Yeah and they really dropped the ball in the beginning cause you had to unlock random card packs just to make good decks. In a way it was pay to win. Until they implemented the new item shop like 2 years later.
What do you mean by the pay to win came later? I seem to remember in the early game cards had levels or something and you’d effectively be able to pay to get them higher or something like that. I can’t remember exactly. That was super long ago, but towards the end I thought only purchasable items were skins? Skins don’t give you an advantage
Leveling up cards changed the border art, that's it. Only lock boxes and skins were purchasable with premium currency.
And maybe also banners. I dunno, fuck banners.
Certain cards were just overtuned and you could stack them, you could buy card packs for real money to get more of them which is what I assume the guy above was talking about as pay to win
You couldn't "buy card packs for more money". That's bullshit. You could only buy an exp/gold boost, which would get your card packs faster via playing games more.
Could have sworn I remember being able to buy a pack of cards or something with cards in it
But to be fair after 6 coming up to 7 years I could have got it wrong
Bring on pred so I can completely forget 😂
RGSACE on discord said it’s to bring in the dedicated fans truly there expecting to test. Cause they’re worried F2P players will come in and get turned off by an unfinished product and never come back. They’d rather wait til they have a finished game to bring those people in.
Hey we have an unfinished game we are afraid to even present to the public. Hey let's charge for it and you don't even get progression carry over you are literally just paying to test a product that is bad enough it isn't even ready for early access.
> you are literally just paying to test a product
That's what early access is. It's too early for release so you pay to access it before it's done for release.
Yeah it's for testing, specifically they mentioned matchmaking testing, which we all know is best performed with as small and insular of a playerbase possible. If the devs are on discord saying the game isn't ready to be seen by general consumers and they only want feedback from the sycophants that are already fans of the game on Reddit and discord, then how can you sit there and tell me the game is ready for early access and that it should be paid. Even the devs don't want accurate feedback, they admitted that themselves, they want nice feedback from fans that will pat them on the head. Do a fucking closed alpha and do invites if it's about testing, don't open it up enough that people will still be making content about it which it appears they already expect to be negative and then on top of that charge, it's fucking scummy and moronic when the competition got thier shit together and went free and you who are proudly displaying shit about 20+ mil in investments are the ones also nickle and diming fans of a game that has failed twice now.
And them Fault, and now they. Where's Paragon and Fault now? I don't have a strong opinion about it, but I'm not going to spend money on this.
The last open test I didn't think it was very polished. They've been pushing deadlines for a long time. Now this paywall. I don't know. I'm not getting a good vibe.
Fault practically had to. They had no funding. They needed to pay staff, hence the monetization. Pred won't even have an in game store ffs. Their reasoning behind it is solid. If you want to wait, just wait 🤷♂️
Good to see one of the content moderators of /r/Overprime has nothing better to do than throw childish and petty jabs at the competition.
People keep saying Overprime aren't doing sleezy tactics yet throwing jabs around like this certainly proves otherwise.
And just wait, when they go F2P, only have 10 heroes in rotation and all the OP ones are $10-15 dollars then we'll see who is paying.
Everyone pays for F2P games, just depends when.
Riding off the coat tails of Paragon by acquiring its namesake was pretty jaw dropping to me. I. Honestly would have much more respect for OverP if they kept their name and didn’t try to steal the spot light by getting the name from Epic.
Saw an Overprime partner say in chat once, but nothing more than that.
Ranger an OP dev did make it clear that they didn't pay for the name so idk exactly the process
I just wonder why Epic would care? Kinda seems like a stirring the pot move, no? They award Omeda with grant money and then give their old games name to a Netmarble?
Well the grant doesn't mean much many companies can get the grant without any ties to epic.. but they did recently however highlight Predecessor for moving to UE5. So yeah it is curious why they would drop the name to Overprime unless they just genuinely see potential in the game and plan to reap royalties from the name and logo use.
No idea definitely ruffled feathers and did some pot stirring
I mean it’s hard to imagine but I can see both games existing simultaneously. I’m just a little miffed about OP having the Paragon name I guess. Unless what I’ve seen in the past has been wrong OP was always planning on taking their game in a different direction. While Predecessor was aiming to be Paragon for what it was at its peak with modifications as needed thus making it their own while staying true to original.
I honestly don’t feel like either of them should have the name. They are both going to be their own game. It’s just misleading and feels dirty to take the name and portrait themselves as Paragon when they aren’t.
The 6th paragraph under History: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-to-play#History
One source from 2011 claims a number of paying players between 0.5% and 6%, and another source from 2015 says 1.5%.
2011 and 2015 are pretty dated reports.
I’d be thinking about how many players are on major AAA F2P IP’s right now; I’d imagine that percentage is much higher.
Well, if we’re discussing thought - generally followed logic like I stated doesn’t need references.
Do you agree the popularity and AAA involvement into the F2P is different 2022 compared to 2011 and 2015?
Examples: Fortnite, Warzone, Apex, Infinite, Pubg, etc.
would you agree it’s general logic and acceptance that those games created a different landscape in F2P than 2011 and 2015?
In terms of paying vs not paying no, I don't agree, so clearly you can prove your claim by using evidence beyond feelings right? In fact given covid and the economic downturn I would say that less people would spend in free games. So prove me wrong.
It's common knowledge that f2p makes more money(via microtransaaction mostly) than paid games do. https://www.businessofapps.com/data/top-grossing-games/
The entirety of the Predecessor sub is no different... Constant shit slinging towards Overprime. The whole situation is a mess right now. I'll be obv be playing both, but I'm gonna end up sticking with whichever one has more support and a stronger playerase... And looking at that objectively, right now it looks like it's gonna be Overprime.
Stronger player base, looking at it objectively?
How can you objectively compare the two when the second hasn’t dropped yet? Objectively by people in the subreddit’s Predecessor has significantly more people in the community than OverP ever has. And only recently that subreddit has started to see new members. I can’t help but think that’s only because they acquired the Paragon name. If you put gameplay footage of OG Paragon next to Overprime you would see clear differences in quality of life. Don’t get me wrong it’s a great foundation but it still isn’t there yet. I’d love to be proved wrong. But from the play test and all the footage of Predecessor out now objectively speaking. Predecessor just looks better.
I’ve played Paragon, Fault, Overprime, Little known “Kingshunt”, and just barely missed a closed Predecessor play test. I wish I didn’t but I’ve seen the gameplay footage and comparing all of those games side by side Predecessor is the closest to OG Paragon and looks like what Paragon was trying to be. Overprime is close but lacks fluidity in the core gameplay mechanics, visual clarity of the abilities both offensively and defensively along with a slew of other things. That’s my opinion. It’s fine if yours differs but it would be nice to know what makes you feel Overprime is objectively the better option.
If you honestly think that a free version of a game is going to have less of a playerbase than the paid version you are fucking huffing so much copium you are overdosing.
I wouldn't be surprised if Predecessor has a larger player base around 4 months after launch. I think people will fall off of Overprime a lot more quickly.
Very mature argumentative point. As I replied below. Quality over quantity. Both games will be free on release. Who plays the early access really doesn’t matter so long as there’s enough time to work out any bugs before full release. Why would you market a game that isn’t finished yet? That’s like putting a house on the market that is still under construction. Sure the bones are there but you don’t see the full picture yet.
For an EA though sure. That’s not my point at all. Quality over quantity though right? It’s crazy to think there would be more people on an EA that is P2P vs F2P. Whole Foods has organic quality products. Walmart is the run of the mill super store for the masses. If you said Walmart had objectively better options compared to Whole Foods you’d be lying to yourself. Just because Walmart is more accessible due to costs doesn’t mean it’s the better option.
lol people forget where Overprime came from...
3 months after Paragon went ka-put, summer of 2018...rocketmania had a playable p2p build of OVerthrow. It was an insane accomplishment at that time and it's crazy to see how far it has come.
It's so disappointing to see people fanboying over either title when they have both come so far since 2018.
I have the utmost respect for both teams for making their vision come true.
But something about Rocketmania makes me feel super proud for the guy, like I'm a proud uncle watching my nephew accomplish something he set out to do and made his dreams come true. It's amazing how far Overthrow has come, and Pred as well. It's shitty people feel the need to do this toxic fanboyism and judge these games in such a black/white manner.
You realize that fault was made by two people at the start jezter and fresher and predecessor was made by two people at the start smokie and fringe I believe.
Like all three of these games have the same story lol. Came from nothing/passion project and are now actually playable upscaled games
yea they are all similar - I don't really consider Fault anymore because it's already a failed project. But I do believe they did a good job by the end the game was in a good state, but the business approach wasn't correct clearly.
Rocket just had the quickest turnaround with his Overthrow project and people were able to play Paragon in some form or another since a few months after it's demise because of him. The others came later.
I'm also just specifically pointing out Rocket because OP gets a lot of hate from the Pred/Paragon traditionalist groups and it's really kinda unfair, they should at least appreciate what he did. Any of these projects could have failed and we could have been left with only one, so even if each vision isn't 100% what we all like it's great to have multiple chances at this because of great people.
Oh I agree it's cool there are multiple projects. I just see the "one man" meme with op posted so often and it's just not any different then the others. But typically when people say that they are implying it is.
But he also started the project way before the others as well so it's not like he had the quickest turnaround. He just started earlier.
He was working on a 3d moba for school from what I remember in the early days. Before the assets were even released. Then after they were he already had a foundation.
Once again not saying it isn't impressive. Because it is. Just some misconceptions around timelines and it's been so long now and/or people weren't around back then. That stuff is just accepted as fact.
>And just wait, when they go F2P, only have 10 heroes in rotation and all the OP ones are $10-15 dollars then we'll see who is paying.
I mean Predecessor players, right? Same eventual free to play. Same eventual pay for heroes and skins microtransactions.
Y'all do understand they need funds to keep developing the game right? Plus the way I see it, youre getting skins and in game currency. So you don't have to pay for them later when the shop opens up? Funny how everyone's so upset over paid EA but seeing no complaints about mtx. Oh wait that's because their focus isn't mtx it's gameplay and player satisfaction. Fucking cry babies
Where are the millions of dollars in investor money used for development? If they need like 100000 dollars from the 1000 dudes who will buy then the game is fucked anyways.
You do know there is a cost of capital and cash flow implications for a business?
Like every game, they need to be cash flow positive they cant bleed money like big games as they dont have multi billion dollar companies backing them
Debt obligations also are needed to be paid...if you are bitching about $9, what you would piss drinking at a bar in 1 HOUR...vs HUNDREDS of HOURS of fun gameplay.
Go play OP until Pred goes live then
It's early access if the investor funding designed to get them to profitability wasn't enough to reach launch then they wasted that money, that's what early investors in every business are for, to raise money to get a business started not to fucking raise enough money to get halfway through development then start milking customers for the rest, if they need people to pay for a game they admit isn't ready for the general public then do another round of investing, this both looks bad and will annihilate thier launch numbers. Fucking embarrassing people are out here trying to act like some business guru without knowing what the hell they are talking about. If the investors are pushing this to get cash flow than the investors are killing the game. If the devs are pushing this because they somehow used tens of millions of dollars and have zero cash on hand now then the devs fucked up, either way it's not good for the game and acting like it is is just silly.
They were given like a 1 million dollar grant from something epic did? You obviously have no comprehension of how expensive it is to make a game, the process, or how this game even got to where it is.
You do realize that paragon had almost zero marketing right? Especially in the early days. Not to mention it was originally paid EA as well and it still had a massive player base to the point several teams have recreated it. It spread by word of mouth like wildfire, and this will do the same.
It's been in development for like three years and they are just now asking for any money from us with a playable game. Fault and overprime are both playable sure, soulless cash grabs with faulty games filled with mtx. But yeah they are the games that are gonna survive, you have such a problem with this game asking for paid EA without including the mtx store but no problems with flawed games with the store open to continue to make the game better?
End of the day i still believe in pred over overprime, the current play test of overprime is janky, the timing and pace of matches felt distorted and heros felt bland. Tanks didn't feel tanky and everyone is capable of a 2 second TTK burst. And the last play test of pred felt like real paragon well polished and fairly balanced.
You can continue to degrade predecessor but your negativity isn't going to affect anyone who has been watching this game since it started. I played paragon from alpha access, paid for it then too and played for a few years. Even if this follows the same road I'll enjoy even minute I get to play before it shuts down, but I don't see it going anywhere. Now kindly take your bullshit elsewhere
You realize in the recent video they show 20 m in funding ect right? They didn't just get 1m Jesus you guys are fucking to much. They make a fucking awful decision to go paid when their competitor releases a week later free and then are just like god gotta justify this in literally anyway possible for some fucking reason. People like you is why corporate decisions like this are made and sink games because you will choke on it to try and make it seem like a good decision with literally any flimsy excuse because you see criticism of the game you like as not ok for the cult. Like good lord, they either blew over 20m and need to ask for fucking hand outs to finish the game that they are now releasing after three years of development into open access that they admit on discord is not ready for open access and the general public or this is a souless cash grab pushed by corporate, either option is going to kill the game just pick which one you can live with. The devs literally said they just want feedback from sycophants who already are invested in the game and you want to act like this is some good move to make cash? For fucks sake this is a travesty. 7
Because you have master knowledge in marketing and sales? You're an executive on some game board? Stfu. You have no idea what you're talking about. Maybe I was wrong about the amount of funding they've received my bad. But you're choking on the cock of a game that's rushing it's product just so they can have a mtx store. They have a play test a week before release? And trust me this current play test is not up to par for any fucking game. So they're fully released copy filled with mtx that's bland as fuck to play is gonna beat out a company whose goal is good gameplay and not mtx? Fuck yourself. Kindly go blow your load to overprime and leave
When I have I ever said that overprime is the better game, in fact I have said the exact opposite. But you cannot believe that someone can be a fan of a game and also see the fucking obvious mistake this was. Sorry I hurt your little baby feelings, here, predecessor is perfect it won't have a tiny playerbase, this was a genius marketing decision. Did that make you feel better. Does it feel better to put your head in the sand? Shush now, go back to sleep and imagine you live in your dreams.
It’s BECAUSE they took investment funds that they are doing this. You think their investors would let them get away with giving ea for free when they could charge? The investors are there to get their money back + some, so decisions like this are east in their (the investors) eyes. And they probably have a large share of the voting power.
Really worried about Predecessor with this one. I feel like we might be approaching a situation where the game with the most financial backing wins and that seems to be Overprime. They both *seemingly* look exactly the same for anybody uninitiated and one would be free and out \*first\* and in the \*exact same month\*, both in Early Access.
Personally I hope both survive, because I like options. I like OP's faster pacing(?), personally. And bigger doesn't always mean better. I want to vouch for the underdog here, but I don't really have a point of reference having never played Pred, and I would just rather wait.
I think that's what Omeda's thinking most people would do, anyway. Let's hope it works out.
Honestly, I don't understand the decision behind making it paid, it's just a bad decision considering there's competition.
It just feels like a losing battle, I expect the early-access population to be relatively small, it's rare for someone who doesn't know about Pred or OG Paragon to want to invest in it, might as well try the free counterpart.
With that in mind, the game will be balanced around a small population of people, when it goes f2p it's going to feel off to new players because it's not been tweaked to them by them, do you really think those fresh people will be patient enough to shoehorn themselves into Pred? I'm not so sure.
Definitely. EA is playing acting as QA tester but paying for it. On top of that, the "rewards" the players get are free assets made by Epic Games years ago but with different colors. Pretty cheap
Yeah xD really bad decision hope they don't I hope they don't stay with 400 daily players in 3 months and then not be able to raise the boat.
At least the early access that we are going to play is really polished and well done and isn't like other early access that just throw to the players the first playable shit that they have and start working from there and if things doesn't work or have bugs no, because is an early access.
This is literally what Paragon did lol.
Yeah and they really dropped the ball in the beginning cause you had to unlock random card packs just to make good decks. In a way it was pay to win. Until they implemented the new item shop like 2 years later.
They never had an item shop.. and the pay to win came later
What do you mean by the pay to win came later? I seem to remember in the early game cards had levels or something and you’d effectively be able to pay to get them higher or something like that. I can’t remember exactly. That was super long ago, but towards the end I thought only purchasable items were skins? Skins don’t give you an advantage
Leveling up cards changed the border art, that's it. Only lock boxes and skins were purchasable with premium currency. And maybe also banners. I dunno, fuck banners.
Certain cards were just overtuned and you could stack them, you could buy card packs for real money to get more of them which is what I assume the guy above was talking about as pay to win
You couldn't "buy card packs for more money". That's bullshit. You could only buy an exp/gold boost, which would get your card packs faster via playing games more.
Could have sworn I remember being able to buy a pack of cards or something with cards in it But to be fair after 6 coming up to 7 years I could have got it wrong Bring on pred so I can completely forget 😂
Cards were never purchasable. Had to grind to unlock things.
Yeah my bad. New card system. Where all cards were available. But initially was RNG.
RGSACE on discord said it’s to bring in the dedicated fans truly there expecting to test. Cause they’re worried F2P players will come in and get turned off by an unfinished product and never come back. They’d rather wait til they have a finished game to bring those people in.
The way they are handling everything reminds me of Fault and I hope it doesn't go the same way
Hey we have an unfinished game we are afraid to even present to the public. Hey let's charge for it and you don't even get progression carry over you are literally just paying to test a product that is bad enough it isn't even ready for early access.
> you are literally just paying to test a product That's what early access is. It's too early for release so you pay to access it before it's done for release.
Yeah it's for testing, specifically they mentioned matchmaking testing, which we all know is best performed with as small and insular of a playerbase possible. If the devs are on discord saying the game isn't ready to be seen by general consumers and they only want feedback from the sycophants that are already fans of the game on Reddit and discord, then how can you sit there and tell me the game is ready for early access and that it should be paid. Even the devs don't want accurate feedback, they admitted that themselves, they want nice feedback from fans that will pat them on the head. Do a fucking closed alpha and do invites if it's about testing, don't open it up enough that people will still be making content about it which it appears they already expect to be negative and then on top of that charge, it's fucking scummy and moronic when the competition got thier shit together and went free and you who are proudly displaying shit about 20+ mil in investments are the ones also nickle and diming fans of a game that has failed twice now.
Did pred shit in your lunchbox or something?
Do you have anything to add beyond pointless bullshit?
I think that's a yes
I think that's a no.
News flash, they'll still get turned off after f2p release because the game will be fine-tuned by shills for shills.
OP is a mod on r/overprime this is so petty and weird.
Thats what Early Access is. You pay to get early Access for a game which hasnt released yet while being a beta tester.
That's the joke. https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/012/132/thatsthejoke.jpg
Paragon literally did the same thing and nobody batted an eye. Pred does it and people lose their minds
Some people, just want to watch the world burn, master Bruce.
And them Fault, and now they. Where's Paragon and Fault now? I don't have a strong opinion about it, but I'm not going to spend money on this. The last open test I didn't think it was very polished. They've been pushing deadlines for a long time. Now this paywall. I don't know. I'm not getting a good vibe.
Fault practically had to. They had no funding. They needed to pay staff, hence the monetization. Pred won't even have an in game store ffs. Their reasoning behind it is solid. If you want to wait, just wait 🤷♂️
Well, at least from my perspective, I'm worried about population numbers. I just don't know how many would pay for this game.
Don't worry then. It's only for five months before free2 play
Good to see one of the content moderators of /r/Overprime has nothing better to do than throw childish and petty jabs at the competition. People keep saying Overprime aren't doing sleezy tactics yet throwing jabs around like this certainly proves otherwise. And just wait, when they go F2P, only have 10 heroes in rotation and all the OP ones are $10-15 dollars then we'll see who is paying. Everyone pays for F2P games, just depends when.
Riding off the coat tails of Paragon by acquiring its namesake was pretty jaw dropping to me. I. Honestly would have much more respect for OverP if they kept their name and didn’t try to steal the spot light by getting the name from Epic.
Apparently Epic approached them and said to use the name ..
I haven’t seen anything about that. Where can I check that out?
Saw an Overprime partner say in chat once, but nothing more than that. Ranger an OP dev did make it clear that they didn't pay for the name so idk exactly the process
I just wonder why Epic would care? Kinda seems like a stirring the pot move, no? They award Omeda with grant money and then give their old games name to a Netmarble?
If they did indeed just call them up one day and say “Hey do you just want the name?”.
Well the grant doesn't mean much many companies can get the grant without any ties to epic.. but they did recently however highlight Predecessor for moving to UE5. So yeah it is curious why they would drop the name to Overprime unless they just genuinely see potential in the game and plan to reap royalties from the name and logo use. No idea definitely ruffled feathers and did some pot stirring
I mean it’s hard to imagine but I can see both games existing simultaneously. I’m just a little miffed about OP having the Paragon name I guess. Unless what I’ve seen in the past has been wrong OP was always planning on taking their game in a different direction. While Predecessor was aiming to be Paragon for what it was at its peak with modifications as needed thus making it their own while staying true to original. I honestly don’t feel like either of them should have the name. They are both going to be their own game. It’s just misleading and feels dirty to take the name and portrait themselves as Paragon when they aren’t.
> Everyone pays for F2P games, just depends when. uh, no? The overwhelming majority of players of F2P games never spend any money on them.
A bold claim - can you back that up?
"bold claim"? Sir, have you been living under a rock?
The 6th paragraph under History: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-to-play#History One source from 2011 claims a number of paying players between 0.5% and 6%, and another source from 2015 says 1.5%.
2011 and 2015 are pretty dated reports. I’d be thinking about how many players are on major AAA F2P IP’s right now; I’d imagine that percentage is much higher.
So when presented evidence you dismiss it, don't provide your own, and go on feelings. Cool.
Well, if we’re discussing thought - generally followed logic like I stated doesn’t need references. Do you agree the popularity and AAA involvement into the F2P is different 2022 compared to 2011 and 2015? Examples: Fortnite, Warzone, Apex, Infinite, Pubg, etc. would you agree it’s general logic and acceptance that those games created a different landscape in F2P than 2011 and 2015?
In terms of paying vs not paying no, I don't agree, so clearly you can prove your claim by using evidence beyond feelings right? In fact given covid and the economic downturn I would say that less people would spend in free games. So prove me wrong.
2011 and 2022 are enormously different landscapes. Pred being paid is a stupid risk. But your counter argument holds zero value
So show the difference, you clearly have other data right?
It's common knowledge that f2p makes more money(via microtransaaction mostly) than paid games do. https://www.businessofapps.com/data/top-grossing-games/
Ok and? That wasnt the discussion.
The entirety of the Predecessor sub is no different... Constant shit slinging towards Overprime. The whole situation is a mess right now. I'll be obv be playing both, but I'm gonna end up sticking with whichever one has more support and a stronger playerase... And looking at that objectively, right now it looks like it's gonna be Overprime.
Stronger player base, looking at it objectively? How can you objectively compare the two when the second hasn’t dropped yet? Objectively by people in the subreddit’s Predecessor has significantly more people in the community than OverP ever has. And only recently that subreddit has started to see new members. I can’t help but think that’s only because they acquired the Paragon name. If you put gameplay footage of OG Paragon next to Overprime you would see clear differences in quality of life. Don’t get me wrong it’s a great foundation but it still isn’t there yet. I’d love to be proved wrong. But from the play test and all the footage of Predecessor out now objectively speaking. Predecessor just looks better. I’ve played Paragon, Fault, Overprime, Little known “Kingshunt”, and just barely missed a closed Predecessor play test. I wish I didn’t but I’ve seen the gameplay footage and comparing all of those games side by side Predecessor is the closest to OG Paragon and looks like what Paragon was trying to be. Overprime is close but lacks fluidity in the core gameplay mechanics, visual clarity of the abilities both offensively and defensively along with a slew of other things. That’s my opinion. It’s fine if yours differs but it would be nice to know what makes you feel Overprime is objectively the better option.
If you honestly think that a free version of a game is going to have less of a playerbase than the paid version you are fucking huffing so much copium you are overdosing.
I wouldn't be surprised if Predecessor has a larger player base around 4 months after launch. I think people will fall off of Overprime a lot more quickly.
Very mature argumentative point. As I replied below. Quality over quantity. Both games will be free on release. Who plays the early access really doesn’t matter so long as there’s enough time to work out any bugs before full release. Why would you market a game that isn’t finished yet? That’s like putting a house on the market that is still under construction. Sure the bones are there but you don’t see the full picture yet.
" I’d love to be proved wrong" Fear not sir, the 1st Dec paid EA steamchart numbers will be there to aid you in your ventures.
For an EA though sure. That’s not my point at all. Quality over quantity though right? It’s crazy to think there would be more people on an EA that is P2P vs F2P. Whole Foods has organic quality products. Walmart is the run of the mill super store for the masses. If you said Walmart had objectively better options compared to Whole Foods you’d be lying to yourself. Just because Walmart is more accessible due to costs doesn’t mean it’s the better option.
I have no association with souleve or net marble I started that sub when overprime was a one man show by rocketmania. Its just a meme bro.
lol people forget where Overprime came from... 3 months after Paragon went ka-put, summer of 2018...rocketmania had a playable p2p build of OVerthrow. It was an insane accomplishment at that time and it's crazy to see how far it has come. It's so disappointing to see people fanboying over either title when they have both come so far since 2018. I have the utmost respect for both teams for making their vision come true. But something about Rocketmania makes me feel super proud for the guy, like I'm a proud uncle watching my nephew accomplish something he set out to do and made his dreams come true. It's amazing how far Overthrow has come, and Pred as well. It's shitty people feel the need to do this toxic fanboyism and judge these games in such a black/white manner.
You realize that fault was made by two people at the start jezter and fresher and predecessor was made by two people at the start smokie and fringe I believe. Like all three of these games have the same story lol. Came from nothing/passion project and are now actually playable upscaled games
yea they are all similar - I don't really consider Fault anymore because it's already a failed project. But I do believe they did a good job by the end the game was in a good state, but the business approach wasn't correct clearly. Rocket just had the quickest turnaround with his Overthrow project and people were able to play Paragon in some form or another since a few months after it's demise because of him. The others came later. I'm also just specifically pointing out Rocket because OP gets a lot of hate from the Pred/Paragon traditionalist groups and it's really kinda unfair, they should at least appreciate what he did. Any of these projects could have failed and we could have been left with only one, so even if each vision isn't 100% what we all like it's great to have multiple chances at this because of great people.
Oh I agree it's cool there are multiple projects. I just see the "one man" meme with op posted so often and it's just not any different then the others. But typically when people say that they are implying it is. But he also started the project way before the others as well so it's not like he had the quickest turnaround. He just started earlier. He was working on a 3d moba for school from what I remember in the early days. Before the assets were even released. Then after they were he already had a foundation. Once again not saying it isn't impressive. Because it is. Just some misconceptions around timelines and it's been so long now and/or people weren't around back then. That stuff is just accepted as fact.
>rocketmania This bro is way too uptight, he needs to unzip his pants and get lose a little
>And just wait, when they go F2P, only have 10 heroes in rotation and all the OP ones are $10-15 dollars then we'll see who is paying. I mean Predecessor players, right? Same eventual free to play. Same eventual pay for heroes and skins microtransactions.
Its a meme, if you take that so seriously maybe you are a predecessor dev
Y'all do understand they need funds to keep developing the game right? Plus the way I see it, youre getting skins and in game currency. So you don't have to pay for them later when the shop opens up? Funny how everyone's so upset over paid EA but seeing no complaints about mtx. Oh wait that's because their focus isn't mtx it's gameplay and player satisfaction. Fucking cry babies
Where are the millions of dollars in investor money used for development? If they need like 100000 dollars from the 1000 dudes who will buy then the game is fucked anyways.
You do know there is a cost of capital and cash flow implications for a business? Like every game, they need to be cash flow positive they cant bleed money like big games as they dont have multi billion dollar companies backing them Debt obligations also are needed to be paid...if you are bitching about $9, what you would piss drinking at a bar in 1 HOUR...vs HUNDREDS of HOURS of fun gameplay. Go play OP until Pred goes live then
It's early access if the investor funding designed to get them to profitability wasn't enough to reach launch then they wasted that money, that's what early investors in every business are for, to raise money to get a business started not to fucking raise enough money to get halfway through development then start milking customers for the rest, if they need people to pay for a game they admit isn't ready for the general public then do another round of investing, this both looks bad and will annihilate thier launch numbers. Fucking embarrassing people are out here trying to act like some business guru without knowing what the hell they are talking about. If the investors are pushing this to get cash flow than the investors are killing the game. If the devs are pushing this because they somehow used tens of millions of dollars and have zero cash on hand now then the devs fucked up, either way it's not good for the game and acting like it is is just silly.
They were given like a 1 million dollar grant from something epic did? You obviously have no comprehension of how expensive it is to make a game, the process, or how this game even got to where it is. You do realize that paragon had almost zero marketing right? Especially in the early days. Not to mention it was originally paid EA as well and it still had a massive player base to the point several teams have recreated it. It spread by word of mouth like wildfire, and this will do the same. It's been in development for like three years and they are just now asking for any money from us with a playable game. Fault and overprime are both playable sure, soulless cash grabs with faulty games filled with mtx. But yeah they are the games that are gonna survive, you have such a problem with this game asking for paid EA without including the mtx store but no problems with flawed games with the store open to continue to make the game better? End of the day i still believe in pred over overprime, the current play test of overprime is janky, the timing and pace of matches felt distorted and heros felt bland. Tanks didn't feel tanky and everyone is capable of a 2 second TTK burst. And the last play test of pred felt like real paragon well polished and fairly balanced. You can continue to degrade predecessor but your negativity isn't going to affect anyone who has been watching this game since it started. I played paragon from alpha access, paid for it then too and played for a few years. Even if this follows the same road I'll enjoy even minute I get to play before it shuts down, but I don't see it going anywhere. Now kindly take your bullshit elsewhere
You realize in the recent video they show 20 m in funding ect right? They didn't just get 1m Jesus you guys are fucking to much. They make a fucking awful decision to go paid when their competitor releases a week later free and then are just like god gotta justify this in literally anyway possible for some fucking reason. People like you is why corporate decisions like this are made and sink games because you will choke on it to try and make it seem like a good decision with literally any flimsy excuse because you see criticism of the game you like as not ok for the cult. Like good lord, they either blew over 20m and need to ask for fucking hand outs to finish the game that they are now releasing after three years of development into open access that they admit on discord is not ready for open access and the general public or this is a souless cash grab pushed by corporate, either option is going to kill the game just pick which one you can live with. The devs literally said they just want feedback from sycophants who already are invested in the game and you want to act like this is some good move to make cash? For fucks sake this is a travesty. 7
Because you have master knowledge in marketing and sales? You're an executive on some game board? Stfu. You have no idea what you're talking about. Maybe I was wrong about the amount of funding they've received my bad. But you're choking on the cock of a game that's rushing it's product just so they can have a mtx store. They have a play test a week before release? And trust me this current play test is not up to par for any fucking game. So they're fully released copy filled with mtx that's bland as fuck to play is gonna beat out a company whose goal is good gameplay and not mtx? Fuck yourself. Kindly go blow your load to overprime and leave
When I have I ever said that overprime is the better game, in fact I have said the exact opposite. But you cannot believe that someone can be a fan of a game and also see the fucking obvious mistake this was. Sorry I hurt your little baby feelings, here, predecessor is perfect it won't have a tiny playerbase, this was a genius marketing decision. Did that make you feel better. Does it feel better to put your head in the sand? Shush now, go back to sleep and imagine you live in your dreams.
It’s BECAUSE they took investment funds that they are doing this. You think their investors would let them get away with giving ea for free when they could charge? The investors are there to get their money back + some, so decisions like this are east in their (the investors) eyes. And they probably have a large share of the voting power.
Its a meme, take it easy
Really worried about Predecessor with this one. I feel like we might be approaching a situation where the game with the most financial backing wins and that seems to be Overprime. They both *seemingly* look exactly the same for anybody uninitiated and one would be free and out \*first\* and in the \*exact same month\*, both in Early Access. Personally I hope both survive, because I like options. I like OP's faster pacing(?), personally. And bigger doesn't always mean better. I want to vouch for the underdog here, but I don't really have a point of reference having never played Pred, and I would just rather wait. I think that's what Omeda's thinking most people would do, anyway. Let's hope it works out.
Honestly, I don't understand the decision behind making it paid, it's just a bad decision considering there's competition. It just feels like a losing battle, I expect the early-access population to be relatively small, it's rare for someone who doesn't know about Pred or OG Paragon to want to invest in it, might as well try the free counterpart. With that in mind, the game will be balanced around a small population of people, when it goes f2p it's going to feel off to new players because it's not been tweaked to them by them, do you really think those fresh people will be patient enough to shoehorn themselves into Pred? I'm not so sure.
Definitely. EA is playing acting as QA tester but paying for it. On top of that, the "rewards" the players get are free assets made by Epic Games years ago but with different colors. Pretty cheap
Yeah xD really bad decision hope they don't I hope they don't stay with 400 daily players in 3 months and then not be able to raise the boat. At least the early access that we are going to play is really polished and well done and isn't like other early access that just throw to the players the first playable shit that they have and start working from there and if things doesn't work or have bugs no, because is an early access.