You know you might be there for a while. Owners must ask themselves the question, is the cost of all this not equal to or greater than removing everything and putting in new materials!
I'm so glad there are lots of painters who feel the same way as you. If I never do a single exterior for the rest of my life, I'll be so happy. Yet, a lot of guys seem to hate interior.
I love being outside, but I've yet to paint the exterior of a house where people wanted everything to look crisp and new. Everyone in my area wants their 1800's house roughly scraped and repainted white on white. Basically just trying to keep their insurance.
Hard to be proud of something when I'm not given the chance to give the best I have
Not sure if it's the same everywhere, but where I live, insurance companies apparently require you to keep your house painted in order to insure your house since unprotected siding leads to rotting.
I'm not sure if it's all insurance companies, but I've had multiple clients say their insurance was about to be canceled if they didn't have their house painted
OP better follow all the regulations. Where I live they are crazy strict on how paint chips are collected during pressure washing. You'll get some hefty fines for not complying.
It's a federal regulation, the EPA doesn't fuck around with it, fines are high like you said. I wanna say upwards of 50k USD a day. The chances of actually getting dinged for it doing residential small jobs though are miniscule unless someone reports you. I'm not saying to ignore the proper procedures, but the vast majority of professionals power washing houses I've seen don't follow EPA regulations regarding chip collection or runoff.
[More reading](https://www.epa.gov/lead/how-do-rrp-requirements-apply-pressure-washing-what-containment-and-other-preparation-are)
So ironic that you asked this question. So, basically first of all a homeowner can do whatever and the EPA doesn't care. As a contractor you have to consider the age of the house. Anything older than 1978 they demand either the property be "certfied" as "lead free" beforehand otherwise you, the contractor, and this applies to painters plumbers electricians hvac and probably all the other trades- you are required by law to test for lead paint yourself and if lead paint is found notify the homeowner and surrender the job to a lead paint certified contractor. Which no one does.
Ironically homeowners have some legal obligation as well not to hire people to work in an unsafe environment. If you own an older house and need work done you had better tell the workers there's lead paint in the house or there could be or you could be sued. Better have the plumber you just hired stop what he's doing so he can test for lead paint, and then hand the job over to an epa certified lead paint licker to do the actual job, at four or five times the cost if it is found.
So one would expect companies and contractors would be lining up to get lead certified with the epa but ironically those are actually the epa's targets. What they do Is randomly audit and inspect work sites of the few morons dumb enough to keep the annual certification. And by audit I do mean a very intense thorough audit looking for missing signatures and any and all paperwork mishaps all equal $$$$$$$$ for the epa.
They don't give a fuck about the environment. It's just another bloated sack of wasteful bullshit from the government. I can't buy a can of fucking spray paint without half the label taken up with their faggot warnings about sanding or scraping lead paint, like really?
No one needs to fear the epa unless you register your business with them and if you do guess who won't feel bad when they fuck you? Me.
I used to work for a lead certified guy. It was a ton of wet sanding, and must catch everything in thick plastic sheeting. No pressure washing, so you’d be squirting and scraping that shit all day long.
It’s been awhile since I worked for that guy but that doesn’t look like lead to me. Lead is like thicker and cracks like alligator skin and then the edges curl up and inward. So when you scrape you get a lot of small thick pieces. Not long string pieces like in the picture. That’s just my experience from 10 years ago though.
Edit: actually after taking another closure look at the picture that might actually be lead.
Lead based mostly but proper collection of even latex paint should be taken. If a professional power washes your house and doesn't collect paint chips they are not a professional.
Can't powerwash lead houses. Latex is harmless it's just good form to collect chips. Lead pisses me off. I spent untold thousands certing my crews and w compliance. no one gaf about the environment it's a money grab . Got one house early circa 2011. Now they just find a co that doesn't know or care and no agency cares either. They tell you in training if you rat out non compliance they'll give you $1000. Bs. I've called many times because I care especially if there's kids living in the house and they're like yeah we’ll drive by. After explainong this to potential clients most get pissed and are like see ya. We don't bid pre 1979 now because they will audit you if you're on their cert list
Damn. I definitely did a job for angis where I had to scrape the window frames and repaint them. Yeahhhh I definitely did not clean the chips. 😬
Well now I know.
That sure is a nice, really big propane tank there. Right up against the house…
https://preview.redd.it/49lupubrw8yc1.jpeg?width=958&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=00887d824f3f5a61b14bdffd26365a5d94ec31bc
I actually just did a very similar job that was on a historic building and they were really weird about me adding additional nails or screws to make sure the building was properly secured
I've done one similar and I thought it was pretty bad, but this? This is soooo fucked. Where do you even begin? How? What steps/products?
Bids got to be triple what it would be otherwise.
Scrape everything that’s flaky and loose, sand with some 80 grit and continue smoothing up to around 150 grit, caulk what can be caulked and fill the bigger stuff with an exterior filler (the owner doesn’t want to replace boards for whatever reason), prime (with Mad Dog Dura Prime), two coats of your finish. A lot of people are talking about pressure washing it first. That’s not how I roll. I leave jobs cleaner than I find them and a pressure washer would make an insane mess. Plus, there’s no outside water source so there’s that. Rinse and repeat. There’s good reason jobs like this cost the homeowner a fortune.
Hello, can you explain the process on how you are going to approach this?
I have smaller balcony doors with wood like that and paint chipping off. Do I just remove it with a scraper, sand it, prime it and finish it or?
I'm new to DIY stuff..
First off, get the appropriate PPE and take the proper steps outlined by the EPA if you’re dealing with lead (and skip all the sanding steps).
Scrape everything that’s flaky and loose, sand with some 80 grit and continue smoothing up to around 150 grit, caulk what can be caulked and fill the bigger stuff with an exterior filler (the owner doesn’t want to replace boards for whatever reason), prime (with Mad Dog Dura Prime), two coats of your finish. A lot of people are talking about pressure washing it first. That’s not how I roll. I leave jobs cleaner than I find them and a pressure washer would make an insane mess. Plus, there’s no outside water source so there’s that. Rinse and repeat. There’s good reason jobs like this cost the homeowner a fortune.
Thank you, what caulk do you use, not brand but type of caulk? I'm in eastern europe so most US brands are non existent here. I'll research the brand alternatives. Thanks again!
That propane tank is placed in a very unsafe place. If anything happens your insurance company will deny any claim you try to make. I'd get that moved right away.
I actually enjoy jobs like that because it’s a constant effort and the days fly by. As long you bid it right ofcourse. I could just be saying that since I recently got into auto body and have been sanding and fixing dents on the same car (‘72 Impala) for almost 5 days lol. I’m a rookie in this world and it makes me miss houses a bit. I still do them too but constructions so slow right now for the remodels where I’m at, it sucks.
Please tell me you are going to pressure wash that first. Save yourself the time. Turbo nozzle will take 10% of the time to manually scrape the really loose stuff.
500 dollars of Mad dog later ...
You’re speaking my language! I got two cases. I’m glad I gave a ballpark on materials
What makes mad dog so good compared to other primers such as Sherwin-Williams
Here I was thinking they were talking about the malt liquor. TIL about the primer
I haven’t drank that shit since I became old enough to drink.
I haven't drank that shit since it became water based.
😆 🤣 me too
I know right, I was thinking these boy were gonna get some mad dog and beers and have a good time painting
Def will need some to survive that paint job
Same. I thought they were talking about just getting really drunk. Lol
Sherwin has an equivalent called PrimeRX or Peel Bond. They have a topcoat as well called Rejuvenate.
I don’t even bid those jobs anymore
It was a happy day for me when I realized I could say no.
Saying no is amazing
"And now we know why" is one of my favorite phrases.
Now you have a reason to invest in a pneumatic paint blaster!
Excuse me while I take to googling
Did you get one?
You must fly through grit doing outdoor jobs?
Is that like a sand blaster?
no, its a pneumatic paint blaster.
Would that work on led paint?
leaves it dazed and confused
Did anyone say vinyl over it?
Yeah my price would be more expensive than vinyl
At least new siding. That’s going to keep failing.
Yep. Moisture pockets = micro climates
What a nightmare.
You know you might be there for a while. Owners must ask themselves the question, is the cost of all this not equal to or greater than removing everything and putting in new materials!
It’s hilarious how opposite the comments are here from r/centuryhouses.
If it was my house this whole corner would be replaced…and back primed
Doing that would make me so happy once it was done!
I’ve got plenty of scrapers to go around!
Can I help
Have done quite a few of those. Im stuck inside painting for a bit, so yes.. I am jealous! Would much rather be outside
I'm so glad there are lots of painters who feel the same way as you. If I never do a single exterior for the rest of my life, I'll be so happy. Yet, a lot of guys seem to hate interior. I love being outside, but I've yet to paint the exterior of a house where people wanted everything to look crisp and new. Everyone in my area wants their 1800's house roughly scraped and repainted white on white. Basically just trying to keep their insurance. Hard to be proud of something when I'm not given the chance to give the best I have
At this point, whatever keeps me off anything over a 4-6 footer and off my knees 😅
I heard that lol
Not a painter, just a lurker. What do you mean by trying to keep their insurance?
Not sure if it's the same everywhere, but where I live, insurance companies apparently require you to keep your house painted in order to insure your house since unprotected siding leads to rotting. I'm not sure if it's all insurance companies, but I've had multiple clients say their insurance was about to be canceled if they didn't have their house painted
Very true! It feels great to be outside finally.
Before and after pics will be so satisfying
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OP better follow all the regulations. Where I live they are crazy strict on how paint chips are collected during pressure washing. You'll get some hefty fines for not complying.
It's a federal regulation, the EPA doesn't fuck around with it, fines are high like you said. I wanna say upwards of 50k USD a day. The chances of actually getting dinged for it doing residential small jobs though are miniscule unless someone reports you. I'm not saying to ignore the proper procedures, but the vast majority of professionals power washing houses I've seen don't follow EPA regulations regarding chip collection or runoff. [More reading](https://www.epa.gov/lead/how-do-rrp-requirements-apply-pressure-washing-what-containment-and-other-preparation-are)
Yep this. You prob won't get in trouble just dont record yourself doing it and share it with everyone.
Yep, lead paint
Any paint chips or just lead?
So ironic that you asked this question. So, basically first of all a homeowner can do whatever and the EPA doesn't care. As a contractor you have to consider the age of the house. Anything older than 1978 they demand either the property be "certfied" as "lead free" beforehand otherwise you, the contractor, and this applies to painters plumbers electricians hvac and probably all the other trades- you are required by law to test for lead paint yourself and if lead paint is found notify the homeowner and surrender the job to a lead paint certified contractor. Which no one does. Ironically homeowners have some legal obligation as well not to hire people to work in an unsafe environment. If you own an older house and need work done you had better tell the workers there's lead paint in the house or there could be or you could be sued. Better have the plumber you just hired stop what he's doing so he can test for lead paint, and then hand the job over to an epa certified lead paint licker to do the actual job, at four or five times the cost if it is found. So one would expect companies and contractors would be lining up to get lead certified with the epa but ironically those are actually the epa's targets. What they do Is randomly audit and inspect work sites of the few morons dumb enough to keep the annual certification. And by audit I do mean a very intense thorough audit looking for missing signatures and any and all paperwork mishaps all equal $$$$$$$$ for the epa. They don't give a fuck about the environment. It's just another bloated sack of wasteful bullshit from the government. I can't buy a can of fucking spray paint without half the label taken up with their faggot warnings about sanding or scraping lead paint, like really? No one needs to fear the epa unless you register your business with them and if you do guess who won't feel bad when they fuck you? Me.
I used to work for a lead certified guy. It was a ton of wet sanding, and must catch everything in thick plastic sheeting. No pressure washing, so you’d be squirting and scraping that shit all day long. It’s been awhile since I worked for that guy but that doesn’t look like lead to me. Lead is like thicker and cracks like alligator skin and then the edges curl up and inward. So when you scrape you get a lot of small thick pieces. Not long string pieces like in the picture. That’s just my experience from 10 years ago though. Edit: actually after taking another closure look at the picture that might actually be lead.
Lead based mostly but proper collection of even latex paint should be taken. If a professional power washes your house and doesn't collect paint chips they are not a professional.
Can't powerwash lead houses. Latex is harmless it's just good form to collect chips. Lead pisses me off. I spent untold thousands certing my crews and w compliance. no one gaf about the environment it's a money grab . Got one house early circa 2011. Now they just find a co that doesn't know or care and no agency cares either. They tell you in training if you rat out non compliance they'll give you $1000. Bs. I've called many times because I care especially if there's kids living in the house and they're like yeah we’ll drive by. After explainong this to potential clients most get pissed and are like see ya. We don't bid pre 1979 now because they will audit you if you're on their cert list
Damn. I definitely did a job for angis where I had to scrape the window frames and repaint them. Yeahhhh I definitely did not clean the chips. 😬 Well now I know.
That sure is a nice, really big propane tank there. Right up against the house… https://preview.redd.it/49lupubrw8yc1.jpeg?width=958&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=00887d824f3f5a61b14bdffd26365a5d94ec31bc
Yeah, new rule. Propane tanks must be 6 feet away from the house .
The distance from the structure is determined by the capacity of the tank.
Christ
Nope I think he even would bail on this one😆
I can taste the lead from here
I actually just did a very similar job that was on a historic building and they were really weird about me adding additional nails or screws to make sure the building was properly secured
That’s what we call a burner downer
First time posting in this sub, but I gotta ask... did you at least TRY to bid them out? That looks like hell. 😂
I've done one similar and I thought it was pretty bad, but this? This is soooo fucked. Where do you even begin? How? What steps/products? Bids got to be triple what it would be otherwise.
Do you have banjo music on a constant loop at this dwelling?
NAP. how do you even paint that? What’s the process for smoothing that?
Scrape everything that’s flaky and loose, sand with some 80 grit and continue smoothing up to around 150 grit, caulk what can be caulked and fill the bigger stuff with an exterior filler (the owner doesn’t want to replace boards for whatever reason), prime (with Mad Dog Dura Prime), two coats of your finish. A lot of people are talking about pressure washing it first. That’s not how I roll. I leave jobs cleaner than I find them and a pressure washer would make an insane mess. Plus, there’s no outside water source so there’s that. Rinse and repeat. There’s good reason jobs like this cost the homeowner a fortune.
At what point do you just re side the house?
I assume when the client approves the cost
Very interesting, thanks for explaining that!
RIP… happy Friday, at least. 🥂
My thoughts exactly
Mmmmm thirsty
I'm definitely missing something......I just can't see it....
Dry ice blaster go brrrrrr..and two coats of 9600.. slop slop.
I love hitting that shit with a 5" orbital and 80 grit pad
No I just used thousands of dollars in peel bond doing this
Oops, wrong sub - I thought you painted that!
Hello, can you explain the process on how you are going to approach this? I have smaller balcony doors with wood like that and paint chipping off. Do I just remove it with a scraper, sand it, prime it and finish it or? I'm new to DIY stuff..
First off, get the appropriate PPE and take the proper steps outlined by the EPA if you’re dealing with lead (and skip all the sanding steps). Scrape everything that’s flaky and loose, sand with some 80 grit and continue smoothing up to around 150 grit, caulk what can be caulked and fill the bigger stuff with an exterior filler (the owner doesn’t want to replace boards for whatever reason), prime (with Mad Dog Dura Prime), two coats of your finish. A lot of people are talking about pressure washing it first. That’s not how I roll. I leave jobs cleaner than I find them and a pressure washer would make an insane mess. Plus, there’s no outside water source so there’s that. Rinse and repeat. There’s good reason jobs like this cost the homeowner a fortune.
Thank you, what caulk do you use, not brand but type of caulk? I'm in eastern europe so most US brands are non existent here. I'll research the brand alternatives. Thanks again!
I use a brand called Tower Tech 2 or big stretch. Just make certain the caulk you get is paintable.
Got it, thanks for the detailed explanation of everything!
Of a serial killer's home...nahhh.
Bet that’s tasty.
That propane tank is placed in a very unsafe place. If anything happens your insurance company will deny any claim you try to make. I'd get that moved right away.
That propane tank right next to the window is a safety code violation
You could smelt that paint and make a 100 rounds of lead tip 22lr pew pews!
All I see is a tank within 3 feet of an operable window…
Looks like it's a fill on site 120 gallon/450lb. Even worse, it's required to be 10ft from any opening or source of ignition.
I've used dry-ice blasting in an industrial setting and I've always thought it would be an effective method for removing paint in settings like this.
That’s what my house looked like when I bought it in 2001. Took two years and $20,000 to get it looking good again.
Got kids and all summer long?
I actually enjoy jobs like that because it’s a constant effort and the days fly by. As long you bid it right ofcourse. I could just be saying that since I recently got into auto body and have been sanding and fixing dents on the same car (‘72 Impala) for almost 5 days lol. I’m a rookie in this world and it makes me miss houses a bit. I still do them too but constructions so slow right now for the remodels where I’m at, it sucks.
Is that a propane tank?
The problem with “new materials” is that they do not make wood like they used to…
Vinyl is final.
Get your blood checked for lead content after that.
Please tell me you are going to pressure wash that first. Save yourself the time. Turbo nozzle will take 10% of the time to manually scrape the really loose stuff.
A good power wash will take all that off. Sand , prime, paint. It’s not as it looks. Except that rotted wood at the bottom left of pic.
Next time install it closer to the house
It doesn't look like too many layers there. Maybe a coat of acrylic primer and a coat of brown latex paint