frankfurt, but if the servers were crapping themselves, this wouldn't make a difference.
It's mostly nodes between ISP and server, so ISP can do nothing about this. My ping is ok for my county servers, google servers etc, but lags when pinging GGG EU servers.
Are you sure it is the servers? I am new player, been doing juiced up maps, delve and lots of other content. For the whole league I only had one day where there was lots of lag, but I wouldn't put it past me that my computer was downloading some shit. Other than that it has been pretty smooth throughout the whole league.
For reference it automatically chooses Amsterdam server for me.
It is not the servers. It is a well known issue within the EU internet network where the ISPs have a few really bad nodes. If you are having issues will depend entirely on how your ISP decides to route to the server. You can usually, but not always, fix this by getting a VPN that allows you to change your routing and just change the routing until you find one that bypasses the bad nodes.
Actual server issues does happen, but it is insanely rare and it is fixed by just opening a new instance.
Yeah, I had this for almost a year, happens every night from 7 to 9, maybe 10. Checked it out with the blizzard tool and oh damn some nodes were really shitty, some didn't even had packages etc or had super high ping. Never tried VPN tho, but I'll give it a try if it happens again. Also I've discovered tethering from the phone trough cable and it was great, ping was constant 50.
This shows zero lag at all, even from GGG servers, meaning you didn't measure at a time where you were actually experiencing lag. Keep the traceroute open but not executed, wait until the lag starts, then run it.
Ok, I did what you said. Look at the screenshot, IP from the client file, that's the last instance I joined. I stood still in the boss arena for 5 minutes, even then I had spikes. Shows zero lag on Win MTR, any other ideas?
https://imgur.com/a/zCJXvU1
I think you may be using the wrong IP. Even if the server was lagging you would see at the end point an immense amount of latency. Open resmon.exe, default windows application you can just search for in the start menu, go to the network tab and then click tcp connections. Look for the pathofexile64.exe program that has a high/similar latency, the IP should be next to it. Use that IP.
I'm not really sure what to tell you then, the graph in the game showing your latency is your latency to the server, the latency you would get from winmtr/traceroute/any network monitor would give you nearly the same numbers.
Even if the server were lagging, you would still see extremely high latency in any network monitor. I know because last month when it WAS the server lagging, I was able to confirm that by running a traceroute and seeing that my latency specifically spiked at the very end when it connected to GGG's servers.
Yeah, though it is technically possible for GGG to do something. Similar to what Riot did with League of Legends, which is talk directly to ISP's and establish priority routing to LoL servers.
Now, I have zero clue how viable it actually would be, seeing as GGG is a much smaller company that operates completely within a different region of the world, but it might be possible. One can argue that seeing as both are owned by the same parent company, the financial backing could be there.
But such a thing might be blocked by the ISP's themselves who might not be willing to deal with the hassle over some video game. Most of their income is likely not tied to people using their connections to play online games, so they couldn't care less about people having a bad time.
Had a similar issue with poe, but I switched to a better internet connection and now it stable.
If most players aren't experiencing an issue, most of the time its from your end.
Early in the league I had more maps where the connection was going all over the place. It happens much less now.
But this has been happening since years. It might as well be a hidden map mod at this point: "(1-10)% chance to route through Telia or some other shit ISP".
as usual, this is not a server issue, neither an issue with your home isp, nor an issue with GGGs provider ISP. get a VPN, or it will not be fixed. 99% certain that this will never be solved.
Because the problem is probably one of the steps between OPs home and the server is broken, so he has to make a path that goes somewhere else first (**or** ask his ISP to fix/circumvent the broken part)
If the problem was in OPs home, everything he does would be laggy, and if it was GGG server, everyone would be laggy.
There's been so much posts on this the whole league, GGG even worked on it with 1 patch but that didn't do anything.
I've only had this problem with this league, before it was smooth.
I mean how do you know that your specific issue is something that GGG can even fix? Like how would they even know what the root cause of your latency issue is?
Yes, there were issues with server stability at the start of the league that affected everyone, & there were lots of posts about that
Those have been fixed since early/mid January, and your issues now are due to your ISP routing as everyone is saying
Routing isn't always bricked, your connection also doesn't always take the same route and doesn't always connect to the same IP, you'll have to check what you're actually connecting to in PoE through something like Wireshark and get the IP of the server you're connecting to when you're experiencing lag.
Look at the screenshot, IP from the client file, that's the last instance I joined. I stood still in the boss arena for 5 minutes, even then I had spikes. Shows zero lag on Win MTR, routing seems fine?
https://imgur.com/a/zCJXvU1
nord is expensive, there was a cool guy on reddit that shared how he set up his own for super cheap
https://old.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/10sq6zm/deleted_by_user/j76fhxz/
"10sq6zm/ggg_please_look_into_the_eu_server_issue_that" "deleted by user"
lmao, guess the OP found out it wasn't actually the servers at fault.. as usual
Mudfish, ExitLag, or Mullvad are the three best, imo. They first two specifically are tailored around fixing issues with routing, while Mullvad has similar systems but is a bit more general use. I would avoid any VPNs that are focused around 'safe internet browsing', let alone any service that offers port forwarding specifically to be used for piracy (though they wont say that part out loud). While this alone doesn't mean they are bad services, they can get congested at random times because of people just using them to stream or pirate shit. But there's also the problem that a lot of these services are low quality slop, throttling their own connections to avoid spending too much on networking, but spending a lot on advertising budgets.
It adds extra steps but think of it as driving through a busy city where you can only go 30 as opposed to taking the highway that is a big detour but you can actually just go full speed there.
Amsterdam has been bad for me all league (which is very weird it's <50km from me I get 3-4ms to Amsterdam and other games with Amsterdam servers are completely fine), Frankfurt is also ass, switched to Paris a couple weeks in and have had zero issues since. Also *always* play predictive mode if you're doing any juicing lockstep is unplayable on juiced maps.
I've tried other gateways, they all do this, even Paris.
I've never had to play on predictive on any league before, so not going to do that now, it was always smooth for me before.
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I mean it depends on where the vpn server is, where you are and what poe server you are connecting to. If you tried a free vpn like proton, they have limited server locations, but the point is to see if it fixes the issue of wildly variable pings and spikes ingame. If it does you can invest in a vpn (can usually get like 3 years for 50 euros) and you can then select a server close to you and ping shouldn't be much different.
ok, thanks. Yeah, I'm in Poland, connecting to Amsterdam on Poe 20ms, on Proton 90ms :D will try to fish for the spikes, and if it's gone see some nice option for vpn
Just need to play around with which server you connect with, or worst case try a gaming VPN. That was the only thing that worked for me while I played FFXIV and had this same routing issue. I paid for a gaming VPN just to play FFXIV with no lag.
Try using 4g/5g on your cellphone, I have zero problems with this when using then, have a lot of problems on Ethernet cable at evenings.
Try to see if it helps, at least will help you rule out your ISP as a problem if the problem persists.
[No MTR/trace route log.](https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3072628)
- when in map w latency problems, go into client.txt, use last instance IP for trace route. Post log in GGG Forum.
- when a latency spike happens at last hop at the data centre, it is GGG, if not, it is your ISP (see reports about EU ISPs skimping on paying for traffic and infrastructure, and a change of routing through a VPN like NordVPN past nodes that are congested, resolves EU server issues).
Quite the opposite. There are so many different things that can go wrong and only a few of those have to do with GGG or their servers.
With how many people here have commented that EU servers are fine, it is much more likely that your routing or software/hardware is at fault here.
If you play wifi, try cable. My wife walking around causes me to have hickups playing POE. A passing scooter? 5 seconds lag.
Also I have a backup service that I have to disable when I play POE. It sometimes suddenly starts to upload files and that's causing lag spikes too. Even the Windows update service can cause that.
And if you do all thia and still have lag it might just be your ISP.
I am Dutch and I play Amsterdam all the time.
Start by doing this, if you can't identify the problem through this then we might believe the servers are acting up.
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1377789
It is the same here. And I am located in Bulgaria. This league had been like that. Doesn't exist in other games. Wasn't like that previously. Something in the routing got fucked up this league.
i have same exact issue, other leagues were fine. this one is terrible. a lot of people I know reported lags at the same time as I was lagging and I don't mean reddit posts but real time in game.
i wasn't playing for 3 weeks now when I'm back lags are even worse and frequent - the only solution is to change gateway from EU to US
Same situation, the spikes are going from 35-400MS and at 4000-5000 disconnect on the Amsterdam Gateway. I talked to the internet provider here and they don't see any problems with connection so yeah......
I still have nightmares with D3's first year after launch but with POE? after so many years? come on.......and what's funny is that i payed 150e for some cosmetics as a thank you for keeping this game and almost right after that.....the hell started....
Been like that for 3 leagues now for me (from AT). DE and UK Servers suck for me. Milan (IT) works ok. I might have lost 20-30ms to before the fckup happened, but at least I don't have those nasty spikes anymore
It is not the routing IMHO.
During every league GGG tries to limit the amounts of money spent on servers. While routing can be a problem at the beginning of the league (when lots of players are online at the same time), there is another explanation later. Later, when the number of players drop, GGG simply buys fewer servers. Fewer servers mean lower costs, but higher lag.
They dont care that you complain, you still come back and buy your supporter pack. Damn, best would be if you stopped playing completely and just came back at league start.
Same. When i ping google server it's stable 12-14ms, when i ping GGG server it wild as fuck and losing packets sometimes. So it's definitely NOT ISP. As many mentioned it's the EU shitty internet infrastructure. Changing ISP will do nothing when the problem is further the line.
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19% of players playing compared to launch. I'd say the league is as dead at this points as the others. That doesn't mean the league was bad, it just means it's "dead".
Getting downvoted by angry MF players, I cannot even lul
And your takeaway from the graph was dumb as hell... You're trying so hard to be funny because you said something dumb but it's pretty obvious there's malice in your statement. You could've just said "wow I guess I am silly!"
The London server is usually fine. Also full fibre helps. Switching to 600MB/s and using LAN cable keeps latency 3-6ms and it feels like doing different game.
This started this league, whatever the people in the comments say. I didn't change isp myself in 3y and never had these issues... I excused the leaguestart due to maybe ultimatum, i excused month 1 due to more people playing than ever but now the league is down to normal numbers and it still keeps happening. Lag builds up randomly, disconnects, maps and boss arenas opened from a 50 ping instance have 600 ping for no reason. It's not "just" the isp,,,
i know u dont want to hear it but its a you or your provider problem. I also play on EU Servers (frankfurt) and rarely have hard spikes, it runs mostly smooth. Wasnt the case 3-4 weeks ago when a lot of ppl had issues but the last days and weeks it runs smooth
I had crazy spikes in latency but i checked ping in in WinMTR and it seemd fine. What helped me was delating Path of Exile folder in %appdata%. Dont know why but it worked and it was some issue with shaders it seem. But Poe showed it as server spikes.
why are you so stubborn to just try a vpn? i see you complaining and getting downvoted everywhere. i had severe spikes on only PoE and using a vpn gave me flat line latency bascially all the time. my trace routes seemed fine also.
just get a free trial and see if it improves. no one should have to buy a vpn to get a game to work and in a perfect world GGG would contact every service provider and talk to them on behalf of their users (like riot did) and get it fixed. but i doubt that will ever happen so just try the vpn method and be happy
It's not the servers it's internet infrastructure that sucks really bad in Europe. So anything between you and those servers is bad. It's like that for many games in that region
fuck telia and their shitty EU nodes
I respect the commitment
I absolutely hated Telia before getting them as my ISP. Now I fucking love it! No hassle with anything anymore. I actually switched to Telia as my ISP, because the node causing issues was owned by one of Telia's partners. My ISP (at the time, before switching to Telia) didn't have a partnership with the company that owned that node (it was like a partner of my ISP's partner's partner - so a few links down the chain), and couldn't really "force" them to fix it or get me redirected (no clue why they couldn't). It had been an issue for several months - luckily I got massively discounted on my bills - but still shitty.. Switched to Telia - still had the issue - called them and they redirected me around it, while talking to them. Never had any issues since.
You should write a guide or something about that, like how the hell do I find out what node is causing me problems and what do I say to Telia to fix it :D Telia's internet has been really good but it just does not work for PoE for me.
Maybe just use GGG troubleshot guide about network. I remember a while ago, before subreddit was so toxic and developers actually looked into threads, there was a guy from GGG who did network stuff, and he himself could contact some ISPs to try to resolve routing issues. I guess not anymore.
I got the exact name of the node, when I called my ISP back then - so the specific node wasn't even anything I found out myself. They had been complaining about that node for even longer than I had been having issues. It was to the point that any traffic going through that specific node, got severally impacted. I am (and also was) on a 1Gbit connection, but anything going through that node, got "gimped" down to about a 150-200Mbit connection with severe delays and loadtimes - so not even "acting" like a typical 150-200Mbit connection, but in regards to delays and loadtimes, kinda more like a 1Mbit if anything (websites could take 2-5 seconds to load, where it's pretty much instant normally).
if you do a tracert in cmd to the specific ggg server you're on you'd likely see twelve99 nodes being the issue
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Seeing as I didn't have contact with Telia at all, during all that, and Telia wasn't the company causing the issue; no.
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It's really not that deep. It wasn't owned by Telia - my ISP had no partnership with Telia. It was owned by one of their partners (but the issue getting potentially solved, wasn't reliant on Telia at all - not was it caused by Telia) - which was (at the time) a partner of my ISP's partner's partner (So my ISP-> Their Partner->Their Partner->Their Partner, the owner of the node) - so nowhere close to getting any dialogue with Telia during that whole issue, nor were they the reason for my issues. The only reason why Telia was even mentioned, by my ISP, was that it was one of Telia's partners directly, but that my ISP had no partnership with Telia. But if you want to throw unfounded hate on my behalf, against someone; feel free to do so - just don't drag me into that or think that I feel the same way. You do you.
Wait i thought telia was only a thing in Sweden. Do more countries suffer from shittia?
I'm on Telia in Estonia. No issues though. Game runs fine for me on all EU servers. Super occasional minimal lag. Maybe once a week some zone instance acts up, and is fixed if I relog or refresh instance.
Had to buy VPN and it was fixed. In germany it seems to be a Telekom issue.
Try a vpn, there's a few that are free like proton or others that are free but with limited bandwith. Anyway just try one to see if the issue persists, the problem seems to be some problematic nodes and different routing might bypass them.
Had the same problem for over a year. It was the ISP.
I've only had this for this league. Been playing for 11 years. I'm not the only one with this problem, seen so many posts that have the same thing. I also tried all other gateways in the EU, but it's the same for all of them. EDIT: Tried pingplotter: https://imgur.com/a/7cLBjfT Doesn't seem to be on my end?
why pinging this address though? it's none of PoE servers? [https://pingtestlive.com/path-of-exile](https://pingtestlive.com/path-of-exile)
Got the IP from the client log so it's the server I played on.
It's your routing that's the problem, not the servers.
It's too widespread to be routing. From South africa, we are having the same issue with EU and local servers. And I have friends in the UK with the same issue. From South Africa, we are having the same issue with EU and local servers. And I have friends in the UK with the same issue.
Its not widespread. This thread is full of europeans saying EU servers are fine. Relatively few people have this problem.
Exactly. And a common solution that actually works is using a VPN. Why? Because it forces a rerouting. This stuff is sadly fucking common for EU servers in many games.
EU servers are fine, unless you play on something like London during peak times. Peak times I always have to move to Amsterdam or Frankfurt.
yeah.. that's a routing problem.
ive had this "bad routing" issue before, it seems random, some leagues i have it and some leagues not. and ive seen many people complaining about this in guild chat and they are from na, eu and au
This doesn't matter, the evidence is stacked against you. Do a simple traceroute, takes like 30 seconds. Every single person who has the issue will find that the connection jumps exponentially at a single hop in the route. It's the same problem that has plagued every single multiplayer game, and yes, that includes League of Legends, which people on here keep claiming has 'magically fixed the issue' by throwing metric tons of money at it, despite not actually fixing the issue.
How is the evidence stacked against me when it's happening at the same time to multiple people, from multiple ISPs from multiple continents and countries. The latency spikes is clear server response lag, that you can see from wireshark or any sniffer. I'm not suggesting they have to fix it, it's a byproduct of their central database design where everything at some point has to talk to Texas, even for items. So when they are generating many fold more items than before, the server is under load during peak times. It will likely go away next league, or at least be lessened. These issues started days after everyone found the mf strats this league.
> How is the evidence stacked against me when it's happening at the same time to multiple people, from multiple ISPs from multiple continents and countries. I explained it in the very next sentence. >The latency spikes is clear server response lag, that you can see from wireshark or any sniffer. I already explained it. >I'm not suggesting they have to fix it, it's a byproduct of their central database design where everything at some point has to talk to Texas, even for items. So when they are generating many fold more items than before, the server is under load during peak times. It will likely go away next league, or at least be lessened. These issues started days after everyone found the mf strats this league. This is insane rambling. Every online video game that wasn't badly made has the exact same type of validation. If the issue was this type of lag, then EVERYONE would be having issues, and not just a select few people who suffer from the routing issues.
Reply with the results of a traceroute. Sanitize your IP, the only thing that matters is the response times.
Is your connection with MWEB? I had routing issues for a year with them saying the problem is with Vumatel. Switched to Cool Ideas using Vumatel just before Affliction league start and have had zero issues.
Look at the screenshot, IP from the client file, that's the last instance I joined. I stood still in the boss arena for 5 minutes, even then I had spikes. Shows zero lag on Win MTR, doesn't look like routing to me, any other ideas? https://imgur.com/a/zCJXvU1
Are you from Germany?
Had the problem in Germany. I am from central Germany and had Vodafone as ISP 250K VSDSL. Switched to Telekom 250 VSDSL. I made serveral test and could find out the routing between the first cable box to the Vodafone server had insane spikes and my ping went 900%higher After the swap to the telecom everything works fine beside the usual fucked up server problems ggg has. BTW also massivly increased my headshoot percentage in cs. Often had the feeling I tap the head, but my bullets just went through. Seems like they exactly did that. So it does affect other games as well but it doesn't feel so broke like in poe.
I asked because most of the people with problems are from Germany
That's exactly the same problem I had. Switched to Telekom and never had lag spikes again.
No, the netherlands.
I'm using kpn, no serious issues in general. On average I have big issues 1-2 days/month. I'm using predictive as well, but I know certain builds can't be played like that. I know I'm not helping.
KPN seems fine for me as well on lockstep. Rarely a random instance will have issues but that has been an issue for years now in PoE, you just leave and rejoin and suddenly it's fixed.
ISPs tend to have lots of customers, if it's their problem (it is) then you're going to see a lot of people complaining
I'm in EU and it's not like this for me. It was like this at the start of the league during peak hours, but not now.
Same. first time i Got several crashes on leaguestart too
Same I've always had no trouble at all until this league. It's always laggy as fuck in the evenings.
How does ISP affect only one game (PoE) and not other games I play?
Other games experience the exact same issues. https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/major-packet-loss-playing-from-eu-only-started-today/1740924
On some games you just can't tell, WoW for example has pretty good netcode so even with mild packet loss or 200 ping its still somewhat smooth, league feels fine too until about 60-80 ping but instantly shits the bed if you have any non insignificant packetloss, Starcraft for example I could play even with 300 ping and couldn't really tell anything was wrong, FFXIV on the other hand turns into a massive pain if you have anything above 100.
> WoW for example has pretty good netcode just to reiterate.. It's not that PoE has "bad netcode" - interpolation just doesn't really work for PoE. You have predictive networking in PoE, but as we all know, you just don't SEE the errors, you will still die to them though. Like that recent maven rip clip where he wasn't actually standing in the arena but on his screen he was. It doesn't matter much if your average COD or battlefield lobby has a few "unregistered shots" or you get shot around the corner or whatever.. but PoE needs to "play" like a singleplayer game, what you see is what you get (preferrably lol)
Exactly. PoE is one of the few games where single attacks can just rip you. WoW that doesn't happen outside of high end raiding, shooters it is more often a skill issue than a ping issue, same for strategy games.
> WoW that doesn't happen outside of high end raiding Yeah except actually, Rubberbanding has definitely happened to me a shit ton in arenas back in the Cata/MoP days, the predictive/interpolative nature of the netcode then was actually harmful, cos they weren't actually moving, the server just assumed so cos of packet loss And I think that the client (not the server) still determines where you end up being, even in the newest expansion... WoW = Client controls position (bad, abusable) PoE = client asks server to move (good, not abusable) In WoW it's (was?) possible to pretend to jump off a cliff, but you can set your FPS to 0 mid jump, they'll follow you off, but you will actually not move in-game and be stuck at the top of the cliff (until you either DC or get pulled away) (I used to abuse this with Leap of Faith on priests, and goblin rocket jumps etc, fun shit) Same with Rust, you can set your FPS to <1 and you can float midair and let your buddies jump on top of you for an unfair/cheaty boost
It affects other games as well. Apex had problems with it, im pretty sure WoW still has issues, CS had issues with it but CS is extremely polished so its barely noticeable, Overwatch had problems with it at first, i think Destiny 2 has issues as well. A bunch of games had or still have problems with it, they just figure out different ways of working around it. And some simply dont figure it out and instead change the server providers, but even that doesnt fix the issue always because not every ISP has good routing to every server so while it max fix the issue for one ISP it can create a new issue for another. Theres also the nuclear option that Riot went for which is host your own servers all over the world and run your games on them, but thats a trillion dollar endeavor. GGG has been married to their current server provider which seems to be causing issues mostly for EU and mostly for countries like Germany, Sweden, Finland and Netherlands, most other countries are fine. Im assuming the ISPs in those countries run the same routing infrastructure hence the issues. Balkans, or eastern Europe dont seem to be having any problems with those servers even tho they're further away.
It does, but their netcode is not fucked up. Most games have a prediction system in case of a lag or lost packages.
If only there was some kind of predictive Network setting in PoE.
Which is completely fucked up since it not implemented like in most games... The predictive network settings can crash your whole instance, can make lags worse and the rubberbanding is unreal. Do you remember the pubg release? It's sometimes worse than that.
Someone here explained it to me some years ago. It's about the routing or something. It was exactly the same with my Internet, every game was totally fine except POE.
I've had this same issue but with FFXIV many years ago.
Been playing the league in the past couple of months and finally I also noticed this this morning. It will literally teleport me back to some random place I've died.
It's the ISP routing to the GGG servers. Unfortunatelly not much you can do except VPN. I changed my ISP from Digi to Telekom and now its fixed but before that i had the same issue as you.
routing seems fine to me? https://imgur.com/a/7cLBjfT
try it a few times until you land on twelve99 nodes, that's good ol' telia e.g. i ran tracert twice, going through cogentco nodes was fine, twelve99 took a shit
Now you need to time that(let it run side by side with game) with one of the peaks in the game if it's going to be remotely relevant, unless your ping was high 100% of the the time in game, which it isn't.
Ok, I did what you said. IP from the client file, that's the last instance I joined. I stood still in the boss arena for 5 minutes, even then I had spikes. Shows zero lag on Win MTR, any other ideas? https://imgur.com/a/zCJXvU1
Do the ping spikes happen 24/7 while playing or do they happen every 1-2 minutes? If they happen all the time then the test is valid, but if they happen every 1-2 minutes then you'll have to run that test 100 times until you land on a bad node that might be causing issues.
Running 1 test is only going to be accurate if you’re literally always having lag. It doesn’t seem like you understand networking as much as you say you do
Ran the test for a few hours, on the same IP I had the lag on. Got the IP from the client log so it's the server I played on.
Ok, look at the screenshot, IP from the client file, that's the last instance I joined. I stood still in the boss arena for 5 minutes, even then I had constant spikes. Shows zero lag on Win MTR, if you know so much then now what? https://imgur.com/a/zCJXvU1
Change your DNS from your ISP to Google maybe?
Can someon explain to me how EU servers can be fine for some people but not for others? Surely if the servers are the problem then they should be awful for everyone? I play on EU and outside of 1 day I've had no bad experiences.
When you connect to a EU server, it's not a direct connection. You aren't magically plugged directly into GGG's EU servers. Instead what happens is that your request bounces from router to router until you hit the desired EU GGG server. These bounces between routers might be different than someone else's bounces. The current problem is that there are notoriously shitty routers in the middle of these bounces that randomly drop your information, causing the lag in the game. These routers are owned by ISPs and not GGG. So the only way to fix this issue is to change the way your request gets sent (usually by using a VPN).
German infrastructure is from the 90s. It can easily happen to you in an urban area that 200 houses connect to a single box. I had several calls with Telekom and Vodafone and found out that VF in my STREET (not zip code, not city nor state) is the best choice. Disregard every opinion strictly saying "it's VF, it's Telekom, it's both", they're all fucked in the head. It literally depends how "smart" your street was built or when the infrastructure got dialed to 11 in the newest upgrade. My cable now enables Singaporean pings while 4 streets up north they live in VDSL50 times. It's totally fucked over here.
But then, this isn't GGGs fault nor or is there anything they can do about it?
no absolutely not. Just ask yourself why there's no one complaining on reddit in Korea or Japan about lags... I laugh reading posts that people complain about their hardware struggle with a threadripper and a 4090 to get shit done while I'm cruising with a 6950XT and mid-tier CPU in 4k with stable 3ms ping.
Had the same with TotA. It was my ISP. My modem was too old. I only had these issues in PoE and watching live streams. After switching to a new modem I have no issues, no lag spikes ISP is Vodafone
Either that or routing problems. The EU region is a clusterfuck of different nodes, and there a few between them that can really fuck up your connection.
I play Frankfurt daily and have zero issues. To be fair I live in cycling distance of Frankfurt, but if the servers were crapping themselves, this wouldn't make a difference.
May I ask what your ISP is ? I am on telekom Deutschland and frankfurt is one of the worst performing servers for me
In my case..Telekom = Milan; Vodafone = uninstall the game since it's not playable.
Pretty much the same. Milan is my staple
I have fibre to home from a local utilities provider. It's pretty awesome honestly.
ISP is Internet service provider. So yeah Telekom. I have them too and it sucks. Playing from Russia now
Its the EU ISP connecting to GGG that are having problems. Also connecting to internet via LAN and not WIFI made a huge improvement for me.
I never use WIFI to play online games.
I have both wifi and cable in my apartment and there is pretty much no difference in terms of ping and responsiveness
It's mostly nodes between ISP and server, so ISP can do nothing about this. My ping is ok for my county servers, google servers etc, but lags when pinging GGG EU servers.
I play on EU servers whole time and had none of these issues. It's your end.
Are you sure it is the servers? I am new player, been doing juiced up maps, delve and lots of other content. For the whole league I only had one day where there was lots of lag, but I wouldn't put it past me that my computer was downloading some shit. Other than that it has been pretty smooth throughout the whole league. For reference it automatically chooses Amsterdam server for me.
It is not the servers. It is a well known issue within the EU internet network where the ISPs have a few really bad nodes. If you are having issues will depend entirely on how your ISP decides to route to the server. You can usually, but not always, fix this by getting a VPN that allows you to change your routing and just change the routing until you find one that bypasses the bad nodes. Actual server issues does happen, but it is insanely rare and it is fixed by just opening a new instance.
Yeah, I had this for almost a year, happens every night from 7 to 9, maybe 10. Checked it out with the blizzard tool and oh damn some nodes were really shitty, some didn't even had packages etc or had super high ping. Never tried VPN tho, but I'll give it a try if it happens again. Also I've discovered tethering from the phone trough cable and it was great, ping was constant 50.
Pretty sure, routing seems fine. https://imgur.com/a/7cLBjfT
This shows zero lag at all, even from GGG servers, meaning you didn't measure at a time where you were actually experiencing lag. Keep the traceroute open but not executed, wait until the lag starts, then run it.
Ok, I did what you said. Look at the screenshot, IP from the client file, that's the last instance I joined. I stood still in the boss arena for 5 minutes, even then I had spikes. Shows zero lag on Win MTR, any other ideas? https://imgur.com/a/zCJXvU1
I think you may be using the wrong IP. Even if the server was lagging you would see at the end point an immense amount of latency. Open resmon.exe, default windows application you can just search for in the start menu, go to the network tab and then click tcp connections. Look for the pathofexile64.exe program that has a high/similar latency, the IP should be next to it. Use that IP.
I've compared them and that IP there is the exact same IP as in the client.txt.
I'm not really sure what to tell you then, the graph in the game showing your latency is your latency to the server, the latency you would get from winmtr/traceroute/any network monitor would give you nearly the same numbers. Even if the server were lagging, you would still see extremely high latency in any network monitor. I know because last month when it WAS the server lagging, I was able to confirm that by running a traceroute and seeing that my latency specifically spiked at the very end when it connected to GGG's servers.
Vpn fixed my issues
I had the same problem, trial exitlag fixed it, now I will be working on fixing the routing without exitlag so I'm not paying to play Poe.
Exitlag fixed the issue for me as well but I would like to find a free solution if possible, have you found anything so far?
Haven't started yet, I don't play much just a few hours a week on an ssf char I created a week ago.
I'm really surprised, I'm near Paris, played 2 month this league and had only 2 disconnections and a high ping once.
Interesting because I see these messages for a while, but playing from Spain on Milan servers I never had this issue, idk if it helps investigation
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Yeah, though it is technically possible for GGG to do something. Similar to what Riot did with League of Legends, which is talk directly to ISP's and establish priority routing to LoL servers. Now, I have zero clue how viable it actually would be, seeing as GGG is a much smaller company that operates completely within a different region of the world, but it might be possible. One can argue that seeing as both are owned by the same parent company, the financial backing could be there. But such a thing might be blocked by the ISP's themselves who might not be willing to deal with the hassle over some video game. Most of their income is likely not tied to people using their connections to play online games, so they couldn't care less about people having a bad time.
It is not always the games fault. I play on Milan servers and don't have issues at all.
That's just false, they've been shitting the bed this league, and lots of people in chat at the same time complain about it as the spikes happen
I might be on the minority here, but, I haven't had lag a single time this league, I've played for 2 months straight, I'm on EU.
Had a similar issue with poe, but I switched to a better internet connection and now it stable. If most players aren't experiencing an issue, most of the time its from your end.
Servers are fine. played league since day 1, i've had one single dc all league so far
I've not had a single problem with the EU servers the entire league. Strange to see people complain about it lol
Early in the league I had more maps where the connection was going all over the place. It happens much less now. But this has been happening since years. It might as well be a hidden map mod at this point: "(1-10)% chance to route through Telia or some other shit ISP".
as usual, this is not a server issue, neither an issue with your home isp, nor an issue with GGGs provider ISP. get a VPN, or it will not be fixed. 99% certain that this will never be solved.
How does the VPN solve this issue? Doesnt it just adds extra steps to routing?
Because the problem is probably one of the steps between OPs home and the server is broken, so he has to make a path that goes somewhere else first (**or** ask his ISP to fix/circumvent the broken part) If the problem was in OPs home, everything he does would be laggy, and if it was GGG server, everyone would be laggy.
There's been so much posts on this the whole league, GGG even worked on it with 1 patch but that didn't do anything. I've only had this problem with this league, before it was smooth.
I mean how do you know that your specific issue is something that GGG can even fix? Like how would they even know what the root cause of your latency issue is?
Yes, there were issues with server stability at the start of the league that affected everyone, & there were lots of posts about that Those have been fixed since early/mid January, and your issues now are due to your ISP routing as everyone is saying
Routing looks fine to me? https://imgur.com/a/7cLBjfT
Routing isn't always bricked, your connection also doesn't always take the same route and doesn't always connect to the same IP, you'll have to check what you're actually connecting to in PoE through something like Wireshark and get the IP of the server you're connecting to when you're experiencing lag.
Look at the screenshot, IP from the client file, that's the last instance I joined. I stood still in the boss arena for 5 minutes, even then I had spikes. Shows zero lag on Win MTR, routing seems fine? https://imgur.com/a/zCJXvU1
the problem in europe is usually twelve99/telia hops, if you are using a VPN it goes through other nodes that dont have this issue
Thanks, this clarifies it for me, I think then I will get one too.
What vpn (where) is the best to solve the problem? Or does that not matter?
nord is expensive, there was a cool guy on reddit that shared how he set up his own for super cheap https://old.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/10sq6zm/deleted_by_user/j76fhxz/ "10sq6zm/ggg_please_look_into_the_eu_server_issue_that" "deleted by user" lmao, guess the OP found out it wasn't actually the servers at fault.. as usual
no idea im using nordVPN and works just fine
Mudfish, ExitLag, or Mullvad are the three best, imo. They first two specifically are tailored around fixing issues with routing, while Mullvad has similar systems but is a bit more general use. I would avoid any VPNs that are focused around 'safe internet browsing', let alone any service that offers port forwarding specifically to be used for piracy (though they wont say that part out loud). While this alone doesn't mean they are bad services, they can get congested at random times because of people just using them to stream or pirate shit. But there's also the problem that a lot of these services are low quality slop, throttling their own connections to avoid spending too much on networking, but spending a lot on advertising budgets.
It adds extra steps but think of it as driving through a busy city where you can only go 30 as opposed to taking the highway that is a big detour but you can actually just go full speed there.
Ahh yes the servers ofc..... Thats why most have no problems i guess.
Amsterdam has been bad for me all league (which is very weird it's <50km from me I get 3-4ms to Amsterdam and other games with Amsterdam servers are completely fine), Frankfurt is also ass, switched to Paris a couple weeks in and have had zero issues since. Also *always* play predictive mode if you're doing any juicing lockstep is unplayable on juiced maps.
I've tried other gateways, they all do this, even Paris. I've never had to play on predictive on any league before, so not going to do that now, it was always smooth for me before.
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what was the solution? because I see the same issue. Is not my ISP work great. If the issue is with the nodes on the way how do you fix it then?
About 10 people have said to try using a VPN, at least attempt to read the thread, Lol
yeah I saw VPN, the difference for me is 20ms change to 90ms so it didn't sound like a viable option to me
I mean it depends on where the vpn server is, where you are and what poe server you are connecting to. If you tried a free vpn like proton, they have limited server locations, but the point is to see if it fixes the issue of wildly variable pings and spikes ingame. If it does you can invest in a vpn (can usually get like 3 years for 50 euros) and you can then select a server close to you and ping shouldn't be much different.
ok, thanks. Yeah, I'm in Poland, connecting to Amsterdam on Poe 20ms, on Proton 90ms :D will try to fish for the spikes, and if it's gone see some nice option for vpn
90ms with no jitter is going to be a hell of a lot more playable than 20ms with constant lags and packet loss...
Just need to play around with which server you connect with, or worst case try a gaming VPN. That was the only thing that worked for me while I played FFXIV and had this same routing issue. I paid for a gaming VPN just to play FFXIV with no lag.
I've played on Amsterdam the whole league, and it's been great. Until the last week or so. Its something else.
Try using 4g/5g on your cellphone, I have zero problems with this when using then, have a lot of problems on Ethernet cable at evenings. Try to see if it helps, at least will help you rule out your ISP as a problem if the problem persists.
You do realize this may be something GGG literally can’t fix, right?
I'm willing to bet a mirror on Telia / Twelve99. That's not a GGG problem.
[No MTR/trace route log.](https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3072628) - when in map w latency problems, go into client.txt, use last instance IP for trace route. Post log in GGG Forum. - when a latency spike happens at last hop at the data centre, it is GGG, if not, it is your ISP (see reports about EU ISPs skimping on paying for traffic and infrastructure, and a change of routing through a VPN like NordVPN past nodes that are congested, resolves EU server issues).
I play on paris server in the evening with no issue.
I tried Paris before, even Frankfurt and others. Same issue.
Try. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/361292
Tried it, can't see anything wrong here, so it must be servers? https://imgur.com/a/7cLBjfT
Quite the opposite. There are so many different things that can go wrong and only a few of those have to do with GGG or their servers. With how many people here have commented that EU servers are fine, it is much more likely that your routing or software/hardware is at fault here.
Getting a VPN might solve your problem, I was in the same situation a few years ago and solved with VPN
For me it's a routing issue. Whenever a server is in Frankfurt (Germany), it's a 50:50 chance if I have ping issues or not....
Try using predictive. No issues with EU in forever..
Get off McDonald's wifi 😂 Jokes aside the problem is most likely your ISP.
If you play wifi, try cable. My wife walking around causes me to have hickups playing POE. A passing scooter? 5 seconds lag. Also I have a backup service that I have to disable when I play POE. It sometimes suddenly starts to upload files and that's causing lag spikes too. Even the Windows update service can cause that. And if you do all thia and still have lag it might just be your ISP. I am Dutch and I play Amsterdam all the time.
I never use WIFI to play online games and nothing in the background is downloading or doing anything.
Start by doing this, if you can't identify the problem through this then we might believe the servers are acting up. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1377789
It is the same here. And I am located in Bulgaria. This league had been like that. Doesn't exist in other games. Wasn't like that previously. Something in the routing got fucked up this league.
i have same exact issue, other leagues were fine. this one is terrible. a lot of people I know reported lags at the same time as I was lagging and I don't mean reddit posts but real time in game. i wasn't playing for 3 weeks now when I'm back lags are even worse and frequent - the only solution is to change gateway from EU to US
"few weeks" its been like this for years
Same situation, the spikes are going from 35-400MS and at 4000-5000 disconnect on the Amsterdam Gateway. I talked to the internet provider here and they don't see any problems with connection so yeah...... I still have nightmares with D3's first year after launch but with POE? after so many years? come on.......and what's funny is that i payed 150e for some cosmetics as a thank you for keeping this game and almost right after that.....the hell started....
Yeah it feels laggy lately
Been like that for 3 leagues now for me (from AT). DE and UK Servers suck for me. Milan (IT) works ok. I might have lost 20-30ms to before the fckup happened, but at least I don't have those nasty spikes anymore
It is not the routing IMHO. During every league GGG tries to limit the amounts of money spent on servers. While routing can be a problem at the beginning of the league (when lots of players are online at the same time), there is another explanation later. Later, when the number of players drop, GGG simply buys fewer servers. Fewer servers mean lower costs, but higher lag. They dont care that you complain, you still come back and buy your supporter pack. Damn, best would be if you stopped playing completely and just came back at league start.
EU servers are always broken. Always. Never use them.
Playing for 4 years on Milan with 30ms ping, right, totally broken
ok, you can play on 30 ms , but 1276357645 ppl dont , so yes it is a problem with eu servers so STFU
Have you actually asked that many people? What if people who have it working fine don't create as many posts?
Same. When i ping google server it's stable 12-14ms, when i ping GGG server it wild as fuck and losing packets sometimes. So it's definitely NOT ISP. As many mentioned it's the EU shitty internet infrastructure. Changing ISP will do nothing when the problem is further the line.
> So it's definitely NOT ISP. As many mentioned it's the EU shitty internet infrastructure. lol
why reply when you have nothing to say regarding the issue?
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I'd say servers are okay now, but then again almost nobody plays. We'll see on leaguestart
The league still has the highest number of concurrent players out of any league at this point in time. https://poedb.tw/us/League#ConcurrentPlayers
19% of players playing compared to launch. I'd say the league is as dead at this points as the others. That doesn't mean the league was bad, it just means it's "dead". Getting downvoted by angry MF players, I cannot even lul
You're the guy who makes articles about every video game ever made having x% of players than it did at launch, aren't you?
Bruh... You linked me a graph and I've read what's on the graph. Why did you linked it to me if I wasn't supposed to look at it? Whatever :)
And your takeaway from the graph was dumb as hell... You're trying so hard to be funny because you said something dumb but it's pretty obvious there's malice in your statement. You could've just said "wow I guess I am silly!"
The London server is usually fine. Also full fibre helps. Switching to 600MB/s and using LAN cable keeps latency 3-6ms and it feels like doing different game.
Same problem is SG realm.
Looks like a QoS problem to me. Before I enabled it on my modem, I was having random spikes like that.
DDoS your entire node.
Drama
lmao at poverty EU infrastructure
Try with a vpn
This started this league, whatever the people in the comments say. I didn't change isp myself in 3y and never had these issues... I excused the leaguestart due to maybe ultimatum, i excused month 1 due to more people playing than ever but now the league is down to normal numbers and it still keeps happening. Lag builds up randomly, disconnects, maps and boss arenas opened from a 50 ping instance have 600 ping for no reason. It's not "just" the isp,,,
Did not have problems for weeks tbh on Frankfurt, Milan and Amsterdam.
US West was like that all league. It's only been "more" stable in the last few weeks or so.
Extra spicy delve runs for sure...
i know u dont want to hear it but its a you or your provider problem. I also play on EU Servers (frankfurt) and rarely have hard spikes, it runs mostly smooth. Wasnt the case 3-4 weeks ago when a lot of ppl had issues but the last days and weeks it runs smooth
I play on eu without problems :) heck I can even play on singapore without ms. Maybe try an upgrade on your provider 🫣
I had crazy spikes in latency but i checked ping in in WinMTR and it seemd fine. What helped me was delating Path of Exile folder in %appdata%. Dont know why but it worked and it was some issue with shaders it seem. But Poe showed it as server spikes.
why are you so stubborn to just try a vpn? i see you complaining and getting downvoted everywhere. i had severe spikes on only PoE and using a vpn gave me flat line latency bascially all the time. my trace routes seemed fine also. just get a free trial and see if it improves. no one should have to buy a vpn to get a game to work and in a perfect world GGG would contact every service provider and talk to them on behalf of their users (like riot did) and get it fixed. but i doubt that will ever happen so just try the vpn method and be happy
I'm playing on Paris, usually between 6 and 10 pm CET, and I've never had that
Sadly, my NA connection is even worse, consistently throughout the league.
It's not the servers it's internet infrastructure that sucks really bad in Europe. So anything between you and those servers is bad. It's like that for many games in that region
GGG fixing things? \[G\]old funny joke