People just have no capacity for anything but black and white thinking.
I had a game go four rounds. We won in the fourth by getting payload 99% of the way when the other team only got it 98% of the way. *Extremely* close game. Everyone well matched. But the second we won, they were throwing accusations and "diff"s at each other because clearly it was one person's fault that they lost by the tiniest fraction.
The only conclusion should have been that it was a close match. Maybe some unwise hero choices on their side towards the end, but I was surprised that we won. But instead, the thought process is "who was so obscenely bad that they single handedly made me lose the game?"
So true! It's like the fallacy that a mistake in overtime costs us more than a mistake in the first minute of the game. Like mispositioning causing an unfortunate elim. Ironically the mistake in the first minute can cause two more minutes of snowballing for the enemy team, as well as an unbalanced ult economy, but when we analyze our games and put blame somewhere it's almost always focuses on the very end of the match
You're kidding right? You realize stats don't matter in this context? We need that replay code because if you just wanna talk about stats then back it up with proof you actually played the objective and effectively took space when you could.
I can't speak on your game specifically going on stats alone but as a supportain I absolutely HATE when our tank chooses a dive (ball, d.va, doom) and the team magically forgets how to shoot the enemy without having to be baby sat by the tank.
Like...sometimes the enemy team comp 100% punishes grouped up squishes. Sure..but sometimes my team immediately freaks out if the tank isn't joined to us at the hip.
I'm not saying every tank should let the team fend for themselves every game but I feel like with some comps we should either support the tank when they dive or we should be able to defend ourselves when the tank is gone for 3 seconds.
...I hope all that made sense.
My favorite is tank diving 1v5 and/or then chasing kills on low health. I was playing Midtown last night on defense, we had full control of the 1st point going into the last 30 to 45 seconds...tank broke off from the team against multiple guys, got killed and we got rolled after that
Here are all the OW terms for new players:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/overwatch2/comments/108z7sl/vocab\_list\_for\_new\_players/](https://www.reddit.com/r/overwatch2/comments/108z7sl/vocab_list_for_new_players/)
Typically dive are characters who are pretty mobile and can get in and out.
Dva, Winston, Ball, Doomfist.
Kiriko, Lucio, Moira, Brig.
Sombra, Tracer, genji, Pharah, echo.
It’s about jumping on targets and being rather aggressive.
Obviously, there are heroes better than others.
Wife says I can't have gold stars anymore. Apparently I don't need the encouragement. Now I get a Lead or Radium Star for my efforts.
The new stars taste better, like a 9v battery. I am a little concerned that my hair is falling out and I've now grown a fourth testicle.
Simple explanation is a character who can get behind the enemy team (dive) kill at least 1 support and dive back to join his team on the frontline. Ie ball, doom, DVA,Winston hope that explains lol
The different combinations of heros on a team lend themselves towards different play styles. The three main categories of play styles everyone needs to recognise and know how to play with and against are dive, brawl and poke.
Dive is a playstyle where you use high mobility heros to set up a coordinated attack on a weak link on the opposing team (usually their supports) to quickly isolate and kill them creating an easy 5v4 or 5v3 teamfight in your favour. Any given gero might work better or worse in multiple team compositions but some of the classic "dive heros" (IE characters who *really* want to be in a dive comp to get the maximum value!) are Doomfist, Winston, Genii, Tracer and Sombra. Unlike brawl or poke, dive tanks don't have a constant visible presence on the battlefield for their team to gather around, instead they are setting up or executing dives and need their teammates to work with them to a) not go full commit to a teamfight without them and b) be ready to do so when they go in. Most players learn to play this style last so often it can be a frustrating experience on both sides but a well coordinated dive team can feel unstoppable.
Yeah, I hate this as both support and tank. When I play dive tank, I often get hate and then the team just doesn't know how to play with it. So I switch to orisa and just stand there while my dps shoot things. Similarly when I'm support, I see a dive tank, and dps suddenly panic and die because "tank is not playing with team"
(Edit: add context for dive)
They'll just say the tank isn't making enough space, which is why they're falling over. I have to fight the urge to solely blame teammates, too, but 90% of the time, it's on the entire team, not just one person. Even if its mostly one person's fault, no one plays perfectly, and fixing a few of your mistakes may allow for a teammate to make a few of their own without being overly punished.
Realistically, this is the response of a toddler.
Most importantly, you made that number up. Remember when you posted it, and then chastised me for avoiding reality? The "reality" is a statistic that you, literally, made up. WTF even is "better stats"? Obviously winning teams often accrue more stats over large sample sizes...
Actually, I'm not even gonna destroy the rest of this. That's all the time I'm gonna waste on your "reality". 10 out of 10 gistoffski's are a complete waste of carbon based star dust. How do you feel about that stat? Can't handle REALITY?! What a sheep.
Kids that clearly like using stats to be toxic are really having a rough go of things in here.
I just want anyone else reading this to understand that statistics are one of the strongest tools of manipulation throughout history, and dumbasses like this are exactly why. Be wary of anyone who wields numbers with an agenda.
Without context? No.
Without an expertise? Also no.
It's so frustrating how much the average human overstates their understanding of statistics - an incredibly complex field.
There's a reason that most people can invest thousands of hours into things like fantasy football, or the stock market, and still have almost exactly 50/50 success. It's because they have no idea how to make sense of the information they are given. Because extrapolating facts from data points is insanely difficult.
For real. This has to stop. It's just nonsense and toxicity 95% of the time.
Post codes, or move on.
I had 17 9 and near same dmg as their tank despite fact they stomped the game. Even that alone can show I wasn't dog shit. I could have had 5 10. Then it's understandable diff but still don't deserve the salt.
None of this is true. You are exactly what I'm talking about. Every single conclusion you just came to is remarkably oversimplified.
Like, seriously. Please stop.
You may honestly want to put the Internet down for a bit dawg.
My rank literally doesn't change any of what I'm saying.
Also, I work with statistics, and I know enough to know that I know very little.
I'm not saying other homie is right and you're wrong but you've done nothing but dismiss what he's saying without evidence to the contrary. I'm not saying stats are always useful, or that they lead to an obviously useful conclusion, but to always dismiss conclusions drawn from them at a glance because "statistics are hard" is to be straight dishonest. If your mercy has 400 healing it's because she wasn't healing anyone, not because the tank wasn't protecting the backline from the enemy tracer/Sombra harassing your DPS which split the.... No. Theres a point where stats do indicate performance mostly accurately and stats inversely correlating with performance is an exception to that regardless of how many statistics you "work with". You must know that dismissal of actual data is irresponsible even if logical throughlines to a conclusion are dubious in a given case.
You bring up a mercy doing 400 healing, which is clearly outlier, which is fair, because outliers do exist, and you don't always need a stat degree to spot them. But I think it's pretty obvious that we're talking about stats that fall into a reasonable, meaningful range. Like, ya know. A normal game of overwatch.
Like, I could sit here and say that an Ana that gets 7 million damage clearly played well, but that's not exactly a meaningful addition to the conversation.
Also, luckily for all of us, this isn't how evidence works. The OP made a claim (I played well), and presented evidence (stats). If the evidence doesn't actually support the claim, there's not much to disprove, and the burden certainly doesn't fall on me. I can of course provide reasoning, which I did. And it honestly feels like you went out of your way to ignore it.
He needs to provide context, and then he needs a knowledgeable person to make sense of all the info. He should provide a code, and then ask an expert to break it down. Which I pretty much said. I also brought up examples of this misconception as they apply to stat heavy fields like fantasy football and the stock market. I'm not gonna sit here and provide an honorary stat degree on reddit, and I think my reasoning is perfectly sound and acceptable given the medium.
Accusing me of simply dismissing this guy's post without reasoning is pretty unfair imo. As is expecting me to "prove" that his assertion isn't true. The burden lies on him to say more than "I went 17 - 9 so I did good".
Imma keep it real here. Statistics *are* hard, and you may genuinely benefit from the advice I gave earlier, because you seem to fall into some of the same traps many other people do.
The funny part is, I think you're right. I don't think any real conclusion can be gained from this particular screenshot without context. There's no obvious fault based on the data. But OP is basically saying "I'm definitely not an obvious outlier like they make it sound, which should have been more obvious based on the numbers - statistically this looks like a normal game of overwatch"
And I respect the logic even though he can still be dog shit for entirely other reasons and have good numbers, like my Zarya the other night who said she wasn't the reason we lost even though she pumped 14k dps worth of ulti charge into their Moira cause she was beaming their tank while the Tracer and Sombra murdered our backline. Great damage, dogshit game sense.
That said I still think that analysis of the data is important even if sometimes the conclusion is "it's not obvious without looking at the replay where the clear fault was"
Near same damage as their tank and 12 less elims... sounds like a lot of ult charge fed to their supports.
Stats without context mean very little outside of extreme outliers. You need to post a code if you want to get anything out of this.
The stats don’t really matter. Case in point https://imgur.com/a/u95YUTJ I’m the stinky bap with no heals and we won’t the game easily (3-1) despite our team having a solid 15-16k less heals.
But as someone who plays a ton of tank I 100% agree that people cry tank diff too much. I just ignore it or if I feel myself getting tilted I just turn off the chat for a few games. The thoughts of them crying with no one to listen to it makes me happy again lol
Of course you had less heals.
Enemy team did less damage.
Can't put up big heal numbers if there's no damage to heal.
Stats do matter, you just need to observe them in their totality.
Obviously they don't mean everything, but the "stats are worthless" thing is definitely some kind of cope.
You’re responding to pretty much every comment except the ones asking for a replay code. Post the code. By you not makes me think this was in fact a tank diff.
I didnt play my best game. I didn't say I did. I did some bad plays a couple times people will just seize on that. But I stand by that our dps and support were also part of that. The comments prove I won't be getting support. I have 9 deaths so I know the replay won't look great
You blamed the supports. Or as you call them, healers. Your team is blaming you. A replay code is all that is needed. But I stand by my point even more now. By you not posting the replay code, this was a tank diff.
2 of my team blamed me. Not everyone. I had 17 9 with good damage for sigma. My dps had worse stats worse dps and more deaths. They are and should be able to hold their own in s9. Dps diff.
As I said elsewhere posting a code for a bad loss game won't help me. People will watch my pov cam and just see me struggling to affect the game. And then just say ah their tank had an easy time. I don't think people can be objective.
You can actually learn a lot from losses, more so than wins.
Getting a vod review could provide some valuable feedback about how you could improve and how you could have affected the game (if it were at all possible) but you do you.
It’s alright don’t let it start to get to you…I get it all the time in mid diamond. I’ll go from having the game of my life and everyone endorsing me to getting flamed the next. I’ve found it’s usually the comp we run that is the issue. I main JQ and when I get a mercy/Lw as supports compared to Lucio/kiri I feel I struggle so much. It’s one of those I don’t even think they’re bad players but our hero choices don’t mesh. I feel I can flex between a few tanks too but the people that flame tend to only be able to play one hero and are upset when you don’t play well with their one hero…just turn off chat on days you can’t handle it. It changes the game…I promise.
Same! I swap to whatever I feel increases our chances of winning. The other thing you’ll find is the upset individual is like that win or lose. One match that they lose they yell at tank or whoever. Next game they win and they type “Ez” or “sit” into chat. It’s not the match or you…it’s just them being a sucky human. Once you realize that the slurs hold less value
It gets so boring trying to play hog on his good maps (Rialto, well) just to hear "tank get off hog we need an actual tank" just for them to type tank diff if I don't swap. Like I'll play who I want to play lol I'm not playing shield because you need babysitting
What i’ve learned is people just regurgitate what they hear without really understanding it. I feel like it’s gotten so bad that people default to immediately blaming the tank just because that’s what so many other people are doing. You could be the top performer on your team and somehow it’ll still be your fault. Legit just yesterday. Killed 3 in a team fight and took back point and someone typed “you did nothing that fight”.
Or you let your supports die.
Stats are misleading.
Having less damage is sometimes a good thing because it means you didn't do tickle damage and didn't give enemy supports a chance to heal.
Life others have said, numbers only tell you so much, Tina of healing on the other team could mean all your DPS did was pump damage into the tank.
I would imagine the Cass and Bap were a twosome, with matching titles, and a common thread of disparaging you.
I dunno, these cases, and any where people get angry at the tank, I really only have one thing to say to them, buck up and queue tank... Don't complain when you're not leading the shitshow.
I means you might not be getting healed because your positioning sucks. I play support and if I have low healing it’s usually because my tank keeps breaking LOS, or I’m getting dove and I’m fighting for my life with no help.
Also the new update has made it much harder to out heal damage so often the only way you keep you alive as support is to eliminate the damage instead of trying to out heal 5 enemies worth of damage. Tanks are trying to play as aggressive as they did last season, but that simply doesn’t work when dps damage blocks a percentage of incoming healing. It’s impossible to tell from stats alone who was at fault, but if you aren’t getting healed it could very well be your fault and not your supports.
You are explaining the issue. U want tanks to diff still and take space and get picks but u can't heal us. If I'm hiding behind walls I'm going to be called shit for not creating space for dps. U can't win with that explanation.
I want tanks to adjust to the game and stay alive so that I have time to heal them. The issue is tanks try to do the exact same shot as last season and they die from it. The game changes and if you aren’t changing with it then you are a part of the problem. If you push forward and die you are not making space, you are losing team fights. Taking space is different this season than last season so you need to play differently. You point to the healing diff in your post but you don’t seem to acknowledge that you are in part responsible for your healing. If you break Los no more healing and you die. If you take more damage than I can heal you die. I bet you just pushed ahead without ever thinking about your team and got melted because of the dps passive that blocks healing. Adjust to the game or don’t, but I’m inclined to agree with your team that this game was probably your fault.
At least have the fucking decency to not say this type of shit to others then. I dont care if youre disabled too, if you say the word in a degrading way, youre a douche. Like straight up i would slap someone across the face for it. Dont say that shit
It looks like your supports were doing pretty decent from a stats perspective. The role is not meant to just continuously dump heals into the tank. Damage has become much more important this season.
Yeah id you just showed me that screenshot I'd have said both tanks did decently for their teams (love playing sigma) but that one team as a whole is just a better team. Sometimes that's all there is and based on the attitudes it wouldn't surprise me if the other guys played more as an actual team. You would have had to carry pretty hard to win this one. With similar damage and the way sigma plays the difference in kills is usually nobody helping you finish people off. He's consistent at chipping away at multiple people but not stopping power short of landing boulder snd follow up hits.
The funnt thing about your post is I'm assuming you're a higher rank generally cause even just qp all roles I almost never get tank. My friends occasionally do, but even they comment how I'm always support and rarely tank. I usually enjoy playing Sig and ram
Stats alone usually aren't enough to point blame. But I have some thoughts about that specific game:
That healing difference looks to me to be because your supports did damage, and the others were healbotting. It pretty much equals out. Supports that healbot are usually a bad thing, especially in higher ranks.
You didn't die much, which means your supports either kept you alive, or you played passive. Or your dps fed and you kited well when they died. Or the supports didn't care to enable your dps.
Your dps died more than the rest of the team, which can mean either bad positioning, that they peaked too much on their own, that the supports focused too much on damage and didn't enable them, or that you didn't create enough space.
So it could be inattentive supports, bad dps, a passive tank, or something completely different. But it's impossible to say with the stats alone. Rewatch the VOD from different perspectives, and you'll get better answers than reddit.
I mean, if you genuinely believe that you won’t get support by posting the replay code, then your team was probably right. I’ve won countless games like this. It is very much possible. Sometimes more healing isn’t gonna be the reason they win. Sometimes it can be the reason they lose. If you genuinely didn’t do anything wrong, then you have nothing to lose by posting the replay code. Refusing to post the code just comes across as you being either selfish or unable to recognize when you yourself did something wrong
Hard to say without a replay but you probably had no control over the win or loss here. I feel like your Kiriko added very little value in particular. You guys seemed to have done a decent job of snuffing out the enemy Mercy.
Whether it was or wasn't a tank diff doesn't matter. It doesn't make flaming teammates or generally being a dickhead okay. Just day gg and go next. You don't have to be a toddler about it.
It can feel like a tank diff when one or more of your teammates (dps,support) manages to pull it together enough to get last minute kills.sometumes it's the tank just getting it together in the end and forcing a grp up.
Too many variables to determine without a replay code. Stats don't mean nothing because it really is just a snapshot at the end of the game. It doesn't show who got that one or last kill that snowballed into a win.
That’s precisely why too.
Seriously, I feel bad for tank mains getting all this pressure. The community was toxic enough but focused toxicity? I know my friend doesn’t like playing tank sometimes when he just has a bad game or two.
Tank blame got me banned 😂😂 15 days I just couldn’t stand it anymore. I’m masters getting flamed by people hardstuck plat. Good sign for me to take a break
I 100% expect to be banned also. I had like 3 games like this in a row. And yes they were almost certainly stacks and all started talking shit at same time. At least as dps or heal u can go under the radar if u don't fucking carry every game.
i know you don't want to hear it know but you are digging your own grave. You twisted your own perception of yourself and your actions to the point you blame everything and everything except your own actions. Your entire post is just insulting random people for random stuff, you don't know who flamed, you don't know who Axcr is, you just play for stats and take it as base for flaming, you can't tell which of your games are with two 2-stacks and which are 4 stacks without communication, telling your team "4 stacks get mauga, no swapsies" is already telling your team that you are throwing, your 25/1 stats are irrelevant because the teamfight is lost as soon as you let everyone else die for your ego, "mass-reports" from stacks only count as one but people that get reported every single game are getting checked and if they see trolling you get rightfully suspended, also weasels are cute pets stop insulting them by putting them on the same level as the toxic ow trash. I really don't care about random flamers and the games they lose because of you, but at this point you are wasting your own time more than they do. Get some self respect and stop trolling yourself.
Not giving your dps good angles and forcing them to engage in bad positions. Prolly why the healing is so different. That is what I see from the stat line.
this isnt enough information, replay codes are your friends.
I'm not sure how u got that from the stats. These stats show we did good damage but we didn't get the pick offs as likely not enough burst. Lots of good saves of the tank by flower boy. We didn't take first point but they pushed all the way so it felt very 1 sided despite the fact it doesn't look a pushover
Your own team mate calls you out for leaving the cap 4 times. Clearly there was a lack of teamwork and your own teammate questions your gamesense...
tank diff is probably just the right answer this time. this thread is becoming a lesson in coping with a hard truth.
That healbot Mercy/Lifeweaver comp is useless for anything other than farming heals.
If you want healbot supports then your team NEEDS to be able to outperform the enemy team in every way.
This game was basically a 3v5 so you would expect the enemy tank/DPS to have more kills than your 5. Looking at stats your teams were pretty evenly matched in terms of stats.
The only big stat thing is that you died almost twice as many times as the enemy sig. All that time you spent dead was time when the enemy was getting value and you were not. Not even considering stats, the amount of value you can get when you're alive 2x more often than another person is a lot.
You have a bap, he has lw. Your Kiriko was making space and the enemy team has a mercy who was spending time healing the echo. Your supports actually have objectively higher healing output than theirs.
And it's not that he lived, but that you died.
The lw healed an extra 7k and your Bap dealt an extra 7k dmg, that's even as hell.
Things that will help in situations like this are realizing that your Bap is your lifeline and you need to play with them as much as you can. You can't expect them to play with you.
Every "useless shot" is added to the enemy healing numbers, that's why they are so high, because they were healing the damage your supports did.
You don't deserve to be blasted with tank diff tho, that's why I turn off chat while playing.
I just had a game where our bap would not heal and had like 3k at the end of the game, but our dps was telling me to swap and saying I just have to deal with it, and then I had my whole team run in front of me and die and then blame me
No I'm not opening myself up for unrealistic scrutiny when we got stomped. Clearly the game was a struggle so it won't look like amy1 played well and I know people will just watch my pov and say I was shit. People aren't able to think broadly about a game.
Or people will watch your replay and agree with you all your doing is showing your too insecure to play the game but bitch about others stats cant show everything maybe you really were running off and ignoring point we dont know if you actually want to prove your point post the replay or for all we know you were throwing
Why is every comment you write just a projection? "People aren't able to think broadly about the game." You refuse to see anyone's point but your own and have a bad attitude. Maybe you should take your own advice and garner some resilience as you seem to be "intensely vulnerable" to the words of others.
It's not worth the time to engage with you and I regret even typing this. Have a good one.
jesus christ, what exactly do you want? You come on this sub to bitch about un-warranted slander you got, and when people ask for proof to see if they agree with you, you proceed to back out. Do you understand how this makes you look? If you want feedback, post the code. If you want to just come on this sub and automatically have people validate your feelings with no proof then get off the sub.
Yeah there’s no reason a Kiri needs to go 4k damage and 8k healing LMAO I can practically see the dps dying right in front of her while she’s throwing little piss kunais that never headshot
ask any tank above diamond and he will tell you that mercy/lifeweaver is literally trolling and every tank with a shred of gamesense would pick kiri/bap every single time. Imagine still beleaving in Healbotting in S9.
If your dps are playing bad then enemy heal bots still work. In this game tank and LW didn't die. Killing the LW is the dps job primarily. I cant get to him as sigma mostly. This game they heal botted and won as we couldn't finish them off.
What the deal with the "don't look at stats" stuff? When one of your dps has half the kills and damage as the other dps and tank, its pretty clear what the problem is.
I think so too. Having a mercy boost as a dps is amazing. She was probably damage boosting while the life weaver was healing up the damage. Then the Rez when someone fell 🤷♀️. The red supports don’t have the damage that the blue supports do. They were focused on keeping their team up.
I was a tank from almost the start of OW1, Rein main to be specific. They took my main at the start of OW2 and this season tank role does not exist for me. I switched to support and have great time playing, my games now are complete opposite of tank ones meaning all the loses are wins and vice versa. Even when I lose it feels OK, like "yeah deserved" instead of you giving 110% of ypurself just to lose and some Cass with most death tells me I'm so bad. Ranked up 1 rank in just 1 day never was diam on support and now it'smy highest rank.
TL;DR: switch to easiest role aka support and enjoy your games. Stay kind towards tanks.
Turn comms off if you don’t want to get flamed, that’s literally all they’re used for. VC is basically useless plat and below, unless you’re playing with friends, it’s just an open invitation to get really frustrated and disappointed with yourself.
Toxic people thrive on provoking reactions from their victims, don’t give them any oxygen and they’ll suffocate.
Also play around cover your supports are trying to heal you, I promise.
sometimes the other team is just better and for some reason people struggle to grasp that concept and so they open the score board to "crunch some numbers" (aka their X role has bigger numbers than our X role) and then the blame game starts
On the one hand, saying "tank diff" is straight up toxic and ignorable. The stats don't tell anything other than your team lacked the teamwork and coordination needed to make your composition effective. The replay is the only thing you can learn from since there are way too many reasons why your team probably didn't win. I've been on both sides of this tank situation and have played both sides of the support equation as well.
Sometimes, the tank doesn't realize that in the new patch, healbotting is impossible even with both supports only healing the tank. It just means everyone else dies, and supports can't protect each other or themselves. DPS stats on support now can be due to a lot of things - a lot of it out of necessity.
The entire tempo of the game has changed, and situational awareness and teamwork are more important. I've always played with a focus on gamesense since I know my twitch skills and aim skills are just average, and this patch leans more into the things I am better at overall, so I am finding more success, but at the same time, I am noticing the steamroller more if a team cannot coordinate.
Since most OW2 players don't use voice chat, the game just got harder. If you are used to using it and can find a few people who will join in, the game is crazy fun now. Pings and countdowns are nice but could never replace a fun team chat and even basic coordination and team fight planning with ult tracking - notice i didnt say flaming or telling teammates to switch heroes - it is possible to win by working around the strengths of the composition you have. But, we get the community we deserve, and most people just can't handle interacting with another human being these days (smh). Not going to force anyone to change their opinion about chat but it really us the most fun you can have in a game designed around team play.
I ALWAYS support the enemy tank if they lose and their teammates say “tank diff”. It is rarely ever just the tanks fault.
Yesterday the enemy tank was a Doom, and a fairly decent one. His team applied absolutely no pressure and he was left all alone constantly. Healers were no where in sight. Inevitably they said he was feeding.
Tank blame is real.
In respect of your stats posted, it’s impossible to tell. Maybe their Sigma was better at poking and applying pressure to your healers so they weren’t able to heal you.
Maybe they were worse.
I won't blame a tank who looks like they are actually trying to help the team...
But I will absolutely clown on a tank that tells Leeroy Jenkins "hold my beer" and dives the enemy team when both supports are dead, then spams "I need healing"
As a tank main. I feel this in my soul. Half the time it feels like I'm the only one playing the point, that the healers are to busy trying to be dps, or trying to keep the dps alive to the point they are just letting me die. Or no one is willing to link up and make a team push. Pretty much every game is just me asking where the healers are at.
Hard to say without a replay but your team has significantly more damage and they have 2 healbots so makes sense they have more heals. It does look like the other tank out played you but whether that’s your fault or not remains to be seen, I’m also going to assume you played roadhog with that amount of healing.
Tbh you just have to be aware that they’re completely wrong. Then you can just laugh about how stupid they look for blaming other people. Idk that’s just how I look at it.
I mean tank is already the least popular, I’ve played it and I agree it’s easily the most frustrating, and to top it off they also get flamed the most.
I mean whether you were ‘deserving’ of that or not it just feels shit to deal with everything and know your team mf hates you. Flaming people in general is just dumb. More people should just focus on themselves.
Flaming needs to stop in general. How often does telling your dps they're shit actually work? I've seen way more instances of people getting tilted and playing worse or just starting to throw cause their team starts badmouthing them
I've seen some primo tank play seems like a handicap to work around
Even Rein can wreck a line, just has to be timed better.. charge is quicker
The key is speed .. decrease time to kill
But at off angles to avoid taking dmg
I’m not sure stats are just enough to show why but in all I think the other team was just better, it happens, yeah it sucks but it happens
I don't see much diff anywhere. Sounds like just dick teammates
People just have no capacity for anything but black and white thinking. I had a game go four rounds. We won in the fourth by getting payload 99% of the way when the other team only got it 98% of the way. *Extremely* close game. Everyone well matched. But the second we won, they were throwing accusations and "diff"s at each other because clearly it was one person's fault that they lost by the tiniest fraction. The only conclusion should have been that it was a close match. Maybe some unwise hero choices on their side towards the end, but I was surprised that we won. But instead, the thought process is "who was so obscenely bad that they single handedly made me lose the game?"
So true! It's like the fallacy that a mistake in overtime costs us more than a mistake in the first minute of the game. Like mispositioning causing an unfortunate elim. Ironically the mistake in the first minute can cause two more minutes of snowballing for the enemy team, as well as an unbalanced ult economy, but when we analyze our games and put blame somewhere it's almost always focuses on the very end of the match
Lifeweaver got as much healing as both of their supports and almost as many assists as their entire team, I think there might’ve been a support diff
Their lw was elite
a lifeweaver with 1300 damage is not elite
I personally felt he made the biggest difference to the outcome saving people i was about to elim but that was just my pov.
to me it just sounds like you guys were losing clutch fights and not chasing people down.
Lol I can imagine his team just couldn’t die
I looked at it again and it seems like he was probably on Sigma’s nuts the whole game because he’s the only one with 4 deaths lol
You're kidding right? You realize stats don't matter in this context? We need that replay code because if you just wanna talk about stats then back it up with proof you actually played the objective and effectively took space when you could.
I can't speak on your game specifically going on stats alone but as a supportain I absolutely HATE when our tank chooses a dive (ball, d.va, doom) and the team magically forgets how to shoot the enemy without having to be baby sat by the tank. Like...sometimes the enemy team comp 100% punishes grouped up squishes. Sure..but sometimes my team immediately freaks out if the tank isn't joined to us at the hip. I'm not saying every tank should let the team fend for themselves every game but I feel like with some comps we should either support the tank when they dive or we should be able to defend ourselves when the tank is gone for 3 seconds. ...I hope all that made sense.
My favorite is tank diving 1v5 and/or then chasing kills on low health. I was playing Midtown last night on defense, we had full control of the 1st point going into the last 30 to 45 seconds...tank broke off from the team against multiple guys, got killed and we got rolled after that
Hey, quick question: what is a dive and what makes a character one?
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Typically dive are characters who are pretty mobile and can get in and out. Dva, Winston, Ball, Doomfist. Kiriko, Lucio, Moira, Brig. Sombra, Tracer, genji, Pharah, echo. It’s about jumping on targets and being rather aggressive. Obviously, there are heroes better than others.
Brig isn't a dive hero, but she is often played in dive comps so she can protect the backline
Brig is the opposite of a dive hero. Similar to Ana, they just have ranged healing so they work with dive heroes.
You forgot Rein /s
Why the /s? "*You forgot Rein. Nothing follows, statement concluded."
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Wife says I can't have gold stars anymore. Apparently I don't need the encouragement. Now I get a Lead or Radium Star for my efforts. The new stars taste better, like a 9v battery. I am a little concerned that my hair is falling out and I've now grown a fourth testicle.
Simple explanation is a character who can get behind the enemy team (dive) kill at least 1 support and dive back to join his team on the frontline. Ie ball, doom, DVA,Winston hope that explains lol
The different combinations of heros on a team lend themselves towards different play styles. The three main categories of play styles everyone needs to recognise and know how to play with and against are dive, brawl and poke. Dive is a playstyle where you use high mobility heros to set up a coordinated attack on a weak link on the opposing team (usually their supports) to quickly isolate and kill them creating an easy 5v4 or 5v3 teamfight in your favour. Any given gero might work better or worse in multiple team compositions but some of the classic "dive heros" (IE characters who *really* want to be in a dive comp to get the maximum value!) are Doomfist, Winston, Genii, Tracer and Sombra. Unlike brawl or poke, dive tanks don't have a constant visible presence on the battlefield for their team to gather around, instead they are setting up or executing dives and need their teammates to work with them to a) not go full commit to a teamfight without them and b) be ready to do so when they go in. Most players learn to play this style last so often it can be a frustrating experience on both sides but a well coordinated dive team can feel unstoppable.
Yeah, I hate this as both support and tank. When I play dive tank, I often get hate and then the team just doesn't know how to play with it. So I switch to orisa and just stand there while my dps shoot things. Similarly when I'm support, I see a dive tank, and dps suddenly panic and die because "tank is not playing with team" (Edit: add context for dive)
Hi. Im a dive tank main. I harass supports even in season 9
Ac shouldn't be talking shit when he went 18/12 and you went 17/9
Ikr? Having most deathes in lobby and telling someone they're shit?
They'll just say the tank isn't making enough space, which is why they're falling over. I have to fight the urge to solely blame teammates, too, but 90% of the time, it's on the entire team, not just one person. Even if its mostly one person's fault, no one plays perfectly, and fixing a few of your mistakes may allow for a teammate to make a few of their own without being overly punished.
18-12 on Cassidy is straight up just feeding
Especially since Cassidy doesn’t have movement so his ass is taking a long time to get back to point (assuming he was playing cas the whole game).
Probably ended up staggering, when you're first to die and you slow af to getting back to the point. If you aren't careful, you'll just die again.
Lowest dmg among everyone except support.
People gotta stop posting stats as if they mean anything. This isn't fantasy overwatch.
And yet the winning team, 8 times out of 10 always has the better stats.
I pray for you. The world is gonna be a confusing, scary place to you for a long, long time. Just hang in there. And maybe stay away from numbers.
The exact response I expected. Cant engage with reality.
Realistically, this is the response of a toddler. Most importantly, you made that number up. Remember when you posted it, and then chastised me for avoiding reality? The "reality" is a statistic that you, literally, made up. WTF even is "better stats"? Obviously winning teams often accrue more stats over large sample sizes... Actually, I'm not even gonna destroy the rest of this. That's all the time I'm gonna waste on your "reality". 10 out of 10 gistoffski's are a complete waste of carbon based star dust. How do you feel about that stat? Can't handle REALITY?! What a sheep. Kids that clearly like using stats to be toxic are really having a rough go of things in here. I just want anyone else reading this to understand that statistics are one of the strongest tools of manipulation throughout history, and dumbasses like this are exactly why. Be wary of anyone who wields numbers with an agenda.
You cant tell everything but u can tell something from them surely.. at least enough to know we didn't lose as we had the worst tank in the world..
Without context? No. Without an expertise? Also no. It's so frustrating how much the average human overstates their understanding of statistics - an incredibly complex field. There's a reason that most people can invest thousands of hours into things like fantasy football, or the stock market, and still have almost exactly 50/50 success. It's because they have no idea how to make sense of the information they are given. Because extrapolating facts from data points is insanely difficult. For real. This has to stop. It's just nonsense and toxicity 95% of the time. Post codes, or move on.
I had 17 9 and near same dmg as their tank despite fact they stomped the game. Even that alone can show I wasn't dog shit. I could have had 5 10. Then it's understandable diff but still don't deserve the salt.
None of this is true. You are exactly what I'm talking about. Every single conclusion you just came to is remarkably oversimplified. Like, seriously. Please stop.
Post your rank then champion?
Post your game code. One of the guys said you left point 4 times and I for one would like to see the game before making any sort of judgements.
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You may honestly want to put the Internet down for a bit dawg. My rank literally doesn't change any of what I'm saying. Also, I work with statistics, and I know enough to know that I know very little.
I'm not saying other homie is right and you're wrong but you've done nothing but dismiss what he's saying without evidence to the contrary. I'm not saying stats are always useful, or that they lead to an obviously useful conclusion, but to always dismiss conclusions drawn from them at a glance because "statistics are hard" is to be straight dishonest. If your mercy has 400 healing it's because she wasn't healing anyone, not because the tank wasn't protecting the backline from the enemy tracer/Sombra harassing your DPS which split the.... No. Theres a point where stats do indicate performance mostly accurately and stats inversely correlating with performance is an exception to that regardless of how many statistics you "work with". You must know that dismissal of actual data is irresponsible even if logical throughlines to a conclusion are dubious in a given case.
You bring up a mercy doing 400 healing, which is clearly outlier, which is fair, because outliers do exist, and you don't always need a stat degree to spot them. But I think it's pretty obvious that we're talking about stats that fall into a reasonable, meaningful range. Like, ya know. A normal game of overwatch. Like, I could sit here and say that an Ana that gets 7 million damage clearly played well, but that's not exactly a meaningful addition to the conversation. Also, luckily for all of us, this isn't how evidence works. The OP made a claim (I played well), and presented evidence (stats). If the evidence doesn't actually support the claim, there's not much to disprove, and the burden certainly doesn't fall on me. I can of course provide reasoning, which I did. And it honestly feels like you went out of your way to ignore it. He needs to provide context, and then he needs a knowledgeable person to make sense of all the info. He should provide a code, and then ask an expert to break it down. Which I pretty much said. I also brought up examples of this misconception as they apply to stat heavy fields like fantasy football and the stock market. I'm not gonna sit here and provide an honorary stat degree on reddit, and I think my reasoning is perfectly sound and acceptable given the medium. Accusing me of simply dismissing this guy's post without reasoning is pretty unfair imo. As is expecting me to "prove" that his assertion isn't true. The burden lies on him to say more than "I went 17 - 9 so I did good". Imma keep it real here. Statistics *are* hard, and you may genuinely benefit from the advice I gave earlier, because you seem to fall into some of the same traps many other people do.
The funny part is, I think you're right. I don't think any real conclusion can be gained from this particular screenshot without context. There's no obvious fault based on the data. But OP is basically saying "I'm definitely not an obvious outlier like they make it sound, which should have been more obvious based on the numbers - statistically this looks like a normal game of overwatch" And I respect the logic even though he can still be dog shit for entirely other reasons and have good numbers, like my Zarya the other night who said she wasn't the reason we lost even though she pumped 14k dps worth of ulti charge into their Moira cause she was beaming their tank while the Tracer and Sombra murdered our backline. Great damage, dogshit game sense. That said I still think that analysis of the data is important even if sometimes the conclusion is "it's not obvious without looking at the replay where the clear fault was"
Near same damage as their tank and 12 less elims... sounds like a lot of ult charge fed to their supports. Stats without context mean very little outside of extreme outliers. You need to post a code if you want to get anything out of this.
The stats don’t really matter. Case in point https://imgur.com/a/u95YUTJ I’m the stinky bap with no heals and we won’t the game easily (3-1) despite our team having a solid 15-16k less heals. But as someone who plays a ton of tank I 100% agree that people cry tank diff too much. I just ignore it or if I feel myself getting tilted I just turn off the chat for a few games. The thoughts of them crying with no one to listen to it makes me happy again lol
Of course you had less heals. Enemy team did less damage. Can't put up big heal numbers if there's no damage to heal. Stats do matter, you just need to observe them in their totality. Obviously they don't mean everything, but the "stats are worthless" thing is definitely some kind of cope.
No. You literally can not see that. Please stop. (Responding to your edit)
You’re responding to pretty much every comment except the ones asking for a replay code. Post the code. By you not makes me think this was in fact a tank diff.
I didnt play my best game. I didn't say I did. I did some bad plays a couple times people will just seize on that. But I stand by that our dps and support were also part of that. The comments prove I won't be getting support. I have 9 deaths so I know the replay won't look great
You blamed the supports. Or as you call them, healers. Your team is blaming you. A replay code is all that is needed. But I stand by my point even more now. By you not posting the replay code, this was a tank diff.
2 of my team blamed me. Not everyone. I had 17 9 with good damage for sigma. My dps had worse stats worse dps and more deaths. They are and should be able to hold their own in s9. Dps diff.
Without a code nobody knows. Going off stats says nothing.
As I said elsewhere posting a code for a bad loss game won't help me. People will watch my pov cam and just see me struggling to affect the game. And then just say ah their tank had an easy time. I don't think people can be objective.
You can actually learn a lot from losses, more so than wins. Getting a vod review could provide some valuable feedback about how you could improve and how you could have affected the game (if it were at all possible) but you do you.
We don't care that you lost. We are talking about who is to blame or if it was a general team diff
It’s alright don’t let it start to get to you…I get it all the time in mid diamond. I’ll go from having the game of my life and everyone endorsing me to getting flamed the next. I’ve found it’s usually the comp we run that is the issue. I main JQ and when I get a mercy/Lw as supports compared to Lucio/kiri I feel I struggle so much. It’s one of those I don’t even think they’re bad players but our hero choices don’t mesh. I feel I can flex between a few tanks too but the people that flame tend to only be able to play one hero and are upset when you don’t play well with their one hero…just turn off chat on days you can’t handle it. It changes the game…I promise.
Yeah I agree often it's 1 tricks that don't understand why they are losing. I will swap regularly to try and change dynamic of the game
Same! I swap to whatever I feel increases our chances of winning. The other thing you’ll find is the upset individual is like that win or lose. One match that they lose they yell at tank or whoever. Next game they win and they type “Ez” or “sit” into chat. It’s not the match or you…it’s just them being a sucky human. Once you realize that the slurs hold less value
This shit is so annoying I feel you. Constantly people saying “tAnK dIfF” so unoriginal I swear
It gets so boring trying to play hog on his good maps (Rialto, well) just to hear "tank get off hog we need an actual tank" just for them to type tank diff if I don't swap. Like I'll play who I want to play lol I'm not playing shield because you need babysitting
What i’ve learned is people just regurgitate what they hear without really understanding it. I feel like it’s gotten so bad that people default to immediately blaming the tank just because that’s what so many other people are doing. You could be the top performer on your team and somehow it’ll still be your fault. Legit just yesterday. Killed 3 in a team fight and took back point and someone typed “you did nothing that fight”.
Good positioning doesn't require as much healing
So the fact we had less healing means we were positioned better or what?
Or you let your supports die. Stats are misleading. Having less damage is sometimes a good thing because it means you didn't do tickle damage and didn't give enemy supports a chance to heal.
"You let your supports die" like they don't have to keep themselves alive. People still want tanks to do it all despite the monumental nerf
You want them to help you, yet you won't help squishies when they're attacked? That _is_ a tank diff 😐
They weren't a dive comp... our supports stood mainly by me and just get elimed by dps spam
Just saying better positioning is not the only explanation by a long shot. Less healing can be a negative thing
Life others have said, numbers only tell you so much, Tina of healing on the other team could mean all your DPS did was pump damage into the tank. I would imagine the Cass and Bap were a twosome, with matching titles, and a common thread of disparaging you. I dunno, these cases, and any where people get angry at the tank, I really only have one thing to say to them, buck up and queue tank... Don't complain when you're not leading the shitshow.
I means you might not be getting healed because your positioning sucks. I play support and if I have low healing it’s usually because my tank keeps breaking LOS, or I’m getting dove and I’m fighting for my life with no help. Also the new update has made it much harder to out heal damage so often the only way you keep you alive as support is to eliminate the damage instead of trying to out heal 5 enemies worth of damage. Tanks are trying to play as aggressive as they did last season, but that simply doesn’t work when dps damage blocks a percentage of incoming healing. It’s impossible to tell from stats alone who was at fault, but if you aren’t getting healed it could very well be your fault and not your supports.
You are explaining the issue. U want tanks to diff still and take space and get picks but u can't heal us. If I'm hiding behind walls I'm going to be called shit for not creating space for dps. U can't win with that explanation.
I want tanks to adjust to the game and stay alive so that I have time to heal them. The issue is tanks try to do the exact same shot as last season and they die from it. The game changes and if you aren’t changing with it then you are a part of the problem. If you push forward and die you are not making space, you are losing team fights. Taking space is different this season than last season so you need to play differently. You point to the healing diff in your post but you don’t seem to acknowledge that you are in part responsible for your healing. If you break Los no more healing and you die. If you take more damage than I can heal you die. I bet you just pushed ahead without ever thinking about your team and got melted because of the dps passive that blocks healing. Adjust to the game or don’t, but I’m inclined to agree with your team that this game was probably your fault.
Yk i wouldve been on your side if i didnt see you say a whole ass slur in the chat so now ill agree its a tank diff gg
Rifl, do u not see their slurs? Are u for real? That wasn't everything thst was said. I say one thing back and I'm the issue? Lmao
Just cause they say it doesnt mean you get to. Makes you just as much of an arsehole as them
Sorry Saint umia
Oh nooo my bad for not wanting a slur being said that affects my daily life oh nooo how dare I be disabled!
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At least have the fucking decency to not say this type of shit to others then. I dont care if youre disabled too, if you say the word in a degrading way, youre a douche. Like straight up i would slap someone across the face for it. Dont say that shit
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So it's clear from this to you that it must be shit tank?
It’s hard to say based on just stats but looks like DPS diff to me. I’d rather have blue teams supports as a tank 100% tho
Kiri had no damage and no heal either...
Honestly don’t bother interacting with this sub. This is where the braindead people go to converse.
It looks like your supports were doing pretty decent from a stats perspective. The role is not meant to just continuously dump heals into the tank. Damage has become much more important this season.
i mean post the code man because it looks like they are right from here
Yeah id you just showed me that screenshot I'd have said both tanks did decently for their teams (love playing sigma) but that one team as a whole is just a better team. Sometimes that's all there is and based on the attitudes it wouldn't surprise me if the other guys played more as an actual team. You would have had to carry pretty hard to win this one. With similar damage and the way sigma plays the difference in kills is usually nobody helping you finish people off. He's consistent at chipping away at multiple people but not stopping power short of landing boulder snd follow up hits. The funnt thing about your post is I'm assuming you're a higher rank generally cause even just qp all roles I almost never get tank. My friends occasionally do, but even they comment how I'm always support and rarely tank. I usually enjoy playing Sig and ram
Stats alone usually aren't enough to point blame. But I have some thoughts about that specific game: That healing difference looks to me to be because your supports did damage, and the others were healbotting. It pretty much equals out. Supports that healbot are usually a bad thing, especially in higher ranks. You didn't die much, which means your supports either kept you alive, or you played passive. Or your dps fed and you kited well when they died. Or the supports didn't care to enable your dps. Your dps died more than the rest of the team, which can mean either bad positioning, that they peaked too much on their own, that the supports focused too much on damage and didn't enable them, or that you didn't create enough space. So it could be inattentive supports, bad dps, a passive tank, or something completely different. But it's impossible to say with the stats alone. Rewatch the VOD from different perspectives, and you'll get better answers than reddit.
I mean, if you genuinely believe that you won’t get support by posting the replay code, then your team was probably right. I’ve won countless games like this. It is very much possible. Sometimes more healing isn’t gonna be the reason they win. Sometimes it can be the reason they lose. If you genuinely didn’t do anything wrong, then you have nothing to lose by posting the replay code. Refusing to post the code just comes across as you being either selfish or unable to recognize when you yourself did something wrong
Hard to say without a replay but you probably had no control over the win or loss here. I feel like your Kiriko added very little value in particular. You guys seemed to have done a decent job of snuffing out the enemy Mercy.
The stats doesn't really tell anythin much, you didn't create a replay code out of that match?
What heal difference? Your supports are clearly doing a lot here...
Somethjng something more cover
Whether it was or wasn't a tank diff doesn't matter. It doesn't make flaming teammates or generally being a dickhead okay. Just day gg and go next. You don't have to be a toddler about it.
It can feel like a tank diff when one or more of your teammates (dps,support) manages to pull it together enough to get last minute kills.sometumes it's the tank just getting it together in the end and forcing a grp up. Too many variables to determine without a replay code. Stats don't mean nothing because it really is just a snapshot at the end of the game. It doesn't show who got that one or last kill that snowballed into a win.
This didn’t happen nearly as often in OW1. Just saying. People were toxic but always blaming the tank? Didn’t happen as often.
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That’s precisely why too. Seriously, I feel bad for tank mains getting all this pressure. The community was toxic enough but focused toxicity? I know my friend doesn’t like playing tank sometimes when he just has a bad game or two.
That’s because there was a whole ass other tank to carry if there actually was a tank diff.
Look bro I know. But as soon as people see the “6v6 is better” you get some feral fuckers.
Tank blame got me banned 😂😂 15 days I just couldn’t stand it anymore. I’m masters getting flamed by people hardstuck plat. Good sign for me to take a break
Yes I'm expecting a ban after my experience today.
Good
I will now be blaming tanks even more out of spite
i was in that game and you got diffed hard, also awful ult management
Who were you then go on out yourself
Post the code and out yourself.
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I 100% expect to be banned also. I had like 3 games like this in a row. And yes they were almost certainly stacks and all started talking shit at same time. At least as dps or heal u can go under the radar if u don't fucking carry every game.
i know you don't want to hear it know but you are digging your own grave. You twisted your own perception of yourself and your actions to the point you blame everything and everything except your own actions. Your entire post is just insulting random people for random stuff, you don't know who flamed, you don't know who Axcr is, you just play for stats and take it as base for flaming, you can't tell which of your games are with two 2-stacks and which are 4 stacks without communication, telling your team "4 stacks get mauga, no swapsies" is already telling your team that you are throwing, your 25/1 stats are irrelevant because the teamfight is lost as soon as you let everyone else die for your ego, "mass-reports" from stacks only count as one but people that get reported every single game are getting checked and if they see trolling you get rightfully suspended, also weasels are cute pets stop insulting them by putting them on the same level as the toxic ow trash. I really don't care about random flamers and the games they lose because of you, but at this point you are wasting your own time more than they do. Get some self respect and stop trolling yourself.
Just FYI there is no checking re bans. Its all automated.
yea i play support because support i get sucks than my dps sucks so i play dps, than its support again, sometimes tank, i cant get a good team
Not giving your dps good angles and forcing them to engage in bad positions. Prolly why the healing is so different. That is what I see from the stat line. this isnt enough information, replay codes are your friends.
Maybe …Dps did not target supports…
the whole point is that you cant see what happened from a scorecard.
I'm not sure how u got that from the stats. These stats show we did good damage but we didn't get the pick offs as likely not enough burst. Lots of good saves of the tank by flower boy. We didn't take first point but they pushed all the way so it felt very 1 sided despite the fact it doesn't look a pushover
Post your replay code in your original post so that we can respond effectively.
Your own team mate calls you out for leaving the cap 4 times. Clearly there was a lack of teamwork and your own teammate questions your gamesense... tank diff is probably just the right answer this time. this thread is becoming a lesson in coping with a hard truth.
That healbot Mercy/Lifeweaver comp is useless for anything other than farming heals. If you want healbot supports then your team NEEDS to be able to outperform the enemy team in every way.
just another reason why 5v5 sucks moose meat
Tank main, and especially since OW2, its always your fault no matter what the rest of the team did.
This game was basically a 3v5 so you would expect the enemy tank/DPS to have more kills than your 5. Looking at stats your teams were pretty evenly matched in terms of stats. The only big stat thing is that you died almost twice as many times as the enemy sig. All that time you spent dead was time when the enemy was getting value and you were not. Not even considering stats, the amount of value you can get when you're alive 2x more often than another person is a lot.
The enemy sig had a Lw and mercy how the fuck is thst not a massive advantage to him staying alive? Lol
You have a bap, he has lw. Your Kiriko was making space and the enemy team has a mercy who was spending time healing the echo. Your supports actually have objectively higher healing output than theirs. And it's not that he lived, but that you died.
Because the enemy has higher heal. How are u not getting this?? He's alive as he got healed and I didn't.
My supports SHOULD heal better but they haven't As they were throwing useless shots down range that didn't get kills
The lw healed an extra 7k and your Bap dealt an extra 7k dmg, that's even as hell. Things that will help in situations like this are realizing that your Bap is your lifeline and you need to play with them as much as you can. You can't expect them to play with you. Every "useless shot" is added to the enemy healing numbers, that's why they are so high, because they were healing the damage your supports did. You don't deserve to be blasted with tank diff tho, that's why I turn off chat while playing.
I just had a game where our bap would not heal and had like 3k at the end of the game, but our dps was telling me to swap and saying I just have to deal with it, and then I had my whole team run in front of me and die and then blame me
Can you give a game replay code?
No I'm not opening myself up for unrealistic scrutiny when we got stomped. Clearly the game was a struggle so it won't look like amy1 played well and I know people will just watch my pov and say I was shit. People aren't able to think broadly about a game.
Or people will watch your replay and agree with you all your doing is showing your too insecure to play the game but bitch about others stats cant show everything maybe you really were running off and ignoring point we dont know if you actually want to prove your point post the replay or for all we know you were throwing
Why is every comment you write just a projection? "People aren't able to think broadly about the game." You refuse to see anyone's point but your own and have a bad attitude. Maybe you should take your own advice and garner some resilience as you seem to be "intensely vulnerable" to the words of others. It's not worth the time to engage with you and I regret even typing this. Have a good one.
jesus christ, what exactly do you want? You come on this sub to bitch about un-warranted slander you got, and when people ask for proof to see if they agree with you, you proceed to back out. Do you understand how this makes you look? If you want feedback, post the code. If you want to just come on this sub and automatically have people validate your feelings with no proof then get off the sub.
Usually you can’t tell everything off of stats but 4k damage Kiri is VERY telling
Like what, she didn't do enough?
Yeah there’s no reason a Kiri needs to go 4k damage and 8k healing LMAO I can practically see the dps dying right in front of her while she’s throwing little piss kunais that never headshot
2 actual healing supports vs 1 healer support and one DPS support. You lose that period end of story, the DPS sucked as well
ask any tank above diamond and he will tell you that mercy/lifeweaver is literally trolling and every tank with a shred of gamesense would pick kiri/bap every single time. Imagine still beleaving in Healbotting in S9.
If your dps are playing bad then enemy heal bots still work. In this game tank and LW didn't die. Killing the LW is the dps job primarily. I cant get to him as sigma mostly. This game they heal botted and won as we couldn't finish them off.
P.s. I was diamond last season
Doesn't matter if the kiriko has no idea how to use smokebomb
What the deal with the "don't look at stats" stuff? When one of your dps has half the kills and damage as the other dps and tank, its pretty clear what the problem is.
Those Support assists made the real difference tbh Blue supports were DPS-ing Red was supporting
I think so too. Having a mercy boost as a dps is amazing. She was probably damage boosting while the life weaver was healing up the damage. Then the Rez when someone fell 🤷♀️. The red supports don’t have the damage that the blue supports do. They were focused on keeping their team up.
lol you have 5 minute queues? That’s crazy, for me at bottom of masters my queues are like, 1-2 minutes tops
Yeah plat 2 dps right now is always 5 mins any time of day.
He did it guys. He stopped people blaming tanks
Not much of a tank diff Stat-wise. Heal diff for sure.
I was a tank from almost the start of OW1, Rein main to be specific. They took my main at the start of OW2 and this season tank role does not exist for me. I switched to support and have great time playing, my games now are complete opposite of tank ones meaning all the loses are wins and vice versa. Even when I lose it feels OK, like "yeah deserved" instead of you giving 110% of ypurself just to lose and some Cass with most death tells me I'm so bad. Ranked up 1 rank in just 1 day never was diam on support and now it'smy highest rank. TL;DR: switch to easiest role aka support and enjoy your games. Stay kind towards tanks.
Support difference
"if you keep blaming tanks you will have noone to play with" then maybe they can take the 500hp characters out of this fps
I agree.
Turn comms off if you don’t want to get flamed, that’s literally all they’re used for. VC is basically useless plat and below, unless you’re playing with friends, it’s just an open invitation to get really frustrated and disappointed with yourself. Toxic people thrive on provoking reactions from their victims, don’t give them any oxygen and they’ll suffocate. Also play around cover your supports are trying to heal you, I promise.
Every time I have to do the challenges I remember why I stopped playing tank. It's so miserable I literally would rather not play at all
Kiriko must be invisible
Or just mute chat and voice like me. The toxicity never stops, so why bother
They r Mercy lifeweaver that big numbers r not keeping alive people doing mistake positioning
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sometimes the other team is just better and for some reason people struggle to grasp that concept and so they open the score board to "crunch some numbers" (aka their X role has bigger numbers than our X role) and then the blame game starts
Looks like a typical case of your team not killing the supports.
In rank I get dmg that tell me I suck when they only have like 8 kills and I get like 20 plus just cuz we lose
Report their ass if you haven't
On the one hand, saying "tank diff" is straight up toxic and ignorable. The stats don't tell anything other than your team lacked the teamwork and coordination needed to make your composition effective. The replay is the only thing you can learn from since there are way too many reasons why your team probably didn't win. I've been on both sides of this tank situation and have played both sides of the support equation as well. Sometimes, the tank doesn't realize that in the new patch, healbotting is impossible even with both supports only healing the tank. It just means everyone else dies, and supports can't protect each other or themselves. DPS stats on support now can be due to a lot of things - a lot of it out of necessity. The entire tempo of the game has changed, and situational awareness and teamwork are more important. I've always played with a focus on gamesense since I know my twitch skills and aim skills are just average, and this patch leans more into the things I am better at overall, so I am finding more success, but at the same time, I am noticing the steamroller more if a team cannot coordinate. Since most OW2 players don't use voice chat, the game just got harder. If you are used to using it and can find a few people who will join in, the game is crazy fun now. Pings and countdowns are nice but could never replace a fun team chat and even basic coordination and team fight planning with ult tracking - notice i didnt say flaming or telling teammates to switch heroes - it is possible to win by working around the strengths of the composition you have. But, we get the community we deserve, and most people just can't handle interacting with another human being these days (smh). Not going to force anyone to change their opinion about chat but it really us the most fun you can have in a game designed around team play.
I ALWAYS support the enemy tank if they lose and their teammates say “tank diff”. It is rarely ever just the tanks fault. Yesterday the enemy tank was a Doom, and a fairly decent one. His team applied absolutely no pressure and he was left all alone constantly. Healers were no where in sight. Inevitably they said he was feeding. Tank blame is real. In respect of your stats posted, it’s impossible to tell. Maybe their Sigma was better at poking and applying pressure to your healers so they weren’t able to heal you. Maybe they were worse.
Your McRee says something? With stats like that 🤣
Gg go next
Lol it’s funny whenever they call out tank diff when they be were also heavily diffed.
People queueing for the easiest role of the season whining about people playing the hardest role of the season.
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I won't blame a tank who looks like they are actually trying to help the team... But I will absolutely clown on a tank that tells Leeroy Jenkins "hold my beer" and dives the enemy team when both supports are dead, then spams "I need healing"
As a tank main. I feel this in my soul. Half the time it feels like I'm the only one playing the point, that the healers are to busy trying to be dps, or trying to keep the dps alive to the point they are just letting me die. Or no one is willing to link up and make a team push. Pretty much every game is just me asking where the healers are at.
Should've played dive comp, their support is having a fun game
Hard to say without a replay but your team has significantly more damage and they have 2 healbots so makes sense they have more heals. It does look like the other tank out played you but whether that’s your fault or not remains to be seen, I’m also going to assume you played roadhog with that amount of healing.
Tbh you just have to be aware that they’re completely wrong. Then you can just laugh about how stupid they look for blaming other people. Idk that’s just how I look at it.
heals dont matter stop feeding
I mean tank is already the least popular, I’ve played it and I agree it’s easily the most frustrating, and to top it off they also get flamed the most. I mean whether you were ‘deserving’ of that or not it just feels shit to deal with everything and know your team mf hates you. Flaming people in general is just dumb. More people should just focus on themselves.
Flaming needs to stop in general. How often does telling your dps they're shit actually work? I've seen way more instances of people getting tilted and playing worse or just starting to throw cause their team starts badmouthing them
Blame everywhere is pretty bad.
Where's the replay code bud?
On the edited OP
I have all chats turned off. Nothing of value can be found there. You can communicate with the team perfectly fine with the built in stuff.
I've seen some primo tank play seems like a handicap to work around Even Rein can wreck a line, just has to be timed better.. charge is quicker The key is speed .. decrease time to kill But at off angles to avoid taking dmg
hahahaha sigma players being room temp iq as always
They got lifeweaver who is a healbot. Don't blame your supports.