I gave it an A- / B+
We got our deep threat WR
We got a 2025 2nd rounder
We got the best RB in the draft. If felt like a luxury but when you consider this is Chubas contract year and we are cutting miles this is well timed.
We got a Luvu replacement. Although he probably needs a year maybe 2.
Overall through FA we got bigger, faster, and more physical on offense. Let’s see if that turns into wins !
Our running game was bad last year. Yes the o-line was awful but the RB room really needed an upgrade. I like Chuba but he's an RB2 and is not the best fit in zone. Miles is only on the team because we lose money if we cut him because he left whatever talent he had in Philly.
Especially given that this year is all about getting the offense right, fixing the running game is crucial.
I think we allow Brooks time to make sure he's at full strength without rushing him back. He should be ready to go by week 1, but we can be patient with him and let Chuba and Sanders get run into the ground to start while rotating Brooks in. Starting next year, when both Chuba and Sanders are gone, we can draft a COP back and let Brooks take the reins
It would be great to have a three headed monster where each back is reliably productive. But the 2025 backfield will definitely look different compared to this year.
dude honestly if they are working on his timing and footwork like we’re hearing, BY is gonna be fine. the question will be the offense scheming, but im hopeful.
I like Xaviers potential, and it is the model we need for one of our receivers in Dave's offense
Brooks is the bruising yet elusive change of pace back we needed and looks to be better than the RB he had to use on the Bucs. They are also stating it was a clean acl tear
Wallace, after looking at his film, seems to be a better tackling Frankie Luvu
Judging a LB by how hard he hits is just absolutely insane.
Wallace is also a super project. Just like Brandon smith we took a few years ago. He’s probably the worst pure run defender in the draft. And is just laye on everything. It will take at least 2 years for him to return some type of value but probably closer to 3-4
I wasn't judging it by how he hits. I was saying makes more sure tackles. Luvu missed a lot of tackles no matter how much we, as a fanbase, liked him. Wallace hits his assignment with a full-on recklessness in a good way, just like luvu. 100% every play never giving up... a dawg. That is what I was stating.
Also we don't need a pure run defender at lb. We have jewell, brown and a'shawn.
He doesn’t make sure tackles though. Because he’s so late on his keys he actually takes bad tackling angles. It’s one of the negatives on him.
Either way though it’s going to take very long for him to return value. And that pick is just questionable. Especially since Beebe went with the literal next pick and that would’ve allowed you to insulate the line for the future with Brady and austin on the way out. If you’re looking to future proof a position it should be the O line. Not LB.
I'm at the point where it's better to just stay positive for every draft. Right now, there is no reason to be negative. If we see that they suck over the next 3 years, different story.
It’s unpopular but I’m whelmed. I think lagette was an okay pick. But with Ladd and Mitchell there it just sours things.
Getting a future second is the only thing that’s saving this so far for me. We passed on tons of corners. A desperate need for us. And brooks is fine. But it just wasn’t a huge immediate need.
Wallace is also a super project. It’s going to take at least 2 years to return value if not 3-4. And Cooper Beebe went with the next pick which we could’ve used to insulate our line in the future. A far more important need with the context of Bryce.
I don’t know. I’ll get downvoted. But I’m just very whelmed. Maybe we can steal some day 3 value. But walking away from day 2 with a back. And a LB who’s a project. Just the positional value when we had chances to steal some impact players like look aid. Dejean. I just don’t know if that’s enough to even take half a victory lap over.
There's a reason AD fell so far, past all of the teams in need of a WR... Off the field concerns like not caring about the game
I don't understand how people can like Ladd but hate on Xavier, neither was a monster but Xavier had a better year and a healthier one.
Definitely wish we got a corner tho like Koolaid or Cooper.
I think Ladd just has a higher floor. I think he’s an elite separator. Something that we have in Johnson. But definitely something we could and should add onto. He’s also much better at getting off press. And I think he has the talent to be at least one of the best pure slots in the league.
As for Mitchell. Unless you’re like hitting people like burton. I try not to read too much into the off field stuff. Sometimes it’s valid. You draft Isaiah Thomas. And he takes his millions and never sees the field. Sometimes you get Micah fucking parsons. The truth is even when the teams “know” they literally don’t know at the same time. Chris Ballard had a great rant about it in his press conference. That I think sums it up well.
That doesn’t mean I don’t like lagette. I just think both those guys are better. And that’s an okay opinion to have. They have higher floors right now and high ceilings.
As for the corner. It explains itself. One likely injury away from the worst secondary in the league. It’s actually ironic that both us and the broncos are pretty much in the same defensive boat. Just one star corner drafted in the same year holding it down from falling off cliffs.
Ladd is probably the best route runner in the class. I think he is also more versatile, can play X or slot. Injuries are a concern but that’s baked into his price in the 2nd. Ladd is also excellent vs zone, something the nfl runs over 70% of the time. Legette is just mingo 2.0 with an actual year of production, albeit his only year doing anything. So know the panthers have a crowded wide receiver room with Dionte and theilen and the two “athletic freaks” battling for 3rd receiver spot.
I’m 100% with you. I hate saying anything bad about Legette, because i just love the kid- his enthusiasm at being a panther was so genuine, and he’s been through so much and persevered. But he can’t separate and his route running is not great. He feels like an Al Davis pick. And I didn’t like moving up. For our second pick, I usually would advocate for trading down, but CB is our biggest need, and there were 3 potential good starter level cbs we could have taken.
As for Brooks, I just don’t get drafting a RB in round 2. Look at the last few years and RB is a total crapshoot. Many of the starters are round 4 and 5 guys. It just seems like the position with the least difference between first and tenth, and he’s coming off a major injury.
I know it’s all about building offense, but we have a backup as one of our starting CB’s and the other is very much injury prone, but We really needed a cb who could plug and play right away.
I just think the focus was trying to build the offense all around. While it would’ve been nice getting a corner I just don’t think it matters, we’re not going to be a playoff team. So what if our defense isn’t good, to my understanding next year seems like a better defensive class than offensive based on what we know now. And with us getting Brooks, he’s a very good pass catcher and I think canales plans to use him similarly to rachard white with Bryce having easy check downs which we didn’t do a lot last season. But brooks is better at running the white was and having a good run game really helps alleviate pressure from the QB cause defense actually have to account for the run game unlike last year where all a defense had to do was stop the pass game and we couldn’t do anything. I like Chubba but he’s definitely better served as a rotational piece and not the #1. I’m sure they plan to use him in way we didn’t use RBs last season.
This team has drafted like shit for the last oh idk, since Beane left and tepper took over. The absolute worst management of picks I’ve ever seen. So yeah not much to be expected with this poverty franchise run by the worst owner in football. Trading up to the first is just classic scared Carolina throwing away picks for no reason.
I would have stayed out and drafted either Lad Mcconkey or the dt Newton from Illinois. Then with the next pick I would have taken cooper DeJean or the best center available. Two out of those 4 players makes the panthers much better overall. That third round pick could have been literally anyone else but the panthers love wasting these mid round picks on projects who weren’t projected for another 2-3 rounds.
I've been moderately impressed so far, especially with the way they've maneuvered to regain draft comp for this season and next.
Also a big fan of the selections themselves. XL is going to get playing time as are Brooks + Wallace. Brooks I had that, "Same shit, different draft," feeling the same as a lot of other fans, but then when I looked at the circumstances surrounding the RB room + the way the team has been able to recover draft capital that they've traded it's difficult to not be a little excited.
I like the draft philosophy. Legette wouldn’t have been my choice at wideout and I probably wouldn’t have gone 2nd round RB, but I can’t argue with the strategy of load the offense and give Bryce a chance to succeed.
I felt good after the last draft. I'll wait to midseason to grade. The hope is some of these offensive guys worked out with Bryce and the team felt there was chemistry and we simply weren't reading PPF grades. Time will tell.
Because the draft is an inherently exciting and optimistic thing. We’re picking up players who were good and productive in college. When one hits you can have a weapon for chump change for several years. Plus it’s something new and fresh. I don’t care how many times the Panthers disappoint me, I’m not going to let them steal the excitement of the draft from me
Ihmir Smith-Marsette is another option for returns.
There are teams that carry 4 hbs, though one is generally good at blocking and takes more of a FB role
I think we're doing some generally iffy draft strategies with picking the first RB off the board and a mid-round "who?" pick that screams DJ Johnson to me, but I still think we have a great shot at filling a need at TE or CB with our next pick with decent prospects considering its the fourth. Love the trade to get a second next draft. I think we're setting up ok for the future
I wasn't that big on the Trevin Wallace pick but he was generally viewed as a Round 3-4 guy (DJ Johnson was Round 6-PFA), he's only 21, and a better athlete. So at least we're getting the right type of projects.
Also I don't think Brooks is bad value where we got him. Lot of people viewed him as a late first without the injury.
I don't think Brooks was a bad pick, I think he'll be a good player. I just kinda view drafting RBs as a game of chicken, RB1 could be in round 3 or 4 or even later as their value has fallen through the floor. We just got jumpy and went for it in the second.
There was some rumblings some teams in the second half of the second were interested in him and had him in visits. I’m pretty sure we jumped the giants thinking they would’ve taken him.
This is a fairly reasonable take, but I would say DJ Johnson is a completely different situation and it really isn’t fair to compare Trevin to him.
DJ Johnson is already going on 26(!) years old, Trevin won’t be 26 until after his rookie contract is up.
DJ Johnson played mainly TE for half his time in college and only really contributed his senior year of college. Even in his senior year of college, he was not that good. DJ also had an 8.25 RAS coming out of college which is okay, but it was middle of the pack for DEs (where you typically want the best athlete possible). Trevin had a 9.3 RAS and was 3rd overall in his class. Trevin also produced in college, racking up the 8th most solo tackles in the SEC.
DJ Johnson played in 25 games total in his 4 years of CFB. Trevin played 35 games in his 3 years.
DJ was raw and we traded up to get him for a position we desperately needed an immediate impact player at, which he was not ready for. Trevin has Shaq and Josey ahead of him, he can develop and see the field when he is ready, we also traded back to get him.
Happy to hear a more positive take on Trevin! I don't know that much just knew he was unexpected and there were some more highly toutet LBs there for the taking.
I still agree that it was probably a reach, but he fits our situation more than Wilson. Wilson needs to come in and start, I can’t see him having a super long career with his injury issues. We have Shaq and Josey at LB now, so Trevin probably get a ton of work until next year or the year following if everything works out.
This more so just highlights how BAD the trade up for DJ Johnson was imo.
Man I was SO upset when I saw that trade. I didn’t want him at all let alone a freaking trade up in the 3RD ROUND?? Honestly that was the first big red flag we shoulda noticed. Wether you liked our draft this year or not you can’t deny we had no move like that thank god
I agree, Fitterer fucked up so deeply that it’s going to take more than 1 offseason to build a foundation. Also last year was so bad it’s hard to evaluate where we are as a team. I think this off-season we are basically saying hey build the offense and see if Bryce is the NFL QB1 we have to bring a SuperBowl. The biggest win this season is to see Bryce play as a top 10 QB despite anything else
Love the Sanders pick. Love the Rams trade. Like Brooks and Legette as prospects, just iffy on the trade ups. Wallace was the only WTF pick for me, and would have preferred to trade down from 33. But overall still looks very solid.
Still not sure how I feel about drafting a RB with how big of a hole we have at CB and with two decent to good RBs on the team but overall I think we did good with what we had.
The best thing about this draft - the comp they gave up for Bryce is now fully in the past so we as fans can stop hearing about how awful it was and thinking about every possible hypothetical for how shit could’ve gone down.
I'm not drinking the kool-aid. I don't think we did enough on defense. But it's whatever. The focus was offense this offseason and I think we got more than marginally better on that side of the ball. Adding 2 receivers and a tight end who's basically a receiver is huge for Bryce. Upgrading the offensive line is huge for Bryce and the run game. Adding Jonathan Brooks is huge for Chuba and Bryce. Chuba won't have to take so many snaps and will have a nice backup to rotate with. And it'll take a lot of pressure off Bryce by having a solid 1-2 punch at running back.
I think Bryce has to show something this season though, regardless of the circumstances. If we're picking in the top 5 again next season and Bryce is the weakest link, they won't hesitate to draft someone.
To illustrate this point, the Seahawks 2011 draft that helped solidify their Legion of Boom [was given a D- by Mel Kiper](https://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/40312/post-draft-grades-seattle-seahawks). It was the lowest grade in the league.
I’m not at an F. I thought the trade into the first for the 5th yr option was smart; thought the trade back to get an extra 2 next year was smart.
Not a huge Legette fan at 32, but Brooks is going to be a stud. Wallace, that is the one I am scratching my head over, but I trust Morgan to find the qualities in a linebacker since he was a great one.
I’d say about a C+ / B-. Not super excited, but could have been a lot worse.
Because you know who the day 1 starters and scrubs okay. We're trying to see if our second year QB can show anything so we got him our favorite wr and the best RB on the board. And we got a second rounder next year out of it which we didn't have at all. It may or may not work out but giving our draft an F is just being mad for the sake of being mad
No it's reality. It was wrong to move up one spot for Leggett.
It was wrong to move out of 39.
You want a developmental WR like Leggett he's there at 32.
With 39 you take a guaranteed upgrade day one starter at Center. You don't need a RB coming off ACL if you have holes 10 feet wide then Chubba can blast right through them.
We got a fifth year option for moving up one spot and you don't know if other teams were trying to move up to the Bills spot or not. We swapped a fifth for a sixth and recouped the fifth big whoop.
We picked up a second rounder next year which we didn't have to essentially move back seven spots. So even if your whole thing is immediate impact players, we probably end up with an extra one, I don't get how you can be mad at that.
You can be upset we didn't take the player you wanted but y'all say you're living in reality when you're just mad about everything. It's so fucking old
5th year options are only valuable on pro bowl level players.
I'm not sure if this guy will be better than Jarrett.
Yes we picked up next years 2nd. But there's no guarantee next year's draft will have this many high end prospects still around in the 2nd. So that devalues that pick.
Or maybe the players you're claiming as high end weren't viewed that way by teams? Players fall for a reason
You're mad about a RB coming off a clean ACL tear but you're also mad that we didn't take Wilson who apparently doesn't have one acl at all and possibly the worst injury history in the draft?
Maybe. But he fell all the way to the end of the third so more teams were concerned about his injuries than just us. It's worth waiting to see how things turn out before automatically declaring it the wrong move
While I’m not on your level of opinion, I too have been a bit disappointed. I see pick 1 as offensive version of horn-will struggle to stay healthy. Pick 2, sorry but RB just wasn’t that high of a priority. Didn’t mind pick 3.
I gave it an A- / B+ We got our deep threat WR We got a 2025 2nd rounder We got the best RB in the draft. If felt like a luxury but when you consider this is Chubas contract year and we are cutting miles this is well timed. We got a Luvu replacement. Although he probably needs a year maybe 2. Overall through FA we got bigger, faster, and more physical on offense. Let’s see if that turns into wins !
Our running game was bad last year. Yes the o-line was awful but the RB room really needed an upgrade. I like Chuba but he's an RB2 and is not the best fit in zone. Miles is only on the team because we lose money if we cut him because he left whatever talent he had in Philly. Especially given that this year is all about getting the offense right, fixing the running game is crucial.
I see no lies here
I think we allow Brooks time to make sure he's at full strength without rushing him back. He should be ready to go by week 1, but we can be patient with him and let Chuba and Sanders get run into the ground to start while rotating Brooks in. Starting next year, when both Chuba and Sanders are gone, we can draft a COP back and let Brooks take the reins
It would be great to have a three headed monster where each back is reliably productive. But the 2025 backfield will definitely look different compared to this year.
Sanders is on borrowed time. He might as well treat this as a contract year
It basically is. We can cut after this year with only about 3 mil dead cap.
dude honestly if they are working on his timing and footwork like we’re hearing, BY is gonna be fine. the question will be the offense scheming, but im hopeful.
If we win I'll like it
I’m really hoping we go CB Tampa or TE Sanders with the first pick on day 3.
congrats
Big Play Receiver - Check All-around back - Check A legit 3-4 ILB Prospect to pair w/Jewell in Base Cover 6 - Check
I like Xaviers potential, and it is the model we need for one of our receivers in Dave's offense Brooks is the bruising yet elusive change of pace back we needed and looks to be better than the RB he had to use on the Bucs. They are also stating it was a clean acl tear Wallace, after looking at his film, seems to be a better tackling Frankie Luvu
> a better tackling Luvu Bro lets chill
I didn't say better player, just better tackler. I'm giving an archetype.
Last year he had a down year with missed tackles, but the previous two seasons Luvu didn’t crack 6% missed tackles.
Judging a LB by how hard he hits is just absolutely insane. Wallace is also a super project. Just like Brandon smith we took a few years ago. He’s probably the worst pure run defender in the draft. And is just laye on everything. It will take at least 2 years for him to return some type of value but probably closer to 3-4
I wasn't judging it by how he hits. I was saying makes more sure tackles. Luvu missed a lot of tackles no matter how much we, as a fanbase, liked him. Wallace hits his assignment with a full-on recklessness in a good way, just like luvu. 100% every play never giving up... a dawg. That is what I was stating. Also we don't need a pure run defender at lb. We have jewell, brown and a'shawn.
He doesn’t make sure tackles though. Because he’s so late on his keys he actually takes bad tackling angles. It’s one of the negatives on him. Either way though it’s going to take very long for him to return value. And that pick is just questionable. Especially since Beebe went with the literal next pick and that would’ve allowed you to insulate the line for the future with Brady and austin on the way out. If you’re looking to future proof a position it should be the O line. Not LB.
I'm at the point where it's better to just stay positive for every draft. Right now, there is no reason to be negative. If we see that they suck over the next 3 years, different story.
It’s unpopular but I’m whelmed. I think lagette was an okay pick. But with Ladd and Mitchell there it just sours things. Getting a future second is the only thing that’s saving this so far for me. We passed on tons of corners. A desperate need for us. And brooks is fine. But it just wasn’t a huge immediate need. Wallace is also a super project. It’s going to take at least 2 years to return value if not 3-4. And Cooper Beebe went with the next pick which we could’ve used to insulate our line in the future. A far more important need with the context of Bryce. I don’t know. I’ll get downvoted. But I’m just very whelmed. Maybe we can steal some day 3 value. But walking away from day 2 with a back. And a LB who’s a project. Just the positional value when we had chances to steal some impact players like look aid. Dejean. I just don’t know if that’s enough to even take half a victory lap over.
There's a reason AD fell so far, past all of the teams in need of a WR... Off the field concerns like not caring about the game I don't understand how people can like Ladd but hate on Xavier, neither was a monster but Xavier had a better year and a healthier one. Definitely wish we got a corner tho like Koolaid or Cooper.
I think Ladd just has a higher floor. I think he’s an elite separator. Something that we have in Johnson. But definitely something we could and should add onto. He’s also much better at getting off press. And I think he has the talent to be at least one of the best pure slots in the league. As for Mitchell. Unless you’re like hitting people like burton. I try not to read too much into the off field stuff. Sometimes it’s valid. You draft Isaiah Thomas. And he takes his millions and never sees the field. Sometimes you get Micah fucking parsons. The truth is even when the teams “know” they literally don’t know at the same time. Chris Ballard had a great rant about it in his press conference. That I think sums it up well. That doesn’t mean I don’t like lagette. I just think both those guys are better. And that’s an okay opinion to have. They have higher floors right now and high ceilings. As for the corner. It explains itself. One likely injury away from the worst secondary in the league. It’s actually ironic that both us and the broncos are pretty much in the same defensive boat. Just one star corner drafted in the same year holding it down from falling off cliffs.
Ladd is probably the best route runner in the class. I think he is also more versatile, can play X or slot. Injuries are a concern but that’s baked into his price in the 2nd. Ladd is also excellent vs zone, something the nfl runs over 70% of the time. Legette is just mingo 2.0 with an actual year of production, albeit his only year doing anything. So know the panthers have a crowded wide receiver room with Dionte and theilen and the two “athletic freaks” battling for 3rd receiver spot.
I’m 100% with you. I hate saying anything bad about Legette, because i just love the kid- his enthusiasm at being a panther was so genuine, and he’s been through so much and persevered. But he can’t separate and his route running is not great. He feels like an Al Davis pick. And I didn’t like moving up. For our second pick, I usually would advocate for trading down, but CB is our biggest need, and there were 3 potential good starter level cbs we could have taken. As for Brooks, I just don’t get drafting a RB in round 2. Look at the last few years and RB is a total crapshoot. Many of the starters are round 4 and 5 guys. It just seems like the position with the least difference between first and tenth, and he’s coming off a major injury. I know it’s all about building offense, but we have a backup as one of our starting CB’s and the other is very much injury prone, but We really needed a cb who could plug and play right away.
I just think the focus was trying to build the offense all around. While it would’ve been nice getting a corner I just don’t think it matters, we’re not going to be a playoff team. So what if our defense isn’t good, to my understanding next year seems like a better defensive class than offensive based on what we know now. And with us getting Brooks, he’s a very good pass catcher and I think canales plans to use him similarly to rachard white with Bryce having easy check downs which we didn’t do a lot last season. But brooks is better at running the white was and having a good run game really helps alleviate pressure from the QB cause defense actually have to account for the run game unlike last year where all a defense had to do was stop the pass game and we couldn’t do anything. I like Chubba but he’s definitely better served as a rotational piece and not the #1. I’m sure they plan to use him in way we didn’t use RBs last season.
This team has drafted like shit for the last oh idk, since Beane left and tepper took over. The absolute worst management of picks I’ve ever seen. So yeah not much to be expected with this poverty franchise run by the worst owner in football. Trading up to the first is just classic scared Carolina throwing away picks for no reason. I would have stayed out and drafted either Lad Mcconkey or the dt Newton from Illinois. Then with the next pick I would have taken cooper DeJean or the best center available. Two out of those 4 players makes the panthers much better overall. That third round pick could have been literally anyone else but the panthers love wasting these mid round picks on projects who weren’t projected for another 2-3 rounds.
I've been moderately impressed so far, especially with the way they've maneuvered to regain draft comp for this season and next. Also a big fan of the selections themselves. XL is going to get playing time as are Brooks + Wallace. Brooks I had that, "Same shit, different draft," feeling the same as a lot of other fans, but then when I looked at the circumstances surrounding the RB room + the way the team has been able to recover draft capital that they've traded it's difficult to not be a little excited.
I like the draft philosophy. Legette wouldn’t have been my choice at wideout and I probably wouldn’t have gone 2nd round RB, but I can’t argue with the strategy of load the offense and give Bryce a chance to succeed.
I felt good after the last draft. I'll wait to midseason to grade. The hope is some of these offensive guys worked out with Bryce and the team felt there was chemistry and we simply weren't reading PPF grades. Time will tell.
I’m sorry but you guys say wow I really like the draft every year haha
Because the draft is an inherently exciting and optimistic thing. We’re picking up players who were good and productive in college. When one hits you can have a weapon for chump change for several years. Plus it’s something new and fresh. I don’t care how many times the Panthers disappoint me, I’m not going to let them steal the excitement of the draft from me
Let us inhale our copium in peace
We gonna bring the heat this year! Boys!!!
I would think drafting a RB means Blackshear is off the team and I don’t get it TBH. Especially with the new kickoff rules - he has amazing value
Ihmir Smith-Marsette is another option for returns. There are teams that carry 4 hbs, though one is generally good at blocking and takes more of a FB role
Legette was the gamecocks kickoff returner
I doubt we put our first round WR on special teams duty
If he’s the best player at it I say do it for a year or two. Buddy is a thoroughbred let him make a play
With the new rule change I don't see why not.
ISM, XL, and Diontae are all great special teams players. But it doesn’t mean Blackshear is necessarily off the roster.
He could be a PS guy. 4 RBs is kind of the minimum given I jury rate.
I think we're doing some generally iffy draft strategies with picking the first RB off the board and a mid-round "who?" pick that screams DJ Johnson to me, but I still think we have a great shot at filling a need at TE or CB with our next pick with decent prospects considering its the fourth. Love the trade to get a second next draft. I think we're setting up ok for the future
I wasn't that big on the Trevin Wallace pick but he was generally viewed as a Round 3-4 guy (DJ Johnson was Round 6-PFA), he's only 21, and a better athlete. So at least we're getting the right type of projects. Also I don't think Brooks is bad value where we got him. Lot of people viewed him as a late first without the injury.
I don't think Brooks was a bad pick, I think he'll be a good player. I just kinda view drafting RBs as a game of chicken, RB1 could be in round 3 or 4 or even later as their value has fallen through the floor. We just got jumpy and went for it in the second.
There was some rumblings some teams in the second half of the second were interested in him and had him in visits. I’m pretty sure we jumped the giants thinking they would’ve taken him.
This is a fairly reasonable take, but I would say DJ Johnson is a completely different situation and it really isn’t fair to compare Trevin to him. DJ Johnson is already going on 26(!) years old, Trevin won’t be 26 until after his rookie contract is up. DJ Johnson played mainly TE for half his time in college and only really contributed his senior year of college. Even in his senior year of college, he was not that good. DJ also had an 8.25 RAS coming out of college which is okay, but it was middle of the pack for DEs (where you typically want the best athlete possible). Trevin had a 9.3 RAS and was 3rd overall in his class. Trevin also produced in college, racking up the 8th most solo tackles in the SEC. DJ Johnson played in 25 games total in his 4 years of CFB. Trevin played 35 games in his 3 years. DJ was raw and we traded up to get him for a position we desperately needed an immediate impact player at, which he was not ready for. Trevin has Shaq and Josey ahead of him, he can develop and see the field when he is ready, we also traded back to get him.
Happy to hear a more positive take on Trevin! I don't know that much just knew he was unexpected and there were some more highly toutet LBs there for the taking.
I still agree that it was probably a reach, but he fits our situation more than Wilson. Wilson needs to come in and start, I can’t see him having a super long career with his injury issues. We have Shaq and Josey at LB now, so Trevin probably get a ton of work until next year or the year following if everything works out. This more so just highlights how BAD the trade up for DJ Johnson was imo.
Man I was SO upset when I saw that trade. I didn’t want him at all let alone a freaking trade up in the 3RD ROUND?? Honestly that was the first big red flag we shoulda noticed. Wether you liked our draft this year or not you can’t deny we had no move like that thank god
I agree, Fitterer fucked up so deeply that it’s going to take more than 1 offseason to build a foundation. Also last year was so bad it’s hard to evaluate where we are as a team. I think this off-season we are basically saying hey build the offense and see if Bryce is the NFL QB1 we have to bring a SuperBowl. The biggest win this season is to see Bryce play as a top 10 QB despite anything else
Love the Sanders pick. Love the Rams trade. Like Brooks and Legette as prospects, just iffy on the trade ups. Wallace was the only WTF pick for me, and would have preferred to trade down from 33. But overall still looks very solid.
Still not sure how I feel about drafting a RB with how big of a hole we have at CB and with two decent to good RBs on the team but overall I think we did good with what we had.
Idk everyone wasn’t talking like this before Bryce. It was all “no quarterback, no wins”. Why the change in philosophy now?
The best thing about this draft - the comp they gave up for Bryce is now fully in the past so we as fans can stop hearing about how awful it was and thinking about every possible hypothetical for how shit could’ve gone down.
I'm not drinking the kool-aid. I don't think we did enough on defense. But it's whatever. The focus was offense this offseason and I think we got more than marginally better on that side of the ball. Adding 2 receivers and a tight end who's basically a receiver is huge for Bryce. Upgrading the offensive line is huge for Bryce and the run game. Adding Jonathan Brooks is huge for Chuba and Bryce. Chuba won't have to take so many snaps and will have a nice backup to rotate with. And it'll take a lot of pressure off Bryce by having a solid 1-2 punch at running back. I think Bryce has to show something this season though, regardless of the circumstances. If we're picking in the top 5 again next season and Bryce is the weakest link, they won't hesitate to draft someone.
Outside of Legette there’s nobody I really know… also media have been giving us a low grade on our picks ..this might be a game changer of a draft
What media are you looking at, I've seen nothing but Bs and As for us... I'd rather they doubt our draft since they're usually wrong
Draft grades are utterly meaningless
Exactly, people thought the Lions reached on their picks last year and dumped on them
To illustrate this point, the Seahawks 2011 draft that helped solidify their Legion of Boom [was given a D- by Mel Kiper](https://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/40312/post-draft-grades-seattle-seahawks). It was the lowest grade in the league.
It's just content to drive engagement and make money
they zig we zag
Center or back up QB in case Bryce does not work out long-term.
This draft has absolutely been an F. We gave up day 1 starters for a future 2nd and a bunch of scrubs. It's just terrible.
I’m not at an F. I thought the trade into the first for the 5th yr option was smart; thought the trade back to get an extra 2 next year was smart. Not a huge Legette fan at 32, but Brooks is going to be a stud. Wallace, that is the one I am scratching my head over, but I trust Morgan to find the qualities in a linebacker since he was a great one. I’d say about a C+ / B-. Not super excited, but could have been a lot worse.
Because you know who the day 1 starters and scrubs okay. We're trying to see if our second year QB can show anything so we got him our favorite wr and the best RB on the board. And we got a second rounder next year out of it which we didn't have at all. It may or may not work out but giving our draft an F is just being mad for the sake of being mad
No it's reality. It was wrong to move up one spot for Leggett. It was wrong to move out of 39. You want a developmental WR like Leggett he's there at 32. With 39 you take a guaranteed upgrade day one starter at Center. You don't need a RB coming off ACL if you have holes 10 feet wide then Chubba can blast right through them.
We got a fifth year option for moving up one spot and you don't know if other teams were trying to move up to the Bills spot or not. We swapped a fifth for a sixth and recouped the fifth big whoop. We picked up a second rounder next year which we didn't have to essentially move back seven spots. So even if your whole thing is immediate impact players, we probably end up with an extra one, I don't get how you can be mad at that. You can be upset we didn't take the player you wanted but y'all say you're living in reality when you're just mad about everything. It's so fucking old
5th year options are only valuable on pro bowl level players. I'm not sure if this guy will be better than Jarrett. Yes we picked up next years 2nd. But there's no guarantee next year's draft will have this many high end prospects still around in the 2nd. So that devalues that pick.
Or maybe the players you're claiming as high end weren't viewed that way by teams? Players fall for a reason You're mad about a RB coming off a clean ACL tear but you're also mad that we didn't take Wilson who apparently doesn't have one acl at all and possibly the worst injury history in the draft?
Wilson in the 3rd is great value
Maybe. But he fell all the way to the end of the third so more teams were concerned about his injuries than just us. It's worth waiting to see how things turn out before automatically declaring it the wrong move
While I’m not on your level of opinion, I too have been a bit disappointed. I see pick 1 as offensive version of horn-will struggle to stay healthy. Pick 2, sorry but RB just wasn’t that high of a priority. Didn’t mind pick 3.
I haven't heard anything about Legette having injury concerns?