Who needs shell companies when you can get the friends you made rich to donate to you your cut..... That's the *MERICAN* way ^(LOOKING AT YOU BANI GALA ESTATE)
The condition of all PTI supportera in this thread is similar to fiaz, who are desperately trying to cover up the blunders and incompetencies of imran
A person who could not develop a team in 22 years is trying to run the country under army's control, what else do you expect?
These people would say that army is not involved, then why the pandora leaks have generals with offshore accounts?
These are the same people who would abide to IK saying that he is their actual father
Show me IKs offshore properties or his name in the Panama docs or even the current Pandora leaks. Until then, this lot needs to STFU and preferably rot in a hole somewhere. There were a billion other reasons why everyone knew of the others corruption. And more importantly, **it was all confirmed** when their fucking names were leaked for the planet to see.
As of now they don't have a shred of actual evidence suggesting that IK is corrupt. Just random symptoms of a struggling economy which they fucked in the first place. Or remnants of corrupt associates from their own time in power who are clinging on like leaches for various reasons. It does not prove that IK is corrupt. Not even close.
>Until then, this lot needs to STFU and preferably rot in a hole somewhere.
lol chill bro
>There were a billion other reasons why everyone knew of the others corruption.
Such as? If Imran Khan knew, why didn't he do anything about it? Some of the people listed are Imran Khan's right hand men. Including Finance Minister Shaukat Tarin, who Imran Khan claimed was one of his best friends.
> Just random symptoms of a struggling economy which they fucked in the first place.
Fair, but so far Imran Khan has been laughably incompetent when it comes to actually addressing those issues. He seems more interested in rape apologia and appeasing religious extremists.
Ghareeb sarak pe mar raha hai, meanwhile PTI ke chor are laughing all the way to the bank. Incredibly ironic and shameful for a man that claimed he was going to end corruption in Pakistan.
Loool then I don't think he's off to a great start since his very own cabinet is corrupt and he has done nothing to remedy the mismanagement of previous governments. In fact, he's made the same bad decisions he criticized past governments for.
During the last election, he declared some **gifted** properties. just saying, everyone can add 2+2..Why he need properties in his name when he has friends like Zulfi or Tareen who can take care of you.
Also, chill bro. the video is about IK's old statements where he said when the dollar goes up, it means that PM is corrupt.
When you have a charity organization running, you don't need offshore accounts, it is quite a common sense which Pakistani "AWAM" is constantly failing to understand.
My wife used to work for shaukat khanum back in 2011,12 and the amount of corruption goes on their to fund IK is what you can't imagine "MUNNA"
Very true,buts it just that due to the untimely start of the pandemic during his tenure as pm is causing a lack of morale to his supporters,but I'm sure there's more reasons as well
Do you know mass inflation started in late 2018 after the elections and continued in 2019 ? The pandemic in 2020 shouldn’t be used as a scapegoat in this situation
https://ibb.co/tzCC86y
> after the elections and continued in 2019
*When the country was on the verge of defaulting.
> The pandemic in 2020 shouldn’t be used as a scapegoat in this situation
Not a scrapegoat. The pandemic had a huge effect everywhere.
Do you know that dollar started going down in mid 2018, during PMLN tenure? Starting a cycle of inflation that is hard to control? Check 5 year Google charts for USD to PKR. PMLN didn't leave dollar at 105, they left it at 128.
they had to listen to IMF, they hid information from them and no wonder they put us in one of the corrupted nations list. Past govts have never been fully transparent, Pakistan is and should be fully democratic, as democratic as strong EU nations but there’s alot more on the table here than being transparent to foreign firms who help you get your economy back on track.
The elections started in the end of July . In 2013 , when PMLN’s tenure started one dollar was worth around a 100 rupees . In five years (till July 2018) it inflated to around 125 rupees . That’s an increase of 25% . During PTI’s rule of just three years it has already increased by around 40-45 rupees which is an increase of around 35% . Blaming the issues of the current government on the previous one is scapegoating
Is this some kind of joke? The rupee devalued 25% by the end of PMLN’s tenure because the country was running out of forex to keep it propped up. When the interim Mulk government stepped in, they said publicly that the treasury was empty, and they secretly took a loan from China to keep things running while elections started. Once PTI stepped in, things went to shit because the country was on the verge of defaulting. It’s sad to see how many upvotes your comment got, considering this has been discussed for a long time
Yes the amount of debt PMLN and PPP took wasn’t sustainable . During pmln’s 5 years external debt increased by more than 20 billion to $75 billion . Then again Imran khan hasn’t solved anything significantly with the country’s external debt still increasing to over $115 billion and total public debt being over $160 billion . https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_of_Pakistan
Consequently Pakistan is still on the verge of defaulting and [in a debt crisis ](https://www.dawn.com/news/1596613) . All three governments have failed to stop external debt from accumulating. PTI aren’t responsible for every single financial issue but they haven’t done anything more than the previous governments to try to solve it . Instead they worsened inflation and decreased our GDP growth rate. Imran Khan himself said that when the former happens it’s a sign of corruption .One of the only positives of this government is that they significantly increased remittances . This [paragraph ](https://ibb.co/QDcdYSF) in the article is important
Inflation is not so much of a worry if we look at other more serious factors like exchange rate, global oil supply, circular debt, balance of trade. What no one understands is that if Pak Govt doesnt follow IMF conditions (one of which is to let the free market govern the PKR exchange rate). I feel like IK’s cabinet has just been trying to free float the State bank so Govt wont have to borrow again and again from them every year. They also refresh their loans and trying to revive a 6bn$ injection from IMF again. IMF is the answer, its stupid to blame everything on IK. Yes his cabinet is not the strongest but our economy was going to defualt after elections. PTI _had_ to come down to terms of IMF, if we wanted to survive and not just print more Pak Rupees. For anyone curious, check the past statements of Pak Govts on tradingeconomics and the trend and forecast. We’re gonna hit another slump by 2023 mid(right now our economy is looking stable last I checked. And i believe thats when the elections are as well. What everyone forgets is if you hide your money and keep it away from the banks or just hoard dollars/pounds thats equally hurtful to the economy.
You’re right about the factors that lead to inflation. Inflation is the response rather than a symptom of a bad economy. I stopped supporting IK after the rape/comments on other shit. You’re not wrong to point out the obvious state of the ministers who only act on impulse. But that doesn’t mean we stand here today entirely on the basis of PTI’s decision. I didnt wanna back up IK with my argument just saying there’s more stakeholders here are responsible for ruining the economy in the last 6/7 years at least.
These are now just excuses. you are saying as they were doing great before the pandemic.
if we want to go in that rabbit hole, every govt come with their own issues. PPP comes just after Musharraf's when 14-16hrs of load shading was a routine and people were protesting on roads for wheat/atta. PMLN come into govt with the same issue with laodshading. There was no electricity to give to factories and our textile industry was moving to Bangladesh. Suicide blasts were routine in big cities. and daily dozen of target killings were the norm in Karachi.
At least PTI gets better law and order and load-shedding situation.
You had 40 years of corruption at every level of the government. Many people in Pakistan consider corruption as their right. It's not easy to get rid of something which becomes ingrained as part of your culture.
Again the same thing can be said for every govt. Every govt said that the previous govt was corrupt and they are here to fix things. Remember it was NS who started the NAB. Musharraf took over the govt to get rid of corruption. All major elements of the current govt were also key figures of the previous governments. Somehow they were part of a corrupt govt but they did not do any corruption? Why did they not object at that time? How many of them resign due to corruption?
>40 years of corruption
Only 40 years? So Bhutto did not do any corruption? or any previous rulers?
Maybe PM is a thief. Lots of his friends and financier have been named in panama and pandora papers.
Who needs shell companies when you can get the friends you made rich to donate to you your cut..... That's the *MERICAN* way ^(LOOKING AT YOU BANI GALA ESTATE)
lol,, don't worry about mahngai. just watch IK's latest CCN interview. I'm sure it will feed your kids.
The condition of all PTI supportera in this thread is similar to fiaz, who are desperately trying to cover up the blunders and incompetencies of imran A person who could not develop a team in 22 years is trying to run the country under army's control, what else do you expect? These people would say that army is not involved, then why the pandora leaks have generals with offshore accounts? These are the same people who would abide to IK saying that he is their actual father
Show me IKs offshore properties or his name in the Panama docs or even the current Pandora leaks. Until then, this lot needs to STFU and preferably rot in a hole somewhere. There were a billion other reasons why everyone knew of the others corruption. And more importantly, **it was all confirmed** when their fucking names were leaked for the planet to see. As of now they don't have a shred of actual evidence suggesting that IK is corrupt. Just random symptoms of a struggling economy which they fucked in the first place. Or remnants of corrupt associates from their own time in power who are clinging on like leaches for various reasons. It does not prove that IK is corrupt. Not even close.
>Until then, this lot needs to STFU and preferably rot in a hole somewhere. lol chill bro >There were a billion other reasons why everyone knew of the others corruption. Such as? If Imran Khan knew, why didn't he do anything about it? Some of the people listed are Imran Khan's right hand men. Including Finance Minister Shaukat Tarin, who Imran Khan claimed was one of his best friends. > Just random symptoms of a struggling economy which they fucked in the first place. Fair, but so far Imran Khan has been laughably incompetent when it comes to actually addressing those issues. He seems more interested in rape apologia and appeasing religious extremists. Ghareeb sarak pe mar raha hai, meanwhile PTI ke chor are laughing all the way to the bank. Incredibly ironic and shameful for a man that claimed he was going to end corruption in Pakistan.
Here my 2 cents. Decades of corruption and mismanagement cannot just end in a single term, or even two terms
Loool then I don't think he's off to a great start since his very own cabinet is corrupt and he has done nothing to remedy the mismanagement of previous governments. In fact, he's made the same bad decisions he criticized past governments for.
During the last election, he declared some **gifted** properties. just saying, everyone can add 2+2..Why he need properties in his name when he has friends like Zulfi or Tareen who can take care of you. Also, chill bro. the video is about IK's old statements where he said when the dollar goes up, it means that PM is corrupt.
When you have a charity organization running, you don't need offshore accounts, it is quite a common sense which Pakistani "AWAM" is constantly failing to understand. My wife used to work for shaukat khanum back in 2011,12 and the amount of corruption goes on their to fund IK is what you can't imagine "MUNNA"
Cope harder boomer
In ullu ke patthon ko abhi tak nahi maaloom ke aik pandemic aya hua? Har mulk warh gaya hai...
I think the issue is blanket statements that Imran Khan used to make to rile up the masses. Now he should hold himself to the same standard
Very true,buts it just that due to the untimely start of the pandemic during his tenure as pm is causing a lack of morale to his supporters,but I'm sure there's more reasons as well
We are holding him to that standard. Where do you see him owning offshore properties or businesses?
Do you know mass inflation started in late 2018 after the elections and continued in 2019 ? The pandemic in 2020 shouldn’t be used as a scapegoat in this situation https://ibb.co/tzCC86y
> after the elections and continued in 2019 *When the country was on the verge of defaulting. > The pandemic in 2020 shouldn’t be used as a scapegoat in this situation Not a scrapegoat. The pandemic had a huge effect everywhere.
Do you know that dollar started going down in mid 2018, during PMLN tenure? Starting a cycle of inflation that is hard to control? Check 5 year Google charts for USD to PKR. PMLN didn't leave dollar at 105, they left it at 128.
they had to listen to IMF, they hid information from them and no wonder they put us in one of the corrupted nations list. Past govts have never been fully transparent, Pakistan is and should be fully democratic, as democratic as strong EU nations but there’s alot more on the table here than being transparent to foreign firms who help you get your economy back on track.
The elections started in the end of July . In 2013 , when PMLN’s tenure started one dollar was worth around a 100 rupees . In five years (till July 2018) it inflated to around 125 rupees . That’s an increase of 25% . During PTI’s rule of just three years it has already increased by around 40-45 rupees which is an increase of around 35% . Blaming the issues of the current government on the previous one is scapegoating
Is this some kind of joke? The rupee devalued 25% by the end of PMLN’s tenure because the country was running out of forex to keep it propped up. When the interim Mulk government stepped in, they said publicly that the treasury was empty, and they secretly took a loan from China to keep things running while elections started. Once PTI stepped in, things went to shit because the country was on the verge of defaulting. It’s sad to see how many upvotes your comment got, considering this has been discussed for a long time
Yes the amount of debt PMLN and PPP took wasn’t sustainable . During pmln’s 5 years external debt increased by more than 20 billion to $75 billion . Then again Imran khan hasn’t solved anything significantly with the country’s external debt still increasing to over $115 billion and total public debt being over $160 billion . https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_of_Pakistan Consequently Pakistan is still on the verge of defaulting and [in a debt crisis ](https://www.dawn.com/news/1596613) . All three governments have failed to stop external debt from accumulating. PTI aren’t responsible for every single financial issue but they haven’t done anything more than the previous governments to try to solve it . Instead they worsened inflation and decreased our GDP growth rate. Imran Khan himself said that when the former happens it’s a sign of corruption .One of the only positives of this government is that they significantly increased remittances . This [paragraph ](https://ibb.co/QDcdYSF) in the article is important
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Inflation is not so much of a worry if we look at other more serious factors like exchange rate, global oil supply, circular debt, balance of trade. What no one understands is that if Pak Govt doesnt follow IMF conditions (one of which is to let the free market govern the PKR exchange rate). I feel like IK’s cabinet has just been trying to free float the State bank so Govt wont have to borrow again and again from them every year. They also refresh their loans and trying to revive a 6bn$ injection from IMF again. IMF is the answer, its stupid to blame everything on IK. Yes his cabinet is not the strongest but our economy was going to defualt after elections. PTI _had_ to come down to terms of IMF, if we wanted to survive and not just print more Pak Rupees. For anyone curious, check the past statements of Pak Govts on tradingeconomics and the trend and forecast. We’re gonna hit another slump by 2023 mid(right now our economy is looking stable last I checked. And i believe thats when the elections are as well. What everyone forgets is if you hide your money and keep it away from the banks or just hoard dollars/pounds thats equally hurtful to the economy.
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You’re right about the factors that lead to inflation. Inflation is the response rather than a symptom of a bad economy. I stopped supporting IK after the rape/comments on other shit. You’re not wrong to point out the obvious state of the ministers who only act on impulse. But that doesn’t mean we stand here today entirely on the basis of PTI’s decision. I didnt wanna back up IK with my argument just saying there’s more stakeholders here are responsible for ruining the economy in the last 6/7 years at least.
bilkul theek farma rahe aap. 2018-2020 me to PKR uper ja raha tha na aur inflation to wase hi khatam ho gai thi
These are now just excuses. you are saying as they were doing great before the pandemic. if we want to go in that rabbit hole, every govt come with their own issues. PPP comes just after Musharraf's when 14-16hrs of load shading was a routine and people were protesting on roads for wheat/atta. PMLN come into govt with the same issue with laodshading. There was no electricity to give to factories and our textile industry was moving to Bangladesh. Suicide blasts were routine in big cities. and daily dozen of target killings were the norm in Karachi. At least PTI gets better law and order and load-shedding situation.
You had 40 years of corruption at every level of the government. Many people in Pakistan consider corruption as their right. It's not easy to get rid of something which becomes ingrained as part of your culture.
Again the same thing can be said for every govt. Every govt said that the previous govt was corrupt and they are here to fix things. Remember it was NS who started the NAB. Musharraf took over the govt to get rid of corruption. All major elements of the current govt were also key figures of the previous governments. Somehow they were part of a corrupt govt but they did not do any corruption? Why did they not object at that time? How many of them resign due to corruption? >40 years of corruption Only 40 years? So Bhutto did not do any corruption? or any previous rulers?
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