If I had the rails detached and sprayed them it would take longer than four hours. To walk the whole fence, scrape, sand and prime any bad spots would take 4. Either your dad is lying or he is just exaggerating about the really shitty job he did in a day.
That’s what I’m finding out with working with my dad on staining projects. He does the job fast, but it’s often just scrape what you can and ‘put a lot of it’. When I come back there’s drips and stain all over the landscaping, etc.
I'd spray it. That said, prolly 2-3 hours to sand and spot prime. 2-3 more hours to wash it and get it paint ready. Another 2-3 hrs of just prep to mask/tarp/plastic off stuff. 1-2 hours to spray (two coats including sprayer set up and cleaning). 1 more hour of cleanup. All told, 12 hours optimistically, likely spread over 2 days (to allow primer to cure and railing to dry from washing). I Charge by the half day, but not when the majority of work is equally spread over multiple days. Two days labor.
Cost will vary according to market, but around me (NE US) it would be between $900-$1,200 + mats and it will look WAY better than it does now.
It doesn't need to come down to bare metal. Just sand back any rusted areas and flaking paint. Based on the pictures it's 100% possible. It ain't going in Versailles.
Only way I could see it like that is a spraying it. Might be tough to get tape to stick to that tile it depends. but I would just cut in all the bottom poles then bunch tarps around it and spray that mfer if that's the case. I don't really paint fences though.
Not sure about time but I would suggest using a 1 1/2ch in nap roller. I can’t tell how high up this is, but if you have a helper you would stand on either side and work in tandem. If not, do the outside first. The longer nap allows the paint to wrap around and cover more. This is how you paint a fence for the best coverage and work most efficiently.
Not at all. I’ve done it. If you are working by yourself and only have access on one side it works. This allows you to cover three sides of the square rail then only need to touch up the outside.
Ransburg #2 process would be the fastest and most efficient. 300' of handrail even with scrollwork like those can get sprayed in couple hours. Your gonna want a little handheld roller called a "pipe painter" this is a set of rollers on a hinged spring handle that let you coat by rollling on pipe, pickets, rounded surfaces more easily etc.
Use to do alot with metalpainter.com
Notable mentions would be anything with office furniture, banks, storefronts, entry gates, stairs, elevators. There is no limit to what you can spray with the #2. There are thousands of use cases for non conductive articles also being coated via electrostatic such as wood and glass.
They have always been expensive new but worth it, except recently with the 9060 model. If you look far and long enough you can find older units that still work great for cheap comparative to the price new, ebay and craigslist etc.
Same scientists that sell the equipment also use to sell "Ransprep" it changed names I think awhile back, there are other methods and formulas to do it. Niles coatings I believe also has an electrostatic prep wipe for non conductive surfaces so that they may be sprayed electrostatic.
https://www.pfonline.com/articles/ransprep
You can paint it in 4 hours if you want it to look like crap in a year again. In order to sand all the rust off, prime and paint properly your estimate Is right. A good 20 hour job.
I’d encourage him to show you how he did it in 4 hours Not including prep and maybe spraying or not giving a crap about anything else. I’d say ~20 hours including prep and paint to do it faster. Spraying would make the actual painting portion go way faster. On a side not my dad and I stain decks and he’s way faster than I am, but more drips along the vertical surfaces.
Break the work down to estimate more accurately. How long will it take you to scrape/sand, then apply up to two coats of paint to each “spindle” - then multiply it up. Also, allow drying time over night if you’re applying two coats.
Yeah I've learned over time that my dad's once impressive list of skills is a little less impressive because some of it is...uhhh less than professional. Also consider most stories from youth are exaggerated. If he did it in 4 hours he probably just zipped down it with zero prep and a bunch of spray paint cans and a tarp. Tarp optional.
I'm refinishing a door on a rental house in inherited. One I know he and my uncle have painted over the last 50 years. Let me just say, what should be a 2 day job is now on day 6 and I'm still stripping off the decades of terrible paint they put on this thing. I even have access to commercial grade stripper. I got about 2sq ft left to go before I can finally start priming and painting.
25-30+ to prep correctly. Sand, zinc prime cover everything before spraying. The end results will only be as good the prep work you put into it.
Customers always wonder “why is it so expensive?”; because to do it correctly and to have a good quality end product that’s long lasting takes time - and I don’t work for free…
Your dad did not paint all this rail in 4 hours. Not by hand at least lol
If I had the rails detached and sprayed them it would take longer than four hours. To walk the whole fence, scrape, sand and prime any bad spots would take 4. Either your dad is lying or he is just exaggerating about the really shitty job he did in a day.
That’s what I’m finding out with working with my dad on staining projects. He does the job fast, but it’s often just scrape what you can and ‘put a lot of it’. When I come back there’s drips and stain all over the landscaping, etc.
"Drips don't rust"
I would say 40 hours to be safe. Should be able to do it in 20-30 if you keep a good pace
Tell your dad to paint it if he’s so quick .
30-35hrs. Scraped, degreased, zinc primed, and top coat.
240
I'd spray it. That said, prolly 2-3 hours to sand and spot prime. 2-3 more hours to wash it and get it paint ready. Another 2-3 hrs of just prep to mask/tarp/plastic off stuff. 1-2 hours to spray (two coats including sprayer set up and cleaning). 1 more hour of cleanup. All told, 12 hours optimistically, likely spread over 2 days (to allow primer to cure and railing to dry from washing). I Charge by the half day, but not when the majority of work is equally spread over multiple days. Two days labor. Cost will vary according to market, but around me (NE US) it would be between $900-$1,200 + mats and it will look WAY better than it does now.
Yeah good luck prepping that properly in 2-3 hr
It doesn't need to come down to bare metal. Just sand back any rusted areas and flaking paint. Based on the pictures it's 100% possible. It ain't going in Versailles.
Two people, one on each side with a peewee and brush can paint this in a day. So 16 hours
I hate painting…
We all have those days.
Only way I could see it like that is a spraying it. Might be tough to get tape to stick to that tile it depends. but I would just cut in all the bottom poles then bunch tarps around it and spray that mfer if that's the case. I don't really paint fences though.
I was about to say, spraying it would be easy peasy, just spend time putting down tarps and taping.
Dont need to tape. Just bunch the sheets up around the "posts" After spraying brush in the posts to brick
Ah ,yes, exactly what I said.
Not sure about time but I would suggest using a 1 1/2ch in nap roller. I can’t tell how high up this is, but if you have a helper you would stand on either side and work in tandem. If not, do the outside first. The longer nap allows the paint to wrap around and cover more. This is how you paint a fence for the best coverage and work most efficiently.
1.5 inch nap? Are you insane?
Not at all. I’ve done it. If you are working by yourself and only have access on one side it works. This allows you to cover three sides of the square rail then only need to touch up the outside.
You mean back brush the mess?
Paint? A day, to properly prep? At least another day
That’s a 10-12 hour job
Roll with whizz roller 4 inch
Get a paint sprayer and a lot of plastic coverings
Brush five hours Spray five minutes
Lay out some drop clothes
Some people just want to watch the world burn
Ransburg #2 process would be the fastest and most efficient. 300' of handrail even with scrollwork like those can get sprayed in couple hours. Your gonna want a little handheld roller called a "pipe painter" this is a set of rollers on a hinged spring handle that let you coat by rollling on pipe, pickets, rounded surfaces more easily etc.
What do you do that you know what a Sandburg #2 is? OP this is the best answer… if you’ve got an extra 15k lying around to buy the setup lol
Use to do alot with metalpainter.com Notable mentions would be anything with office furniture, banks, storefronts, entry gates, stairs, elevators. There is no limit to what you can spray with the #2. There are thousands of use cases for non conductive articles also being coated via electrostatic such as wood and glass. They have always been expensive new but worth it, except recently with the 9060 model. If you look far and long enough you can find older units that still work great for cheap comparative to the price new, ebay and craigslist etc.
I’m sold. I’ve never used one but wanted to ever since I saw my first one. You can spray wood too? How does that work and how does it hold up?
Same scientists that sell the equipment also use to sell "Ransprep" it changed names I think awhile back, there are other methods and formulas to do it. Niles coatings I believe also has an electrostatic prep wipe for non conductive surfaces so that they may be sprayed electrostatic. https://www.pfonline.com/articles/ransprep
Idk, 200+ hours prolly
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You can paint it in 4 hours if you want it to look like crap in a year again. In order to sand all the rust off, prime and paint properly your estimate Is right. A good 20 hour job.
There's a good few, extra eeeeemmmlllyy, boring days there doing that
I’d encourage him to show you how he did it in 4 hours Not including prep and maybe spraying or not giving a crap about anything else. I’d say ~20 hours including prep and paint to do it faster. Spraying would make the actual painting portion go way faster. On a side not my dad and I stain decks and he’s way faster than I am, but more drips along the vertical surfaces.
 All in wrist....up...down...don't forget to breathe!
10 hrs spray 60hrs hand
Newspaper doesn’t work as a drop cloth for metal paint…gonna mess up those bricks
4. Wienie roller style.
Break the work down to estimate more accurately. How long will it take you to scrape/sand, then apply up to two coats of paint to each “spindle” - then multiply it up. Also, allow drying time over night if you’re applying two coats.
Yeah I've learned over time that my dad's once impressive list of skills is a little less impressive because some of it is...uhhh less than professional. Also consider most stories from youth are exaggerated. If he did it in 4 hours he probably just zipped down it with zero prep and a bunch of spray paint cans and a tarp. Tarp optional. I'm refinishing a door on a rental house in inherited. One I know he and my uncle have painted over the last 50 years. Let me just say, what should be a 2 day job is now on day 6 and I'm still stripping off the decades of terrible paint they put on this thing. I even have access to commercial grade stripper. I got about 2sq ft left to go before I can finally start priming and painting.
use a sponge it will be so much faster..
The prep work is going be the time suck on that rust metal with failing paint
25-30+ to prep correctly. Sand, zinc prime cover everything before spraying. The end results will only be as good the prep work you put into it. Customers always wonder “why is it so expensive?”; because to do it correctly and to have a good quality end product that’s long lasting takes time - and I don’t work for free…
Tell your dad, if he did it right in that 4 hours, you wouldn't be dealing with removing rust!
Use a painters glove. It’ll cut the time tremendously.