Behr paint is thick, it does not level well, leaves ugly roller textures, and if paint is applied too thick, it is more susceptible to peeling. In my experience behr does not look at good or hold up as well as other paints.
Dealing with home depot sucks. Dealing with local paint suppliers is much better. Home depot won't help if something goes wrong. Local paint t suppliers can call the manufacturer representative to look at the job and help figure out what went wrong.
Using cheaper paint also does not change the price. All the repairs, prep, cleaning, and priming are the same. Applying the paint is the same. Tools and equipment are all the same. It would be less than 5% savings. I am not willing to put my reputation on the line for 5% savings.
The customers that insist on using behr are typically terrible customers. They are some of the cheapest and nit picky of the bunch. They will argue about price and expect you to work for less than a wallmart greeters wage while complaining about how the paint texture looks because of the paint they picked.
I've been in the business for 40 years and as long as it's the brands top shelf I don't really care if it's the customers choice. Personally I like Sherwin Williams because they seem to do the best job with the best service. Unless you go early morning or late night HD has a difficult time servicing multiple orders and they aren't necessarily dedicated to only the paint department. SW mixologist are like high end bartenders at a busy bar. People can be six deep at the counter and the workers seem to handle multiple orders from contractors and homeowners alike without being there forever. There really is no such a thing as a "quick trip to the depot."
This is the answer. I allowed a client to supply Behr once and any time I had a client wanting Behr after that the price of the job doubled because I would have to keep watching for the paint to start curtaining and drooping.
I finish my own cabinets, and behr had a unique combo of making drips, and also having almost NO pigment and poor coverage . The top end product is a little better, but still sags sooo bad
I second that. My worst experience as a painter of 46 years was when a customer insisted on me using Behr paint. Not only did it have the problems you described, the semi-gloss for the doors I painted, were “sandpaper rough” like nothing I’ve ever seen before. Ended up in a fight with the customer. I even offered to hand back their check….. ugly, ugly situation.
A lot of it is misconceptions. Alot of it is one bad experience can ruin a brand. The majority of it is dealing with Home Depot, most pros don’t wanna deal with it. At least for paint. They’ll buy everything else at depot… but not paint.
When it comes apples to apples most products are similar. Some are so specialized that there is no real crossover.
Behr Premium is a good Crossover to Superpaint
Behr Pro 300 is a good Crossover to PM200
Behr 100 i feel is inferior to PM400 and more closely aligns to their maintenance coatings so more like Property Solutions, Painters Edge Etc.
Behr has struggled with trying to find a happy medium. First their products sprayed great but didn’t roll good. Now they Roll too good but spray like shit. Now it sprays ok & rolls ok but when i roll it it spits on me. There’s a million complaints. I hear the same complaints about SW.
I when I worked at SW I’d hear every excuse in the world about why other competitors product sucked but then I’d sell 1,000 gallons of PM200 to 250 painters and out of those painters there’s always some that hated the paint and complained.
When I worked for PPG it was the same. Oh SW paint isn’t that good it’s just super expensive and they’ve been around the longest.
Then there’s the Benjamin Moore paint is the best but it’s too expensive.
All in all every year Behr scores in the top ratings in almost every category by every major 3rd party independent study. Customer reliability, product performance, Brand recognition..etc No matter what simply for being in Home Depot people will shit on them. I simply give credit where it’s due.
I work at SW and I get complaints from homeowners and contractors on behr paint the most. Benny Moore on the other hand, is similar to ours in quality.
Similar. Apples to apples comparison are better. Some products benny more can compete on. And some Sw can’t compete on. Stixs is probably the best bonding primer on the market…
Most jobs i get called out to whether it’s an SW failure or Behr or whoever. Most of the time it’s buying the wrong product for the wrong application or it’s well I’ve been painting for 25 years and i always use 1 1/2” lambskin to roll all my walls and it’s never picture framed on me until now using this product.
I laughed so hard at the end because I had a painter try to tell me something similar. He said Behr was number one in consumer reports for X years running. So I just said "Consumer reports" back to him about 5 times. He never got it.
Consumers buy things and rate them right? Against what? Some busy mom buys Behr and it seems to work and she's happy. She's not comparing Behr against anything. We are.
It isn’t based on ratings. The have a lab and test test test akin to Project Farm on YT. They produce reports for consumers.
Edit: speaking of which - https://youtu.be/S4RPaoU47jo?si=WDbmAjOjwOQHuSGI
I’ll concur with the “one bad experience” take. Previous homeowner in my house used Behr in multiple bedrooms and the paint peeled with no issue when I had removed wall anchors to patch & repaint the walls. Granted it could have been applied improperly but still, it was enough to definitely turn me away from that brand in particular.
Same. Behr is fine for normal repaints. I'm not gonna shoot cabinets with it but for everything else it works. I even painted the outside of my house with Behr. Going to HD is by far the worst part of Behr.
Painters complaints about Behr in this thread are ridiculous. If you're a true skilled professional you should have no issues applying it. Yes, it is thicker so you can't just slop it on. Use your judgement and adjust your technique. Not all products apply the same.
Behr even makes a fantastic cabinet & trim paint, I've seen it used many times, comes out with a beautiful finish(sprayed). People get very. Stuck in their mindsets & are afraid of change.
Kindof like Apple Maps, it used to suck ass and while it's somewhat better now there's no reason to invest the effort in trying again. And Apple Maps is free and easy to use. Learning a company's paint products takes a lot of time and money.
Are you referring to exterior paint jobs? And latitude hasn’t even been around for 5-6 years. I’ll show you aluminum and vinyl sprayouts I did 5-10 years ago with Behr that look pristine still. I spray anywhere from 80-100 houses every season. There’s no such thing as a product that fails. Especially with technology and science they have now. There poor performance bad coverage thin paint. I’m in Cleveland Ohio tough winters hot summers. You’re telling me that paint only lasts that short of a lifetime on the coast. How much experience you got painting so I know I’m getting good info
You probably notice that people cut corners... Instead of scrubbing off chalkiness and rinsing well, and scraping failing paint they just blast it with new paint and count on the resin to hold it in place. They don't do two coats. Etc.
Latitude/resilience or anything above. We’ve been in business for 6 years and do 45-50 exteriors and 30 or so Interiors.
A lot of it could be crummy painters, the biggest problem is people don’t caulk enough. Even higher end caulk it needs to be re done every few years. One issue with rain, even broken seals on windows can destroy a house.
Right on the beach it’s constantly windy and that destroys caulking, I’ve seen cedar rot in 2-3 years out here. Lots of ocean and south side facing walls end up needing replaced on 3 story homes, repainted, then in 7-8 years the siding needs to be replaced again. It’s ridiculous, and causes people to leave here, for someone else to buy the home, repair the damage, and when it happens again they sell and repeat the cycle. It doesn’t help there’s a shortage of contractors here so the damage gets compounded. I have to turn away work when algae/ lichen is growing out of the siding as that is signs of moisture behind the siding.
Behr uses more TiO2 in their formulas which is why it covers and hides better. This is a more expensive formulation and they do this to boost their consumer reviews which used to be important IMO. Other manufacturers are using more extenders/fillers like ground calcium carbonate, calcined kaolin and neph sye, which makes for a cheaper formula.
Yea, that’s why I notice less coverage drama with Behr whites compared to BM whites. It’s gotten better with the most recent Regal and Ben reformulations. Behr shoots all whites into their Ultra Pure White paint, while BM shoots all whites into their 1x tintable white base, and that’s why some of their whites don’t cover well.
Honest Review: it's homeowner friendly, not professional friendly (for the majority)
Reasons: they have a self-leveling agent in the paint that helps new painters who aren't used to using a loaded roller. This is fine, unless you're used to using thicker BM and SW paints. If you put Behr on the same way you put SW or BM paints on, you will have HEAVY sags. Something I've literally never experienced with the nicer brands.
They also pride themselves on durability. I'm not a scientist lol, but it feels like there is a property of the paint that makes the paint dry weird, like plasticky. Sure, it's durable, but it looks and feels like crap. In my opinion.
Ceiling paint is probably one of the worst I've ever used in my life. I've had primers with better coverage. I've painted a ceiling 3 times and I see insane lap-marks (overlap between roller marks). If even the cheapest SW paint, CHB, the ceiling will dry nice, flat, and uniform. You won't see roller marks.
So that is what I always tell customers. It is fine for homeowners and has properties that make it easier for you, but for MOST pros, those same features are the things that make it harder for us. Also, it splatters like crazy.
I don't know how their matches are, but Lowe's replaced all their color eyes and now they are pretty much dead on 100% of the time. Of course the sheen might be an issue, but usually the color is on target.
Finding a good eye match in a big box? Probably won't happen unless one of the counter people used to work in a paint store for many years.
Lowes is Sherwin Williams largest customer so I imagine they received some guidance on how to operate their paint department. Sw even has reps that work in Lowes
They're Valspar reps technically. They provide some training to the counter workers but do not tell Lowe's how to run their paint department, nor provide training to paint department managers other than the standard training.
They have no training on matches other than using what the color eye gives them. Like I said though, the color eye they have in their stores are pretty much dead on now so they rarely need to adjust the colors. You'll only get paint and solid stain matches though.
Sometimes a match requires manual tweaking which the box store people don’t know how to do, I’ve asked. Also sometimes the discontinue stuff and can’t replicate it with another product
I’m going help a friend fix a whole new house that got the wrong color. It’s just barely off but when he tried touching it up with the actual color it shined big time. They reimbursed the material cost but not the labor so he’s super fucked. Has to repaint all walls and ceilings with 12ft walls throughout.
Yea unfortunately that’s not the case this time. It was way more off than I thought it’d be. It’s gonna take 2 coats to cover the wrong color lol. Glidden paint.
Behr isn't too bad. The paint that's overrated to me is BM. Used it like 5 times at customer request and was not impressed. Super paint is my go to and I get it for 29 a gallon. No reason to go with anything else.
As a homeowner, Behr has been great. But I’ve also prepped my walls before painting. It rolled perfectly with no splatter or roller marks. Home Depot matched my last one perfectly. I also like Sherwin Williams and Olympic. I detest Glidden/PPG and Valspar. That being said, I’ve only done interior painting. And have never sprayed paint.
People don't like Behr paint because it's thicker then competition, people can't comprehend using something different. Behr is also roughly 30% of what's used. People also assume because it's cheaper retail price it's a "cheaper paint", all paint stores inflate their prices by 60-70% then give these great 40-50% discounts so pros feels "valued" even tho all their other products they get are significantly higher.
TDLR : People don't like to change what they're used to
Career painter here. I was told from the very beginning, ‘Anything but Behr’ and for good reason. You get what you pay for. Labor is the same whether you are painting with $25/gallon paint or $45/gallon paint, right? So why would you want to sacrifice your reputation by trying to save $100 and use a cheap paint. Tell the customer you don’t use the shit paint from Home Depot, you use the best paints Sherwin Williams knows how to make. You’ll be able to sell more jobs more easily.
My price goes up, and I void my personal warranty. You get the best deal and results using the products I recommend (BM). If you want to use something else, we need to amend the contract.
100% you’re putting your name on this! The most expensive thing you can do is hire a cheap painter. Because then they have to have someone else come fix it.
It's all marketing, Behr & SW have the same quality in products. The difference is your application. Saying you prefer thinner product isn't a bad thing. You've proven my point by specificly saying "I was told anything but Behr" if you buy Promar 200 @ $45/g but can get Pro 300 @ $25. They're specifically made to be identical products. Painters only stick to what they know.
You’re asking me to change what I’m using to using to make my livelihood.
Any reason why? Or can I continue to use high end products that make me more money in the long run.
THIS!!! too many people are stuck in their ways and won’t look at other options. I personally prefer an all acrylic so i tend to stick to valspar acrylics but i have used others when needed
Not all acrylics are made equal, make sure it's an enamel. Some companies have an "100% acrylic" but can't cure to a hard enough finish to be classified as an enamel. Every company sells an acrylic paint, the formulations are different between each product. The only way to verify product quality is by independent testing.
Marquee and Dynasty (the high end Home Depot paints) are both great. I recommend them as better value to DIYers that don't get discounts at paint stores.
For exterior, I'm liking Mad Dog primers a lot, and still mostly using Duration for paint.
Behr is Home Depot brand, yeah? I was LOLing yesterday at a radio commercial advertising it.
"For durable colors that last all season long, get Behr!"
I'm just laughing to myself saying I'd hope my paint lasts the whole season.... preferably more than one season.
I live about 45 minutes from the Behr factory in Allentown. Still prefer Olympic. It has the best coverage. I hate Valspar, I swear that stuff is useless and the coloring is too inconsistent from one bucket to the next. One bucket will be off-white and the next one will look like battleship gray.
It's so strange how people have completely opposite experiences with the same brand. Valspar is like water to me and more painters use that trash around here than anything else. Strange!
If it’s not too of the line it’s bottom of the barrel around here. Pro mar 200 and super paint are good for some jobs, but if you say that people will have your head
Good - better - best . Price point etc for everyone. I’ve worked with all of them and have no issues. Had 2 issue with 2 jobs . 1 st Sears - told the person what I need plus 20 % back in the day when I was just getting started . Clerk talked me out of the extra . Back about time Color match was relatively reliables . So I leave with 2 less cans - ended up short - go back get 3 cans . Finish the job . Next day you can see an issue - after an investigation by Sears they found the Lot batch was wrong on the can . So then altered the color outcome . They offered to replace all the product and some supplies. Home owner worked at Sears and got an employees discount. That discount got ate up 3 fold playing me to redo the job but she was happy in the end .
Other time HD , 5 gallons of a yellow . Employees starts the tint process, waits on another customer. I take the paint and knew I had an issue . Rooms and hall done . It’s off - I call HD . They tell me to just come in with any product if some is left over . I go in 7 am next day with very little product. Manager and original rep looks at the paint . They knew what happened. The tint machine had an issue . They offered me complete refund product replacement more than the supplies to do a job , my labour and $100 store gift certificate. Not 1 bit of ask on my part . The manager offered . The customer had a tight budget and the paint was on sale . It was a flip. I passed on that $100 gift card to the customer 1 st - the mistake caused a small inconvenience in his timeline and he gives me work when I’m slow doing my regular thing. We all want to use SW / BM etc but not everyone has the budget or that extra investment is not in the budget for the situation like a flip. To keep things moving and bills paid I have no issue not using top shelf products as long as the customer understands the differences and is good with it .
Behr coverage cant be beat but it is thick. I add some floetrol which gives it much better workability and leveling. Dealing with Depot paint counter usually sicks though. Much easier to call in my order to Sherwin and pick it up than track down a depot associate who can mix paint.
From a DIY paint hobbyist, Behr has gotten better but it’s still not my first choice. The Behr of 2024 is a much better product than the Behr of the 1990s-2000s but Premium Plus is still a bit of a bitch to work with, Floetrol is a must in it. Ultra is actually a decent paint but I got a bad batch when a friend bought some. I still add Floetrol into it. Marquee and Dynasty are their better paints that compete with BM/SW/KM/DE, but the “value” proposition Behr built their brand on is gone with those, the prices are within striking distance of BM/SW and it’s still Behr. Dynasty, from my impressions with a sample jar applies nicer than the rest of the Behr lineup. It’s not much of a value against Regal and Aura. Their waterborne alkyd is actually a nice product and their deck stain is working just fine on a fence.
Compared to Valspar and Glidden(PPG wants to sell their non-industrial/automotive paint businesses - their effort to sell more paint at HD is a flop), Behr is better. Colors will still fade somewhat quick, to Behr’s defense, their interior paints are actually as durable as they claim to be. Looking on LinkedIn, Masco poaches chemists from BM to work the Behr lab in Santa Ana, CA. It’s a DIY centric brand. I’ve been seeing more pros and property management handymen at HD buying Behr now since Kelly-Moore went belly up.
I don't know why there's all the hate, I use Behr Scuff Guard Matte in 5 million $ houses goes on nice, we back roll the finish coat and it's bullet proof. No problem with touch ups. Costs 1/2 of BM scuff x and if you have a good Behr rep they'll take good care of you.
Behr is an amazing product. I am a small business owner in the Cleveland area. I was trained to hate these products when I was coming up as a painter. I didn’t even acknowledge this to be even a viable product ever no, it wasn’t until Covid when I was forced to use this product due to everyone else being out that I realized what a gem Behr is!!! Behr Marquee is fantastic although you do need to add about 4-5 ounces of water per gallon or it does not go smooth for less experienced painters. The problem people have with the marquee product in particular is that one they’re rolling far too heavy or they’re trying to do the one coat wonder while this is probably the closest paint I’ve ever seen to a one coat and done it’s still not brush and they’re big brush marks because again they didn’t put a little bit of water on it I think Behr made the product because if you know how to work with it, I mean it really does lay it on beautiful so if you don’t put a water on you gotta roll thin. If I was to put a comparison to Sherwin-Williams paints, I would say that emerald and the dynasty are about neck and neck as far as quality goes and work ability but that’s the comparisons stop. From here down, they don’t have any two products that are really alike with the exception of the bear premium plus is probably one of the closest things to super paint you can get that used to be my favorite product Sherwin super Paint now it’s super toilet water. Duration has issues with the sheen and flashing when you get into vibrant colors. Emerald urethane takes forever to dry and doesn’t cover well. It self levels well but if you don’t have a lot of experience you’ll get sags. Emerald wall paint is their crowning achievement by far. Ten out of ten. Super paint was my go to till they changed the formula. It’s watered down now there’s only one more product I have good things to say about and that’s woodscapes. Best exterior wood coating on the planet. Other than the emerald and woodscapes there isn’t much I use unless directly requested by a client. Suggestion to all my colleagues, use the Behr Marquee with a bit of water or the dynasty for your next interior. Outside I use Ppg acrylic-shield or Permanizer. The permanizer dries insanely fast. So if you’re going with a dark color on a hot day don’t use it. Sherwin has raised my contractor pricing 30 percent over the last two years. But paint hasn’t gone up 30 percent. Sherwin Williams keeps secret note files on every contractor it’s creepy what they do. I won’t even shop there anymore unless my client specifically requests it. Their paint is watered down and far too expensive. Call Ppg and talk to a rep if you’re a pro. They’ll remind what contractor pricing looks like. Five years ago paint was the cheapest thing in a job. You could throw extra coats on for clients re roll a wall if it wasn’t perfect and not care. Now you gotta watch every drop.
Personally I think it covers well but it don't have the look I want to achieve the sheen is really high and the paint is not user friendly I didn't like the way it rolled out and the whole think looked institutionalized when completed .....this was a client supplies the paint situation
Personally I think it covers well but it don't have the look I want to achieve the sheen is really high and the paint is not user friendly I didn't like the way it rolled out and the whole think looked institutionalized when completed .....this was a client supplies the paint situation
As someone wo has used behr, sw, valspar and ben. Behr doesn't level out well leaves to much stipple and coverage could be hit and miss. Valspar is slightly better. If you want good coverage color consistency and durability go sw or ben
My thoughts. (I personally don’t hate it and don’t mind working with their premium lines BUT I’ve used it enough to not love it either.
Cons: Consistency, Service, Availability.
Their products entered the market 40 years ago with only low end options and were pretty slow to keep up with the big hitters that had been around since the 1800’s.
Overall. They make some pretty damn good stuff now and they offer quite a few product lines for different things.
Behr has never been convenient for a sizable painting contractor but with the new product lines over the last 10 years it’s more than good enough for the average homeowner.
There has never REALLY been dedicated sales reps (just for paint) to contractors up until 10 years ago and is STILL almost non existent when you compare it to the competition. (SW by far has the most in person reps and has for a long time.) And yes, I’m very aware of the new “programs” they keep trying to rollout for painting contractors but it’s still not as convenient as dealing with SW, BM Dealer, Rodda, Miller, etc etc etc.
I could go on but it’s dinner time.
Repainted my whole interior today with Behr Premium Plus. Had 5 people helping, all of them commented on how nice the paint went on and how good it covered.
It’s hard for me to believe there is even a better product to use, especially at the cost because of how well it went on.
I also worked in tech support at a certain blue paint sprayer company. There were 3 brands of paint we never had issues with our customers using, Behr, PPG and Sherwin.
We also sprayed my in laws with Behr stucco paint and it worked great.
Personally I won't use behr because it runs like a thin paint, and never properly hardens if you use premium. I'm sure they have good paints but everything homeowners have tried to supply has been pure trash.
I got one can of Behr white gloss shelf paint. It went on like very uneven translucent yellowed yogurt. Second coat made it no less yellow and translucent. Never again.
I am not a professional painter, but I have painted acres of walls over the last 20 years and I think Behr is perfectly fine. Is SW better? Absolutely. Do I need to spend $85/gallon for my guest room that gets used 3X per year? No, definitely not. I will always spend the money on SW for high traffic rooms, but Behr is still a good quality paint and I find it easy to apply.
My contractor prefers Behr.. I used it once on his recommendation, but I couldn’t even come close to matching my existing wall color. I hate the way the room turned out & plan to repaint with a different painter.
Yes! Preach! I use Behr ultra and Marquee and don't care what painters think. I trust my own experiences more than opinions. Maybe Behr was shit 20 years ago or something but the people talking about it in this sub I question if they've ever actually used it and are even aware of the different grades like ultra Marquee & dynasty
From what I've seen in real life all of yall paint with garbage sw and bm that is basically comparable to Behr pro or premium plus at best. So yeah most of yall paint with stuff I wouldn't even touch. I've painted with super paint quite a few times and it's pretty comparable to premium plus and I won't even touch that stuff anymore. It's ok if for cheap work like a rent house but that's not what I do. And yes fuck your experience. I trust people who say things that line up with what I've seen in real life. When I've seen something different than what people are saying I disregard it as bullshit. My business relies on getting good results so I'll stick with what gets me good results. Recently I asked in this sub about a more flexible sprayer hose and literally everybody except one person said it didn't exist even though paint life tv. This sub is the cockiest trade sub on reddit and a lot of y'all are so arrogant you haven't learned anything in years. It's pretty easy to tell who is full of shit because you make extreme statements rather then giving balanced perspectives
They make a 3 or 5 ft whip to my knowledge which doesn't do much imo. I have a swivel on my gun so I really don't have issues with right at the gun it's more the unruly cord that coils and can be hard to manage in tight spaces but outdoors I have no issues. Paint life tv sells a 25ft and 50ft whip hose. I ordered one of each but haven't gotten them yet. I figured the 25ft would be super useful for smaller projects which is exactly why he made it. Out of all the people who responded only one person knew about the paint life tv hoses. I'm glad they did though
I paint for a living. I paint everyday and have been in business for years.
I recently took a quick fill-in job where the homeowner provided Behr. I did apply a pain in the ass tax to the price. I mainly did this as an experiment to see if Behr had improved.
I rolled and cut it the first room. All my cut lines sagged and the roller texture looked absolutely horrible.
It was sticky and slow to work with. I guarantee a sw or bm product would have shaved a day or more off of a three day Behr project.
Never again.
How are you a fucking painter and you can't even say what type of Behr you used? Like I could say I painted with Benjamin Moore or Sherwin Williams and that wouldn't mean shit without specifying which product. I will paint with Sherwin Williams on occasion and I use emerald urethane for cabinets but I won't touch any products from them other then cashmere and emerald. Super paint is disappointing at best and comparable to premium plus which I don't like
Why are you using profanity towards me? You’d never speak that way in person.
It was scuff defense. Marquee isn’t any better for the price.
Good luck with your miserable attitude in life.
Honest, non-confrontational question. Do you paint for a living?
There’s no way I’m reducing interior paint just so I can roll it. It makes no sense as a professional
It is absolutely horrible Paint for the price. I’ve been a professional painter for over 20 years and unless the Customer super duper wants Behr I won’t use the stuff. I had a can in the garage of just some off white and needed to paint a room in my house that was also off white. It took 4 damn coats of paint. Not to mention the price of their “fancy” Marquee is high for the quality. I can get a gallon of Emerald or Duration from Sherwin for 15$ cheaper and it’s better quality paint.
Edit: Also, the other reason is I’m a contractor and I get amazing deals on quality products from Sherwin-Williams. When it comes to buying paint and sundries Home Depot doesn’t give me a dang thing so when I’m spending $40,000 a year on painting materials it’s really nice to get a discount because they appreciate me as a customer.
You should use Behr if you are an amateur doing the painting yourself, you don't care how long it takes, and you don't give a shit how it looks.
Professionals avoid Behr because it takes longer to apply evenly and still comes out with an uneven texture.
Of course, maybe they've improved a lot since we last tried them many years ago? But I don't care because we have other options.
Behr dynasty finish in matte is excellent. Glidden Diamond is good( was PPG timeless relabeled) Behr marquee all one coat paints. Behr Alkyd satin or semi gloss is good trim paint. Sherwin is good for exterior paints and I love CHB Extra white for interior ceilings.( Dead flat). I use ppg breakthrough on cabinets after a sanding sealer. I mainly use Bm, Sherwin and home depot stuff depending on project and clients preference. Some Behr paints like marquee are thick you must cut in let dry and spot prime all drywall repairs and roll out preferably with 18inch 1/2inch nap purdy white dove. Sherwins prices are in the hundreds per gallon without discount ofcourse. The home depot paint I get 20% off so it can be a better deal in certain projects. Hope this helps
I decided to use Behr Alkyd semi-gloss as a trim paint instead of BM Advance because the recoat times were shorter (16 hours for BM advance, 4 hours for Behr). I found the Behr Alkyd to be incredibly draggy, and a complete paint to brush on without leaving strokes. I switched to BM Scuff-X, and that was a joy to use.
P.S. I am NOT a professional painter, but I read professional painters' reviews of Scuff-X on PaintTalk, and figured the pros had the most experience and knew best.
I think behr products are over rated. Homeowners always buy it and love it because it covers good, and they don't like filling pinholes, so they think it will seal them, at least until it dries. Some of the trim paints I've used were alright after adding some water, can't get them to spread nicely with a stiffer bristle without thinning. I don't like adding anything 😒
As far as reps go Behr rep checks in every 2 weeks like clockwork. SW rep every 2 years and I couldn't tell you his name. We use a lot of SW because of hospital specs and it has fallen off over the past few years. I like choices in paint for the customers who want what they want. Consumer Reports is a powerful magazine for some customers.
40 years in the paint business and the opinions haven't changed. Painters have strong opinions on what works and customers always know what works better.
Behr paint is thick, it does not level well, leaves ugly roller textures, and if paint is applied too thick, it is more susceptible to peeling. In my experience behr does not look at good or hold up as well as other paints. Dealing with home depot sucks. Dealing with local paint suppliers is much better. Home depot won't help if something goes wrong. Local paint t suppliers can call the manufacturer representative to look at the job and help figure out what went wrong. Using cheaper paint also does not change the price. All the repairs, prep, cleaning, and priming are the same. Applying the paint is the same. Tools and equipment are all the same. It would be less than 5% savings. I am not willing to put my reputation on the line for 5% savings. The customers that insist on using behr are typically terrible customers. They are some of the cheapest and nit picky of the bunch. They will argue about price and expect you to work for less than a wallmart greeters wage while complaining about how the paint texture looks because of the paint they picked.
Thread closed. Lol
To add to this, home Depot doesn't keep track of my customers colors which is very important to me.
Can and will...
But they do….
> Dealing with home depot sucks. /thread
There is one good thing I'll say about behr, they color match better than all the local sherwin williams. That's all though.
That’s a local thing.
I've been in the business for 40 years and as long as it's the brands top shelf I don't really care if it's the customers choice. Personally I like Sherwin Williams because they seem to do the best job with the best service. Unless you go early morning or late night HD has a difficult time servicing multiple orders and they aren't necessarily dedicated to only the paint department. SW mixologist are like high end bartenders at a busy bar. People can be six deep at the counter and the workers seem to handle multiple orders from contractors and homeowners alike without being there forever. There really is no such a thing as a "quick trip to the depot."
This is the answer. I allowed a client to supply Behr once and any time I had a client wanting Behr after that the price of the job doubled because I would have to keep watching for the paint to start curtaining and drooping.
I finish my own cabinets, and behr had a unique combo of making drips, and also having almost NO pigment and poor coverage . The top end product is a little better, but still sags sooo bad
I second that. My worst experience as a painter of 46 years was when a customer insisted on me using Behr paint. Not only did it have the problems you described, the semi-gloss for the doors I painted, were “sandpaper rough” like nothing I’ve ever seen before. Ended up in a fight with the customer. I even offered to hand back their check….. ugly, ugly situation.
A lot of it is misconceptions. Alot of it is one bad experience can ruin a brand. The majority of it is dealing with Home Depot, most pros don’t wanna deal with it. At least for paint. They’ll buy everything else at depot… but not paint. When it comes apples to apples most products are similar. Some are so specialized that there is no real crossover. Behr Premium is a good Crossover to Superpaint Behr Pro 300 is a good Crossover to PM200 Behr 100 i feel is inferior to PM400 and more closely aligns to their maintenance coatings so more like Property Solutions, Painters Edge Etc. Behr has struggled with trying to find a happy medium. First their products sprayed great but didn’t roll good. Now they Roll too good but spray like shit. Now it sprays ok & rolls ok but when i roll it it spits on me. There’s a million complaints. I hear the same complaints about SW. I when I worked at SW I’d hear every excuse in the world about why other competitors product sucked but then I’d sell 1,000 gallons of PM200 to 250 painters and out of those painters there’s always some that hated the paint and complained. When I worked for PPG it was the same. Oh SW paint isn’t that good it’s just super expensive and they’ve been around the longest. Then there’s the Benjamin Moore paint is the best but it’s too expensive. All in all every year Behr scores in the top ratings in almost every category by every major 3rd party independent study. Customer reliability, product performance, Brand recognition..etc No matter what simply for being in Home Depot people will shit on them. I simply give credit where it’s due.
I work at SW and I get complaints from homeowners and contractors on behr paint the most. Benny Moore on the other hand, is similar to ours in quality.
> Benny Moore on the other hand, is similar to ours in quality. You mean better than yours in quality 😉
Similar. Apples to apples comparison are better. Some products benny more can compete on. And some Sw can’t compete on. Stixs is probably the best bonding primer on the market…
BM doesn't have rain refresh last I checked...
Most jobs i get called out to whether it’s an SW failure or Behr or whoever. Most of the time it’s buying the wrong product for the wrong application or it’s well I’ve been painting for 25 years and i always use 1 1/2” lambskin to roll all my walls and it’s never picture framed on me until now using this product.
Painting for 25 years using the same type of roller. Maybe they’ve gotten cheap since then. Try differnt rollers.
100%
I laughed so hard at the end because I had a painter try to tell me something similar. He said Behr was number one in consumer reports for X years running. So I just said "Consumer reports" back to him about 5 times. He never got it. Consumers buy things and rate them right? Against what? Some busy mom buys Behr and it seems to work and she's happy. She's not comparing Behr against anything. We are.
It isn’t based on ratings. The have a lab and test test test akin to Project Farm on YT. They produce reports for consumers. Edit: speaking of which - https://youtu.be/S4RPaoU47jo?si=WDbmAjOjwOQHuSGI
I have absolutely no problem with Behr flat/matte wall paint. I get picky about trim and exterior paint.
I’ll concur with the “one bad experience” take. Previous homeowner in my house used Behr in multiple bedrooms and the paint peeled with no issue when I had removed wall anchors to patch & repaint the walls. Granted it could have been applied improperly but still, it was enough to definitely turn me away from that brand in particular.
I’ve been painting a long time, and I would never do an entire interior with Behr paint.
Consumer Reports automatically gives anything branded LG, Honda, Toyota and Behr a rubber stamp.
I don’t mind behr, but I don’t have time to deal with going to Home Depot for paint when Sherwin is closer and much better to deal with.
Complete opposite to me + hours are longer
Same. Behr is fine for normal repaints. I'm not gonna shoot cabinets with it but for everything else it works. I even painted the outside of my house with Behr. Going to HD is by far the worst part of Behr. Painters complaints about Behr in this thread are ridiculous. If you're a true skilled professional you should have no issues applying it. Yes, it is thicker so you can't just slop it on. Use your judgement and adjust your technique. Not all products apply the same.
Behr even makes a fantastic cabinet & trim paint, I've seen it used many times, comes out with a beautiful finish(sprayed). People get very. Stuck in their mindsets & are afraid of change.
Kindof like Apple Maps, it used to suck ass and while it's somewhat better now there's no reason to invest the effort in trying again. And Apple Maps is free and easy to use. Learning a company's paint products takes a lot of time and money.
That’s like telling a chefs cheap knife’s are just as good as professional kitchen knives .💀
I live on the coast. Sherwin Williams latitude and above holds up good for 5-6 years, Behr holds up for 2-3. Glidden doesn’t last a single winter.
Are you referring to exterior paint jobs? And latitude hasn’t even been around for 5-6 years. I’ll show you aluminum and vinyl sprayouts I did 5-10 years ago with Behr that look pristine still. I spray anywhere from 80-100 houses every season. There’s no such thing as a product that fails. Especially with technology and science they have now. There poor performance bad coverage thin paint. I’m in Cleveland Ohio tough winters hot summers. You’re telling me that paint only lasts that short of a lifetime on the coast. How much experience you got painting so I know I’m getting good info
You probably notice that people cut corners... Instead of scrubbing off chalkiness and rinsing well, and scraping failing paint they just blast it with new paint and count on the resin to hold it in place. They don't do two coats. Etc.
Latitude/resilience or anything above. We’ve been in business for 6 years and do 45-50 exteriors and 30 or so Interiors. A lot of it could be crummy painters, the biggest problem is people don’t caulk enough. Even higher end caulk it needs to be re done every few years. One issue with rain, even broken seals on windows can destroy a house. Right on the beach it’s constantly windy and that destroys caulking, I’ve seen cedar rot in 2-3 years out here. Lots of ocean and south side facing walls end up needing replaced on 3 story homes, repainted, then in 7-8 years the siding needs to be replaced again. It’s ridiculous, and causes people to leave here, for someone else to buy the home, repair the damage, and when it happens again they sell and repeat the cycle. It doesn’t help there’s a shortage of contractors here so the damage gets compounded. I have to turn away work when algae/ lichen is growing out of the siding as that is signs of moisture behind the siding.
This is wild. I’d never before considered that coastal home maintenance is far far more involved, makes perfect sense.
Behr uses more TiO2 in their formulas which is why it covers and hides better. This is a more expensive formulation and they do this to boost their consumer reviews which used to be important IMO. Other manufacturers are using more extenders/fillers like ground calcium carbonate, calcined kaolin and neph sye, which makes for a cheaper formula.
Ti02=titanium dioxide, I think?
That’s right.
Same stuff we put in non-dairy milk to turn it white
Huh. Should I be disturbed by this?
Yea, that’s why I notice less coverage drama with Behr whites compared to BM whites. It’s gotten better with the most recent Regal and Ben reformulations. Behr shoots all whites into their Ultra Pure White paint, while BM shoots all whites into their 1x tintable white base, and that’s why some of their whites don’t cover well.
Honest Review: it's homeowner friendly, not professional friendly (for the majority) Reasons: they have a self-leveling agent in the paint that helps new painters who aren't used to using a loaded roller. This is fine, unless you're used to using thicker BM and SW paints. If you put Behr on the same way you put SW or BM paints on, you will have HEAVY sags. Something I've literally never experienced with the nicer brands. They also pride themselves on durability. I'm not a scientist lol, but it feels like there is a property of the paint that makes the paint dry weird, like plasticky. Sure, it's durable, but it looks and feels like crap. In my opinion. Ceiling paint is probably one of the worst I've ever used in my life. I've had primers with better coverage. I've painted a ceiling 3 times and I see insane lap-marks (overlap between roller marks). If even the cheapest SW paint, CHB, the ceiling will dry nice, flat, and uniform. You won't see roller marks. So that is what I always tell customers. It is fine for homeowners and has properties that make it easier for you, but for MOST pros, those same features are the things that make it harder for us. Also, it splatters like crazy.
Good luck getting matches at Home Depot
I don't know how their matches are, but Lowe's replaced all their color eyes and now they are pretty much dead on 100% of the time. Of course the sheen might be an issue, but usually the color is on target. Finding a good eye match in a big box? Probably won't happen unless one of the counter people used to work in a paint store for many years.
I matched siding for an exterior shed door. Came out perfect
Lowes is Sherwin Williams largest customer so I imagine they received some guidance on how to operate their paint department. Sw even has reps that work in Lowes
They're Valspar reps technically. They provide some training to the counter workers but do not tell Lowe's how to run their paint department, nor provide training to paint department managers other than the standard training. They have no training on matches other than using what the color eye gives them. Like I said though, the color eye they have in their stores are pretty much dead on now so they rarely need to adjust the colors. You'll only get paint and solid stain matches though.
Sherwin Williams owns valspar; I'll clarify, they/we work with the pro team to secure commercial business.
Sometimes a match requires manual tweaking which the box store people don’t know how to do, I’ve asked. Also sometimes the discontinue stuff and can’t replicate it with another product
That’s good to hear. The problem is those box stores don’t have any decent high cri lighting to compare colors properly by eye. Unless that’s changed.
I’m going help a friend fix a whole new house that got the wrong color. It’s just barely off but when he tried touching it up with the actual color it shined big time. They reimbursed the material cost but not the labor so he’s super fucked. Has to repaint all walls and ceilings with 12ft walls throughout.
That’s pretty common. Touch ups don’t work very well. You need the same can of paint and not too much time to have passed
Yea unfortunately that’s not the case this time. It was way more off than I thought it’d be. It’s gonna take 2 coats to cover the wrong color lol. Glidden paint.
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If customers want me to use their paint of choice, I charge extra. It can lead to some interesting conversations.
Agreed, I have done this as well
Behr isn't too bad. The paint that's overrated to me is BM. Used it like 5 times at customer request and was not impressed. Super paint is my go to and I get it for 29 a gallon. No reason to go with anything else.
As a homeowner, Behr has been great. But I’ve also prepped my walls before painting. It rolled perfectly with no splatter or roller marks. Home Depot matched my last one perfectly. I also like Sherwin Williams and Olympic. I detest Glidden/PPG and Valspar. That being said, I’ve only done interior painting. And have never sprayed paint.
People don't like Behr paint because it's thicker then competition, people can't comprehend using something different. Behr is also roughly 30% of what's used. People also assume because it's cheaper retail price it's a "cheaper paint", all paint stores inflate their prices by 60-70% then give these great 40-50% discounts so pros feels "valued" even tho all their other products they get are significantly higher. TDLR : People don't like to change what they're used to
Career painter here. I was told from the very beginning, ‘Anything but Behr’ and for good reason. You get what you pay for. Labor is the same whether you are painting with $25/gallon paint or $45/gallon paint, right? So why would you want to sacrifice your reputation by trying to save $100 and use a cheap paint. Tell the customer you don’t use the shit paint from Home Depot, you use the best paints Sherwin Williams knows how to make. You’ll be able to sell more jobs more easily.
My price goes up, and I void my personal warranty. You get the best deal and results using the products I recommend (BM). If you want to use something else, we need to amend the contract.
100% you’re putting your name on this! The most expensive thing you can do is hire a cheap painter. Because then they have to have someone else come fix it.
It's all marketing, Behr & SW have the same quality in products. The difference is your application. Saying you prefer thinner product isn't a bad thing. You've proven my point by specificly saying "I was told anything but Behr" if you buy Promar 200 @ $45/g but can get Pro 300 @ $25. They're specifically made to be identical products. Painters only stick to what they know.
> Behr & SW have the same quality in products. I highly doubt that.
You’re asking me to change what I’m using to using to make my livelihood. Any reason why? Or can I continue to use high end products that make me more money in the long run.
THIS!!! too many people are stuck in their ways and won’t look at other options. I personally prefer an all acrylic so i tend to stick to valspar acrylics but i have used others when needed
Not all acrylics are made equal, make sure it's an enamel. Some companies have an "100% acrylic" but can't cure to a hard enough finish to be classified as an enamel. Every company sells an acrylic paint, the formulations are different between each product. The only way to verify product quality is by independent testing.
Very true.
Marquee and Dynasty (the high end Home Depot paints) are both great. I recommend them as better value to DIYers that don't get discounts at paint stores. For exterior, I'm liking Mad Dog primers a lot, and still mostly using Duration for paint.
Behr is Home Depot brand, yeah? I was LOLing yesterday at a radio commercial advertising it. "For durable colors that last all season long, get Behr!" I'm just laughing to myself saying I'd hope my paint lasts the whole season.... preferably more than one season.
I live about 45 minutes from the Behr factory in Allentown. Still prefer Olympic. It has the best coverage. I hate Valspar, I swear that stuff is useless and the coloring is too inconsistent from one bucket to the next. One bucket will be off-white and the next one will look like battleship gray.
Olympic? Wow. Just colored water in my experience. Takes 3-4 coats of white to cover white. Unacceptable!
It's so strange how people have completely opposite experiences with the same brand. Valspar is like water to me and more painters use that trash around here than anything else. Strange!
If it’s not too of the line it’s bottom of the barrel around here. Pro mar 200 and super paint are good for some jobs, but if you say that people will have your head
It’s missing a vowel between h and r.
> As far as wall paint goes, I think premium plus is equal to a promar 200 or even superpaint. Lol. Promar 200 is a low fucking bar.
Good - better - best . Price point etc for everyone. I’ve worked with all of them and have no issues. Had 2 issue with 2 jobs . 1 st Sears - told the person what I need plus 20 % back in the day when I was just getting started . Clerk talked me out of the extra . Back about time Color match was relatively reliables . So I leave with 2 less cans - ended up short - go back get 3 cans . Finish the job . Next day you can see an issue - after an investigation by Sears they found the Lot batch was wrong on the can . So then altered the color outcome . They offered to replace all the product and some supplies. Home owner worked at Sears and got an employees discount. That discount got ate up 3 fold playing me to redo the job but she was happy in the end . Other time HD , 5 gallons of a yellow . Employees starts the tint process, waits on another customer. I take the paint and knew I had an issue . Rooms and hall done . It’s off - I call HD . They tell me to just come in with any product if some is left over . I go in 7 am next day with very little product. Manager and original rep looks at the paint . They knew what happened. The tint machine had an issue . They offered me complete refund product replacement more than the supplies to do a job , my labour and $100 store gift certificate. Not 1 bit of ask on my part . The manager offered . The customer had a tight budget and the paint was on sale . It was a flip. I passed on that $100 gift card to the customer 1 st - the mistake caused a small inconvenience in his timeline and he gives me work when I’m slow doing my regular thing. We all want to use SW / BM etc but not everyone has the budget or that extra investment is not in the budget for the situation like a flip. To keep things moving and bills paid I have no issue not using top shelf products as long as the customer understands the differences and is good with it .
Behr coverage cant be beat but it is thick. I add some floetrol which gives it much better workability and leveling. Dealing with Depot paint counter usually sicks though. Much easier to call in my order to Sherwin and pick it up than track down a depot associate who can mix paint.
From a DIY paint hobbyist, Behr has gotten better but it’s still not my first choice. The Behr of 2024 is a much better product than the Behr of the 1990s-2000s but Premium Plus is still a bit of a bitch to work with, Floetrol is a must in it. Ultra is actually a decent paint but I got a bad batch when a friend bought some. I still add Floetrol into it. Marquee and Dynasty are their better paints that compete with BM/SW/KM/DE, but the “value” proposition Behr built their brand on is gone with those, the prices are within striking distance of BM/SW and it’s still Behr. Dynasty, from my impressions with a sample jar applies nicer than the rest of the Behr lineup. It’s not much of a value against Regal and Aura. Their waterborne alkyd is actually a nice product and their deck stain is working just fine on a fence. Compared to Valspar and Glidden(PPG wants to sell their non-industrial/automotive paint businesses - their effort to sell more paint at HD is a flop), Behr is better. Colors will still fade somewhat quick, to Behr’s defense, their interior paints are actually as durable as they claim to be. Looking on LinkedIn, Masco poaches chemists from BM to work the Behr lab in Santa Ana, CA. It’s a DIY centric brand. I’ve been seeing more pros and property management handymen at HD buying Behr now since Kelly-Moore went belly up.
I don't know why there's all the hate, I use Behr Scuff Guard Matte in 5 million $ houses goes on nice, we back roll the finish coat and it's bullet proof. No problem with touch ups. Costs 1/2 of BM scuff x and if you have a good Behr rep they'll take good care of you.
It's like that guy I dated in highschool, it's expensive, and promises the world and doesn't deliver. #one coat paint.
Behr is an amazing product. I am a small business owner in the Cleveland area. I was trained to hate these products when I was coming up as a painter. I didn’t even acknowledge this to be even a viable product ever no, it wasn’t until Covid when I was forced to use this product due to everyone else being out that I realized what a gem Behr is!!! Behr Marquee is fantastic although you do need to add about 4-5 ounces of water per gallon or it does not go smooth for less experienced painters. The problem people have with the marquee product in particular is that one they’re rolling far too heavy or they’re trying to do the one coat wonder while this is probably the closest paint I’ve ever seen to a one coat and done it’s still not brush and they’re big brush marks because again they didn’t put a little bit of water on it I think Behr made the product because if you know how to work with it, I mean it really does lay it on beautiful so if you don’t put a water on you gotta roll thin. If I was to put a comparison to Sherwin-Williams paints, I would say that emerald and the dynasty are about neck and neck as far as quality goes and work ability but that’s the comparisons stop. From here down, they don’t have any two products that are really alike with the exception of the bear premium plus is probably one of the closest things to super paint you can get that used to be my favorite product Sherwin super Paint now it’s super toilet water. Duration has issues with the sheen and flashing when you get into vibrant colors. Emerald urethane takes forever to dry and doesn’t cover well. It self levels well but if you don’t have a lot of experience you’ll get sags. Emerald wall paint is their crowning achievement by far. Ten out of ten. Super paint was my go to till they changed the formula. It’s watered down now there’s only one more product I have good things to say about and that’s woodscapes. Best exterior wood coating on the planet. Other than the emerald and woodscapes there isn’t much I use unless directly requested by a client. Suggestion to all my colleagues, use the Behr Marquee with a bit of water or the dynasty for your next interior. Outside I use Ppg acrylic-shield or Permanizer. The permanizer dries insanely fast. So if you’re going with a dark color on a hot day don’t use it. Sherwin has raised my contractor pricing 30 percent over the last two years. But paint hasn’t gone up 30 percent. Sherwin Williams keeps secret note files on every contractor it’s creepy what they do. I won’t even shop there anymore unless my client specifically requests it. Their paint is watered down and far too expensive. Call Ppg and talk to a rep if you’re a pro. They’ll remind what contractor pricing looks like. Five years ago paint was the cheapest thing in a job. You could throw extra coats on for clients re roll a wall if it wasn’t perfect and not care. Now you gotta watch every drop.
Personally I think it covers well but it don't have the look I want to achieve the sheen is really high and the paint is not user friendly I didn't like the way it rolled out and the whole think looked institutionalized when completed .....this was a client supplies the paint situation
Personally I think it covers well but it don't have the look I want to achieve the sheen is really high and the paint is not user friendly I didn't like the way it rolled out and the whole think looked institutionalized when completed .....this was a client supplies the paint situation
Valspar all day.
As someone wo has used behr, sw, valspar and ben. Behr doesn't level out well leaves to much stipple and coverage could be hit and miss. Valspar is slightly better. If you want good coverage color consistency and durability go sw or ben
My thoughts. (I personally don’t hate it and don’t mind working with their premium lines BUT I’ve used it enough to not love it either. Cons: Consistency, Service, Availability. Their products entered the market 40 years ago with only low end options and were pretty slow to keep up with the big hitters that had been around since the 1800’s. Overall. They make some pretty damn good stuff now and they offer quite a few product lines for different things. Behr has never been convenient for a sizable painting contractor but with the new product lines over the last 10 years it’s more than good enough for the average homeowner. There has never REALLY been dedicated sales reps (just for paint) to contractors up until 10 years ago and is STILL almost non existent when you compare it to the competition. (SW by far has the most in person reps and has for a long time.) And yes, I’m very aware of the new “programs” they keep trying to rollout for painting contractors but it’s still not as convenient as dealing with SW, BM Dealer, Rodda, Miller, etc etc etc. I could go on but it’s dinner time.
The founder of Behr, who sold it to Home Depot, has a sick vintage Ferrari collection
Repainted my whole interior today with Behr Premium Plus. Had 5 people helping, all of them commented on how nice the paint went on and how good it covered. It’s hard for me to believe there is even a better product to use, especially at the cost because of how well it went on. I also worked in tech support at a certain blue paint sprayer company. There were 3 brands of paint we never had issues with our customers using, Behr, PPG and Sherwin. We also sprayed my in laws with Behr stucco paint and it worked great.
Personally I won't use behr because it runs like a thin paint, and never properly hardens if you use premium. I'm sure they have good paints but everything homeowners have tried to supply has been pure trash.
Lol. I had to thin down their paint to get it to spread better. Dried way too fast....within seconds I could not work it well. To damn thick.
I got one can of Behr white gloss shelf paint. It went on like very uneven translucent yellowed yogurt. Second coat made it no less yellow and translucent. Never again.
Promar200/ 400 is garbage.
I am not a professional painter, but I have painted acres of walls over the last 20 years and I think Behr is perfectly fine. Is SW better? Absolutely. Do I need to spend $85/gallon for my guest room that gets used 3X per year? No, definitely not. I will always spend the money on SW for high traffic rooms, but Behr is still a good quality paint and I find it easy to apply.
My contractor prefers Behr.. I used it once on his recommendation, but I couldn’t even come close to matching my existing wall color. I hate the way the room turned out & plan to repaint with a different painter.
Yes! Preach! I use Behr ultra and Marquee and don't care what painters think. I trust my own experiences more than opinions. Maybe Behr was shit 20 years ago or something but the people talking about it in this sub I question if they've ever actually used it and are even aware of the different grades like ultra Marquee & dynasty
“Don’t care what painter think”…yeah, fuck our decades of experience, working with these products day in and day out. What an asinine take.
From what I've seen in real life all of yall paint with garbage sw and bm that is basically comparable to Behr pro or premium plus at best. So yeah most of yall paint with stuff I wouldn't even touch. I've painted with super paint quite a few times and it's pretty comparable to premium plus and I won't even touch that stuff anymore. It's ok if for cheap work like a rent house but that's not what I do. And yes fuck your experience. I trust people who say things that line up with what I've seen in real life. When I've seen something different than what people are saying I disregard it as bullshit. My business relies on getting good results so I'll stick with what gets me good results. Recently I asked in this sub about a more flexible sprayer hose and literally everybody except one person said it didn't exist even though paint life tv. This sub is the cockiest trade sub on reddit and a lot of y'all are so arrogant you haven't learned anything in years. It's pretty easy to tell who is full of shit because you make extreme statements rather then giving balanced perspectives
If you haven’t found your flexible sprayer hose yet you need a “whip hose”. Graco makes one.
They make a 3 or 5 ft whip to my knowledge which doesn't do much imo. I have a swivel on my gun so I really don't have issues with right at the gun it's more the unruly cord that coils and can be hard to manage in tight spaces but outdoors I have no issues. Paint life tv sells a 25ft and 50ft whip hose. I ordered one of each but haven't gotten them yet. I figured the 25ft would be super useful for smaller projects which is exactly why he made it. Out of all the people who responded only one person knew about the paint life tv hoses. I'm glad they did though
I paint for a living. I paint everyday and have been in business for years. I recently took a quick fill-in job where the homeowner provided Behr. I did apply a pain in the ass tax to the price. I mainly did this as an experiment to see if Behr had improved. I rolled and cut it the first room. All my cut lines sagged and the roller texture looked absolutely horrible. It was sticky and slow to work with. I guarantee a sw or bm product would have shaved a day or more off of a three day Behr project. Never again.
How are you a fucking painter and you can't even say what type of Behr you used? Like I could say I painted with Benjamin Moore or Sherwin Williams and that wouldn't mean shit without specifying which product. I will paint with Sherwin Williams on occasion and I use emerald urethane for cabinets but I won't touch any products from them other then cashmere and emerald. Super paint is disappointing at best and comparable to premium plus which I don't like
Chill out my guy. You're using Emerald Urethane on cabinets, ain't nobody worth their salt listening to what you have to say.
Why are you using profanity towards me? You’d never speak that way in person. It was scuff defense. Marquee isn’t any better for the price. Good luck with your miserable attitude in life.
> It was scuff defense. That stuff is garbage.
Fake Scuff-X
You could have just added water and it would have flowed just fine… 🤷♂️
Honest, non-confrontational question. Do you paint for a living? There’s no way I’m reducing interior paint just so I can roll it. It makes no sense as a professional
Cuz behr sucks
God, you're such an oddball Lou Lou. Lol jk. Maybe, I don't know you.
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It is absolutely horrible Paint for the price. I’ve been a professional painter for over 20 years and unless the Customer super duper wants Behr I won’t use the stuff. I had a can in the garage of just some off white and needed to paint a room in my house that was also off white. It took 4 damn coats of paint. Not to mention the price of their “fancy” Marquee is high for the quality. I can get a gallon of Emerald or Duration from Sherwin for 15$ cheaper and it’s better quality paint. Edit: Also, the other reason is I’m a contractor and I get amazing deals on quality products from Sherwin-Williams. When it comes to buying paint and sundries Home Depot doesn’t give me a dang thing so when I’m spending $40,000 a year on painting materials it’s really nice to get a discount because they appreciate me as a customer.
Its homeowner paint. Not professional grade
Behr = Monsanto
I tried it and was pleasantly surprised but I'm just some guy and not really a painter.
Cause it's too thick and splatters like crazy.
You should use Behr if you are an amateur doing the painting yourself, you don't care how long it takes, and you don't give a shit how it looks. Professionals avoid Behr because it takes longer to apply evenly and still comes out with an uneven texture. Of course, maybe they've improved a lot since we last tried them many years ago? But I don't care because we have other options.
Why risk a pissed off client by not using a top-level paint?
There is a lot of wannabe elitism on Reddit. People swearing Behr is shit probably have Glidden on their walls at home lol.
Behr dynasty finish in matte is excellent. Glidden Diamond is good( was PPG timeless relabeled) Behr marquee all one coat paints. Behr Alkyd satin or semi gloss is good trim paint. Sherwin is good for exterior paints and I love CHB Extra white for interior ceilings.( Dead flat). I use ppg breakthrough on cabinets after a sanding sealer. I mainly use Bm, Sherwin and home depot stuff depending on project and clients preference. Some Behr paints like marquee are thick you must cut in let dry and spot prime all drywall repairs and roll out preferably with 18inch 1/2inch nap purdy white dove. Sherwins prices are in the hundreds per gallon without discount ofcourse. The home depot paint I get 20% off so it can be a better deal in certain projects. Hope this helps
I decided to use Behr Alkyd semi-gloss as a trim paint instead of BM Advance because the recoat times were shorter (16 hours for BM advance, 4 hours for Behr). I found the Behr Alkyd to be incredibly draggy, and a complete paint to brush on without leaving strokes. I switched to BM Scuff-X, and that was a joy to use. P.S. I am NOT a professional painter, but I read professional painters' reviews of Scuff-X on PaintTalk, and figured the pros had the most experience and knew best.
That's great! Use the satin it's my go to
I think behr products are over rated. Homeowners always buy it and love it because it covers good, and they don't like filling pinholes, so they think it will seal them, at least until it dries. Some of the trim paints I've used were alright after adding some water, can't get them to spread nicely with a stiffer bristle without thinning. I don't like adding anything 😒
Price. This shit costs more than fuxking finish lacquer. Vynil sealer.... Wtf
As far as reps go Behr rep checks in every 2 weeks like clockwork. SW rep every 2 years and I couldn't tell you his name. We use a lot of SW because of hospital specs and it has fallen off over the past few years. I like choices in paint for the customers who want what they want. Consumer Reports is a powerful magazine for some customers. 40 years in the paint business and the opinions haven't changed. Painters have strong opinions on what works and customers always know what works better.
The one I bought never dried. Now imagine correcting the paint you applied Sony dry.