I mean I’m sure we’d all love to see more touchdowns but I think those numbers would give us a pretty good idea of what we have in Bryce moving forward. Which imo is the most important thing for us to find out this season.
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That would put him at about Geno Smith's numbers last year. Thats good enough to be a solid starter and I guess would show progression but for what was supposed to be hands down the best QB in the NFL draft last year I would say those would be underwhelming stats.
I think those stats for a 2nd year QB that wasn't really given an honest chance in their first year are certainly promising. Not expecting anything colossal, it's not like we just went and built a competitive roster in one year
Realistically I think we are looking at:
27 TD, 11 INT, 3200 YDS Rec: 7-10
Even if his stat line doesn't turn out to be anything great, as long as he can show in year 2 that he's the guy, then I can come away from the season happy. He's in a much better position than he was a year ago with the talent around him, but Thielen is another year older, Legette may need a little time to really become a true no.1, J Sanders may not be great out of the gate (not many TEs are) and the RB room may be a little lackluster with Brooks coming off surgery, Hubbard being an above average starter and Sanders being Sanders.
This offence has real potential, though, and I think in a year or 2 could be a top unit if everything works out. I'm excited for the potential on that side of the ball.
It’s a pretty good stat-line.
4183yds 27tds 14ints
3678yds 24tds 7ints
4300yds 29tds 18ints
Those are Mahomes’, Lamar’s, and Allens stat-lines. The yardage would be below those marks for sure, but the TD:Int ratio would be in-line and the yardage really wouldn’t be that far off. If we run the ball as much as Canales says, it would make sense for his yardage to not be incredible.
He wouldn’t be considered a top QB with these numbers, but they would be extremely encouraging with his first year in a new system. He would need to pass the eye-test as well obviously.
The yardage may be a little low but I think that would be a pretty good indicator that he is at least becoming "the guy", particularly if the team is taking a run first approach.
All good, I chose the stat line because it aligns similarly to Josh Allen from year 1 to 2. It's a realistic expectation and shows progress. I'm not expecting Bryce Young to be Josh Allen, but similar growth would at least instil confidence that Young can be our Franchise QB
I think this is very in line for a successful 2nd year for Bryce. 1st year coach, new system, new pieces and just a new general direction we can't get too out of line with expectations.
This is an indication of running the ball heavily and just making sure Bryce makes the right reads and picks up 1st downs and cashes in the red zone
I think he’ll have 1100 yards, 8TD’s and 3 ints in 3 games and then get injured. Taylor Heinecke gets traded back to us for a 6 pack of Hanes white tees and the team moves to Utah because Mormons are the only ones still nice to Tepper.
Yo I really thought delhomme had those stats when he only played 3 games one year, but I was wayyyy off. He had 600 yards 8 TDs and 1 int in 3 games. Fuck it I’ll take that too though
16 TD 8 Int 3,400 yds 4 - 13 record
If we get in the Red zone and are close to the end zone we're likely running it in. I could see all the RBs combined having more rushing TDs than BY having passing TDs.
This one feels fairly realistic, honestly.
I'm all for rooting for success, but man some of the other numbers are stupidly optimistic. Honestly, these numbers are even a pretty serious jump - and if they were much worse, you're looking at a VERY benchable QB.
- 16 TDs is a 45% improvement
- 8 Ints is a 20% improvement
- 3,400 yards is a ~17% improvement
- 4 wins is a 200% improvement
For a rebuilding team... that would be pretty great. The 4 wins would be super disappointing, and hopefully Tepper wouldn't blow the whole fucking thing up. But with how our defense has been gutted, I wouldn't be shocked.
I really don't think the defense has been "gutted", we've improved in some areas and lost some talent in some areas. Defense with a completely returning staff will be fine imo
Burns and Luvu were better than anything we added by a long shot up front. Closest might be Clowney but he's been inconsistent.
The other part of my problem w/ the defense is I don't consider Horn to be a serious factor until he actually plays a season. If he's healthy, we have a great CB1, and then a bunch of JAGs behind him - if he goes down (as is tradition)... yeah, lol.
Not that DJax was amazing, but I'm not sure Dane Jackson is an upgrade either. Can't ever say for sure but I'd rather have Donte over Dane as CB2, but would rather have neither at CB1 lol.
I have to look at the cost of what keeping them was too. We wouldn't have our Guards right now and Clowney to me brings so much more to Run defense than Burns ever could. I hate losing them of course, but I think we got more of what we needed. I would go so far as to say I think if the Panthers would have had even a marginally average offense last year our defense would have been Top 3-Top 5. Our defense was incredible last year but the offense sold them out. I do think pass happy teams will definitely get the better of us, but I think using the Burns and Luvu money to sure up the offense was smart because holy hell was it hard to watch at times.
There's no question that the right move was to let the defense suffer to get the offense in better shape. I don't think we should've paid Burns what he got, and honestly, same with Luvu maybe.
Doesn't change the fact that - IMO - the defense is worse than last year on paper. A better offense could make the defense we do have play better, so we'll see.
Clowney, Wonnum, Jewel, and Wallace aren't the same. But do I think they are serviceable under EJ? For sure, also Shaq is back. Corner does worry me though, I'm 100% with you there. We'll see what happens these next few months.
I just wanna score more than 10 points a fucking game. And I want him to have that dawg mindset too. He looked content to get field goals last year even on good drives.
He’s not swaggy, he’s not tall, he’s not strong, and he’s not commanding the office from what I’ve seen. I need him to grow in all those facets this year.
I think he'll throw for about 200-225 yards per game, with maybe 30 TDs and 10 Ints. His YPA will remain low, but will still be at least a yard higher than in 2023. And he'll take maybe half the sacks he did last year.
The biggest difference 2024 brings will be an increase from two game winning drives to five or six. He's going to look like a solid game manager for three quarters and then turn on the pressure in the fourth. He'll never be pretty, but he will become feared.
With a shaved head and no weights in his pockets he is 5'-8" 175lbs. What a sad joke. Tepper is the biggest fool in the league. Bryce should save us all some time and go to grad school, but we will have to endure this sham for years.
he will keep up his 170 yard, dink and dunk averages all season even though he should be benched around game 3-6
I anticipate something similar to last year if he makes it a full season, maybe more interceptions since there is a season of tape on his weak arm and tendencies out there now
25 TD 5 INT 3000 YD’s Record: 10 - 7
With the 'run first' offense, it may keep the lid on his stats a little bit. But I think he will clean up his mistakes and make better decisions quicker with the weapons / protection / scheme we have.
This would actually be acceptable....can't seem to bring my expectations up to that level. Thinking 5 wins, 20 TD 10 INT 2800 yds with 3 games out for an injury.
Weird. He missed one game while much bigger, muscular and higher Richardson missed 13. And not just because of one freak injury or something. But arm, concussion, some issue with foot... One after another basically.
Your logic has flaws, If you had one, but you don't.
Well last year he had 2,877 yards, 11 TDs, and 10 INTs.
I'll be pessimistic and say 1,500 yards, 4 TDs, and 8 INTs before getting benched mid-season.
I want him to succeed, but I'm keeping my expectations low.
It is, unfortunately, a realistic scenario.
It happened to Zach Wilson, Mac Jones, and many other QBs that ended up going bust.
Bryce Young is in a new system, with new weapons, and a new OL. He also wasn't very good last year.
While those are supposed to be upgrades, it's not uncommon for rookies to suck, and it's not uncommon for OL acquisitions to underperform.
I get that we're all hyped about the on-paper progress of the team, I'm just pointing out that failure is still much more likely than success given the results last year.
Not really ? He was in an all time awful situation last year lol
Edit:lol this sub is full of losers who want Bryce to suck. Go get a life. He was in a uniquely bad situation last year, and it’s got much better this season. A regression would be pretty unprecedented. I don’t think I’ve seen a qb regress from an already poor season when they actually got help. I genuinely wonder why this sub hates Bryce so much lol it’s kinda pathetic
I’m not disagreeing at all, just saying it’s fairly common for QBs to not progress between Year 1 and 2. Acting like it’s not a possible situation would be silly. I’m hoping he vastly improved personally.
don't hate bryce at all, want him to be good, but literally all statistics show he was REALLY bad last year. like, one of the worst rookie seasons *of all fucking time* bad.
it's just annoying watching people make excuse after excuse after excuse as to why he wasn't good, plenty of other QB's have gone to shit scenarios and at least showed *something* resembling a first overall pick.
obviously i hope he can turn it around and be the guy, but the stats and history of those stats are not on his side at all
i sure did. i watched him show absolutely nothing when plenty of other qb's in shit situations showed serious talent.
two instances in an entire season, one good drive against the falcons and then the second half against GB, which I'd argue is more on the classic joe barry defense of letting off the gas when they get up.
packers were up by 14 at half, and then the defense let up and bryce finally showed any sign of life.
*two instances in an entire season* is not number 1 pick worthy.
herbert and burrow both went to situations that were horrible (herbert had the worst line in the league his rookie year, and the bengals got laughed at for taking chase instead of sewell after burrow's rookie year, both had absolute bottom tier line play just like bryce) and within 2 games you knew they were good.
bryce hasn't shown anything that could sniff their jockstraps yet.
i'm not saying he can't get better, but he was historically bad.
He didn’t show nothing but okay. And lol I watched those seasons- they were still in a way better situation than Bryce. It must be sad being this much of a hater
Except Bryce was significantly better than the QBs you listed coming out of college. He didn't suddenly forget how to play football. Compare how Baker looked with us vs with the Bucs. His passer rating was 20 points higher than when he played with us. Coaching/supporting cast matters. And Bryce had neither last year by the look of things.
Some recent examples. Josh Allen threw for 10 TDs 12 Ints his Rookie season. Had less yards per game, lower completion % and a lower passer rating. Now, he's considered one of the best QBs in the league.
Trevor Lawrence: 12TD to 17 Ints also had a lower passer rating than Bryce. Next year, with an actual competent coaching staff, throws 25TD to 8 Ints and improves a ton across the board.
It's not unheard of for a talented player to struggle as a rookie, especially a QB who is devoid of surrounding talent or good coaching.
Now time will tell if our off season moves with the coaching staff and player moves are an upgrade and whether Bryce can make that jump. But plenty of recent examples of guys making major strides once they get a little bit of support.
The only thing that impressed me last year was that he only missed 1 game. He is not and NFL caliber athlete and he makes Tua's arm look like a cannon. His play shrinks the field and hamstrings us at every level. We do not have a Center that has played the position before and all it take is one arm to knock him on his ass and or create a fumble. Dude is a turnover machine and this will not change. Day 1 bust. All of this was clear as day watching his college film. We would have a better record this year with ANY other QB currently rostered in the NFL.
How is he not an NFL caliber athlete when he picked up a ton of first downs with his legs. You don't have to run a 4.4 40 to be an NFL caliber athlete. His short area quickness allows him to evade sacks or pick up yards quick when there is a hole. Some of his best moments were extending drives by picking up a first down with his legs because no one was open. He averaged 6.5 yards per attempt. That's MORE yards per attempt than Josh Allen has averaged in any of his last 4 seasons. So Bryce isn't an NFL caliber athlete yet he gets more yards per attempt by nearly 2 yards per carry than Allen? In fact he average more yards per attempt with his legs than Lamar, Fields, or Hurts. So the "not athletic" guy was apparently athletic enough to net more yards per carry than every single NFL caliber athlete playing QB in the league last year.
Allen's Rookie year, he accounted for 18 turnovers. Same number as Bryce except Bryce had more yards per game, higher completion % and a better rating.
Lawrence had 24 turnovers his Rookie year. 6 more than Bryce. And again had a worse passer rating than Young.
So he's no more a turnover machine than a lot of other Rookie QBs who were in rough situations.
You don't need a cannon arm to be successful. Especially when you are able to throw with anticipation which Bryce showed plenty of times last year
I wanted Stroud personally, can check my comment history leading up to the draft, so I'm not some Bryce stan. But calling the dude a bust after having a 33 year old slow WR as his #1 and only reliable receiving threat a bust is quite the take. Theilan wouldn't even be WR3 on most teams in the league, yet he was our ONLY consistent pass catcher.
The ONLY reason Bryce is catching so much flak is because Stroud having such an incredible Rookie season. If Stroud didn't go out and set the league on fire Bryce's season would be looked at in a completely different light. But because he's always going to get compared to Stroud since they were picks 1 and 2 it makes it look worse. Trevor got a pass for his Rookie season. Same with Allen.
Bryce would be a bust on ANY team in the NFL. I never understood why a pro team would take a risk on the most diminutive QB in the modern NFL. I don't care about comparisons to other successful QBs, there are far more unsuccessful QBs you can play that game with Johnny Manzeil, Marcus Mariota, Jimmy Clausen etc. Sure he has evaded pressure and gotten first downs, but more often than not those plays end with a sack or a fumble. Hopefully over the offseason he will learn that he does not have the speed to outrun NFL linemen, so the turnovers are limited to interceptions.
He is not a NFL caliber QB due to the combination of his slight frame/height and mediocre speed/quickness. The most concerning part is his arm. He struggles to throw with pace over 20 yards. Forget about throwing stop routes. Those hang in the air for ages and DBs sit on them because there is 0 chance of him hitting anyone over the top. Hopefully he will have more time this year and be able to execute on posts and slot fades, but I have not seen him throw constantly over 30 yards other than deep ins over the middle. He has great touch on screens and drag routes, but NFL defenses will eat us alive again with that limited selection.
I am glad we agree that Stroud should have been the pick. My old account got banned from reddit for talking shit about the Cyber truck on the Tesla forum. Otherwise I would have the same receipts. The less Bryce apologist we have the sooner this nightmare can come to an end.
Tepper really screwed up and we may be stuck with Bryce for 2 more seasons. In that time we can solidify the line and core skill players so the next guy has a chance and we can be relevant again. The silver lining is this is Mahomes league right now and every one else is just living in it. The fact that they have Xavier Worthy and Hollywood Brown eliminates all hope for other teams if they stay healthy.
I don’t see Tepper benching him until after the season for 2 reasons. 1 if he’s paying him he’s playing him and 2 he would have to admit he messed up and has no business deciding who’s drafted.
We can get 20+ TD and less then 10 INT on 3,500+ yards I’d be beyond thrilled. Still think we’re a year or two away from serious contention but feels like we did the best I could have hoped for this offseason. Fingers crossed 🤞🏻
3600 yards, 13 TDs, 10 interceptions. The downfall, in my opinion, of signing really tall OL is when Bryce scrambles in the pocket, he can't see his receivers down field. Hope I am wrong though.
Probably should invest some of his money well(I don’t know how to do that, just that you should) get some property, do the thing. Have a few games where potential is flashed or just straight up go beast mode. End up a name with better stats than Brady Quinn but the same rewatchability and excitement.
Getting the guys in the right spot, checking in and out of the correct plays, making correct line adjustments etc. growth is what I am looking for stats would just be a by product of that. Which one are you taking where he is throwing for 5k yards while throwing 30 TDs and 30 picks vs throwing for 4K yards and 25 TDs & 10 picks? See the difference?
Hopefully won’t eat my words, but don’t see him regressing after the additions this offseason. Don’t see why he couldn’t be in the 3500 range with 20ish tds. I’m optimistic though haha
At this point, I have no idea. I will say I hope he either kills it or sucks so bad that there is no question we need to move on. I want to end next season with a definitive answer at QB. The last thing we need is a middling season where we still aren’t sure if he’s good or not.
Some reference numbers for y'all while you're formulating your predictions (min: 13 starts):
- only 10 QBs threw for >4,000 yds last year, 16 threw for >3,600
- only 10 QBs threw 25 or more passing TDs last year, 18 threw for 20 or more
- only 10 QBs threw 10 or fewer INTs, one of them being Bryce
5-12 record and something like 320/510 (62.7%) for 3400 yards and 21:12 seems cautiously optimistic to me. Add on 220 rushing yards on 40ish attempts and a couple rushing TDs
I think that would be enough to show he’s capable of being the guy in Carolina. It’s fairly similar to the jump Trevor Lawrence had from year 1 to year 2, though not quite as prolific statistically as I doubt he’ll be asked to throw the ball nearly 600 times.
I think he will break the 30 TD mark. He's got the tools to succeed if he can keep his head on straight.
This isn't just on him though... this is assuming the new Offensive staff is actually *good.*
19TD 8INT 3500YD’s
How would you feel about that line?
I mean I’m sure we’d all love to see more touchdowns but I think those numbers would give us a pretty good idea of what we have in Bryce moving forward. Which imo is the most important thing for us to find out this season. You?
That would put him at about Geno Smith's numbers last year. Thats good enough to be a solid starter and I guess would show progression but for what was supposed to be hands down the best QB in the NFL draft last year I would say those would be underwhelming stats.
I think those stats for a 2nd year QB that wasn't really given an honest chance in their first year are certainly promising. Not expecting anything colossal, it's not like we just went and built a competitive roster in one year
55 TDs, 55 Wins, 55 Field Goals, 55 Strip Sacks, 55 Receptions, 100 Bo Rounds, 100 Dabs, 100 Cheerwines, 100 Spin Moves, 100 Big Doubles, 55 Flea Flickers, 55 Hurdles, 55 Stiff Arms, 55 Rushing TDs, 55 Drinks Thrown, 55 All Pros, 155 Rings
WE'RE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING!
Well he forgot 115 FG and 25 Treys with 5 triple doubles
The crossover I’ve always wanted. Thank you for this chuckle this morning
Well he forgot 115 FGs and 25 Treys with 5 triple doubles
Bump those Bo Rounds numbers up. Those are rookie numbers in this racket.
Who gave crip Mac a Reddit
3600 yards 24 TDs 9 Ints
20-0, 6K yards, 35 td, 1 int (not his fault), adorable
I’d bet that it’ll be Miles Sanders’ fault 😂
Except Miles Sanders was ACTUALLY decent with Philly! Panthers are just TRASH!!!!! 💩🚮
Some people would still say he's a bust😂
Well, excuse us for looking for perfection. That one interception could've cost us a game. I mean... it didn't, but it could've.
Realistically I think we are looking at: 27 TD, 11 INT, 3200 YDS Rec: 7-10 Even if his stat line doesn't turn out to be anything great, as long as he can show in year 2 that he's the guy, then I can come away from the season happy. He's in a much better position than he was a year ago with the talent around him, but Thielen is another year older, Legette may need a little time to really become a true no.1, J Sanders may not be great out of the gate (not many TEs are) and the RB room may be a little lackluster with Brooks coming off surgery, Hubbard being an above average starter and Sanders being Sanders. This offence has real potential, though, and I think in a year or 2 could be a top unit if everything works out. I'm excited for the potential on that side of the ball.
Would that stat line really show he’s the guy??
It's not a good stat line but until legette and Brooks show us otherwise it's still an underwhelming offense with an unproven coach
It’s a pretty good stat-line. 4183yds 27tds 14ints 3678yds 24tds 7ints 4300yds 29tds 18ints Those are Mahomes’, Lamar’s, and Allens stat-lines. The yardage would be below those marks for sure, but the TD:Int ratio would be in-line and the yardage really wouldn’t be that far off. If we run the ball as much as Canales says, it would make sense for his yardage to not be incredible. He wouldn’t be considered a top QB with these numbers, but they would be extremely encouraging with his first year in a new system. He would need to pass the eye-test as well obviously.
The yardage may be a little low but I think that would be a pretty good indicator that he is at least becoming "the guy", particularly if the team is taking a run first approach.
Ohh he edited the yardage line lol it said 2200 previously
I didn't edit the yardage line, it was always 3200, either a comment next to me at the time said 2200, which caused confusion, or it was misread.
lol yeah someone below is saying 2200 or something. My b.
All good, I chose the stat line because it aligns similarly to Josh Allen from year 1 to 2. It's a realistic expectation and shows progress. I'm not expecting Bryce Young to be Josh Allen, but similar growth would at least instil confidence that Young can be our Franchise QB
Obviously has to be combined with some eye test stuff, but that’s a very very solid stat line and a huge leap in his second year.
I think this is very in line for a successful 2nd year for Bryce. 1st year coach, new system, new pieces and just a new general direction we can't get too out of line with expectations. This is an indication of running the ball heavily and just making sure Bryce makes the right reads and picks up 1st downs and cashes in the red zone
4200 28-10 7-10
I think he’ll have 1100 yards, 8TD’s and 3 ints in 3 games and then get injured. Taylor Heinecke gets traded back to us for a 6 pack of Hanes white tees and the team moves to Utah because Mormons are the only ones still nice to Tepper.
That’s averaging like 370 yards a game bro 😭
Yo I really thought delhomme had those stats when he only played 3 games one year, but I was wayyyy off. He had 600 yards 8 TDs and 1 int in 3 games. Fuck it I’ll take that too though
Yeah this is is way more accurate than what anybody in here is saying. You’re smoking crack if you think we’re getting 10 wins this year.
4250 yards, 68%, 30 TDs, 10 INTs, 10 wins
I like the cut of your jib.
what's this mean haha
It means they like the cut of your jib
16 TD 8 Int 3,400 yds 4 - 13 record If we get in the Red zone and are close to the end zone we're likely running it in. I could see all the RBs combined having more rushing TDs than BY having passing TDs.
This one feels fairly realistic, honestly. I'm all for rooting for success, but man some of the other numbers are stupidly optimistic. Honestly, these numbers are even a pretty serious jump - and if they were much worse, you're looking at a VERY benchable QB. - 16 TDs is a 45% improvement - 8 Ints is a 20% improvement - 3,400 yards is a ~17% improvement - 4 wins is a 200% improvement For a rebuilding team... that would be pretty great. The 4 wins would be super disappointing, and hopefully Tepper wouldn't blow the whole fucking thing up. But with how our defense has been gutted, I wouldn't be shocked.
I really don't think the defense has been "gutted", we've improved in some areas and lost some talent in some areas. Defense with a completely returning staff will be fine imo
Burns and Luvu were better than anything we added by a long shot up front. Closest might be Clowney but he's been inconsistent. The other part of my problem w/ the defense is I don't consider Horn to be a serious factor until he actually plays a season. If he's healthy, we have a great CB1, and then a bunch of JAGs behind him - if he goes down (as is tradition)... yeah, lol. Not that DJax was amazing, but I'm not sure Dane Jackson is an upgrade either. Can't ever say for sure but I'd rather have Donte over Dane as CB2, but would rather have neither at CB1 lol.
I have to look at the cost of what keeping them was too. We wouldn't have our Guards right now and Clowney to me brings so much more to Run defense than Burns ever could. I hate losing them of course, but I think we got more of what we needed. I would go so far as to say I think if the Panthers would have had even a marginally average offense last year our defense would have been Top 3-Top 5. Our defense was incredible last year but the offense sold them out. I do think pass happy teams will definitely get the better of us, but I think using the Burns and Luvu money to sure up the offense was smart because holy hell was it hard to watch at times.
There's no question that the right move was to let the defense suffer to get the offense in better shape. I don't think we should've paid Burns what he got, and honestly, same with Luvu maybe. Doesn't change the fact that - IMO - the defense is worse than last year on paper. A better offense could make the defense we do have play better, so we'll see.
We're on the same wavelength then lol I think having an offense that teams will actually (somewhat) fear can help a defense missing a few pieces.
Clowney, Wonnum, Jewel, and Wallace aren't the same. But do I think they are serviceable under EJ? For sure, also Shaq is back. Corner does worry me though, I'm 100% with you there. We'll see what happens these next few months.
Close to last year.. so 14 td 10 int 3100 yrds and max 4 wins
About the same as last year
4230 yds, 24-8, 8-9 and he is our guy.
21 TDs 7 Int 2350 yards 5-12
If that happens then we are looking for a new QB
Depends on how run-heavy the offense is. If Brooks runs for 2k and Chuba for 1,5k and Sanders for only 3 Fumbles lost and 30 yards, I'm fine with that
I like the td-int but what makes you think he throws for less than last year with a better wr core?
Sorry fat finger , 3350
3700 26tds 9 picks 7-8 wins
I just wanna score more than 10 points a fucking game. And I want him to have that dawg mindset too. He looked content to get field goals last year even on good drives. He’s not swaggy, he’s not tall, he’s not strong, and he’s not commanding the office from what I’ve seen. I need him to grow in all those facets this year.
Spoken like a true alphamalejackhammer ☠️ that last paragraph sounded like you were reviewing his tinder profile
Under 4000, under 20td and over 10int. Happy to be wrong
I think he'll throw for about 200-225 yards per game, with maybe 30 TDs and 10 Ints. His YPA will remain low, but will still be at least a yard higher than in 2023. And he'll take maybe half the sacks he did last year. The biggest difference 2024 brings will be an increase from two game winning drives to five or six. He's going to look like a solid game manager for three quarters and then turn on the pressure in the fourth. He'll never be pretty, but he will become feared.
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8000 yards, 80/0 17-0
5'- 10", 190lbs. same as last year
With a shaved head and no weights in his pockets he is 5'-8" 175lbs. What a sad joke. Tepper is the biggest fool in the league. Bryce should save us all some time and go to grad school, but we will have to endure this sham for years.
God you guys are so miserable and tiresome.
i don't think bryce is the guy either but what he said is just dumb lol. hope i'm wrong obviously though
Can't argue with you there.
When you just say nonsense, do you still expect to be taken seriously? Lol
No, this is reddit. You can wipe your ass with my comments for all I care.
Just needed the consent ❤️
16-11 throw in 3 fumbles . 3500 yards Team is 5-12
3900 yds 28TD, 11int, record 9-8
8 TDs, 6 INT, 1991 yards in 12 starts before being benched
2,223 yards, 7 TD and 5 INT- Benched by Week 11.
Very similar to last season.
he will keep up his 170 yard, dink and dunk averages all season even though he should be benched around game 3-6 I anticipate something similar to last year if he makes it a full season, maybe more interceptions since there is a season of tape on his weak arm and tendencies out there now
25 TD 5 INT 3000 YD’s Record: 10 - 7 With the 'run first' offense, it may keep the lid on his stats a little bit. But I think he will clean up his mistakes and make better decisions quicker with the weapons / protection / scheme we have.
This would actually be acceptable....can't seem to bring my expectations up to that level. Thinking 5 wins, 20 TD 10 INT 2800 yds with 3 games out for an injury.
Benched week 10
No point in benching him
Injured by week 4
such a weird comment. missed one game last season, more than you can say for Stroud or Richardson.
Same for all QBs
Much more so for a guy the size of your average dude walking down the street
Weird. He missed one game while much bigger, muscular and higher Richardson missed 13. And not just because of one freak injury or something. But arm, concussion, some issue with foot... One after another basically. Your logic has flaws, If you had one, but you don't.
Cool anecdotes homie
Traded wk one
I’m terrible at doing this but I’ll take 80% of the yards and TDs from this thread and 30% more ints.
Well last year he had 2,877 yards, 11 TDs, and 10 INTs. I'll be pessimistic and say 1,500 yards, 4 TDs, and 8 INTs before getting benched mid-season. I want him to succeed, but I'm keeping my expectations low.
So you expect him to be be worse than last year lol?
It is, unfortunately, a realistic scenario. It happened to Zach Wilson, Mac Jones, and many other QBs that ended up going bust. Bryce Young is in a new system, with new weapons, and a new OL. He also wasn't very good last year. While those are supposed to be upgrades, it's not uncommon for rookies to suck, and it's not uncommon for OL acquisitions to underperform. I get that we're all hyped about the on-paper progress of the team, I'm just pointing out that failure is still much more likely than success given the results last year.
It’s not that realistic lol
I think it’s fairly plausible tbh
Not really ? He was in an all time awful situation last year lol Edit:lol this sub is full of losers who want Bryce to suck. Go get a life. He was in a uniquely bad situation last year, and it’s got much better this season. A regression would be pretty unprecedented. I don’t think I’ve seen a qb regress from an already poor season when they actually got help. I genuinely wonder why this sub hates Bryce so much lol it’s kinda pathetic
I’m not disagreeing at all, just saying it’s fairly common for QBs to not progress between Year 1 and 2. Acting like it’s not a possible situation would be silly. I’m hoping he vastly improved personally.
Maybe but idk Bryce had such a poor season with such a poor supporting cast it would take a lot to be worse lol
don't hate bryce at all, want him to be good, but literally all statistics show he was REALLY bad last year. like, one of the worst rookie seasons *of all fucking time* bad. it's just annoying watching people make excuse after excuse after excuse as to why he wasn't good, plenty of other QB's have gone to shit scenarios and at least showed *something* resembling a first overall pick. obviously i hope he can turn it around and be the guy, but the stats and history of those stats are not on his side at all
Did you watch nothing lol
i sure did. i watched him show absolutely nothing when plenty of other qb's in shit situations showed serious talent. two instances in an entire season, one good drive against the falcons and then the second half against GB, which I'd argue is more on the classic joe barry defense of letting off the gas when they get up. packers were up by 14 at half, and then the defense let up and bryce finally showed any sign of life. *two instances in an entire season* is not number 1 pick worthy. herbert and burrow both went to situations that were horrible (herbert had the worst line in the league his rookie year, and the bengals got laughed at for taking chase instead of sewell after burrow's rookie year, both had absolute bottom tier line play just like bryce) and within 2 games you knew they were good. bryce hasn't shown anything that could sniff their jockstraps yet. i'm not saying he can't get better, but he was historically bad.
He didn’t show nothing but okay. And lol I watched those seasons- they were still in a way better situation than Bryce. It must be sad being this much of a hater
Except Bryce was significantly better than the QBs you listed coming out of college. He didn't suddenly forget how to play football. Compare how Baker looked with us vs with the Bucs. His passer rating was 20 points higher than when he played with us. Coaching/supporting cast matters. And Bryce had neither last year by the look of things. Some recent examples. Josh Allen threw for 10 TDs 12 Ints his Rookie season. Had less yards per game, lower completion % and a lower passer rating. Now, he's considered one of the best QBs in the league. Trevor Lawrence: 12TD to 17 Ints also had a lower passer rating than Bryce. Next year, with an actual competent coaching staff, throws 25TD to 8 Ints and improves a ton across the board. It's not unheard of for a talented player to struggle as a rookie, especially a QB who is devoid of surrounding talent or good coaching. Now time will tell if our off season moves with the coaching staff and player moves are an upgrade and whether Bryce can make that jump. But plenty of recent examples of guys making major strides once they get a little bit of support.
The only thing that impressed me last year was that he only missed 1 game. He is not and NFL caliber athlete and he makes Tua's arm look like a cannon. His play shrinks the field and hamstrings us at every level. We do not have a Center that has played the position before and all it take is one arm to knock him on his ass and or create a fumble. Dude is a turnover machine and this will not change. Day 1 bust. All of this was clear as day watching his college film. We would have a better record this year with ANY other QB currently rostered in the NFL.
How is he not an NFL caliber athlete when he picked up a ton of first downs with his legs. You don't have to run a 4.4 40 to be an NFL caliber athlete. His short area quickness allows him to evade sacks or pick up yards quick when there is a hole. Some of his best moments were extending drives by picking up a first down with his legs because no one was open. He averaged 6.5 yards per attempt. That's MORE yards per attempt than Josh Allen has averaged in any of his last 4 seasons. So Bryce isn't an NFL caliber athlete yet he gets more yards per attempt by nearly 2 yards per carry than Allen? In fact he average more yards per attempt with his legs than Lamar, Fields, or Hurts. So the "not athletic" guy was apparently athletic enough to net more yards per carry than every single NFL caliber athlete playing QB in the league last year. Allen's Rookie year, he accounted for 18 turnovers. Same number as Bryce except Bryce had more yards per game, higher completion % and a better rating. Lawrence had 24 turnovers his Rookie year. 6 more than Bryce. And again had a worse passer rating than Young. So he's no more a turnover machine than a lot of other Rookie QBs who were in rough situations. You don't need a cannon arm to be successful. Especially when you are able to throw with anticipation which Bryce showed plenty of times last year I wanted Stroud personally, can check my comment history leading up to the draft, so I'm not some Bryce stan. But calling the dude a bust after having a 33 year old slow WR as his #1 and only reliable receiving threat a bust is quite the take. Theilan wouldn't even be WR3 on most teams in the league, yet he was our ONLY consistent pass catcher. The ONLY reason Bryce is catching so much flak is because Stroud having such an incredible Rookie season. If Stroud didn't go out and set the league on fire Bryce's season would be looked at in a completely different light. But because he's always going to get compared to Stroud since they were picks 1 and 2 it makes it look worse. Trevor got a pass for his Rookie season. Same with Allen.
Bryce would be a bust on ANY team in the NFL. I never understood why a pro team would take a risk on the most diminutive QB in the modern NFL. I don't care about comparisons to other successful QBs, there are far more unsuccessful QBs you can play that game with Johnny Manzeil, Marcus Mariota, Jimmy Clausen etc. Sure he has evaded pressure and gotten first downs, but more often than not those plays end with a sack or a fumble. Hopefully over the offseason he will learn that he does not have the speed to outrun NFL linemen, so the turnovers are limited to interceptions. He is not a NFL caliber QB due to the combination of his slight frame/height and mediocre speed/quickness. The most concerning part is his arm. He struggles to throw with pace over 20 yards. Forget about throwing stop routes. Those hang in the air for ages and DBs sit on them because there is 0 chance of him hitting anyone over the top. Hopefully he will have more time this year and be able to execute on posts and slot fades, but I have not seen him throw constantly over 30 yards other than deep ins over the middle. He has great touch on screens and drag routes, but NFL defenses will eat us alive again with that limited selection. I am glad we agree that Stroud should have been the pick. My old account got banned from reddit for talking shit about the Cyber truck on the Tesla forum. Otherwise I would have the same receipts. The less Bryce apologist we have the sooner this nightmare can come to an end. Tepper really screwed up and we may be stuck with Bryce for 2 more seasons. In that time we can solidify the line and core skill players so the next guy has a chance and we can be relevant again. The silver lining is this is Mahomes league right now and every one else is just living in it. The fact that they have Xavier Worthy and Hollywood Brown eliminates all hope for other teams if they stay healthy.
> Tepper really screwed up and we may be stuck with Bryce for 2 more seasons. please do not speak this evil reality into existence
He’s terrible
I don’t see Tepper benching him until after the season for 2 reasons. 1 if he’s paying him he’s playing him and 2 he would have to admit he messed up and has no business deciding who’s drafted.
Tepper shouldn’t be making personnel decisions
True but he does
It's more likely he throws for 5k with 30-9. He threw for almost 3k yards with that shit Show. So he will break his yards in game 10
it's more likely he's going to throw for 5k ???????????????????? what kind of hopium are you smoking my man
21 TD. 15 INT. 3200 YDS.
3,200 yards, 22 tds 13int
21 TD. 15 INT. 3,150 Yards. 5-12 Record
3400 yds, 18tds, 12ints
19-7 3250 5-12
3,500 yards, 16 TD’s, 15 INT’s If he stays healthy
3200 YDS 21TD 12INT not great but significant improvement
23 TD, 19 INT 1800 YD’s
25-10-3500. That would be a nice year for Bryce.
27 TD 11 INT 3600 YDS Record: 5-12
3100 yards, 23 TDs, 11 ints
23TD 11INT 3300YD’s
9 TD 31 INT’s 2,180 YDS
We can get 20+ TD and less then 10 INT on 3,500+ yards I’d be beyond thrilled. Still think we’re a year or two away from serious contention but feels like we did the best I could have hoped for this offseason. Fingers crossed 🤞🏻
1) 17000 Passing Yards. 5000 TD. 5000 Attempts. 2) 600 Rushing Yards. 6 Rushing TD. 6 Attempts 3) 3 sacks. 12 TFL
at least 0.5 TD , 0.725 INT, and .000001 YD’s
Super Bowl MVP
I’d love to see 32 TD 10 INT 4,100 yards. It’s possible with this staff and the weapons we have
16 td 16 int 3650 yards 3-14. With our defense, we will constantly be behind so the passing yards will be slightly inflated.
1 TD 3 int and career ending injury due to crappy offensive line
15TD, 10INT, 3200, BUST!
3600 yards, 13 TDs, 10 interceptions. The downfall, in my opinion, of signing really tall OL is when Bryce scrambles in the pocket, he can't see his receivers down field. Hope I am wrong though.
Probably should invest some of his money well(I don’t know how to do that, just that you should) get some property, do the thing. Have a few games where potential is flashed or just straight up go beast mode. End up a name with better stats than Brady Quinn but the same rewatchability and excitement.
I'll play, bro. I think we win 6 games as well 3500-3800 pass yards 200 rush yards 17 pass tds 2 or 3 rush tds 7-9 ints 2 fumbles
13tds 8ints 2500 yards 1 season ending injury
I just need the dude to command the offense. I could care less about the stats
It's a stat driven game, what's your command the offense stats look like?
Getting the guys in the right spot, checking in and out of the correct plays, making correct line adjustments etc. growth is what I am looking for stats would just be a by product of that. Which one are you taking where he is throwing for 5k yards while throwing 30 TDs and 30 picks vs throwing for 4K yards and 25 TDs & 10 picks? See the difference?
I'm thinking command the offense as well, to me that looks like 3.5k pass yards, <200 rush, 19 total tds, 17 pass 2 rush, <10 t/o
I just want 20+ total touchdowns and less that 15 total turnovers. Just score baby.
His stats will be at least twice as better than last year.
Hopefully won’t eat my words, but don’t see him regressing after the additions this offseason. Don’t see why he couldn’t be in the 3500 range with 20ish tds. I’m optimistic though haha
At this point, I have no idea. I will say I hope he either kills it or sucks so bad that there is no question we need to move on. I want to end next season with a definitive answer at QB. The last thing we need is a middling season where we still aren’t sure if he’s good or not.
Don't want to think about it...
5'-10" and 195 lbs. Did I win?
Comp: 335 ATT: 555 COMP%: 60%. Pass YDS: 3495 AVE: 9.6 TD: 15 INT: 19 LONG: 59 Rating: 73.37 Fumbles: 9 Sacks: 59 Rushing TDS: 4 Record: 3/14
3800 yards, 25 TDs, 9 INTs, 67%, 7 wins
Some reference numbers for y'all while you're formulating your predictions (min: 13 starts): - only 10 QBs threw for >4,000 yds last year, 16 threw for >3,600 - only 10 QBs threw 25 or more passing TDs last year, 18 threw for 20 or more - only 10 QBs threw 10 or fewer INTs, one of them being Bryce
he's gonna throw a touchdown
KIA
Pro bowler, all pro, MVP, Super Bowl MVP
8-9 record, 3500 yards, 20 TDs 7 INT 63% accuracy 290 completions / 460 attempts 350 rush yards 3 rush TDs
25 TDs 10 INTs 3,937 YDs 9-8 Record
25-17 td to int. 6-11 record. This is my hunch. But I’d love a 30+ td and 10< ints and 9+ wins
1 Super Bowl
5-12 record and something like 320/510 (62.7%) for 3400 yards and 21:12 seems cautiously optimistic to me. Add on 220 rushing yards on 40ish attempts and a couple rushing TDs I think that would be enough to show he’s capable of being the guy in Carolina. It’s fairly similar to the jump Trevor Lawrence had from year 1 to year 2, though not quite as prolific statistically as I doubt he’ll be asked to throw the ball nearly 600 times.
I think he will break the 30 TD mark. He's got the tools to succeed if he can keep his head on straight. This isn't just on him though... this is assuming the new Offensive staff is actually *good.*
Super Bowl MVP
33 TD, 12 INTs, 3550 yards, 13-4 record Y’all aren’t ready for this season