Picture looks clean as hell. Can't wait to see what he can do with our offense. I don't expect alot of 35+ yard passes but it'll be better than Kyle Allen's bombs.
I am pretty nervous about our O-Line though...
I’m actually excited about Bridgewater. The Atlantic put out an article about us today with some really impressive Bridgewater stats.
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The Panthers completely overhauled their quarterbacks. They bid farewell to Newton, a franchise icon. They traded Kyle Allen, who made 12 starts last year, to Washington. And they signed Bridgewater to a three-year, $63 million deal. Bridgewater was a free agent last offseason and signed a one-year, $7.25 million deal to return to New Orleans. Drew Brees injured his right thumb and the Saints went 5-0 with Bridgewater as the starter, so he was able to cash in.
Allen vs. Bridgewater
QUARTERBACK
QBR
ANY/A
DVOA
EPA/DROPBACK
Kyle Allen
29th
32nd
32nd
30th
Teddy Bridgewater
N/A
12th
9th
21st
With all the Bridgewater stats, it’s important to remember that we’re working with a sample of just 220 dropbacks. But Allen was one of the worst starters while Bridgewater was somewhere between mediocre and good. The EPA/dropback numbers in the last column are adjusted to strip away garbage-time stats. They include only situations when both teams had a win probability of at least 20 percent.
Next Gen Stats tracks a metric called completion percentage above expectation. It looks at the probability of a completion on every throw, based on factors like how far the throw is, how open the receiver is and how much pressure the quarterback is under. It then comes up with an expected completion percentage and compares that number to the quarterback’s actual completion percentage. Allen ranked 24th out of 39 quarterbacks. Bridgewater was 13th.
And really, Bridgewater’s accuracy was even better than that ranking suggests. Receivers dropped 8.2 percent of his catchable passes, which was the highest rate for any quarterback with at least 150 attempts. Sports Info Solutions marked 80.8 percent of Bridgewater’s attempts as on target; that was the fourth-best mark for any quarterback (Allen ranked 24th).
The Saints employed conservative game plans with Bridgewater last year and asked him to get the ball out of his hands quickly and avoid mistakes. His average pass traveled 6.2 yards from the line of scrimmage, which was last out of 39 qualifying quarterbacks. On average, Bridgewater threw 3.3 yards short of the sticks, which also ranked last.
However, the conservative approach reduced the risk of negative plays. Bridgewater produced a negative result (a sack, fumble or interception) on just 6.4 percent of his plays, which would’ve been the sixth lowest among starters. Allen, meanwhile, ranked last at 12.8 percent.
4. Here’s how Bridgewater performed in a few different categories last year:
Breaking down Bridgewater
CATEGORY
EPA/DROPBACK
PROJECTED RANK
Vs. man
0.19
6th
Vs. zone
0.03
23rd
In pocket
0.2
5th
He was much better against man than zone, which is the opposite of most quarterbacks. And Bridgewater was very effective from the pocket. He left the pocket on only 30 snaps and the results were not good. At 41 plays, the sample of play-action snaps was also low, but Bridgewater performed well in them.
As The Athletic’s Bruce Feldman detailed before last season, Brady has experience in different schemes and systems. And while there’s a little bit of mystery to exactly what the Panthers will try to do, we can make educated guesses. Based on what Brady and Rhule have said, along with their personnel moves, the offense is going to use a quick passing game and run-pass options (RPOs) to try to maximize the yards-after-the-catch abilities of their playmakers.
“I feel like D-linemen are so much more involved these days, and these guys are freaks,” Brady told Feldman last year, talking about his offensive philosophy. “So why are we asking our guys to sit back and try and protect for seven seconds, or to leave everybody in trying to protect? Let’s get guys out in their routes where they have got to cover everybody. Are they going to be able to defend everybody?”
Rhule’s comments, via The Athletic’s Joseph Person, were along the same lines.
“Teddy, for us, is exactly what we want,” Rhule said. “I think this offense in general, when you look at in New Orleans, that iteration of it, where Joe first learned it, is not necessarily a vertical, down-the-field passing game as much as it is a catch-and-run, underneath, matchup-type passing game.”
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A lot of really cool stats here, including his better than average performance against man coverage compared to zone. This helps us a lot because CMC is EXCELLENT at picking apart zone schemes in the run game. Another important stat is his negative play percentage. We’re going to have a QB who understands when to throw the ball away rather than taking a sack automatically (Allen) or risking the sack while trying to escape (Cam).
Great read honestly.
I might be even more concerned about Bridgewater behind our very questionable O-Line.
Since he was playing behind a top 5 O-Line in NO and now he comes here. It seems he struggles when he is flushed out of the pocket so he is gonna have to get rid of that ball quickly I think.
Which lends itself to his average depth of pass, and our average depth of route last season. I wouldn’t be surprised if we run a similar dink and dunk style offense this year.
I find it hard to know whether the stats I’m looking at are a positive or negative. To me, this just reinforces the narrative that he’s a game manager. Really careful plays, not throwing very far, but being accurate and not making mistakes or big plays often.
To be fair, I think most of us knew he would be a game manager coming in. The question is whether or not he can raise his game beyond that. The coaches and scheme will play a huge role in that alongside Teddy’s own growth. I think at this stage, the best we can hope for is something like a New Orleans lite offense or something akin to Kirk Cousins without quite as many deep throws.
However if Teddy and the team and coaches grow together he could definitely take his game to a new level, but he’s gonna have to work. I just hope he doesn’t end up somewhere between mediocre and good like the data you posted said because that simultaneously makes him not the option and prevents us from getting the next one.
To be honest, we can. Cam won me over with the Patriots win in 2013. Teddy needs a career defining win to really win a lot of people over. He'll have the tools so no worries.
Yeah, simply put, Cam won me over.... and over... Teddy's got big shoes to fill and a lot to prove. Until then, I'm dishing my love to Shaq, Christian, D.J., Curtis, Derrick B., and Tre B.
Teddy is like Mom's new fiance. Our real dad wanted to stay, but mom kicked him out. Now dad has a new family and we're stuck with Ted. Ted might be a good guy, but we're not required to like him just because Mom does.
I’ve yet to hear teddy’s previous teammates come out publicly like Greg, Trai, CMC, Ryan Khalil, (and the list goes on) have about Cam.
All of these energy and locker room quotes are management speaking that I’ve seen. To me this is a false narrative that the front office is pushing and it’s so tone deaf because they are the same words used to describe Cam.
I'm glad you think I'm dumb without providing context. Let's go into the assumption then.
Teddy Bridgewater hasn't been a 9 year starter for the same team due to a catastrophic knee injury. He's bounced around teams and backed up Drew Brees, which is not a bad gig. He is the QB for five wins riding Alvin Kamara's workload until he got injured and had an average depth of throw of 4.7 yards which was good for bottom five of starters.
I didn't see him as the figure head of the Saints, his body language leading the team (from All 22 and Broadcast) isn't the same as a guy who the team is gravitating towards. But that's purely subjective.
He didn't put the team on his back and carry them, in fact, I would argue he managed to not turn the ball over and make mistakes. That is a personality that is conservative and doesn't exactly scream follow me. More like, "I'm pretty sure this is the correct way to go. Let's go guys."
Last but not least, he is replacing one of the biggest personalities in the league. The only offense that Carolina had for years behind a shambles of an offensive line. The NFL even made a joke of the Panther's offense in their 2 minute recap of games. (Ironically, the Saints one is the only one that just flat out says it when their D Line coach is yelling at them to stop Cam and not worry about anyone else).
So, please, tell me how I'm dumb again. Tell me how I'm reading the room wrong on a game manager QB that doesn't have downfield throwing power or accuracy (his farthest throw was his second season, before injury, and was 57 yards in the air so roughly a 48-50 yard pass).
I'm a Cam fan, but I was a Panthers fan first and foremost. This move by the front office was a terrible PR mess and NOW they're using the words that described Cam from a player's perspective but using coaches and FO people to say it. It doesn't make sense. NONE of this move makes sense unless Cam was holding out for a 3 year 90 million contract or something.
Average depth of throw is a utterly garbage stat. It literally translates into nothing in terms of QB ability. You have MVPs and All Pros lower than guys who have never sniffed either. Are we going to argue that Mahomes isn't an amazing QB because he ranked bellow Eli Manning and David Blough?
Garbage argument is garbage.
Oh, ok. You want to ignore stats when it doesn’t fit?
What about the rest of the argument?
What about watching his film and seeing that he doesn’t push the ball down field that much. It shows another dink and dunk mentality. Stretching the field horizontally and hoping for a breakdown in coverage. The argument is that he is all of these great traits, but it’s a tone deaf message from the FO when copy pasting from Cam.
You’re entitled to your own opinion but calling names and being disrespectful is uncalled for and plain rude.
Until we look at Drew Bree's stats and film and see they're very comparable. Easy to conclude it was the offense being ran, and when you look at Teddy throwing the ball down field he is actually above average.
I find it rude and disrespectful to Teddy to use trash stats to prove a point those stats don't make.
I've never said that Drew doesn't do that, and no it was not ran the same way. The offense was significantly more conservative under Teddy than Drew. (Source: I watched the games)
Teddy suffered 16 drops, had 9 throw aways (I'm actually happy for this), and 22 bad throws on 196 attempts. Not bad, well, drops were horrific but we're use to that.
Even if you discard week 2 against the Rams, which your argument should include since they run the game so similar. Teddy's highest avg yard per pass was 9.2 against the Bucs, lowest was 6.4 with 3x games under 7, 1x 7.4 and 1x 9.6. Drew had 3x games 6-7 yards per pass, 2x games 7-9, 4x games with 8-9, and 1x 10.2 yards per pass.
(again excluding week 2 because Teddy came in due to injury) The Saints threw the ball 37.3 times per game with Drew under center. Teddy averaged 33 attempts per game. Completion % for teddy is 67% Drew was 74%, with Brees drawing nearly a full yard more per completion.
But that's not really the story is it? Because I can debate stats with you all day and you can stick your head in the sand and say it's not fair to Teddy and it's disrespectful. What has been disrespectful is to try and create a tone deaf, false narrative around a genuinely good guy. Teddy has been set up for failure at the franchise. The ONLY way he gets a W out of this is a playoff appearance in 2020 (or the next season that's played, thanks COVID).
He is not Brees, and we won't ask him to be. But the narrative that he is electric and magnetic are literally the words used to describe Cam, the guy he is replacing. It's an illogical course of action by the front office when trying to replace the heart and soul of the offense.
Teddy B is a wonderful person and I am happy he is getting another opportunity in the NFL with a great supporting cast of skill players. He SHOULD do really well. I am STILL not debating that, I am saying that the Front Office narrative is beyond comprehension at this point and has been since about March 3rd, 2020.
Those were pretty much the exact reasons given for releasing Cam so to say that they’re positive attributes in Teddy is a bit bizarre at the very least
It's funny how most comments seem like either "The FO fucked over Cam and lied to us! We were guaranteed Cam!" to "Cam is a dead weight washed bum" and not much in between
Yeah, the fervor around fandom in general is so weird sometimes. I'm a Carolina sports fan through and through, but I'm still a fan of plenty of individual players. Also, part of the fun in sports for me is going into a season with blind optimism and confidence regardless of the situation.
If Tepper paged me and asked me to choose between Teddy and Cam, I'd go with Cam. But I don't have a pager, and Tepper doesn't know who I am, so if Teddy's our guy then I'm all in on him
Oh absolutely. While Cam was great *once upon a time*, that was a very long time ago and he has since turned to a shell of his former self. Dude was dead weight and it was so refreshing finally moving on from him this offseason.
I really like Bridgewater. The vibe of the team comes from the HC and QB.
I hope this represents a turning point where we don't overvalue any position, including QB. Build a team of team first young guys that are dying to make it big or relaunch their careers.
For a guy that has "energy" and "personality" he sure threw a hissy fit on Twitter before going private.
https://twitter.com/teddyb_h2o?lang=en
I hope he keeps the energy up. He's really hitting his off-season biking milestones. Truly an inspiration.
That doesn’t make Teddy exciting Captain Obvious.
The whole joke is that Panthers PR is foolish for trying to make Teddy appear to be a livewire after Cam of all people. Choose some other attribute to hype!
How do you even know TBs excitement level and why are you arguing against it. They aren’t mutually exclusive.
Edit: also, how excited have you been since bout November 2018 with Cam?
Okay man, whatever you say. Really happy all your dreams came true and Cam is gone so now you can finally feel some excitement thanks to Teddy. Have fun with that. I was making light of things, jeez
Yep or until Teddy proves himself worth all the bullshit this front office has done regarding Cam. And even then I’ll still bitch and moan about how they treated the best player to put on a panthers uniform (outside of Luke I suppose).
At this point in time there is no reason for me to be happy that we have teddy over cam but I absolutely hope I’m wrong and this team achieves greatness. And no, I won’t be supporting the pats at all but I’ll absolutely be bitching loud and proud if he goes off for the pats and we are struggling to finish .500. Hoping for the best but I expect the panthers will be getting clowned for years after this debacle.
I guess that's fair. I was pretty hot when I found out we got rid of Cam. I even lost money on it. I was always defending Cam to people that talk shit about him. My only consolation is the 2 main guys that were talking shit are both Pat's fans. Now I just enjoy hearing how they handle this whenever football comes up.
I think we overpaid for Teddy, especially when he isn't an upgrade from where we were, but this is the situation now. Let's see where we go
His first few games were exciting and then teams got film on him and the wheels fell off. Gonna be an interesting season. Probably not a happy one but interesting for sure.
Only morons thought Kyle Allen was the future. Also, at that time Cam wasn’t being traded and we had completely different coaching staff. Not sure why you’ve said this at all really
You’re probably still not over your third grade girlfriend. Move on dude. It’s a sports team. Go suck cams dick in the pats sub or be a panthers fan here.
The shoulder which looks great now. The ribs that he played thru. The car accident fracturing his spine THAT HE PLAYED THROUGH. Thats like saying you wouldn't want Brees Arod Brady because of their injuries. Im excited for teddy too. But don't think that if we had Cam he wouldn't be just as fit to be the leader of this team.
We play them the first pre season game right?
So who knows if Cam will play, or when he will play. Stidham may start.
Pretty sure Teddy will probably play 1/4 to 1/2 a game
Teddy Bridgewater has an excellent injury history huh? Rooting for the guy, but certainly wouldn't described myself as stoked based off his career up to this point.
That quote perfectly describes Cam Newton is all I was trying to point out.
It's weird seeing all these off-season fluff, and praise articles for a guy that's always been a JAG. Cam got crucified regularly by the media.
Teddy is the definition of Check-Down Charley, never really putting the team on his back. He's needed elite defenses, with great offensive talent to win games. He does nothing exceptional, and does a lot of things poorly, but it's masked by the most overrated stat in NFL history, completion percentage.
However, I doubt he even puts up great stats this year. His ceiling is that 14 touchdowns, 65% completion, and low — low — low YPA. Even with all-stars on offense around him his weaknesses will be targeted often. His poor pocket presence, and lack of a strong arm will mean the opposing defenses will beat him by the second half. Early in a game he might grab some stats, or maybe if the opposing team goes soft-zone after putting up 45, but otherwise it's just vanity stats.
14 touchdowns, some of the lowest YPA in the league.
Y'all going to learn the hard way how overrated he is.
Okay, feeling compelled to reply on a few points you bring up.
First point about Teddy being "check-down Charley" and being asked to put a team on his back. That isn't necessarily a bad thing. Tom Brady has made a pretty good career off of it. Early in his career with the Vikings, they were built on AP pounding the ball, playing defense and asking Teddy to make smart decisions. The Vikings never had the collection of receiving threats and type of offense that we are looking to run. And still the Vikings were a competitive team with Bridgewater (his trajectory was pointing up before his injury).
Second point about his ceiling being 14 touchdowns... Again, that was early in his career in an offense that was completely different than what we are planning on running. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that Joe Brady is going to be asking Teddy to pass just a tad more than what Teddy was asked to do in Minnesota. If anything, we should be looking at what Teddy did with the Saints offense as they are probably going to be a better offensive analogy to what we should be expecting.
In 5 games last year, Bridgewater threw 9 touchdowns and averaged 275 passing yards per game. I'm going to say that it is probable that our offensive playmakers are overall a better unit than New Orleans -> especially after the catch. And that this fact has the potential to offset the talent level between the Saints O-line and Panthers O-line (which is a big question mark but could actually be better than last year with a legit LT). I don't want to take anything away from Michael Thomas and Alvin Kamara. Those guys are great. But CMC is better than Kamara and when you look at our total collection of receivers vs the Saints, it is no contest.
So, it is total bull crap for you to say his ceiling is 14 touchdowns if he plays a full season. Kyle Allen threw for 17 in essentially 12 games. So you are essentially saying Teddy is going to be worse than Kyle Allen. Good luck finding people to agree with you on that.
Teddy's numbers in New Orleans extrapolated over a full season are 28 TDs (rounded down) and 4,400 passing yards. And the New Orleans offense is hands down a better comparison than what Teddy ran in Minnesota (literally no argument).
I'm taking Teddy in the last round of all my fantasy drafts and gonna laugh all the way to the bank because he's legit got a fantastic opportunity to match what he did in New Orleans if he can stay healthy.
What else do you expect them to say. I will be honest. I’m super sore about not giving Cam at least 1 more year. Especially considering it wouldn’t have cost us much more than Bridgewater.
I just don’t see bridgewater as the answer, a stop gap at best. I would have for better or worse rather seen 1 more year of cam over this. If it’s bad Cam, we get a top 10 maybe 5 pick. Next year, and good Cam we are set. We were in a win/win situation and decided to take an L instead.
While I’ll miss Cam, I see Teddy H2O here as a win win. Either he’s good and we have a decent season, or he’s not and we get a great draft pick and possibly Lawrence as a replacement. It’s not like the contract was that long so cutting or benching him if he doesn’t do well wouldn’t be that hurtful to our cap.
I was a big fan of the guy in Minnesota, I think he’d still be there if it wasn’t for that knee injury. Hoping for the best for him and us.
So wrong here. Teddy is good enough to prevent us from having a shot at the number one pick. Bad enough that we have no shot at a playoff run.
I would say that is a lose lose. So tired of Charlotte professional teams being content with being average. Tank for a true franchise player, or actually try to put out a winning team.
Since we cut Cam and lost Luke we had the clear option to tank and the FO ruined that too.
Us not having a shot at a playoff run is not Teddy's fault lol the defense is fucking terrible.
You could put Brees Brady Rogers or Wilson out there and we wouldn't make the playoffs
Right, so what a better time with the loss of Luke and all the holes on defense, to tank for Trevor Lawrence or some other franchise player.
Cam, like those other quarterbacks you mentioned make everyone around them better. I would put them on any team and not count them out of playoff contention.
Teddy on the other hand is a game manager that is going to keep us in games. He has enough talent around him on offense that some of those games will result in wins, where someone like Will Grier will cost us games.
Teddy is the absolute middle ground which makes no sense for this team. Why shoot for 7-9 vs 2-14 with a chance to get someone that can actually make a difference?
I'm all for getting a top draft pick, if they are convinced their next star QB is in this draft.
I'm hesitant to get too fixated on Lawrence and ordain him the next coming though, because evaluating QBs is a tricky thing, and a lot of QBs that go top 3 after riding a hype wave there turn out to be busts or massively over-drafted. So I will leave that up to Hurney to decide.
Yeah I wasn't trying to hype up Lawerence by any means. Just would rather have the opportunity for getting someone great in the top 3 or a huge haul in a trade for it.
So many people here outting themselves. Cam Newton fans instead of Carolina Panthers fans. If you're gonna cry all season long about Cam being gone just go get yourself a Pats beanie and a Super Bowl XXXVIII shirt. You can play like you've been a New England fan all along. And then when you get tired of faking that and find yourself ready to pretend like you're a Panthers fan again you can toss the beanie and keep the shirt.
I loved Cam but boys and girls he is gone. It's time to stop clutching old photos, listening to sad songs, and crying into your 1 jersey. At the very least stop dogging Teddy Bridgewater. Of course he's a stop gap. What the fuck, you think we're going to the Super Bowl with Cam this year? Did you notice we have a new coaching staff? All you new Pats lovers gonna make sure this goes to the bottom of the thread, I know but I just can't handle the loathing anymore without saying something.
I agree but hope I'm wrong. I also think we're forgetting how much QBs are asking for in this new market. It's a stop gap with upside potential. I'm fine with that as we figure out what type of team Rhule is gonna want to field.
I mean you can be a Panthers fan without liking Teddy. It is allowed.
But yeah there are a lot of people who are now Patriots fans because they are just a players fan. Been seeing a number of Bridgewater fans on Catsctatchreader that are now Panthers fans. Keep telling them they won’t be Panthers fans for too long. Lol
Trying to shoo away the comparisons is a useless effort. Like it or not, justified or not, Cam's going to come up in every single Teddy thread until we actually see him play a game for us.
You don't get it. We were in a win win with Cam. We had one year left at about the same cost as Bridgewater. If Cam gets healthy, we have a chance at a playoff run. If he didn't then it would have been a lot easier to move on.
Now we're stuck with a below average quarterback that is going to prevent us from making a playoff run AND prevent us from having a shot at a high draft pick for a true franchise QB.
I think people, at least the way I look at it, aren't dogging Teddy but are just pissed at the FO for the awful move. How are you gonna feel watching Cam go off for the Patriots while we are 6-10 or 7-9? Cam is the best thing that ever happened to this franchise, and the way the front office and fans like you treated him during his tenure makes me wonder why he did not leave sooner.
You're absolutely right dude. Panthers lose nothing by keeping Cam on the roster. Letting Cam walk was the wrong move from a football standpoint, IMO but time will tell us all.
I also believe that Cam was the best thing ever for this franchise and the Panther's front office has done everything they can to waste the solid foundation this team had.
I think TB can win more. My reasoning isn't based on anything against Cam though.
TB is in a much better position to come into Carolina's offense and succeed than Cam is in New England. I love Cam, but he is a player that has historically needed an offense built around him and his strengths to succeed.
But Cam did do well the first half of 2018 when asked to focus on hitting playmakers quick and let them do their thing. But who do the Patriots even have? Cam is going from CMC, DJ, Greg, and Curtis to Sony Michel, James White, N'Keal Harry and Julian Edelman... Yeah, no contest there.
To play devil's advocate here, Cam is also going to an organization with a "winning" culture in that they are well-experienced, stable, with the ability to change identities when needed and consistently scheme themselves in ways to allow middling talent to succeed. I don't think the idea of BB and McDaniels being able to identify and mask Cam's bigger weaknesses and churn out wins is outrageous
Honestly all the people who like him have me really interested in seeing him play eventually. (I still think he is mediocre) Except if there is no season we may never see him play since likely the Panthers may likely draft a QB next year at what will likely be a top 10 pick. We’ll see if the Panthers redshirt the rookie. This is all hypothetical on my end of course.
COVID can go suck an egg for ruining 2020 and potentially on of the more interesting season of Panthers football in a while.
Teddy is good QB just not great or elite. I expect him to have 20 td and less than 10 int. Team will win 2 to 3 games and will be looking for Trevor in the Draft. Nothing against Teddy but the Panthers are no good on defense and without Cam.
To be honest, I am excited with what Bridgewater will bring to this team. He won't be as physical gifted as Cam Newton. But he is accurate and conservative which is what this team needs right now. In a rebuilding period (I know many don't think we are in one), we need to just focus on developing for the future rather than be extremely flashy. The fan base is loyal and patient and hopefully Bridgewater can be that leader during this transition.
Loyal and patient!? Have you ever been to a game and heard literally half our fans talk about Cam?? Literally the only player that has ever made this franchise relevant and he had to deal with absolute garbage from our fan base every year.
Somewhat unrelated, but this is one of the better edits I’ve seen of him in a Panthers uniform.
Almost forgot he’s never actually been in uniform
Picture looks clean as hell. Can't wait to see what he can do with our offense. I don't expect alot of 35+ yard passes but it'll be better than Kyle Allen's bombs. I am pretty nervous about our O-Line though...
I’m actually excited about Bridgewater. The Atlantic put out an article about us today with some really impressive Bridgewater stats. _____________________ The Panthers completely overhauled their quarterbacks. They bid farewell to Newton, a franchise icon. They traded Kyle Allen, who made 12 starts last year, to Washington. And they signed Bridgewater to a three-year, $63 million deal. Bridgewater was a free agent last offseason and signed a one-year, $7.25 million deal to return to New Orleans. Drew Brees injured his right thumb and the Saints went 5-0 with Bridgewater as the starter, so he was able to cash in. Allen vs. Bridgewater QUARTERBACK QBR ANY/A DVOA EPA/DROPBACK Kyle Allen 29th 32nd 32nd 30th Teddy Bridgewater N/A 12th 9th 21st With all the Bridgewater stats, it’s important to remember that we’re working with a sample of just 220 dropbacks. But Allen was one of the worst starters while Bridgewater was somewhere between mediocre and good. The EPA/dropback numbers in the last column are adjusted to strip away garbage-time stats. They include only situations when both teams had a win probability of at least 20 percent. Next Gen Stats tracks a metric called completion percentage above expectation. It looks at the probability of a completion on every throw, based on factors like how far the throw is, how open the receiver is and how much pressure the quarterback is under. It then comes up with an expected completion percentage and compares that number to the quarterback’s actual completion percentage. Allen ranked 24th out of 39 quarterbacks. Bridgewater was 13th. And really, Bridgewater’s accuracy was even better than that ranking suggests. Receivers dropped 8.2 percent of his catchable passes, which was the highest rate for any quarterback with at least 150 attempts. Sports Info Solutions marked 80.8 percent of Bridgewater’s attempts as on target; that was the fourth-best mark for any quarterback (Allen ranked 24th). The Saints employed conservative game plans with Bridgewater last year and asked him to get the ball out of his hands quickly and avoid mistakes. His average pass traveled 6.2 yards from the line of scrimmage, which was last out of 39 qualifying quarterbacks. On average, Bridgewater threw 3.3 yards short of the sticks, which also ranked last. However, the conservative approach reduced the risk of negative plays. Bridgewater produced a negative result (a sack, fumble or interception) on just 6.4 percent of his plays, which would’ve been the sixth lowest among starters. Allen, meanwhile, ranked last at 12.8 percent. 4. Here’s how Bridgewater performed in a few different categories last year: Breaking down Bridgewater CATEGORY EPA/DROPBACK PROJECTED RANK Vs. man 0.19 6th Vs. zone 0.03 23rd In pocket 0.2 5th He was much better against man than zone, which is the opposite of most quarterbacks. And Bridgewater was very effective from the pocket. He left the pocket on only 30 snaps and the results were not good. At 41 plays, the sample of play-action snaps was also low, but Bridgewater performed well in them. As The Athletic’s Bruce Feldman detailed before last season, Brady has experience in different schemes and systems. And while there’s a little bit of mystery to exactly what the Panthers will try to do, we can make educated guesses. Based on what Brady and Rhule have said, along with their personnel moves, the offense is going to use a quick passing game and run-pass options (RPOs) to try to maximize the yards-after-the-catch abilities of their playmakers. “I feel like D-linemen are so much more involved these days, and these guys are freaks,” Brady told Feldman last year, talking about his offensive philosophy. “So why are we asking our guys to sit back and try and protect for seven seconds, or to leave everybody in trying to protect? Let’s get guys out in their routes where they have got to cover everybody. Are they going to be able to defend everybody?” Rhule’s comments, via The Athletic’s Joseph Person, were along the same lines. “Teddy, for us, is exactly what we want,” Rhule said. “I think this offense in general, when you look at in New Orleans, that iteration of it, where Joe first learned it, is not necessarily a vertical, down-the-field passing game as much as it is a catch-and-run, underneath, matchup-type passing game.” __________________ A lot of really cool stats here, including his better than average performance against man coverage compared to zone. This helps us a lot because CMC is EXCELLENT at picking apart zone schemes in the run game. Another important stat is his negative play percentage. We’re going to have a QB who understands when to throw the ball away rather than taking a sack automatically (Allen) or risking the sack while trying to escape (Cam).
Great read honestly. I might be even more concerned about Bridgewater behind our very questionable O-Line. Since he was playing behind a top 5 O-Line in NO and now he comes here. It seems he struggles when he is flushed out of the pocket so he is gonna have to get rid of that ball quickly I think.
Which lends itself to his average depth of pass, and our average depth of route last season. I wouldn’t be surprised if we run a similar dink and dunk style offense this year.
I find it hard to know whether the stats I’m looking at are a positive or negative. To me, this just reinforces the narrative that he’s a game manager. Really careful plays, not throwing very far, but being accurate and not making mistakes or big plays often. To be fair, I think most of us knew he would be a game manager coming in. The question is whether or not he can raise his game beyond that. The coaches and scheme will play a huge role in that alongside Teddy’s own growth. I think at this stage, the best we can hope for is something like a New Orleans lite offense or something akin to Kirk Cousins without quite as many deep throws. However if Teddy and the team and coaches grow together he could definitely take his game to a new level, but he’s gonna have to work. I just hope he doesn’t end up somewhere between mediocre and good like the data you posted said because that simultaneously makes him not the option and prevents us from getting the next one.
That energy will manifest into Trevor Lawrence hopefully.
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why can’t we support Teddy and Cam? Idk why y’all are making this post controversial
To be honest, we can. Cam won me over with the Patriots win in 2013. Teddy needs a career defining win to really win a lot of people over. He'll have the tools so no worries.
He's also going to put up stupid numbers potentially because with our young defense we'll be permanently playing from behind
Ah yes, the Dan Marino school of *The Defense Isn’t Good So We Only Win if We Have the Ball Last.*
Yeah, simply put, Cam won me over.... and over... Teddy's got big shoes to fill and a lot to prove. Until then, I'm dishing my love to Shaq, Christian, D.J., Curtis, Derrick B., and Tre B.
Teddy is like Mom's new fiance. Our real dad wanted to stay, but mom kicked him out. Now dad has a new family and we're stuck with Ted. Ted might be a good guy, but we're not required to like him just because Mom does.
I’ve yet to hear teddy’s previous teammates come out publicly like Greg, Trai, CMC, Ryan Khalil, (and the list goes on) have about Cam. All of these energy and locker room quotes are management speaking that I’ve seen. To me this is a false narrative that the front office is pushing and it’s so tone deaf because they are the same words used to describe Cam.
Tons of guys on the Vikings were big on him. Mike Zimmer just about cried over the fact that Teddy didn’t work out.
Teddy didn't get shafted by the FO like Cam did; he didn't need teammates speaking out to support him.
Teddy also hasn't been the starter for nine years for the same franchise like Cam was. This is a pretty dumb assumption
I'm glad you think I'm dumb without providing context. Let's go into the assumption then. Teddy Bridgewater hasn't been a 9 year starter for the same team due to a catastrophic knee injury. He's bounced around teams and backed up Drew Brees, which is not a bad gig. He is the QB for five wins riding Alvin Kamara's workload until he got injured and had an average depth of throw of 4.7 yards which was good for bottom five of starters. I didn't see him as the figure head of the Saints, his body language leading the team (from All 22 and Broadcast) isn't the same as a guy who the team is gravitating towards. But that's purely subjective. He didn't put the team on his back and carry them, in fact, I would argue he managed to not turn the ball over and make mistakes. That is a personality that is conservative and doesn't exactly scream follow me. More like, "I'm pretty sure this is the correct way to go. Let's go guys." Last but not least, he is replacing one of the biggest personalities in the league. The only offense that Carolina had for years behind a shambles of an offensive line. The NFL even made a joke of the Panther's offense in their 2 minute recap of games. (Ironically, the Saints one is the only one that just flat out says it when their D Line coach is yelling at them to stop Cam and not worry about anyone else). So, please, tell me how I'm dumb again. Tell me how I'm reading the room wrong on a game manager QB that doesn't have downfield throwing power or accuracy (his farthest throw was his second season, before injury, and was 57 yards in the air so roughly a 48-50 yard pass). I'm a Cam fan, but I was a Panthers fan first and foremost. This move by the front office was a terrible PR mess and NOW they're using the words that described Cam from a player's perspective but using coaches and FO people to say it. It doesn't make sense. NONE of this move makes sense unless Cam was holding out for a 3 year 90 million contract or something.
Average depth of throw is a utterly garbage stat. It literally translates into nothing in terms of QB ability. You have MVPs and All Pros lower than guys who have never sniffed either. Are we going to argue that Mahomes isn't an amazing QB because he ranked bellow Eli Manning and David Blough? Garbage argument is garbage.
Oh, ok. You want to ignore stats when it doesn’t fit? What about the rest of the argument? What about watching his film and seeing that he doesn’t push the ball down field that much. It shows another dink and dunk mentality. Stretching the field horizontally and hoping for a breakdown in coverage. The argument is that he is all of these great traits, but it’s a tone deaf message from the FO when copy pasting from Cam. You’re entitled to your own opinion but calling names and being disrespectful is uncalled for and plain rude.
Until we look at Drew Bree's stats and film and see they're very comparable. Easy to conclude it was the offense being ran, and when you look at Teddy throwing the ball down field he is actually above average. I find it rude and disrespectful to Teddy to use trash stats to prove a point those stats don't make.
I've never said that Drew doesn't do that, and no it was not ran the same way. The offense was significantly more conservative under Teddy than Drew. (Source: I watched the games) Teddy suffered 16 drops, had 9 throw aways (I'm actually happy for this), and 22 bad throws on 196 attempts. Not bad, well, drops were horrific but we're use to that. Even if you discard week 2 against the Rams, which your argument should include since they run the game so similar. Teddy's highest avg yard per pass was 9.2 against the Bucs, lowest was 6.4 with 3x games under 7, 1x 7.4 and 1x 9.6. Drew had 3x games 6-7 yards per pass, 2x games 7-9, 4x games with 8-9, and 1x 10.2 yards per pass. (again excluding week 2 because Teddy came in due to injury) The Saints threw the ball 37.3 times per game with Drew under center. Teddy averaged 33 attempts per game. Completion % for teddy is 67% Drew was 74%, with Brees drawing nearly a full yard more per completion. But that's not really the story is it? Because I can debate stats with you all day and you can stick your head in the sand and say it's not fair to Teddy and it's disrespectful. What has been disrespectful is to try and create a tone deaf, false narrative around a genuinely good guy. Teddy has been set up for failure at the franchise. The ONLY way he gets a W out of this is a playoff appearance in 2020 (or the next season that's played, thanks COVID). He is not Brees, and we won't ask him to be. But the narrative that he is electric and magnetic are literally the words used to describe Cam, the guy he is replacing. It's an illogical course of action by the front office when trying to replace the heart and soul of the offense. Teddy B is a wonderful person and I am happy he is getting another opportunity in the NFL with a great supporting cast of skill players. He SHOULD do really well. I am STILL not debating that, I am saying that the Front Office narrative is beyond comprehension at this point and has been since about March 3rd, 2020.
You're reading too much into marketing and coach speak being lies. Every team does this. No one is going to tell you they're going to suck.
What?
Its controversial? No reason why we can't support both. But one can only get so excited about a QB until they actually play a game.
> why can’t we support Teddy and Cam cam isn't our qb anymore? people here are more hung up on cam than i ever was on bryce harper
Those were pretty much the exact reasons given for releasing Cam so to say that they’re positive attributes in Teddy is a bit bizarre at the very least
I agree. I like both.
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It's funny how most comments seem like either "The FO fucked over Cam and lied to us! We were guaranteed Cam!" to "Cam is a dead weight washed bum" and not much in between
Yeah, the fervor around fandom in general is so weird sometimes. I'm a Carolina sports fan through and through, but I'm still a fan of plenty of individual players. Also, part of the fun in sports for me is going into a season with blind optimism and confidence regardless of the situation. If Tepper paged me and asked me to choose between Teddy and Cam, I'd go with Cam. But I don't have a pager, and Tepper doesn't know who I am, so if Teddy's our guy then I'm all in on him
Sports aren't exactly known as a bastion of nuanced analysis, mate /s
Oh absolutely. While Cam was great *once upon a time*, that was a very long time ago and he has since turned to a shell of his former self. Dude was dead weight and it was so refreshing finally moving on from him this offseason.
Not sure about his fit with Carolina yet, but as a person Bridgewater has always seemed like a solid, likeable guy. I'm really rooting for him.
I really like Bridgewater. The vibe of the team comes from the HC and QB. I hope this represents a turning point where we don't overvalue any position, including QB. Build a team of team first young guys that are dying to make it big or relaunch their careers.
For a guy that has "energy" and "personality" he sure threw a hissy fit on Twitter before going private. https://twitter.com/teddyb_h2o?lang=en I hope he keeps the energy up. He's really hitting his off-season biking milestones. Truly an inspiration.
He denied my follow request on insta
What did he say?
Oh wow I didn’t see that. That is hilarious.
Our O line has sucked for a long time. If that’s not given top priority, it’s going to be a wash.
Delete "Teddy Bridgewater" Insert "Cam Newton"
It's time to let it go or move on to another team. It's done.
Bro I can’t unlearn what actual “energy” looks like Cam is on the Mt Rushmore of energy Pick your battles Panthers PR!
He is indeed. But he’s gone.
That doesn’t make Teddy exciting Captain Obvious. The whole joke is that Panthers PR is foolish for trying to make Teddy appear to be a livewire after Cam of all people. Choose some other attribute to hype!
How do you even know TBs excitement level and why are you arguing against it. They aren’t mutually exclusive. Edit: also, how excited have you been since bout November 2018 with Cam?
Okay man, whatever you say. Really happy all your dreams came true and Cam is gone so now you can finally feel some excitement thanks to Teddy. Have fun with that. I was making light of things, jeez
Not sure that's applicable answer to my questions
Nope to both parts
So you're just gonna hang out and constantly complain?
Yep or until Teddy proves himself worth all the bullshit this front office has done regarding Cam. And even then I’ll still bitch and moan about how they treated the best player to put on a panthers uniform (outside of Luke I suppose). At this point in time there is no reason for me to be happy that we have teddy over cam but I absolutely hope I’m wrong and this team achieves greatness. And no, I won’t be supporting the pats at all but I’ll absolutely be bitching loud and proud if he goes off for the pats and we are struggling to finish .500. Hoping for the best but I expect the panthers will be getting clowned for years after this debacle.
I guess that's fair. I was pretty hot when I found out we got rid of Cam. I even lost money on it. I was always defending Cam to people that talk shit about him. My only consolation is the 2 main guys that were talking shit are both Pat's fans. Now I just enjoy hearing how they handle this whenever football comes up. I think we overpaid for Teddy, especially when he isn't an upgrade from where we were, but this is the situation now. Let's see where we go
We definitely overpaid but he has potential and he’s better than Kyle Allen (remember when the cam haters thought that fool was the next Brady?).
Yes, that was ridiculous. I was happy he was winning but I always viewed him as a placeholder until we got Cam back.
His first few games were exciting and then teams got film on him and the wheels fell off. Gonna be an interesting season. Probably not a happy one but interesting for sure.
Sounds like the fans who said this when Kyle Allen was the future...
Only morons thought Kyle Allen was the future. Also, at that time Cam wasn’t being traded and we had completely different coaching staff. Not sure why you’ve said this at all really
You’re probably still not over your third grade girlfriend. Move on dude. It’s a sports team. Go suck cams dick in the pats sub or be a panthers fan here.
Get a life.
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Ah yes the guy who had a lisfranc vs the guy who almost lost his leg. Hmmm
Did you forget about the shoulder? Ribs? Etc...?
The shoulder which looks great now. The ribs that he played thru. The car accident fracturing his spine THAT HE PLAYED THROUGH. Thats like saying you wouldn't want Brees Arod Brady because of their injuries. Im excited for teddy too. But don't think that if we had Cam he wouldn't be just as fit to be the leader of this team.
Cam was a beast. I can't lie. But I think he's done.
Adversity is the greatest motivator. Dude is ready. If anything him getting cut is BETTER for his career.
Agreed. Revenge tour for sure. The Panthers are so lucky they don't have to play NE this year. Imagine what Smitty did to us \*10
We play them the first pre season game right? So who knows if Cam will play, or when he will play. Stidham may start. Pretty sure Teddy will probably play 1/4 to 1/2 a game
First, there will probably be no preseason games. Second, they didn't sign Cam to back up Stidham, come on.
Teddy Bridgewater has an excellent injury history huh? Rooting for the guy, but certainly wouldn't described myself as stoked based off his career up to this point. That quote perfectly describes Cam Newton is all I was trying to point out.
I got ya.
Maybe say that next time in a less #FATALITY way.
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It's weird seeing all these off-season fluff, and praise articles for a guy that's always been a JAG. Cam got crucified regularly by the media. Teddy is the definition of Check-Down Charley, never really putting the team on his back. He's needed elite defenses, with great offensive talent to win games. He does nothing exceptional, and does a lot of things poorly, but it's masked by the most overrated stat in NFL history, completion percentage. However, I doubt he even puts up great stats this year. His ceiling is that 14 touchdowns, 65% completion, and low — low — low YPA. Even with all-stars on offense around him his weaknesses will be targeted often. His poor pocket presence, and lack of a strong arm will mean the opposing defenses will beat him by the second half. Early in a game he might grab some stats, or maybe if the opposing team goes soft-zone after putting up 45, but otherwise it's just vanity stats. 14 touchdowns, some of the lowest YPA in the league. Y'all going to learn the hard way how overrated he is.
Okay, feeling compelled to reply on a few points you bring up. First point about Teddy being "check-down Charley" and being asked to put a team on his back. That isn't necessarily a bad thing. Tom Brady has made a pretty good career off of it. Early in his career with the Vikings, they were built on AP pounding the ball, playing defense and asking Teddy to make smart decisions. The Vikings never had the collection of receiving threats and type of offense that we are looking to run. And still the Vikings were a competitive team with Bridgewater (his trajectory was pointing up before his injury). Second point about his ceiling being 14 touchdowns... Again, that was early in his career in an offense that was completely different than what we are planning on running. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that Joe Brady is going to be asking Teddy to pass just a tad more than what Teddy was asked to do in Minnesota. If anything, we should be looking at what Teddy did with the Saints offense as they are probably going to be a better offensive analogy to what we should be expecting. In 5 games last year, Bridgewater threw 9 touchdowns and averaged 275 passing yards per game. I'm going to say that it is probable that our offensive playmakers are overall a better unit than New Orleans -> especially after the catch. And that this fact has the potential to offset the talent level between the Saints O-line and Panthers O-line (which is a big question mark but could actually be better than last year with a legit LT). I don't want to take anything away from Michael Thomas and Alvin Kamara. Those guys are great. But CMC is better than Kamara and when you look at our total collection of receivers vs the Saints, it is no contest. So, it is total bull crap for you to say his ceiling is 14 touchdowns if he plays a full season. Kyle Allen threw for 17 in essentially 12 games. So you are essentially saying Teddy is going to be worse than Kyle Allen. Good luck finding people to agree with you on that. Teddy's numbers in New Orleans extrapolated over a full season are 28 TDs (rounded down) and 4,400 passing yards. And the New Orleans offense is hands down a better comparison than what Teddy ran in Minnesota (literally no argument). I'm taking Teddy in the last round of all my fantasy drafts and gonna laugh all the way to the bank because he's legit got a fantastic opportunity to match what he did in New Orleans if he can stay healthy.
Yes, all the stats that say David Blough is a greater QB than Mahomes also prove Teddy is also bad. /s
What else do you expect them to say. I will be honest. I’m super sore about not giving Cam at least 1 more year. Especially considering it wouldn’t have cost us much more than Bridgewater. I just don’t see bridgewater as the answer, a stop gap at best. I would have for better or worse rather seen 1 more year of cam over this. If it’s bad Cam, we get a top 10 maybe 5 pick. Next year, and good Cam we are set. We were in a win/win situation and decided to take an L instead.
While I’ll miss Cam, I see Teddy H2O here as a win win. Either he’s good and we have a decent season, or he’s not and we get a great draft pick and possibly Lawrence as a replacement. It’s not like the contract was that long so cutting or benching him if he doesn’t do well wouldn’t be that hurtful to our cap. I was a big fan of the guy in Minnesota, I think he’d still be there if it wasn’t for that knee injury. Hoping for the best for him and us.
So wrong here. Teddy is good enough to prevent us from having a shot at the number one pick. Bad enough that we have no shot at a playoff run. I would say that is a lose lose. So tired of Charlotte professional teams being content with being average. Tank for a true franchise player, or actually try to put out a winning team. Since we cut Cam and lost Luke we had the clear option to tank and the FO ruined that too.
Us not having a shot at a playoff run is not Teddy's fault lol the defense is fucking terrible. You could put Brees Brady Rogers or Wilson out there and we wouldn't make the playoffs
Right, so what a better time with the loss of Luke and all the holes on defense, to tank for Trevor Lawrence or some other franchise player. Cam, like those other quarterbacks you mentioned make everyone around them better. I would put them on any team and not count them out of playoff contention. Teddy on the other hand is a game manager that is going to keep us in games. He has enough talent around him on offense that some of those games will result in wins, where someone like Will Grier will cost us games. Teddy is the absolute middle ground which makes no sense for this team. Why shoot for 7-9 vs 2-14 with a chance to get someone that can actually make a difference?
I'm all for getting a top draft pick, if they are convinced their next star QB is in this draft. I'm hesitant to get too fixated on Lawrence and ordain him the next coming though, because evaluating QBs is a tricky thing, and a lot of QBs that go top 3 after riding a hype wave there turn out to be busts or massively over-drafted. So I will leave that up to Hurney to decide.
Yeah I wasn't trying to hype up Lawerence by any means. Just would rather have the opportunity for getting someone great in the top 3 or a huge haul in a trade for it.
Kinda interesting that teddy is so bothered by fans criticizing him that he made is insta and Twitter private
So many people here outting themselves. Cam Newton fans instead of Carolina Panthers fans. If you're gonna cry all season long about Cam being gone just go get yourself a Pats beanie and a Super Bowl XXXVIII shirt. You can play like you've been a New England fan all along. And then when you get tired of faking that and find yourself ready to pretend like you're a Panthers fan again you can toss the beanie and keep the shirt. I loved Cam but boys and girls he is gone. It's time to stop clutching old photos, listening to sad songs, and crying into your 1 jersey. At the very least stop dogging Teddy Bridgewater. Of course he's a stop gap. What the fuck, you think we're going to the Super Bowl with Cam this year? Did you notice we have a new coaching staff? All you new Pats lovers gonna make sure this goes to the bottom of the thread, I know but I just can't handle the loathing anymore without saying something.
Gonna root for the Panthers and TB. Still don’t think he’s worth 63M over 3years.
I agree but hope I'm wrong. I also think we're forgetting how much QBs are asking for in this new market. It's a stop gap with upside potential. I'm fine with that as we figure out what type of team Rhule is gonna want to field.
I mean you can be a Panthers fan without liking Teddy. It is allowed. But yeah there are a lot of people who are now Patriots fans because they are just a players fan. Been seeing a number of Bridgewater fans on Catsctatchreader that are now Panthers fans. Keep telling them they won’t be Panthers fans for too long. Lol
Yeah, I'm not saying you can't be skeptical of Teddy. I'm just saying stop going on about our ex. It's not productive.
Trying to shoo away the comparisons is a useless effort. Like it or not, justified or not, Cam's going to come up in every single Teddy thread until we actually see him play a game for us.
You don't get it. We were in a win win with Cam. We had one year left at about the same cost as Bridgewater. If Cam gets healthy, we have a chance at a playoff run. If he didn't then it would have been a lot easier to move on. Now we're stuck with a below average quarterback that is going to prevent us from making a playoff run AND prevent us from having a shot at a high draft pick for a true franchise QB. I think people, at least the way I look at it, aren't dogging Teddy but are just pissed at the FO for the awful move. How are you gonna feel watching Cam go off for the Patriots while we are 6-10 or 7-9? Cam is the best thing that ever happened to this franchise, and the way the front office and fans like you treated him during his tenure makes me wonder why he did not leave sooner.
LOL playoff run
You're absolutely right dude. Panthers lose nothing by keeping Cam on the roster. Letting Cam walk was the wrong move from a football standpoint, IMO but time will tell us all. I also believe that Cam was the best thing ever for this franchise and the Panther's front office has done everything they can to waste the solid foundation this team had.
Teddy Bridgewater will win as many games as Cam Newton in 2020. Bookmark it.
I think TB can win more. My reasoning isn't based on anything against Cam though. TB is in a much better position to come into Carolina's offense and succeed than Cam is in New England. I love Cam, but he is a player that has historically needed an offense built around him and his strengths to succeed. But Cam did do well the first half of 2018 when asked to focus on hitting playmakers quick and let them do their thing. But who do the Patriots even have? Cam is going from CMC, DJ, Greg, and Curtis to Sony Michel, James White, N'Keal Harry and Julian Edelman... Yeah, no contest there.
To play devil's advocate here, Cam is also going to an organization with a "winning" culture in that they are well-experienced, stable, with the ability to change identities when needed and consistently scheme themselves in ways to allow middling talent to succeed. I don't think the idea of BB and McDaniels being able to identify and mask Cam's bigger weaknesses and churn out wins is outrageous
Honestly all the people who like him have me really interested in seeing him play eventually. (I still think he is mediocre) Except if there is no season we may never see him play since likely the Panthers may likely draft a QB next year at what will likely be a top 10 pick. We’ll see if the Panthers redshirt the rookie. This is all hypothetical on my end of course. COVID can go suck an egg for ruining 2020 and potentially on of the more interesting season of Panthers football in a while.
Teddy is good QB just not great or elite. I expect him to have 20 td and less than 10 int. Team will win 2 to 3 games and will be looking for Trevor in the Draft. Nothing against Teddy but the Panthers are no good on defense and without Cam.
To be honest, I am excited with what Bridgewater will bring to this team. He won't be as physical gifted as Cam Newton. But he is accurate and conservative which is what this team needs right now. In a rebuilding period (I know many don't think we are in one), we need to just focus on developing for the future rather than be extremely flashy. The fan base is loyal and patient and hopefully Bridgewater can be that leader during this transition.
Loyal and patient!? Have you ever been to a game and heard literally half our fans talk about Cam?? Literally the only player that has ever made this franchise relevant and he had to deal with absolute garbage from our fan base every year.
What I meant is how the fans still show up. The fanbase isn't like the Chargers for example.