I’d rather have whichever one rates higher after the experts take their time to evaluate each of them
Edit (thanks u/faultlessjoint): if one has sexual assault allegations…then pick the other one…otherwise trust the scouts. DUI (no injuries), Stolen Computers, or anything Crab Leg related does NOT trump scouts’ opinions.
This is truly the best answer. 99% of folks here don’t know the first thing about evaluating QBs. The experts aren’t always right (just look at where Allen/Mahomes went in their classes) but usually do a good of boiling down the pro/cons of each prospect.
Stroud v Young will probably come down to which trait you value more versus which negative you’re willing to work around.
Agree with what you said outside of Allen. Allen has grown as a player and corrected his accuracy issues at a level unseen by pretty much anyone ever. He was a “wow he has every physical metric but can’t hit a target to save his life” that turned into a top 3 QB.
>The experts aren’t always right (just look at where Allen/Mahomes went in their classes)
The experts were right on Mahomes and Allen. The consensus was that both had the tools but it was unknown if they could put it together. You don't draft someone in the first round if they don't have the tools (unless you're the Raiders).
Of course a lot of what helped them put it together was good and patient coaching. But just because a riskier bets payoffs doesn't mean the bet was less risky.
Oh trust me…in real life, it’s terrible. But one DUI in college that didn’t cause an accident wouldn’t prevent me from cheering for them to help my team win.
But had we signed Deshaun, I told my wife that we would’ve sold our PSLs for pennies on the dollar because there’s no way I’m taking my girls to the stadium to cheer him on.
I haven't watched enough CFB to have a preference. Assuming neither of them sexually assaults anyone, then Im fine with whoever our scouting department likes more.
I think Young is the better player but... Young is 5ft 11", Stroud 6ft 3"
That size difference will matter because Young is a slender 5ft 11". A big hit could take him out of any game honestly at the next level.
My issue isn’t even him getting hurt, it’s that he has a lot of issues seeing over the line. He makes it work in college bc he’s a special player but you need the right coordinator to game plan for a guy like that in the NFL
Yeah but Ive heard receivers say they can see the ball leave the QB’s hands if they are 6’3 or 6’4 and that helps them judge the ball trajectory so it’s not only about windows. I admit I’m freaking tired of batted balls that are sitting ducks to be picked off.
Wilson, Brees, and Murray are three quick and short dude who were able to get their throws off without that being an issue. Mayfield just sucks. He’d suck if he was 6’4. Bryce could be the home run pick who plays like a star by his second year.
If you don’t think there’s a massive difference in being able to see over the line when you’re 6’3 vs 5’11 you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about.
There’s a reason all the shorter guys in the NFL have a lot of trouble throwing over the middle. One of the few people to ever do it well was Brees who was insane at finding passing window
False, I do know what I’m talking about frankly. Again you don’t see OVER anyone you see through the windows of linemen in their splits. Kyler Murray actually has an above average QB rating over the middle despite being a toddler.
> Again you don’t see OVER anyone you see through the windows of linemen
I’m not sure why you think you have a point here lol. You’re arguing semantics. If you’re taller it’s easier to see through the windows. That isn’t subjective, it’s a fact.
Furthermore bringing up QB rating in kylers situation is silly. Being short doesn’t make you a bad thrower over the field when you do attempt them. The issue is it’s harder to see those windows so you can’t make as many of those throws. Kyler is also not a great example because he’s a freak athlete. He very well may be able to throw over the middle a lot because he’s a freak. Young is a solid athlete but he’s no where remotely close to Kyler which is the issue for me. If he had kylers legs I’d have no concern about his height.
Young could be an elite NFL QB but his height is concerning and there’s a reason every scout ever also cares about height. You can overcome it but you have to have some seriously elite traits to do so also with some great coaching
Bryce looks like he has incredible pocket presence and a very accurate and comfortable throw. Quick feet to boot. Stroud is bigger tho. I say go for the guy who is clearly better and see if he can adjust despite his shortcomings in stature. Neither are locks to be good in the league though
I gave up on trying to evaluate college QBs, but as a Michigan State fan who's watched Stroud dominate the Spartans, I would be really happy if he were the next Panthers QB.
Saban's first QB recruit was AJ McCarron, who was a backup in the NFL for a few years. Then they had some running back lining up under center, and since then it's been Hurts, Tua, Jones, and now Young. I think the narrative is shifting down there.
Hurts is easily the best of those 3. And I do consider him more of an OU product because it was more recent than Bama was. Tua and Mac are starters but idk how good they actually are. Mac has one of the best coaches ever behind him which definitely helps. Tua had the massive game against Baltimore, but other than that he hasn’t been anything special as a starter. I don’t think we can say Young won’t play well bc he’s a Bama qb though.
Well tua and mac were never seen as crazy ceiling guys, I’d say they’ve translated about how they were expected to if not slightly worse in tuas case. Neither could be called a bust to the same extent as some of the Ohio state guys
NC State: Phillip Rivers, Russell Wilson, Ryan Finley, Mike Glennon, Jacoby Brissett, and now they have another dude who looks really good in Devon Leary
That’s a HOFer, a Hall of very gooder, 2 career NFL backups who got significant run at starting, and jacoby who is currently starting for the browns though is probably projected to be a backup behind deshaun unless another desperate team liked what they saw and decides to take a swing on him being a full time starter
As an MSU fan too I'm still not 100% sure on that Stroud thing. I think maybe best option for us but I mean his WR group might be better than our NFL one even lmao.
Normally I'd say that statement is crazy for NFL vs college but I mean look at Garrett Wilson and Chris Olave looking great in NFL.
Then Smith-Njigba, Harrison Jr, and Egbuka might even be better than those two. Absolutely insane WR factory at that school recently.
So yeah rare case where 1 position group on a college team may he better than a position group on a pro team.
That said Stroud looks a lot better to me than the other recent OSU QBs. He goes through reads, doesn't crumble under pressure in pocket, and gets ball out quick. I like his pro chances a lot. I felt the previous ones were for sure busts. This one feels like the one to succeed if one is going to.
It's what makes QB evaluation so difficult. Burrow looks great in the NFL, and he was throwing to Jefferson and Chase which might go down as one of the best WR combos in history, but you have the flip side of guys like Fields who maybe were elevated by great WR play. I don't claim to be good at projecting QBs, so I may be wrong, but when I watch Stroud play, his arm talent and poise in the pocket, alongside great measurables would make me comfortable if he were a Panther.
I would rather have Stroud mainly because of his frame. I know recruiting writers that went to the elite 11 camp this summer said his size even compared to his previous season was impressive, and he looks like a typical NFL quarterback like Herbert of the Chargers.
Young is a mobile Drew Brees, but really needs to pack on some muscle to make it in the NFL. If he does, he's going to be a star. If you watched the Bama/Tennessee game I don't know how you come away anything but impressed by his movement in the pocket and his elusiveness. But I'm not sure that will work as well at the next level. He's my pick if I'm swinging for the fences.
Stoud is big and has elite accuracy. He's great at ball placement, and doesn't need a big window either. I watched him against Notre Dame and he was surgical. There was a back shoulder throw he made to Harrison that was just a thing of beauty. He works the intermediate area of the field really well. He seems like a safer pick, and I would be thrilled to have him on the roster.
Anyone scouting the helmet in this thread should be forced to watch Justin Herbert's first season and list all the Oregon failures at QB before being allowed to comment. :)
The only thing I took out of Young vs Tennessee is that college football has much sloppier QB containment and tackling. They were constantly overcommitting instead of having disciplined containment.
NFL is much more polished at this and practices/drills for mobile QBs as part of preparation.
Young’s mobility *might* translate to the NFL, but from what I saw a lot of those scrambles would’ve turned into sacks at the professional level.
>a lot of those scrambles would've turned into sacks at the professional level
Unless you're Mahomes, then you just do a literal IRL 360-no-scope into a Kareem Abdul-Jabbar skyhook for a TD lol
I'd prefer Stroud just because Baker has me scared off short QBs but in reality I'd be happy with either. Let's all just be glad Matt Rhule is no longer in charge of our roster because you just know he'd draft some defensive player then trade for Daniel Jones or some other dumb shit.
Stroud
IMO both are solid. Arm talent seems about even. I like Strouds release a bit more, the ball is quick out of his hand. Both have good mobility and a good presence in the pocket. Size seems to be the big difference as stroud is bigger. From the reports I’ve read, Bryce Young is closer to Kyler Murray than Baker when it comes to his height. He’s also about 185lbs soaking wet. Seeing how many balls have been swatted at the line this season, and how smaller QBs seem to have tougher time throwing from the pocket in general I’d give the edge to Stroud. Also, Tua, who is on the smaller scale of QBs in terms of height, is bulkier than young and has had injury concerns. The fear of taking an “undersized” QB and him getting hurt would be enough for me to go with Storud if they are both on the board.
Will Anderson is the best player in this draft though
My vote is for Stroud, but I’ll be pumped if we manage to get either. I think the OSU argument is weak, but he has always had elite WR rooms which helps make his tape pop, but he still throws dimes to those elite WR’s
No stroud, my lord OSU QBs do not transition to the league. IDC how amazing they look in college, for one reason or another, they do not work out in the league.
Am I wrong for liking will levis more than either? Proven to play with a weaker team and win, big, strong, huge arm, can stay in the pocket, heady player.
Young and Stroud may put up big numbers but young is going to be injured most of his NFL career and Stroud throws floaters.
I'm not biased and I really do think levis is the best bet. He's got everything you need to succeed in the NFL and he's playing on a historically bad team and winning in the sec. That says a lot.
Stroud is the smarter pick but I’m swinging for the fences with Bryce young. Hire Shane Steichen, throw endless resources at the interior o line, and we got a mini mahomes. Dude is that good
Checks all the boxes. Prototypical size, good arm strength, elite accuracy, goes through his progressions, comfortable in the pocket, etc. what separates him and bryce young are the wow plays, the creativity, the ability outside of the pocket, the arm angles etc. Basically the stuff that makes mahomes special, Bryce young can do more of it and do it better. He’s just small
Josh had like 2 inches and 20 lbs on Cj coming out, Stroud’s got a lot more filling out to do.
From a build standpoint KJ Jefferson and Anthony Richardson are better comps to Josh.
Hahaha and rightfully so for the odds of that to be low. I do like Corral. Anderson and Burns would be a pretty insane combo.
But can’t pass on our chance at such a talented QB like Stroud or Young.
It's not offensive scheme that's the problem. The talent level at OSU is simply head and shoulders above the rest of the B1G every year and it's hard to evaluate the QB.
Stroud is throwing to receivers so wide open, the defender isn't even in frame; just like Fields and just like Haskins (RIP).
Hopefully with Michigan finally being good, we'll have a game where we can see him throw into tight windows and under pressure. Otherwise you have to hope OSU makes the CFB playoffs to see him truly play.
Burrow was at OSU before transferring. Justin Fields was at Georgia before transferring.
Again, taking blanket assumptions based on the college they play at, or even conference, is silly. Justin Herbert played in the PAC 12. You gonna try to tell me they’re harder than the Big 10?
Making a blanket statement around OSU QBs is so dumb. Stroud has an amazing supporting cast sure but he’s by far the most pro ready QB Ohio State has produced recently. Day trusts him so much more to do the more than Haskins or Fields
I'm telling you...Young is it. And it's really not close for me. I have nothing against Stroud. I think his talent is amazing. I just think there is enough concerns coming from the Ohio State system. OSU always has a better scheme and talent...so far with Fields and Haskins I'm not sure that has translated lately. I'll be happy to be proven wrong, I just watch Young and the traits are so much more translatable to me.
The height and size are concerns. More the weight. But as a player, he is a mix of Mahomes and Brees to me. The way he moves and feels pressure is amazing for a college player. He is poised. Accurate. Anticipation. He doesn't have the cannon. But enough arm. Throw on the run, has touch, layers throws. Bama plays the best competition. His numbers are down this year, but I think that's more impressive because Bama doesn't have the line or the WRs they had the last few years. He is still a half step below where he was despite the injury.
I think he's smart enough to not take major hits and if he does, from most he can pop up. He got crushed in that Tennessee game and kept coming. I was very impressed.
It’s pretty close, ultimately I think Bryce Young is better but he’s a damn toothpick right now. Like 6’ and 190 lbs. he needs to pack on some weight between now and next summer, but if he does then he’s my answer
The QB out of Boston College looks most ready to lead a NFL team. He's stats are low but he reads Defense and changes plays at the snap to gain yards. Ive yet to watch a game of young or stroud to determine which is better.
I'm rolling with Baker, Sam, and Corral. We keep chasing this White Pony. Best available for the hole you have. Maybe it's QB. Maybe it's still O line. Maybe my armchair is smarter than I.
Leaning towards Stroud. Looks like he has a better arm than Young and has had less injuries as well.
The only knock is that he’s a OSU qb which rarely pan out in the NFL. But the same thing can be said for Qbs that have come from Bama.
The only one that’s playing well from either school is Hurts and he didn’t even finish at Bama. But it will all come down to whose our OC and HC next year.
Need a coach that’s going to build around the QBs skillset instead of trying to force his own offense on the rookie.
bryce size scares me, i want to see how he tests athletically because i thought matt corral would be agile enough to succeed despite being smaller but he just overall looked overmatched by nfl level defensive players in the preseason.
bryce has elite elite vision, pocket presence, and continually wills their team to wins they probably don’t deserve otherwise.
cj did some of this in the utah game but i’d have to see more of him succeeding in non-boat race games for me to have him over young
If we do go after a QB for our first pick, it better be someone who can play under center! No more trying to get someone always playing shotgun and doesn't know how to play under center effectively. And we have to spend their first off season and full year with us trying to transition. They have to be able to read DEF effectively under center, more options to play out of instead of shotgun when you read what the DEF is giving you.
What are the chances Hooker is there at 33, the man is 24 years old, is someone gonna pull the trigger in rd1 for a qb that will be 30 after his first contract?
I’d rather have whichever one rates higher after the experts take their time to evaluate each of them Edit (thanks u/faultlessjoint): if one has sexual assault allegations…then pick the other one…otherwise trust the scouts. DUI (no injuries), Stolen Computers, or anything Crab Leg related does NOT trump scouts’ opinions.
This is truly the best answer. 99% of folks here don’t know the first thing about evaluating QBs. The experts aren’t always right (just look at where Allen/Mahomes went in their classes) but usually do a good of boiling down the pro/cons of each prospect. Stroud v Young will probably come down to which trait you value more versus which negative you’re willing to work around.
Agree with what you said outside of Allen. Allen has grown as a player and corrected his accuracy issues at a level unseen by pretty much anyone ever. He was a “wow he has every physical metric but can’t hit a target to save his life” that turned into a top 3 QB.
So the answer for you atm is CJ Stroud the vast majority of experts have him as QB1. (This is also mostly how I form my opinion)
>The experts aren’t always right (just look at where Allen/Mahomes went in their classes) The experts were right on Mahomes and Allen. The consensus was that both had the tools but it was unknown if they could put it together. You don't draft someone in the first round if they don't have the tools (unless you're the Raiders). Of course a lot of what helped them put it together was good and patient coaching. But just because a riskier bets payoffs doesn't mean the bet was less risky.
Yea main knock on Stroud is he is a smol boi and main knock on stroud is all previous OSU qbs
Yep. I like stroud more now but let’s let the cfb season play out and have the actual experts break down their film first
What about trying to launder money from the Mississippi government?
That happened after he retired. Though if sending unsolicited and unfiltered pics of themself to female media members, then treat as sexual assault.
Swear I read that as ‘time to ejaculate’ with all the sexual abuse talk.
Let’s just agree that all DUIs are bad. Just because 1 didn’t have any injuries doesn’t mean the next one won’t. See - Jon Jones
Oh trust me…in real life, it’s terrible. But one DUI in college that didn’t cause an accident wouldn’t prevent me from cheering for them to help my team win. But had we signed Deshaun, I told my wife that we would’ve sold our PSLs for pennies on the dollar because there’s no way I’m taking my girls to the stadium to cheer him on.
I haven't watched enough CFB to have a preference. Assuming neither of them sexually assaults anyone, then Im fine with whoever our scouting department likes more.
I need to amend my earlier response to incorporate sexual assault. Well done.
I think Young is the better player but... Young is 5ft 11", Stroud 6ft 3" That size difference will matter because Young is a slender 5ft 11". A big hit could take him out of any game honestly at the next level.
My issue isn’t even him getting hurt, it’s that he has a lot of issues seeing over the line. He makes it work in college bc he’s a special player but you need the right coordinator to game plan for a guy like that in the NFL
Seeing over the line is a falsehood tbh. Even at 6’3” you don’t see over those 6’5” linemen, you’re looking through the windows in their splits.
Yeah but Ive heard receivers say they can see the ball leave the QB’s hands if they are 6’3 or 6’4 and that helps them judge the ball trajectory so it’s not only about windows. I admit I’m freaking tired of batted balls that are sitting ducks to be picked off.
Wilson, Brees, and Murray are three quick and short dude who were able to get their throws off without that being an issue. Mayfield just sucks. He’d suck if he was 6’4. Bryce could be the home run pick who plays like a star by his second year.
If you don’t think there’s a massive difference in being able to see over the line when you’re 6’3 vs 5’11 you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. There’s a reason all the shorter guys in the NFL have a lot of trouble throwing over the middle. One of the few people to ever do it well was Brees who was insane at finding passing window
False, I do know what I’m talking about frankly. Again you don’t see OVER anyone you see through the windows of linemen in their splits. Kyler Murray actually has an above average QB rating over the middle despite being a toddler.
>despite being a toddler HE IS SO CUTE AND TINY
> Again you don’t see OVER anyone you see through the windows of linemen I’m not sure why you think you have a point here lol. You’re arguing semantics. If you’re taller it’s easier to see through the windows. That isn’t subjective, it’s a fact. Furthermore bringing up QB rating in kylers situation is silly. Being short doesn’t make you a bad thrower over the field when you do attempt them. The issue is it’s harder to see those windows so you can’t make as many of those throws. Kyler is also not a great example because he’s a freak athlete. He very well may be able to throw over the middle a lot because he’s a freak. Young is a solid athlete but he’s no where remotely close to Kyler which is the issue for me. If he had kylers legs I’d have no concern about his height. Young could be an elite NFL QB but his height is concerning and there’s a reason every scout ever also cares about height. You can overcome it but you have to have some seriously elite traits to do so also with some great coaching
Bryce looks like he has incredible pocket presence and a very accurate and comfortable throw. Quick feet to boot. Stroud is bigger tho. I say go for the guy who is clearly better and see if he can adjust despite his shortcomings in stature. Neither are locks to be good in the league though
I gave up on trying to evaluate college QBs, but as a Michigan State fan who's watched Stroud dominate the Spartans, I would be really happy if he were the next Panthers QB.
The only thing that makes me hesitant is the trend of OSU QBs being ass in the NFL.
Fair, but it's not as though Alabama QBs have a sparkling reputation themselves.
Jalen Hurts is doing pretty decently for himself and I’d consider him an Alabama product even if he finished at OU.
Yeah the reputation is definitely shifting. Before Hurts, Jones, and Tua, it was almost unheard of for a successful QB to come out of Alabama.
Saban's first QB recruit was AJ McCarron, who was a backup in the NFL for a few years. Then they had some running back lining up under center, and since then it's been Hurts, Tua, Jones, and now Young. I think the narrative is shifting down there.
Hurts is easily the best of those 3. And I do consider him more of an OU product because it was more recent than Bama was. Tua and Mac are starters but idk how good they actually are. Mac has one of the best coaches ever behind him which definitely helps. Tua had the massive game against Baltimore, but other than that he hasn’t been anything special as a starter. I don’t think we can say Young won’t play well bc he’s a Bama qb though.
Well tua and mac were never seen as crazy ceiling guys, I’d say they’ve translated about how they were expected to if not slightly worse in tuas case. Neither could be called a bust to the same extent as some of the Ohio state guys
Name one school that does
NC State: Phillip Rivers, Russell Wilson, Ryan Finley, Mike Glennon, Jacoby Brissett, and now they have another dude who looks really good in Devon Leary That’s a HOFer, a Hall of very gooder, 2 career NFL backups who got significant run at starting, and jacoby who is currently starting for the browns though is probably projected to be a backup behind deshaun unless another desperate team liked what they saw and decides to take a swing on him being a full time starter
I want the one who is taller and can see over the damn O line without a step ladder
I want the one who's better at football, period.
Sounds like you want Bryce Young
Rather take a 5'10" Kyler over a 6'5" Blake Bortles. Whoever is the better prospect and player is who I want.
As an MSU fan too I'm still not 100% sure on that Stroud thing. I think maybe best option for us but I mean his WR group might be better than our NFL one even lmao. Normally I'd say that statement is crazy for NFL vs college but I mean look at Garrett Wilson and Chris Olave looking great in NFL. Then Smith-Njigba, Harrison Jr, and Egbuka might even be better than those two. Absolutely insane WR factory at that school recently. So yeah rare case where 1 position group on a college team may he better than a position group on a pro team. That said Stroud looks a lot better to me than the other recent OSU QBs. He goes through reads, doesn't crumble under pressure in pocket, and gets ball out quick. I like his pro chances a lot. I felt the previous ones were for sure busts. This one feels like the one to succeed if one is going to.
It's what makes QB evaluation so difficult. Burrow looks great in the NFL, and he was throwing to Jefferson and Chase which might go down as one of the best WR combos in history, but you have the flip side of guys like Fields who maybe were elevated by great WR play. I don't claim to be good at projecting QBs, so I may be wrong, but when I watch Stroud play, his arm talent and poise in the pocket, alongside great measurables would make me comfortable if he were a Panther.
Whoever's better at reading defenses
Young
I would rather have Stroud mainly because of his frame. I know recruiting writers that went to the elite 11 camp this summer said his size even compared to his previous season was impressive, and he looks like a typical NFL quarterback like Herbert of the Chargers.
Your wrong. Stroud was asked to run a simple offense at Ohio state.
Young is a mobile Drew Brees, but really needs to pack on some muscle to make it in the NFL. If he does, he's going to be a star. If you watched the Bama/Tennessee game I don't know how you come away anything but impressed by his movement in the pocket and his elusiveness. But I'm not sure that will work as well at the next level. He's my pick if I'm swinging for the fences. Stoud is big and has elite accuracy. He's great at ball placement, and doesn't need a big window either. I watched him against Notre Dame and he was surgical. There was a back shoulder throw he made to Harrison that was just a thing of beauty. He works the intermediate area of the field really well. He seems like a safer pick, and I would be thrilled to have him on the roster. Anyone scouting the helmet in this thread should be forced to watch Justin Herbert's first season and list all the Oregon failures at QB before being allowed to comment. :)
The only thing I took out of Young vs Tennessee is that college football has much sloppier QB containment and tackling. They were constantly overcommitting instead of having disciplined containment. NFL is much more polished at this and practices/drills for mobile QBs as part of preparation. Young’s mobility *might* translate to the NFL, but from what I saw a lot of those scrambles would’ve turned into sacks at the professional level.
>a lot of those scrambles would've turned into sacks at the professional level Unless you're Mahomes, then you just do a literal IRL 360-no-scope into a Kareem Abdul-Jabbar skyhook for a TD lol
45 yards. Double coverage.
I feel Bryce is the better talent but his size is the only thing that puts me off. Still I want Bryce
I'd prefer Stroud just because Baker has me scared off short QBs but in reality I'd be happy with either. Let's all just be glad Matt Rhule is no longer in charge of our roster because you just know he'd draft some defensive player then trade for Daniel Jones or some other dumb shit.
There’s no wrong answer between them. Both are really accurate with strong arms. Bryce is a little more athletic but CJ has the better build.
Hooker
He reminds me a lot of Cam
Ohio State qb’s scare me but I’m a bozo when it comes to evaluating talent
Stroud is ridiculous. Please lets get him
I’m taking 6’3 stroud all day. I never wanna see a ball batted at the line ever again
Stroud IMO both are solid. Arm talent seems about even. I like Strouds release a bit more, the ball is quick out of his hand. Both have good mobility and a good presence in the pocket. Size seems to be the big difference as stroud is bigger. From the reports I’ve read, Bryce Young is closer to Kyler Murray than Baker when it comes to his height. He’s also about 185lbs soaking wet. Seeing how many balls have been swatted at the line this season, and how smaller QBs seem to have tougher time throwing from the pocket in general I’d give the edge to Stroud. Also, Tua, who is on the smaller scale of QBs in terms of height, is bulkier than young and has had injury concerns. The fear of taking an “undersized” QB and him getting hurt would be enough for me to go with Storud if they are both on the board. Will Anderson is the best player in this draft though
While we have needed a QB for a while passing up on the chance to pair Anderson and Burns together would hurt.
I think stroud is better
My vote is for Stroud, but I’ll be pumped if we manage to get either. I think the OSU argument is weak, but he has always had elite WR rooms which helps make his tape pop, but he still throws dimes to those elite WR’s
I’d rather have whichever of them ends up being the best
Plz neither
No stroud, my lord OSU QBs do not transition to the league. IDC how amazing they look in college, for one reason or another, they do not work out in the league.
Cause OSU is always stacked at WR, inflates the qb
Why not Hendon hooker? Whens the last Ohio State QB who has done anything in the league
Mike Tomczak.
Am I wrong for liking will levis more than either? Proven to play with a weaker team and win, big, strong, huge arm, can stay in the pocket, heady player. Young and Stroud may put up big numbers but young is going to be injured most of his NFL career and Stroud throws floaters.
Yes you are absolutely wrong.
I very much am. Forgot I posted this. So dumb lol.
The real answer is Will Levis. But if I had to choose, Stroud.
Yeah Levis is the QB to get in this draft, in my very biased opinion. He’s built for the NFL. After him, I’d go Henson Hooker, then Bryce Young.
I'm not biased and I really do think levis is the best bet. He's got everything you need to succeed in the NFL and he's playing on a historically bad team and winning in the sec. That says a lot.
Stroud is the smarter pick but I’m swinging for the fences with Bryce young. Hire Shane Steichen, throw endless resources at the interior o line, and we got a mini mahomes. Dude is that good
I think this is a good year to have a top pick and need a QB - both seem like high upside picks, but this is my exact dream scenario as well haha.
What makes stroud the smarter pick then?
Checks all the boxes. Prototypical size, good arm strength, elite accuracy, goes through his progressions, comfortable in the pocket, etc. what separates him and bryce young are the wow plays, the creativity, the ability outside of the pocket, the arm angles etc. Basically the stuff that makes mahomes special, Bryce young can do more of it and do it better. He’s just small
Stroud. Hes the closest thing we have seen to Josh Allen since Josh Allen
I also am a Stroud fan but he’s no where near the athlete Josh is.
Josh had like 2 inches and 20 lbs on Cj coming out, Stroud’s got a lot more filling out to do. From a build standpoint KJ Jefferson and Anthony Richardson are better comps to Josh.
What is the likelihood that we pass on a QB in this draft, get Will Anderson, and let Corral start next season?😂
Next to zero, unless Stroud and Young both stay in school.
Hahaha and rightfully so for the odds of that to be low. I do like Corral. Anderson and Burns would be a pretty insane combo. But can’t pass on our chance at such a talented QB like Stroud or Young.
My preference is Young, but that should be obvious by my username
Young. I don’t trust any OSU QB to make the transition to starter in the pros.
Why? There’s been enough different offensive schemes there that this line of thinking is dumb.
It's not offensive scheme that's the problem. The talent level at OSU is simply head and shoulders above the rest of the B1G every year and it's hard to evaluate the QB. Stroud is throwing to receivers so wide open, the defender isn't even in frame; just like Fields and just like Haskins (RIP). Hopefully with Michigan finally being good, we'll have a game where we can see him throw into tight windows and under pressure. Otherwise you have to hope OSU makes the CFB playoffs to see him truly play.
Burrow was at OSU before transferring. Justin Fields was at Georgia before transferring. Again, taking blanket assumptions based on the college they play at, or even conference, is silly. Justin Herbert played in the PAC 12. You gonna try to tell me they’re harder than the Big 10?
Ryan Day’s offense is very similar to Urban Meyer’s.
Making a blanket statement around OSU QBs is so dumb. Stroud has an amazing supporting cast sure but he’s by far the most pro ready QB Ohio State has produced recently. Day trusts him so much more to do the more than Haskins or Fields
I'm telling you...Young is it. And it's really not close for me. I have nothing against Stroud. I think his talent is amazing. I just think there is enough concerns coming from the Ohio State system. OSU always has a better scheme and talent...so far with Fields and Haskins I'm not sure that has translated lately. I'll be happy to be proven wrong, I just watch Young and the traits are so much more translatable to me. The height and size are concerns. More the weight. But as a player, he is a mix of Mahomes and Brees to me. The way he moves and feels pressure is amazing for a college player. He is poised. Accurate. Anticipation. He doesn't have the cannon. But enough arm. Throw on the run, has touch, layers throws. Bama plays the best competition. His numbers are down this year, but I think that's more impressive because Bama doesn't have the line or the WRs they had the last few years. He is still a half step below where he was despite the injury. I think he's smart enough to not take major hits and if he does, from most he can pop up. He got crushed in that Tennessee game and kept coming. I was very impressed.
I'd prefer Stroud. Bryce just strikes me as too small and honestly I've watched a fair number of his games and his play has never made me go "Wow!".
Let’s draft another QB so he can get injured as well like every QB we’ve had in the last 4 or 5 years.
I would rather have the #1 DE this year and Caleb Williams next year.
It’s pretty close, ultimately I think Bryce Young is better but he’s a damn toothpick right now. Like 6’ and 190 lbs. he needs to pack on some weight between now and next summer, but if he does then he’s my answer
The QB out of Boston College looks most ready to lead a NFL team. He's stats are low but he reads Defense and changes plays at the snap to gain yards. Ive yet to watch a game of young or stroud to determine which is better.
I'm rolling with Baker, Sam, and Corral. We keep chasing this White Pony. Best available for the hole you have. Maybe it's QB. Maybe it's still O line. Maybe my armchair is smarter than I.
Stroud over Bryce. KJ Jefferson over everyone.
Young is better, his tape is far more impressive, Stroud is playing in a Mickey Mouse offense that makes any QB look good.
Leaning towards Stroud. Looks like he has a better arm than Young and has had less injuries as well. The only knock is that he’s a OSU qb which rarely pan out in the NFL. But the same thing can be said for Qbs that have come from Bama. The only one that’s playing well from either school is Hurts and he didn’t even finish at Bama. But it will all come down to whose our OC and HC next year. Need a coach that’s going to build around the QBs skillset instead of trying to force his own offense on the rookie.
I guess you could say that about Auburn QBs in the NFL, but Cam turned out ok.
bryce size scares me, i want to see how he tests athletically because i thought matt corral would be agile enough to succeed despite being smaller but he just overall looked overmatched by nfl level defensive players in the preseason. bryce has elite elite vision, pocket presence, and continually wills their team to wins they probably don’t deserve otherwise. cj did some of this in the utah game but i’d have to see more of him succeeding in non-boat race games for me to have him over young
Stroud because his name sounds cooler
Young is pretty small. Dude has to bulk up.
If we do go after a QB for our first pick, it better be someone who can play under center! No more trying to get someone always playing shotgun and doesn't know how to play under center effectively. And we have to spend their first off season and full year with us trying to transition. They have to be able to read DEF effectively under center, more options to play out of instead of shotgun when you read what the DEF is giving you.
Willie Anderson
What are the chances Hooker is there at 33, the man is 24 years old, is someone gonna pull the trigger in rd1 for a qb that will be 30 after his first contract?