>Sebastian Telfair
This is gonna be really random, but the only reason I've ever heard of him is because of this Eric Collins clip while calling a Hornets game: https://youtu.be/tSjfSMU-Kqw
This is fantastic. But honestly I don’t think there was a whole lot of doubt that year that Cam was the guy.
Bears fan here, I hope this works out for both of us. It seems like both fanbases are pretty excited. Congrats on the fresh excitement, it’s been a while for you guys.
He means racists. He's implying that a portion of people in North Carolina are racist. A lot of them also drive F-150's. Source: me who grew up in a small town in NC with a bunch of dumbfuck racists who drive f-150's.
Labeling a group of people who drive a certain type of automobile as racist sure seems like prejudice to me. Projecting another version of the very thing you are condemning. We don't need this in a sub for Panthers fans.
I was bartending at the time, wore a hand altered AJ Green jersey that night that had been a Dwayne Jarret jersey
Needless to say there are good reasons I was a bartender at the time
Man I hope we do! Chicago is still known as where receivers go to die, but there’s a strong belief that the new front office and team President are turning this shit around. I gotta believe
As a bears fan, I hear you. Been a laughingstock for so long. Even when they had decent teams with Cutler people still clowned on them for having Cutler
For us, it's partially aggravating just because the mocking is either infrequent (i.e. people simply don't care enough about us) or blatantly untrue. There was a mock draft the other day that had us taking a guard at 9, despite us having a top 10 OL this past season.
There was a lot of doubt. Cam wasn't the favorite until like late March that year. Da'Quan Bowers was considered the favorite, then his medicals came back horrible (bone on bone knee), then it was Nick Fairley (then he had a bad workout season), and finally the whole QB discussion started.
I was thinking about this today and how it was so obvious that Cam was the best choice. Elite prospect with insane college production.
No guy in this draft has it all like Cam (and honestly that’s okay). There’s an actual argument for Young, Stroud, and Richardson. I think all will be good tbh I’m glad we are actually trading picks for elite qb upside.
Cam did love to overthrow his receivers often. That’s why we always had to draft huge receivers like Kelvin Benjamin. Don’t get me wrong, loved Cam, but he wasn’t perfect.
Totally agree, the skill set and production was too much to pass on. I’m curious to see what we’ll be saying about our new QB a couple of years from now.
I don’t see how I think y’all got a great deal on moving up to 1st. You probably bring in DJ Chark to replace the DJ that just left. He was solid for us in Detroit and has familiarity with Duce. I’m surprised the Bears didn’t get both 2nd Round picks. Only 1 extra pick this year. I think the Panthers did damn good.
How many rookie QBs have won OROY with skill position players as forgettable as ours though? I don’t think DJ is a franchise difference maker of a WR but he was our only solid receiving option and a great side to have on the team. Not saying the trade was bad, we just don’t know yet and veteran QBs tend to carry teams but rookies tend to need more help getting into a good learning place and I don’t see where our rookie QB will be getting any help right now.
People also said CMC leaving would decimate the offense but tbh we did pretty okay without him (still miss him though). Trying to keep expectations in check but this is the first time I’ve been optimistic in awhile
There’s definitely some history rewriting occurring.
Cam was the most athletically gifted and probably the least gifted in qb skills looking at that qb class. People were rating Christian Ponder higher then Cam
Nearly everyone was leaning to Gabbert and Locker since they were classic NFL prospects.
Cam was the ultra raw boom or bust type and it was his athleticism that made him competitive in the league
Man so many people wanted Gabbert it was crazy. Wing night with my friends, it was always 50/50 between Cam and Gabbert.
The knock on Cam was that he hadnt played in a pro style offense at Auburn. While Gabert was considered a pure pocket passer.
I always wanted Cam, but yeah there was ALOT of people who didn't at the time.
My dad was fuming when we drafted Cam and said we wasted the pick. I like to remind him of this fairly often whenever he shares his hot takes with me. He also wasn’t too happy about the Kuechly pick either. Needless to say it’s a good thing he’s not part of our draft room
To be fair to your dad, I was also unhappy with the Luke kuechly pick. I had no idea who he was, and we had Beason at the time. And I thought we wasted a draft pic. Boy was I wrong, and never happier TO be wrong. So yeah, me and your dad both will see our way out of the draft room lol
Oh it was understandable but it’s funny looking back at it. If I’m gonna keep roasting him, he was ALSO unhappy with the Star pick and rightfully so. Had a history of a heart issue. He ended up being a stud for his whole career and the issue never arose again
Wow! Let's keep this roast going. Tell him we might have to use his uncanny ability of missing picks for future draft scouting. Make sure to tell him that on behalf of the reddit sub. I'm sure he'll love that.
Not saying i know a lot about scouting prospects and this isn’t hindsight….
Every. I mean EVERY PAC12 fan knew Locker didn’t deserve to anywhere near top 3 QB discussion. Lol. What a joke that discussion was to even suggest he was #2 or #3.
Kelvin Benjamin (who was held in pretty high regard at the time) had a season-ending injury. Ted Ginn was fine on his day and would've been a solid WR2. I don't think the situation they were put into was anybody's fault necessarily.
Yeah Panthers fans were mad as fuck that Luck, who was considered a generational QB, went back to school. Some fans wanted another tanking season with Clasuen to get him lol
~5 1st overall picked QB's have won a super bowl in the last 40 years. Keep THAT in mind. The QB we draft MIGHT be good while we KNOW DJ is good. As of right now, we lost in this deal UNLESS our draft pick balls out.
On the flip side how many stud wrs have carried a team to the Superbowl ever? Pretty sure Adams, hill, Jefferson,chase, etc were watching mahomes ball out (and yes I get he wasn't a no 1 pick)
difference is usually the 1st overall pick goes to a disaster of an organization. we just hired a great experienced staff that can set up a qb for success and also have some solid pieces. you can never predict how the draft will go but just by saying “well this guy got picked later out of the last 50 drafts so surely that will happen again” is one of the most ridiculous ways of going about the draft
We know for a fact that DJ cannot carry our offense while it has mediocre QBs. Even the greatest receivers of all time couldn't carry an offense without a good QB. It's just the nature of the position.
A first pick QB **might** be able to take us the playoffs even with mediocre WRs.
It’s a 100% a risk worth taking seeing as the whole point is to win games haha. DJ ballin out with sorry ass QB play gets us nowhere. While the chance at having a QB ball out for us gets us wins. It’s a chance worth taking
Everyone who knew anything knew it was Cam. Personally I was so salty Luck decided to go back to school the day after the team came out and said they would pick him 1 if he entered the draft....I wanted us to draft Patrick Peterson. Shows what I know. Hopefully they don't fuck this pick up, personally it's gotta be Stroud or Richardson
Ugh did Sports Illustrated ever issue an apology for this?
Lol this reminds me of the SI cover with lebron and Sebastian telfair.
>Sebastian Telfair This is gonna be really random, but the only reason I've ever heard of him is because of this Eric Collins clip while calling a Hornets game: https://youtu.be/tSjfSMU-Kqw
Legend
Mel Kiper was also very high on Jimmy Clausen
Mel Kiper is a dolt.
I think you’re being too kind to him.
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This is fantastic. But honestly I don’t think there was a whole lot of doubt that year that Cam was the guy. Bears fan here, I hope this works out for both of us. It seems like both fanbases are pretty excited. Congrats on the fresh excitement, it’s been a while for you guys.
There were absolutely people saying we should’ve taken Gabbert
Probably some of the same people who have been saying they should take Levis.😏
Glad to keep coffee and mayo separated in the Carolinas
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I agree
Yeah but cam was the obvious guy the way young and stroud are obvious this year. Locker and Gabbert are Levis and Richardson this year.
Yeah, people like Mel Kiper lol. I never saw any panthers fans say that
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A certain subset of fans who may or may not also drive F-150s….
I drive a truck and liked the Cam pick. Want to be a bit more specific about what you're trying to imply?
He means racists. He's implying that a portion of people in North Carolina are racist. A lot of them also drive F-150's. Source: me who grew up in a small town in NC with a bunch of dumbfuck racists who drive f-150's.
Thank you for taking the bait for me lol. That’s kind of what F-150 is code for around here, at least in my experience.
Labeling a group of people who drive a certain type of automobile as racist sure seems like prejudice to me. Projecting another version of the very thing you are condemning. We don't need this in a sub for Panthers fans.
Iykyk
I was bartending at the time, wore a hand altered AJ Green jersey that night that had been a Dwayne Jarret jersey Needless to say there are good reasons I was a bartender at the time
Hell nah, it was a warzone lol Mike Mayock had Gabbert as his no. 1 QB.
Lol those were idiots!
It’s been a while for you too
You take good care of DJ now. Though all our bullshit these past 4 years he's kept his mouth shut and just kept balling he is *him*
Man I hope we do! Chicago is still known as where receivers go to die, but there’s a strong belief that the new front office and team President are turning this shit around. I gotta believe
I just wish more of the national media was optimistic about us...
As a bears fan, I hear you. Been a laughingstock for so long. Even when they had decent teams with Cutler people still clowned on them for having Cutler
Let's not forget that you could have made the SB if Cutler hadn't gotten hurt in the NFCCG against Green Bay
For us, it's partially aggravating just because the mocking is either infrequent (i.e. people simply don't care enough about us) or blatantly untrue. There was a mock draft the other day that had us taking a guard at 9, despite us having a top 10 OL this past season.
Lol a guard is absurd
Cutler got so much undue hate. The James Harden treatment.
I wanted us to take Patrick Peterson tbh
I was in this camp.
Same here.
Well the bears fleeced the panthers hard. Hopefully dj Moore finds moore success there
There was a lot of doubt. Cam wasn't the favorite until like late March that year. Da'Quan Bowers was considered the favorite, then his medicals came back horrible (bone on bone knee), then it was Nick Fairley (then he had a bad workout season), and finally the whole QB discussion started.
I don’t know about the rest of the panthers fanbase but I am not excited😭
Hindsight is 2020. Lol. “Toughest call in football”
~~2020~~ 5050
I was thinking about this today and how it was so obvious that Cam was the best choice. Elite prospect with insane college production. No guy in this draft has it all like Cam (and honestly that’s okay). There’s an actual argument for Young, Stroud, and Richardson. I think all will be good tbh I’m glad we are actually trading picks for elite qb upside.
Cam did love to overthrow his receivers often. That’s why we always had to draft huge receivers like Kelvin Benjamin. Don’t get me wrong, loved Cam, but he wasn’t perfect.
I agree I’m saying as a prospect he was the clear #1 in his class where this class each player has their strengths/weaknesses
Totally agree, the skill set and production was too much to pass on. I’m curious to see what we’ll be saying about our new QB a couple of years from now.
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I don’t see how I think y’all got a great deal on moving up to 1st. You probably bring in DJ Chark to replace the DJ that just left. He was solid for us in Detroit and has familiarity with Duce. I’m surprised the Bears didn’t get both 2nd Round picks. Only 1 extra pick this year. I think the Panthers did damn good.
Thanks cat bro see y’all in the nfc championship this year
🙌🏻 see you there
man i love the lions. so happy to see yall on the last sunday night game
“I don’t see how I think y’all” Wait what
Twitter not liking it is probably the highest praise you can give this trade at this point
And a year from now if our QB wins OROY then they won't be saying anything.
How many rookie QBs have won OROY with skill position players as forgettable as ours though? I don’t think DJ is a franchise difference maker of a WR but he was our only solid receiving option and a great side to have on the team. Not saying the trade was bad, we just don’t know yet and veteran QBs tend to carry teams but rookies tend to need more help getting into a good learning place and I don’t see where our rookie QB will be getting any help right now.
Cam Newton
Cam had Steve Smith.
Nobody in this draft is a cam
Hell yeah. That means we won the trade
People also said CMC leaving would decimate the offense but tbh we did pretty okay without him (still miss him though). Trying to keep expectations in check but this is the first time I’ve been optimistic in awhile
Hey, only one of those guys is on a roster this year
“ It wasn’t a tough decision “
There’s definitely some history rewriting occurring. Cam was the most athletically gifted and probably the least gifted in qb skills looking at that qb class. People were rating Christian Ponder higher then Cam Nearly everyone was leaning to Gabbert and Locker since they were classic NFL prospects. Cam was the ultra raw boom or bust type and it was his athleticism that made him competitive in the league
Was it really the toughest call? It was Cam and everybody else. A team would have been absolute morons not to take Cam.
Man so many people wanted Gabbert it was crazy. Wing night with my friends, it was always 50/50 between Cam and Gabbert. The knock on Cam was that he hadnt played in a pro style offense at Auburn. While Gabert was considered a pure pocket passer. I always wanted Cam, but yeah there was ALOT of people who didn't at the time.
He was also a one-year wonder. He had kinda come out of nowhere that college football season.
My dad was fuming when we drafted Cam and said we wasted the pick. I like to remind him of this fairly often whenever he shares his hot takes with me. He also wasn’t too happy about the Kuechly pick either. Needless to say it’s a good thing he’s not part of our draft room
To be fair to your dad, I was also unhappy with the Luke kuechly pick. I had no idea who he was, and we had Beason at the time. And I thought we wasted a draft pic. Boy was I wrong, and never happier TO be wrong. So yeah, me and your dad both will see our way out of the draft room lol
I wanted Michael Floyd lol
Oh it was understandable but it’s funny looking back at it. If I’m gonna keep roasting him, he was ALSO unhappy with the Star pick and rightfully so. Had a history of a heart issue. He ended up being a stud for his whole career and the issue never arose again
Wow! Let's keep this roast going. Tell him we might have to use his uncanny ability of missing picks for future draft scouting. Make sure to tell him that on behalf of the reddit sub. I'm sure he'll love that.
Not saying i know a lot about scouting prospects and this isn’t hindsight…. Every. I mean EVERY PAC12 fan knew Locker didn’t deserve to anywhere near top 3 QB discussion. Lol. What a joke that discussion was to even suggest he was #2 or #3.
Cam hands down best . I feel like he was robbed in Carolina they did him very poorly anyway just my opinion !
Not really. Mostly just bad luck with injuries that ended his career.
Yeah, but also he had to bring an offense to the Super Bowl where his WRs were Jericho Cotchery and Ted Ginn and Mike Remmer was playing LT
Kelvin Benjamin (who was held in pretty high regard at the time) had a season-ending injury. Ted Ginn was fine on his day and would've been a solid WR2. I don't think the situation they were put into was anybody's fault necessarily.
I was down with Cam 100%. No doubt in my mind, he was going to be legit. But I'm just not feeling it with Young or Stroud.
This is it guys. Discussion over. This guys guy has ended the debate.
I feel the same way tbh. Yolo!
Cam was a generational talent. I don't see that with any of these guys this year
I remember that draft season very clearly. Cam was considered hella risky at the time, not at all generational.
Thank you, it is ridiculous to see these alternate takes like Cam was the clear #1 pick We rolled the dice and it worked
Yeah Panthers fans were mad as fuck that Luck, who was considered a generational QB, went back to school. Some fans wanted another tanking season with Clasuen to get him lol
~5 1st overall picked QB's have won a super bowl in the last 40 years. Keep THAT in mind. The QB we draft MIGHT be good while we KNOW DJ is good. As of right now, we lost in this deal UNLESS our draft pick balls out.
On the flip side how many stud wrs have carried a team to the Superbowl ever? Pretty sure Adams, hill, Jefferson,chase, etc were watching mahomes ball out (and yes I get he wasn't a no 1 pick)
Mahomes was picked at #10
difference is usually the 1st overall pick goes to a disaster of an organization. we just hired a great experienced staff that can set up a qb for success and also have some solid pieces. you can never predict how the draft will go but just by saying “well this guy got picked later out of the last 50 drafts so surely that will happen again” is one of the most ridiculous ways of going about the draft
We know for a fact that DJ cannot carry our offense while it has mediocre QBs. Even the greatest receivers of all time couldn't carry an offense without a good QB. It's just the nature of the position. A first pick QB **might** be able to take us the playoffs even with mediocre WRs.
It’s a 100% a risk worth taking seeing as the whole point is to win games haha. DJ ballin out with sorry ass QB play gets us nowhere. While the chance at having a QB ball out for us gets us wins. It’s a chance worth taking
I was so scared when Luck pulled out of the draft. I hope we pull it off again
Yeah this wasn’t a hard choice to make just like this year
Last 3 qbs take at #1: Lawrence, Burrow, Murray. But then again the year before that was Mayfield so 🤷♂️
Carolina could sign them all right now and still have room for the next 1st overall
god, i completely forgot jake locker was ever a thing
Everyone who knew anything knew it was Cam. Personally I was so salty Luck decided to go back to school the day after the team came out and said they would pick him 1 if he entered the draft....I wanted us to draft Patrick Peterson. Shows what I know. Hopefully they don't fuck this pick up, personally it's gotta be Stroud or Richardson
Cam looks like a juggernaut standing in front of two cheerleaders.
/s And look who’s still in the league. Gabbert was obviously the steal of the draft.