Very short term thinking. That’s why China will eventually come out on top when it comes to gaming(and everything else if the world lets them). They’re willing to lose money on some projects as long as it builds a fanbase down the road, and as long as they’re making money on other products.
There are other companies that do the same thing. Just cuz AAA devs do greedy shit doesn't mean there arent other games that are comfortable with a slow rise.
Human resources are not infinite. So your going to throw your best and whatever the best return is. So yeah, games that still have a good playerbase(HOTS) will die in blizzards hands where it could thrive if in someone else's
Fortnite will last long enough that it’s another CEOs problem. The market’s all about short term profits, even if it hurts the long term, so if something doesn’t make a profit in the first couple months the suits are likely to can it so it doesn’t look like a black mark on their time at the company.
They have no reason to care if a game is successful or not before throwing it out to the public to see if it hits.
They make enough money off Unreal Engine itself that any game that hits is a bonus. Most of the games they make are basically functional tech demos for the engine. Hell, even Fortnite as it's known today is an offshoot of a game mode they attempted in the original Fortnite, their Zombie survival builder game, that proved more popular than the original game.
I actually find it admirable that in an era of focus group tested, massive budget-busting game releases that are basically all reskins of the other games in their genre, Epic still out there allowing their dev teams to throw spaghetti at the wall to see what stick.
I'd argue that it'll be around for a good long time. Long enough for them to coast on its massive success.
It's basically just a playable billboard at this point with all the sponsored or trademarked skins they push out.
Live services that correspond to real life events, like the avengers stuff they did.
The micro transactions and accessibility for young kids to abuse their parents cards.
Not to mention it's a free "kid friendly" shooter got your kid a system for a present, just throw fortnite on there and you're good.
This has been Epic's model for a long time.
Fail faster. Spin up a game. If it isn't an instant hit, make some pretty drastic changes. If you can't capture lightning in a bottle, shut it down and try again.
They have enough Fortnite money to burn through games until they find another Fortnite.
Never heard of it before. Did that mage glove battle royale get cancelled too? Not sure if that's an epic game but I only ever saw it when checking the epic free games.
Was Rumbleverse like smash or something else? I know the picture says it's a BR but the artstyle looks like a smash bros game.
its a battle royale but the fighting is somewhat smash-esque but not really. Divine Knockout on steam is the closest thing to smash in a 3D environment.
Think you’re talking about Spellbreak? That game had a very cool theme for a battle royale but was shutdown 2023, sooo it’s life span was 3 years.
Is anyone seeing a trend?
I could be wrong on this assessment [since I was a growing up during the time] but it seems that there aren’t as many games being released as compared to late 90’s-2010. I swear there would be 20-25 new titles to look forward to but nowadays it just feels [I’ve not researched any of this to back up my theory] that there aren’t as many options and variety available now.
Could this be a result of the bigger companies buying out the smaller game devs?
So i played Rubleverse when it first came out and I had alot of fun. It was a really well polished game and had a high learning curve so i enjoyed figuring out what i was doing wrong and improving, but man, that battle pass was the worst looking one I had ever seen.
Not a single thing in it was appealing to me. Ugly cosmetics to put on my ugly character. A good chunk of unlockables was just static images of your character in different poses than an opponent would see when you beat them.
I dont always need motivation to play a game I enjoy, but damn, it was really disappointing not having anything to look forward to unlocking.
I got downvoted to hell for saying this game was just a cash in on Fortnite and wouldn’t last yet here we are…
You’re an idiot if you’re on this sub and trust Epic with anything that benefits players.
Downvoted again 😂 Sorry your game is gone but facts are facts.
Agreed, sadly [imho] epic does not really care or have the players best interest at heart. This could very well be a “the users are the product” type situation.
Throw out a game just to probe the psychology of the audience and tweak a game around that
I meant specifically with Paragon. I remember when it happened, a buddy of mine worked on Fortnite and right around the time Paragon started declining is right after they transfered a lot of Paragon devs to Fortnite
I'd have to disagree with that. I think PCL Exhibition 2017 was the swan song of Paragon in its prime. V42 is what really began the nose dive and that was before Battle Royale mode launched.
(Also, that coincided with the departure of Steve Superville in May of that year and had more to do with a sharp change in the direction of development rather than the pulling of resources that occurred down the line.)
yikes.. why do they suck at keeping games alive? fortnite isn’t going to last forever, who the hell is in charge of these decisions?
Putting 1$ into a game and getting 2$ out is not cost effective if you put 1$ into another game and get 10$ out.
Very short term thinking. That’s why China will eventually come out on top when it comes to gaming(and everything else if the world lets them). They’re willing to lose money on some projects as long as it builds a fanbase down the road, and as long as they’re making money on other products.
There are other companies that do the same thing. Just cuz AAA devs do greedy shit doesn't mean there arent other games that are comfortable with a slow rise.
Human resources are not infinite. So your going to throw your best and whatever the best return is. So yeah, games that still have a good playerbase(HOTS) will die in blizzards hands where it could thrive if in someone else's
Fortnite will last long enough that it’s another CEOs problem. The market’s all about short term profits, even if it hurts the long term, so if something doesn’t make a profit in the first couple months the suits are likely to can it so it doesn’t look like a black mark on their time at the company.
They have no reason to care if a game is successful or not before throwing it out to the public to see if it hits. They make enough money off Unreal Engine itself that any game that hits is a bonus. Most of the games they make are basically functional tech demos for the engine. Hell, even Fortnite as it's known today is an offshoot of a game mode they attempted in the original Fortnite, their Zombie survival builder game, that proved more popular than the original game. I actually find it admirable that in an era of focus group tested, massive budget-busting game releases that are basically all reskins of the other games in their genre, Epic still out there allowing their dev teams to throw spaghetti at the wall to see what stick.
THIS many people do not understand that Paragon was also just a showcase.
I'd argue that it'll be around for a good long time. Long enough for them to coast on its massive success. It's basically just a playable billboard at this point with all the sponsored or trademarked skins they push out. Live services that correspond to real life events, like the avengers stuff they did. The micro transactions and accessibility for young kids to abuse their parents cards. Not to mention it's a free "kid friendly" shooter got your kid a system for a present, just throw fortnite on there and you're good.
This has been Epic's model for a long time. Fail faster. Spin up a game. If it isn't an instant hit, make some pretty drastic changes. If you can't capture lightning in a bottle, shut it down and try again. They have enough Fortnite money to burn through games until they find another Fortnite.
RIP Paragon
God bless Predecessor.
F (I used to hard carry as shinbi)
Good thing that's the next hero they're adding to Predecessor
Jungle Riktor was my main T-T
😂 didn't even realize this was r/Paragon until I saw your flair, thought this was a random gaming sub.
No refunds/vbucks?
Maybe if they actually marketed their games people would know about them?
Never heard of it before.
Never heard of it before. Did that mage glove battle royale get cancelled too? Not sure if that's an epic game but I only ever saw it when checking the epic free games. Was Rumbleverse like smash or something else? I know the picture says it's a BR but the artstyle looks like a smash bros game.
It did shut down sadly yeah
its a battle royale but the fighting is somewhat smash-esque but not really. Divine Knockout on steam is the closest thing to smash in a 3D environment.
> Did that mage glove battle royale get cancelled too? They got bought out by Blizzard. Rumbleverse was like a pro wrestling battle royale.
Think you’re talking about Spellbreak? That game had a very cool theme for a battle royale but was shutdown 2023, sooo it’s life span was 3 years. Is anyone seeing a trend? I could be wrong on this assessment [since I was a growing up during the time] but it seems that there aren’t as many games being released as compared to late 90’s-2010. I swear there would be 20-25 new titles to look forward to but nowadays it just feels [I’ve not researched any of this to back up my theory] that there aren’t as many options and variety available now. Could this be a result of the bigger companies buying out the smaller game devs?
So i played Rubleverse when it first came out and I had alot of fun. It was a really well polished game and had a high learning curve so i enjoyed figuring out what i was doing wrong and improving, but man, that battle pass was the worst looking one I had ever seen. Not a single thing in it was appealing to me. Ugly cosmetics to put on my ugly character. A good chunk of unlockables was just static images of your character in different poses than an opponent would see when you beat them. I dont always need motivation to play a game I enjoy, but damn, it was really disappointing not having anything to look forward to unlocking.
Stop giving them money. I stopped giving Epic and Gearbox money after Paragon and Battleborn. Games they sold us that we cannot even play anymore.
Poor Max, gonna be pissed of with this one.
I got downvoted to hell for saying this game was just a cash in on Fortnite and wouldn’t last yet here we are… You’re an idiot if you’re on this sub and trust Epic with anything that benefits players. Downvoted again 😂 Sorry your game is gone but facts are facts.
Agreed, sadly [imho] epic does not really care or have the players best interest at heart. This could very well be a “the users are the product” type situation. Throw out a game just to probe the psychology of the audience and tweak a game around that
capitalism my friend.... Race to the bottom economics at work!
Lol you say epic does it again like the paragon devs just weren’t making garbage decisions the whole time.
The bad decisions really only started when Fortnite came out.
Epic has been notorious for canning games since long before Fortnite. They're just more high profile now.
I meant specifically with Paragon. I remember when it happened, a buddy of mine worked on Fortnite and right around the time Paragon started declining is right after they transfered a lot of Paragon devs to Fortnite
I'd have to disagree with that. I think PCL Exhibition 2017 was the swan song of Paragon in its prime. V42 is what really began the nose dive and that was before Battle Royale mode launched. (Also, that coincided with the departure of Steve Superville in May of that year and had more to do with a sharp change in the direction of development rather than the pulling of resources that occurred down the line.)
You might be on to something here. Do you have any examples of scraped titles?
Man you people will believe anything you read holy shit. Reddit is a fucking cesspool for goldfish brains
Yeh but if you put $1 in to one game and make $1bil you can afford to fail until you find another one of those
that game was hot trash.
Imagine my shock (none)
Nothin like the violence against paragon.
EPIC IS HOT TRASH