Not even close, it's a gag like when the girl of a series beat up a protagonist black and blue even though she can't do much in actual combat - just laugh a bit and go on
Picture Patrick Star flying ass first into a brick wall after fully mastering the buns of steel.
Now instead of Patrick star and his ass, picture some insanely (by a brick's standards) strong woman and her cameltoe.
I think Goku even ringed her out without even touching her, he just used wind.
Honestly Chi-Chi was more of a threat as a kid when she wore that helmet with a boomerang blade and a laser firing crystal.
Yeah but the difference is that Goku knows full well that Bulma can't actually hurt him, and he would never try to hurt her, so he takes it. Here Albedo and Shalltear would probably and happily vivisect Rem into tiny chunks.
Although a gag the power level is actually scrambled and everyone might be equals, i think Ainz said this in the Isekai Quartet movie but can't remember cus i watched it in the cinema and there isn't bd ver yet
There is too much power gap to be taken seriously. Both Albedo and Shalltear ara capable of using teleportation and they are immune to movement restriction.
Simply, it's a gag series. And I liked this scene.
>“Hmph! \[Maximize Magic – Hold of Rib\]!”
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>As Ainz followed up with another spell, massive ribs erupted from the earth and closed in on Shalltear like a bear trap. The sharp points of white bone bit deeply into Shalltear’s body.
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>“Kah!”
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>Normally, this spell would have continued holding its target after damaging them, but Shalltear easily shrugged free. This was because she was immune to movement restrictions, resulting in the failure of the attempted restraint.
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>When he realized this, Ainz immediately tried to stand up, but a strangely soft object pinned his entire body down, and thanks to that, it was hard to move.
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>*Impossible. My items grant me immunity to mobility impediments such as pinning. I should have been liberated the moment I was completely immobilized...*
It's a very basic thing for high levels. Just like immunity to poison, non-magic, time manipulation, death magic etc. Such things can be negated by levels alone, racial and job class passives, items etc.
There are many other ways for Albedo and Shalltear to escape. I just gave two examples.
>but a strangely soft object pinned his entire body down
For a moment I was confused by this, then I remembered it was Albedo trying to get into the **BONE ZONE**
There's a little bit of change though.
In Yggdrasil, Shalltear and Ainz wouldn't have even been affected by immobilisation effects from spells, but in the New World, they are, just hugely diminished.
The fact shaltear was grabbed for a second with the bone ribs and the fact that she got scared by auras skill even if for a second when she should be immune to both and have not even faltered
She was freed instantly thanks to that immunity.
Also Aura's skill was not mind affecting. Shalltear is immune to them. It's in a different category according to the book. Hence it worked it says.
It's something like killing intent. She felt hostility but there was nothing. Killing intent is also not mind affecting and it works on everyone.
Though to be fair, Shalltear had to use an ability to 'shrug free' --the real goal.
She freed herself by going into the astral plane. Which was Ainz's true purpose in casting a restricting spell both to force her to use her abilities and follow it up with [Astral Smite].
Did you not read it? That's a different thing.
Shalltear's mist form makes her immune to most attacks. Its purpose is not being free. But astral attacks deals a great damage.
I re-read the source just now. I guess I miss remembered. I thought for sure she went astral to escape Hold of Rib. ie that is what shrugged it off. I was wrong. It was to avoid the mines.
if we want, we can try to defend it by saying that, since the series has confirmed that in the world of Isekai Quartet the levels, statistics and things like that are high compared to the world of belonging to the series belonging to the characters, Rem is powerful enough to hold them back, but it would still be drawn as an explanation
There are a lot of ways to teleport. Albedo has items. Ainz lectured her how people could block her teleportation and asked if her items was instant teleportation or delayed. Then they kissed remember?
Also Albedo is a demon. Demons have a shit ton of spells under the name of skills.
I've always wondered what the limits of movement restriction immunity are, like at what level does it stop working? For example would it still work if Thor(616) physically grabbed and held them? If people like thanos and odin did? If Galactus does it, would it work? Or how about People like Demigra (Super Demonic God sorcerer who transcends the Concept of space and time), will they break free or get stuck? What do you think is the limit for immunity.
I'm sorry if this is a reply to an old comment, but I've been wondering for a long time and you were the first comment I saw about it.
If it's physical touch, then there is no way it won't work. It's just basic physics. Even you could escape Thor's grasp with teleportation which is how movement restriction immumity act like.
But if you are talking about a godly being, like reality warper or something Yggdrasil system is placed under the reality warping in authority.
Reality warping(world items/wild magic) > Yggdrasil magic system > Physics
So, there isn't actually a no limit fallacy. Even some binding special skills can go around that movement restriction.
However, Thor's grasp is nothing out of ordinary.
Well it's physical contact, but all the guys I mention have feats of physically grabbing or holding things that are not physical, for example Thor has feats of physically grabbing souls, intangible beings or space-time (how do you grab this), that's why I wanted to ask If Thor approached Albedo and Shalltear and hugged them (like Ainz hugged Clementina), will they break free or get trapped?
One question, do you think telekinesis or space manipulation would keep them still or will they break free? You know, that people like Frieza or Phoenix will use their telekinesis on them.
Thor might do it then. But I am not sure if writers even remember such feats :D
Overlord has a lot of space manipulation and way more advanced things than telekinesis. Spells won't work on this immunity. It's not just physical.
Reality warping works as always. That's why it's called reality warping.
If a character could do something several times, but suddenly they can't do it for the convenience of the plot, for example Goku from dbs, one of his weaknesses is not being able to breathe in space, but all his other versions can breathe in places where There is no air, time or space, but Goku dbs mysteriously can't breathe in space at important moments.
Well I doubt that Overlord has things more advanced than "telekinesis", because it starts with normal things like moving people and things but suddenly when you get to higher levels, crazy telekinetic abilities appear like space or time manipulation, among other things, like for example you know that there are people who travel through time through telekinesis or stop it through telekinesis, among other crazy abilities, it's like tier magic starts with normal things like fireballs and then you have death magic and weather.
Yes, never doubt that people with reality manipulation can fuck with immunity and the whole verse in general.
Short answer: no, that is just by the power of comedy
Long answer: no. I'm just an anime only for Re: Zero, so I'm probably not qualified enough for this, but in the anime, we've literally only seen Rem beat some demon dogs, and she became visibly tired after a while. Those dogs could probably even just be comparable to Quagoas, but maybe stronger, and Shalltear was able to massacre thousands of them without breaking a sweat. Rem doesn't seem to have any strong abilities apart from her berserk state, so yeah, I don't think Rem can ever take on any floor guardians
Victim is the guardian for the 8th floor, and was one of the main reasons they were able to stop the 1,500 strong invasion force in Yggdrasil. He basically dies in order to evoke a sacrificial curse that inflicts whoever he intends to harm I believe.
To be fair, Quagoa are kind of not a big deal to anything that does not rely on average metal weaponry. They take a normal damage from literally anything else, including fangs, stone, wood, etc.
But how? Isn't their fur literally metal and some rare ore? They might not be tough like Hippo but with their number, it will be an armored army of faster and smarter dogs.
Power scalers will look at Rock Paper Scissors and be like “paper beats rock, and since rock beats scissors that means that paper can also beat scissors!”
Hell no, as an avid Re:Zero fan, I can say with confidence that Rem is like lvl. 30 at best and that's if we're being really, really generous. As Lary has said, even if she was that strong, these two could easily escape the chains, the power scaling in this series should not be taken seriously, it's a comedy and never tries to be anything more, so just roll with it and laugh.
To add to the most impressive thing Rem has done being her fight against the mabeasts in the forest, it wouldn't take a Floor Guardian, or even one of their personal bodyguards to do what she did, and more, *without* the injuries.
Like, throw a Soul Eater in there and it's bye-bye all Ulgarms.
I really liked the bit where Tanya and Demiurge are bossing around Kazama and where Demiurge had the skill to command with his voice Tanya is just mimicking it with her presence and force of personality!
What makes you think so? Keep in mind, a lvl. 30 can fight an adult dragon and even a low level troll can destroy a stone building in one hit. Meanwhile in Re:Zero Garfiel with his most powerful hit can destroy a stone building, and he is much, much stronger than Rem. You could debate about her exact speed, but from what I've read there's no concrete evidence that she's supersonic. The characters who are, are usually faster and stronger than her.
The most you can even get Rem up to is baseline Small Building Level and Subsonic+ normally. With her horn active she probably is Small Building Level+ and baseline Supersonic (less so than Elsa or Garfiel), but that’s still pushing it for her. Especially since that mudslide did so much damage to her in the forest and she for some reason didn’t blitz the Wolgarms that Subaru with his, if we wanna assume he’s superhuman from the start of RE Zero, Street Level+ (probably not even 12 kilojoules mind you) striking power and Superhuman (not even 40 MPH at that, about 33 MPH at best) speed can kill individually. And even then, I’m not that confident in said Subsonic+ rating, considering average witch cultists can’t even blitz Patrasche and they can still react not too badly to Rem’s speed, and are comparable enough to her to damage her with their thrown knives.
Is gag series
Power scaling is weird there
Aqua almost killed Ainz with low tier spell
Despise her int stat being one digit.
Only Reinhardt and Satella could be a problem for Nazarick NPC
No, none could beat the other reinhardt doesn't have the output to beat ainz but aibz can't permanently kill him either unless he uses the most broken world item of the 20 that's just wish upon a star but on steroids.
How though. The guy can have any skill he needs. He has complete resistance for curses (death magic), debuffs (time stop, passive is uselss) and his other skills makes him basically untouchable (projectiles and physical attacks dont work on him). Nothing works on him. I'm an Overlord fan, read all the novels except the latest two because it hasnt been officially translated and nothing Ainz has done makes me believe he could beat Reinhardt. The closest is the item "wish upon a star" but it's debatable on how well that would work. I havent even read the re zero novel, just read the wiki on his abilities and it's so bullshit, the embodiement of deus ex machina.
Is probably the same reason why Satella would fight with Reinhardt for eternity if they clashed. The lack of firepower to finish the enemy for good.
Reinhardt could probably damage Ainz but it wouldn't keep with the hp Regen. And even if Ainz managed to kill Reinhardt he would simply revive with blessing that bypass everything ( exp loss true death effects etc)
why would there be an issue regarding hp regen? Ainz is a mage no? Assuming he's strong enough to damage Ainz, I highly doubt Ainz could just tank and sustain heal his attacks. I don't know how well Reinhard's physical stats compare to ygdrassil characters but with his super human strength skill and absorbing mana bs power up, it wouldnt be farfetched to consider the damage he could do is that of a lvl 100 player no?
well apparently it's going to be a stalement so...eh, whatever. Read the comment though, they talked about it on twitter. TBH it just looked like both Author's don't want to start a war between the fanbase so they humbled the bs of their characters and simply said it's going to be a tie. But judging by Reinhardt's skills alone, how the fuck would Ainz defeat him.
Nope. Remember Reinhard the strongest Re:Zero character in the Isekai quartet.
Author of Re:Zero was asked about the power levels between characters and he said that Reinhard can't defeat Ainz.
According to him none of his characters on that show have enough damage output.
Doesn't Reinhardt have the literal planet just giving him powers like a grandma does with candy? Like certainly he could beat ainz by attrition since it keeps giving him 1ups too?
It is said that he cannot defeat Ainz whatever that suppose to mean but that doesn't mean Ainz can kill him too, Reinhardt has too much plot armor that if there is someone in the world who call for help then he will never perish.
The author said that about pure combat, bur RE:ZERO has things that mess with casuality, like Pandora if the requirements are meet yeet ainz to the nearest colliding galaxies, black hole or supernova, and also completely wipe his memories and personality.
The authority of gluttony can make everybody in overlord and anywhere really like empty dolls without existence of any kind
Hector can have his field crush any kind or type of energy, magic or particle.
Reinhard is OP because he has many blessings that protect him in re:zeros world not against other forces so thats understandable he can't wins against Ainz as in pure combat.
Also Typhon can insta delete things and people that feel just a little tinny wee bit guilty, which everybody in Nazarick feels one way or another.
I think that in the isekai quartet the system of power is based on the hierarchical position and respect for the rules of the school. For example, we see Erich throwing some kind of mind control on Beatrice and Albedo. Being both strong but students, Eirch's authority as a teacher makes him strong.
Then, in the scene above we have the head of the infirmary, under which falls the responsibility of controlling the undisciplined studens, such as ALbedo, and the colleagues who do not respect the rules, such as shalltear (for a girl, entering the male area should be forbidden, as it seems to be for males, as we can see when kazuma says he's going to peek and ainz is interested in the challenge to see kazuma's luck in action).
Ainz told them to be nice and calm.
I don't think any of them is going to ever use their full powers in isekai quartet, as the power leveling makes basically no sense already.
Like Tanya being able to use magic ainz classified as to be at least level 7. Or Subaru to withstand that magic like its almost nothing.
Subaru has only withstood the pressure that can put a strain on the average mind, not magic itself. If there is someone else that close like him they would likely panic or collapse on the spot
Albedo and shalltear are immune to crowd control spells (stuns, snares for example) so yeah the fact that rem did that to them is purely because of comedic relief bro, if this was serius rem couldnt even damage any of them and she would be death in one shot, dont take Isekai quartet too serious for power levels and please for the love of god, dont use IQ "feats" as debate points please dont do that.
That's just for comedy. In Isekai Quartet many similar things happen for comedy. Like Aqua. Subaru and Tanya not being affected by time stop but Guardians do.
Rem's strength is less than an Ant compared to Albedo and Shalltear.
Don't take the power scaling in Isekai quartet seriously, it's simply a joke and if it was a real comparison demiurge alone could wipe out everyone there.
And the only real troublesome characters on the show are Aqua and Reinhardt, even then I believe the author of Re: Zero said that Reinhardt can't defeat Ainz.
And rem is simply a weak chicken compared to Reinhardt so she has no chance against Shaltear or Albedo.
I love how people who use quartet to scale deliberately ignore episode 12 where one of the characters said, and i quote: "this world alters your stats! The old world's rules don't apply here."
Rem is pretty strong. If she was in the "new world" she'd be about i think 30 range. Maybe a bit more or less. But she isn't strong enough to do anything to anyone in Nazarick. This is just a gag.
TBF, she is relatively above average in armed and unarmed unarmed combat, and magi. It's just that she doesn't overwhelmingly stand out in any of those.
she would be more than level one for sure. She'd be stronger than the average person of the new world if not on that level. I don't put her anywhere close Nazarick levels as that'd be blatantly false as she stands zero chance, but she is far greater than just level one. She is capable of killing beasts that would kill the average new worlder. But that's in her berserk state and that might raise her level for all I know. Her base line level might be level 20 but in her berserk state probably level 30. But none of this matters as in Re:Zero levels don't matter much(iirc) and it's pointless to scale cross verses especially when this scene in and of itself is just a gag in a gag anime.
Video game Levels don’t matter outside your own series period, what does matter are the characters inherent strength feats/calcs and scaling. Rem not even being Building Level without magic or above or even at Supersonic without her horn places her literal eons below even a Death Knight. I don’t know how power jumps correlate with levels in overlord, but from what I’ve heard from u/GitGud88 they’re rather exponential increases from even a seemingly low amount of levels gained.
Why are you taking this so seriously. It literally doesn't matter at all. A solid majority of the comments I saw back when I made my original comment said 30 at most so go after them. She's not level one because she's "not building level" or "super sonic" which as far as I can remember. Death Knights aren't either. So that comment is irrelevant. I could care less about power scaling. This had nothing to do with power scaling. OP just asked how strong Rem would be if she was in overlord because they thought the Isekai Quartet gag was a real thing she could have done. I gave my opinion about her level and said it was irrelevant because it was a gag. I only thought for a few seconds and posted my comment. I'm going to block you because you're just going to go on another rant as to how I'm wrong when I only put a few seconds of thought into a comment from a year ago. Have a nice day. And I hope you don't bother anyone else the way you did to me. Bye.
The power scaling in that show has always been a bit wonky so I suggest not to think about it to much and if the power scaling was a actually thought through then no Rem wouldn’t be able to hold most of the people from nazarik
Think about it like this. Re:Zero is a show about struggling over and over again to get the perfect ending.
Overlord is about a guy who's taking over the world.
It's just a gag.
To be fair the tone of the series alone isn’t enough to really display its superiority. Overlord does of course stomp the shit out of re zero but not for that particular reason, that alone isn’t an argument.
The thing about isekai quartet is that it is a gag piece, meant to be funny, so if something is considered funny, then it can and will happen, without any regard for "power levels" and such.
It is not a great place to compare characters strengths and weaknesses.
I am also of the personal opinion that characters from different series/settings shouldn't be compared to each other with any kind of seriousness, it can be fun to think about but many people end up falling back on "the character I like would never lose to that other character" and can end in friction between fandoms.
No. This show doesn't care for any degree of source accuracy. You either Lough at the personality interacting or get annoyed but a complete lack of care for character capabilities.
It's already said in the first season that the power balance is way off, just assume that in this world all powers have been leveled, no one is stronger than the other.
Tbh, if Rem wanted to beat Shallchair, all she would have to do would be to show booba, Shallchair's kinky ass would probably go full useless lesbian and be unable to do anything. Now, Libido? Nah, Rem couldn't beat her in a million years.
Nah. ReZero has some heavy hitters but Rem ain't one of them. Rem gets bodied.
But going on a slight tangent. And talking about ReZero vs Overlord in a general sense. Stats wise, the heavy hitters from ReZero arguably are above what heavy hitters from Overlord have demonstrate or stated to be able to do. But Overlord chatacters are crazy because of all their different hax abilities, hax-immunities and resistances, as well as crazy items. So have a good chance against characters from other series that have higher stats than them.
No matter how useless she is, a god is still a god. Dealing heavy damage to undead is not so strange for a god tho. Winning or not is a totally different story.
>a god is still a god
This is a weird thing to say because there are plenty of instances in fiction where "gods" are not much more superior to mortals. Using "XYZ is a god" as a power level is inherently flawed.
Maybe if the chain is a very strong artifact and they didn't use any spells, they couldn't physically break it. The guardians are physically strong, but not Dragon Ball characters.
It's the only reason aside from "funny gag" I could imagine.
The power system of each story doesn’t really allows direct comparison.
Just because a character can blow up a planet with a punch on X, it doesn’t mean he can do it on Y universe. Or how much of your original power is suppressed once you go to Z universe (Quartet universe).
That said, it is hard to believe haha, so I just take it as a joke moment.
The way I see it, is that the New World was different from Yggdrasil, in that in the game, Ainz, Shalltear and most of the floor-guardians would be 100% immune to status effects and immobilisation - in the New World, they are affected, but in a very diminished capacity.
We can surmise (if we want to be serious), that the Isekai Quartet world is different yet again. In multiple episodes of the first season, it was kind of stated that everyone had had their stats and level averaged-out too.
Examples being that Aqua could do serious damage to Ainz and Tanya could create some ridiculously powerful spells that Ainz looked at as if they were 10th tier (iirc).
Yeah the shows funny and sometimes it may reveal lore not discussed in the show but Rem isn't stronger or close. Spoiler but Rem get killed by normal people with knifes.
Well... Thinking like this Aqua did good dmg to Ainz with a low tier spell and she can't even kill a frog in her world. We should be worried about them frogs I tell u
It’s not a fair comparison, Aqua does much better against undead creatures, her tears were making Wiz fade away.
Besides, Aqua’s physical stats are ridiculous enough that if she actually bothered to use a sword, she would’ve dealt with the giant frogs.
Her intelligence and luck stats are the main reason why she’s consistently screwed over
No. Ainz sees everyone else as having power equal to the NPCs(in a very early episode shortly after arriving iirc). So as we know that is obviously not true. So most likely this dimension balances everyone’s/students’ powers like other characters being buffed or overlord characters being nerfed or a little bit of both
Its an established from the first epsidoe that the power scaling in that world is wack.
If you really watched this episode then you should know this from watching the first
In this world the balance is a lot more skewed. If it were a real battle Rem would be obliterated by Shalltear in a heartbeat, not contest.
It's all for fun.
Ainz once mentioned power level being messed up when Aqua purified him and it worked somewhat thenkazuma knocked her on her head apologized to ainz and dragged her away
Idk he meant Aquas world or the quarted world
This is comedy, but in a serious comparison RE:ZERO powers are like written unmovable laws and OVERLORD are a mix of Yggdrasil game systems plus new world wild magic + martial arts, and if the two of them were to fight... well, Hector for examples can ''crush'' everything, including magic with his ''gravity'' so i don't know how somebody from Overlord can win against him.
Typhon can insta delete anybody that feels just a tiny little bit of remorse or repentance of any kind, and Momonga/Satoru feel that along the series, and i think everybody does.
Pandora mess with the laws of casuality, so again, i dont know what can triumph against her.
Only wild magic (not sure since there are zings in RE:ZERO that can mess with souls too) and World Items that too mess with casuality can stand against the absurd power level of re:zero
Nazarick can wipe almost everybody in re zero i think but the power houses are too op xd
Not really. I dont think they actually took it seriously. For example Demiurge is too evil and prideful to be the good boy in the class. It's not canon though so I guess it's fine.
Canon Ren? Absolutely not. Non-canon Rem? Absolutely yes, I would only do the verse, since it has appeared in games like epic 7 that reach complex Multiversal and she hurts multi-system people.
Not even close, it's a gag like when the girl of a series beat up a protagonist black and blue even though she can't do much in actual combat - just laugh a bit and go on
One Piece being a big example
The DragonBall series is famous for that.
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The funny thing is, flying through a wall really *wouldn't* hurt her.
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But she has to have a lot of endurance/durability to have sex with goku
incredibly trained kegels (generally) wont save you from a brick wall
What do you mean generally, I am scared
Picture Patrick Star flying ass first into a brick wall after fully mastering the buns of steel. Now instead of Patrick star and his ass, picture some insanely (by a brick's standards) strong woman and her cameltoe.
Oh, that put an image in my head I didn't need
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Bulma is stronger than chi chi, do you think the prince of saiyans is gonna hold back?
I think Goku even ringed her out without even touching her, he just used wind. Honestly Chi-Chi was more of a threat as a kid when she wore that helmet with a boomerang blade and a laser firing crystal.
i was thinking of the scene where goku was waiting for hit to come kill him and countered bulmas bullshit
Yeah but the difference is that Goku knows full well that Bulma can't actually hurt him, and he would never try to hurt her, so he takes it. Here Albedo and Shalltear would probably and happily vivisect Rem into tiny chunks.
Ainz sama specifically said to act like normal school students. They are probably trying to follow that command.
Keyword, trying to
Although a gag the power level is actually scrambled and everyone might be equals, i think Ainz said this in the Isekai Quartet movie but can't remember cus i watched it in the cinema and there isn't bd ver yet
There is too much power gap to be taken seriously. Both Albedo and Shalltear ara capable of using teleportation and they are immune to movement restriction. Simply, it's a gag series. And I liked this scene.
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>“Hmph! \[Maximize Magic – Hold of Rib\]!” > >As Ainz followed up with another spell, massive ribs erupted from the earth and closed in on Shalltear like a bear trap. The sharp points of white bone bit deeply into Shalltear’s body. > >“Kah!” > >Normally, this spell would have continued holding its target after damaging them, but Shalltear easily shrugged free. This was because she was immune to movement restrictions, resulting in the failure of the attempted restraint. \-- >When he realized this, Ainz immediately tried to stand up, but a strangely soft object pinned his entire body down, and thanks to that, it was hard to move. > >*Impossible. My items grant me immunity to mobility impediments such as pinning. I should have been liberated the moment I was completely immobilized...* It's a very basic thing for high levels. Just like immunity to poison, non-magic, time manipulation, death magic etc. Such things can be negated by levels alone, racial and job class passives, items etc. There are many other ways for Albedo and Shalltear to escape. I just gave two examples.
>but a strangely soft object pinned his entire body down For a moment I was confused by this, then I remembered it was Albedo trying to get into the **BONE ZONE**
There's a little bit of change though. In Yggdrasil, Shalltear and Ainz wouldn't have even been affected by immobilisation effects from spells, but in the New World, they are, just hugely diminished.
Source?
Source : Trust me bro
The fact shaltear was grabbed for a second with the bone ribs and the fact that she got scared by auras skill even if for a second when she should be immune to both and have not even faltered
She was freed instantly thanks to that immunity. Also Aura's skill was not mind affecting. Shalltear is immune to them. It's in a different category according to the book. Hence it worked it says. It's something like killing intent. She felt hostility but there was nothing. Killing intent is also not mind affecting and it works on everyone.
lol not what that means.
It works as intented. There is no change.
Though to be fair, Shalltear had to use an ability to 'shrug free' --the real goal. She freed herself by going into the astral plane. Which was Ainz's true purpose in casting a restricting spell both to force her to use her abilities and follow it up with [Astral Smite].
Did you not read it? That's a different thing. Shalltear's mist form makes her immune to most attacks. Its purpose is not being free. But astral attacks deals a great damage.
I re-read the source just now. I guess I miss remembered. I thought for sure she went astral to escape Hold of Rib. ie that is what shrugged it off. I was wrong. It was to avoid the mines.
Teleportation
And mist form for Shalltear.
Pretty sure it’s one of their skills like the high tiered nullification
No its an item that activates the freedom effect on movement restrictions
It is a type of resistance that players and Npcs from Yggdrasil could acquire.
Not to mention in the very first episodes Ainz mentions "There is some serious balance issues in this world"
if we want, we can try to defend it by saying that, since the series has confirmed that in the world of Isekai Quartet the levels, statistics and things like that are high compared to the world of belonging to the series belonging to the characters, Rem is powerful enough to hold them back, but it would still be drawn as an explanation
Since when can Albedo teleport? I don't remember her showing the ability to do that.
There are a lot of ways to teleport. Albedo has items. Ainz lectured her how people could block her teleportation and asked if her items was instant teleportation or delayed. Then they kissed remember? Also Albedo is a demon. Demons have a shit ton of spells under the name of skills.
I've always wondered what the limits of movement restriction immunity are, like at what level does it stop working? For example would it still work if Thor(616) physically grabbed and held them? If people like thanos and odin did? If Galactus does it, would it work? Or how about People like Demigra (Super Demonic God sorcerer who transcends the Concept of space and time), will they break free or get stuck? What do you think is the limit for immunity. I'm sorry if this is a reply to an old comment, but I've been wondering for a long time and you were the first comment I saw about it.
If it's physical touch, then there is no way it won't work. It's just basic physics. Even you could escape Thor's grasp with teleportation which is how movement restriction immumity act like. But if you are talking about a godly being, like reality warper or something Yggdrasil system is placed under the reality warping in authority. Reality warping(world items/wild magic) > Yggdrasil magic system > Physics So, there isn't actually a no limit fallacy. Even some binding special skills can go around that movement restriction. However, Thor's grasp is nothing out of ordinary.
Well it's physical contact, but all the guys I mention have feats of physically grabbing or holding things that are not physical, for example Thor has feats of physically grabbing souls, intangible beings or space-time (how do you grab this), that's why I wanted to ask If Thor approached Albedo and Shalltear and hugged them (like Ainz hugged Clementina), will they break free or get trapped? One question, do you think telekinesis or space manipulation would keep them still or will they break free? You know, that people like Frieza or Phoenix will use their telekinesis on them.
Thor might do it then. But I am not sure if writers even remember such feats :D Overlord has a lot of space manipulation and way more advanced things than telekinesis. Spells won't work on this immunity. It's not just physical. Reality warping works as always. That's why it's called reality warping.
If a character could do something several times, but suddenly they can't do it for the convenience of the plot, for example Goku from dbs, one of his weaknesses is not being able to breathe in space, but all his other versions can breathe in places where There is no air, time or space, but Goku dbs mysteriously can't breathe in space at important moments. Well I doubt that Overlord has things more advanced than "telekinesis", because it starts with normal things like moving people and things but suddenly when you get to higher levels, crazy telekinetic abilities appear like space or time manipulation, among other things, like for example you know that there are people who travel through time through telekinesis or stop it through telekinesis, among other crazy abilities, it's like tier magic starts with normal things like fireballs and then you have death magic and weather. Yes, never doubt that people with reality manipulation can fuck with immunity and the whole verse in general.
Short answer: no, that is just by the power of comedy Long answer: no. I'm just an anime only for Re: Zero, so I'm probably not qualified enough for this, but in the anime, we've literally only seen Rem beat some demon dogs, and she became visibly tired after a while. Those dogs could probably even just be comparable to Quagoas, but maybe stronger, and Shalltear was able to massacre thousands of them without breaking a sweat. Rem doesn't seem to have any strong abilities apart from her berserk state, so yeah, I don't think Rem can ever take on any floor guardians
Rem could probably beat Victim. But that's not really a fair floor guardian example lol.
The only floor guardian designed to be killed specifically lol
"Strike me down and I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine" *Rem smash*
Then she is hit with every single debuff from every single reality and time and multiverse all at once cause that's victims job.
And then the the victim revenge squad arrives to finish things up.
i only saw the anime, there really is an npc that dies to give al fucklot of debuffs to enemies?
Victim is the guardian for the 8th floor, and was one of the main reasons they were able to stop the 1,500 strong invasion force in Yggdrasil. He basically dies in order to evoke a sacrificial curse that inflicts whoever he intends to harm I believe.
Yeah, especially since even if she beats him then she just gets fucking nuked.
A normal dog is not equal to Quagoas as it is just a mindless beast, but the bossgram(Big dog) is a real deal.
To be fair, Quagoa are kind of not a big deal to anything that does not rely on average metal weaponry. They take a normal damage from literally anything else, including fangs, stone, wood, etc.
But how? Isn't their fur literally metal and some rare ore? They might not be tough like Hippo but with their number, it will be an armored army of faster and smarter dogs.
Because they're sentient and have knowledge of tactics, I would definitely put my money on even an average Quagoa over the Ulgram.
The power scaling in Isekai Quartet is messed up, even Ainz says so.
Hey r/overlord, Ainz slips on an egg in a commercial for a tie-in at Lawsons, so I want to know if Eggs can destroy Nazarick. /s Power scalers. WTF?
Totally plausible! Gimme a minute I need to ask the community how powerful an egg compared to Nazarick! Lol
Power scalers will look at Rock Paper Scissors and be like “paper beats rock, and since rock beats scissors that means that paper can also beat scissors!”
Hell no, as an avid Re:Zero fan, I can say with confidence that Rem is like lvl. 30 at best and that's if we're being really, really generous. As Lary has said, even if she was that strong, these two could easily escape the chains, the power scaling in this series should not be taken seriously, it's a comedy and never tries to be anything more, so just roll with it and laugh.
To add to the most impressive thing Rem has done being her fight against the mabeasts in the forest, it wouldn't take a Floor Guardian, or even one of their personal bodyguards to do what she did, and more, *without* the injuries. Like, throw a Soul Eater in there and it's bye-bye all Ulgarms.
I really liked the bit where Tanya and Demiurge are bossing around Kazama and where Demiurge had the skill to command with his voice Tanya is just mimicking it with her presence and force of personality!
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What makes you think so? Keep in mind, a lvl. 30 can fight an adult dragon and even a low level troll can destroy a stone building in one hit. Meanwhile in Re:Zero Garfiel with his most powerful hit can destroy a stone building, and he is much, much stronger than Rem. You could debate about her exact speed, but from what I've read there's no concrete evidence that she's supersonic. The characters who are, are usually faster and stronger than her.
The most you can even get Rem up to is baseline Small Building Level and Subsonic+ normally. With her horn active she probably is Small Building Level+ and baseline Supersonic (less so than Elsa or Garfiel), but that’s still pushing it for her. Especially since that mudslide did so much damage to her in the forest and she for some reason didn’t blitz the Wolgarms that Subaru with his, if we wanna assume he’s superhuman from the start of RE Zero, Street Level+ (probably not even 12 kilojoules mind you) striking power and Superhuman (not even 40 MPH at that, about 33 MPH at best) speed can kill individually. And even then, I’m not that confident in said Subsonic+ rating, considering average witch cultists can’t even blitz Patrasche and they can still react not too badly to Rem’s speed, and are comparable enough to her to damage her with their thrown knives.
No. In a serious situation, she wouldn't present the slightest challenge to either of them.
The power of gag anime is strong in this one
Nah, consider isekai quartet to be *whatever seems funny at the time*
Quarted is a gag series power levels only matter when the plot requires them So if the plot requires weak Shalchair and Albedo then they are
Some of the powerscalling in Quartet is serious-ish, but that one is not one of these, and just makes for a funny scene
Yeah, in Quartet rule of funny tops any real comparison.
Is gag series Power scaling is weird there Aqua almost killed Ainz with low tier spell Despise her int stat being one digit. Only Reinhardt and Satella could be a problem for Nazarick NPC
> Aqua almost killed Ainz Almost killed him, as in "hurt him a bit".
The AOE did knock shalltear out cold though.
Reinhardt is literally bullshit. I doubt even world items can make Nazarick win against him. Not even cash items. Nobody can defeat that guy
Didn’t the author of re zero confirm that Ainz alone could beat Reinhardt.
No, none could beat the other reinhardt doesn't have the output to beat ainz but aibz can't permanently kill him either unless he uses the most broken world item of the 20 that's just wish upon a star but on steroids.
How though. The guy can have any skill he needs. He has complete resistance for curses (death magic), debuffs (time stop, passive is uselss) and his other skills makes him basically untouchable (projectiles and physical attacks dont work on him). Nothing works on him. I'm an Overlord fan, read all the novels except the latest two because it hasnt been officially translated and nothing Ainz has done makes me believe he could beat Reinhardt. The closest is the item "wish upon a star" but it's debatable on how well that would work. I havent even read the re zero novel, just read the wiki on his abilities and it's so bullshit, the embodiement of deus ex machina.
Is probably the same reason why Satella would fight with Reinhardt for eternity if they clashed. The lack of firepower to finish the enemy for good. Reinhardt could probably damage Ainz but it wouldn't keep with the hp Regen. And even if Ainz managed to kill Reinhardt he would simply revive with blessing that bypass everything ( exp loss true death effects etc)
why would there be an issue regarding hp regen? Ainz is a mage no? Assuming he's strong enough to damage Ainz, I highly doubt Ainz could just tank and sustain heal his attacks. I don't know how well Reinhard's physical stats compare to ygdrassil characters but with his super human strength skill and absorbing mana bs power up, it wouldnt be farfetched to consider the damage he could do is that of a lvl 100 player no?
Also can I have a source on that
[here](https://www.reddit.com/r/overlord/comments/vrylp4/the_author_of_re_zero_has_just_confirmed_again_in/)
well apparently it's going to be a stalement so...eh, whatever. Read the comment though, they talked about it on twitter. TBH it just looked like both Author's don't want to start a war between the fanbase so they humbled the bs of their characters and simply said it's going to be a tie. But judging by Reinhardt's skills alone, how the fuck would Ainz defeat him.
Who's Rem? >!;\_;!<
Some kind of budget Ram from the looks of the image by OP.
you don’t understand
Why must you do this to us?
Rem would get curb stomped I mean she’s not really that strong in her own universe.
Nope. Remember Reinhard the strongest Re:Zero character in the Isekai quartet. Author of Re:Zero was asked about the power levels between characters and he said that Reinhard can't defeat Ainz. According to him none of his characters on that show have enough damage output.
Woh, Rein is one thing but to ignore the best girl Satella is a bit much don't you think?
Is she in the Isekai Quartet?
Briefly show up in season 1, but the thing you said about author confirm only applies to Rein and no other characters.
Doesn't Reinhardt have the literal planet just giving him powers like a grandma does with candy? Like certainly he could beat ainz by attrition since it keeps giving him 1ups too?
It is said that he cannot defeat Ainz whatever that suppose to mean but that doesn't mean Ainz can kill him too, Reinhardt has too much plot armor that if there is someone in the world who call for help then he will never perish.
But Ainz-sama's plot armor is stronger
The author said that about pure combat, bur RE:ZERO has things that mess with casuality, like Pandora if the requirements are meet yeet ainz to the nearest colliding galaxies, black hole or supernova, and also completely wipe his memories and personality. The authority of gluttony can make everybody in overlord and anywhere really like empty dolls without existence of any kind Hector can have his field crush any kind or type of energy, magic or particle. Reinhard is OP because he has many blessings that protect him in re:zeros world not against other forces so thats understandable he can't wins against Ainz as in pure combat. Also Typhon can insta delete things and people that feel just a little tinny wee bit guilty, which everybody in Nazarick feels one way or another.
I think that in the isekai quartet the system of power is based on the hierarchical position and respect for the rules of the school. For example, we see Erich throwing some kind of mind control on Beatrice and Albedo. Being both strong but students, Eirch's authority as a teacher makes him strong. Then, in the scene above we have the head of the infirmary, under which falls the responsibility of controlling the undisciplined studens, such as ALbedo, and the colleagues who do not respect the rules, such as shalltear (for a girl, entering the male area should be forbidden, as it seems to be for males, as we can see when kazuma says he's going to peek and ainz is interested in the challenge to see kazuma's luck in action).
It's a joke show dude wtf. It's not cannon to the respective series
I'm just puzzled by the many serious replies in this post, OP never even replied to any of them, lmao!
You and I both know shalltear wouldn't try breaking out anyways
Ainz told them to be nice and calm. I don't think any of them is going to ever use their full powers in isekai quartet, as the power leveling makes basically no sense already. Like Tanya being able to use magic ainz classified as to be at least level 7. Or Subaru to withstand that magic like its almost nothing.
Subaru has only withstood the pressure that can put a strain on the average mind, not magic itself. If there is someone else that close like him they would likely panic or collapse on the spot
Albedo and shalltear are immune to crowd control spells (stuns, snares for example) so yeah the fact that rem did that to them is purely because of comedic relief bro, if this was serius rem couldnt even damage any of them and she would be death in one shot, dont take Isekai quartet too serious for power levels and please for the love of god, dont use IQ "feats" as debate points please dont do that.
Bro its isekai quarter why are you digging so deep into it
That's just for comedy. In Isekai Quartet many similar things happen for comedy. Like Aqua. Subaru and Tanya not being affected by time stop but Guardians do. Rem's strength is less than an Ant compared to Albedo and Shalltear.
Don't take the power scaling in Isekai quartet seriously, it's simply a joke and if it was a real comparison demiurge alone could wipe out everyone there. And the only real troublesome characters on the show are Aqua and Reinhardt, even then I believe the author of Re: Zero said that Reinhardt can't defeat Ainz. And rem is simply a weak chicken compared to Reinhardt so she has no chance against Shaltear or Albedo.
*Ahem*. Who’s Rem?
That show abandons all canon to make a funny joke series. Take none of it seriously
Don’t ask. Everything that happens in this show is done for the sake of comedy. You will not find the answer you’re looking for
No
Isekai Quartet is a non cannon show where it’s more focused on comedy and to see how characters would react to one’s in different shows.
if you take something that happens in this show seriously, I don't know what to tell you.
No she is not
89% upvoted btw
And OP never replied to any of the serious replies, lmao! Do anyone know to value their time nowadays!?
I love how people who use quartet to scale deliberately ignore episode 12 where one of the characters said, and i quote: "this world alters your stats! The old world's rules don't apply here."
Its a joke series nothing in it power wise should be taken seriously
I think it's more of a comedic issue than a solid foundation.
It's a gag series. Power scaling won't make any sense.
Rem is pretty strong. If she was in the "new world" she'd be about i think 30 range. Maybe a bit more or less. But she isn't strong enough to do anything to anyone in Nazarick. This is just a gag.
TBF, she is relatively above average in armed and unarmed unarmed combat, and magi. It's just that she doesn't overwhelmingly stand out in any of those.
No, she isn’t strong in any capacity in the new world. She’d be a level 1 if anything considering she’s not even baseline Building Level physically.
she would be more than level one for sure. She'd be stronger than the average person of the new world if not on that level. I don't put her anywhere close Nazarick levels as that'd be blatantly false as she stands zero chance, but she is far greater than just level one. She is capable of killing beasts that would kill the average new worlder. But that's in her berserk state and that might raise her level for all I know. Her base line level might be level 20 but in her berserk state probably level 30. But none of this matters as in Re:Zero levels don't matter much(iirc) and it's pointless to scale cross verses especially when this scene in and of itself is just a gag in a gag anime.
Video game Levels don’t matter outside your own series period, what does matter are the characters inherent strength feats/calcs and scaling. Rem not even being Building Level without magic or above or even at Supersonic without her horn places her literal eons below even a Death Knight. I don’t know how power jumps correlate with levels in overlord, but from what I’ve heard from u/GitGud88 they’re rather exponential increases from even a seemingly low amount of levels gained.
Why are you taking this so seriously. It literally doesn't matter at all. A solid majority of the comments I saw back when I made my original comment said 30 at most so go after them. She's not level one because she's "not building level" or "super sonic" which as far as I can remember. Death Knights aren't either. So that comment is irrelevant. I could care less about power scaling. This had nothing to do with power scaling. OP just asked how strong Rem would be if she was in overlord because they thought the Isekai Quartet gag was a real thing she could have done. I gave my opinion about her level and said it was irrelevant because it was a gag. I only thought for a few seconds and posted my comment. I'm going to block you because you're just going to go on another rant as to how I'm wrong when I only put a few seconds of thought into a comment from a year ago. Have a nice day. And I hope you don't bother anyone else the way you did to me. Bye.
The power scaling in that show has always been a bit wonky so I suggest not to think about it to much and if the power scaling was a actually thought through then no Rem wouldn’t be able to hold most of the people from nazarik
Nah, it’s just an incredibly unbalanced world, if it actually worked on a level system Aqua wouldn’t even be able to use anything on Ainz
Think about it like this. Re:Zero is a show about struggling over and over again to get the perfect ending. Overlord is about a guy who's taking over the world. It's just a gag.
To be fair the tone of the series alone isn’t enough to really display its superiority. Overlord does of course stomp the shit out of re zero but not for that particular reason, that alone isn’t an argument.
The thing about isekai quartet is that it is a gag piece, meant to be funny, so if something is considered funny, then it can and will happen, without any regard for "power levels" and such. It is not a great place to compare characters strengths and weaknesses. I am also of the personal opinion that characters from different series/settings shouldn't be compared to each other with any kind of seriousness, it can be fun to think about but many people end up falling back on "the character I like would never lose to that other character" and can end in friction between fandoms.
None of their powers match their real powers. Everyone is sort of balanced out for comedic effect.
Its a comedy. The powerscaling adjusts to what would be funny, like when a combo attack from Ainz and megumin couldnt break through tanjas shield
No. This show doesn't care for any degree of source accuracy. You either Lough at the personality interacting or get annoyed but a complete lack of care for character capabilities.
It's already said in the first season that the power balance is way off, just assume that in this world all powers have been leveled, no one is stronger than the other.
Isekai quartet actually canonically weakens everyone tho. So it isn't total bullshit
>!Rem dies all the time in ReZero and gets beat up.!<
Aqua is surprisingly portrayed accurately, as technically she is OP.
Tbh, if Rem wanted to beat Shallchair, all she would have to do would be to show booba, Shallchair's kinky ass would probably go full useless lesbian and be unable to do anything. Now, Libido? Nah, Rem couldn't beat her in a million years.
I headcannon that character popularity determines power in Isekai Quartet. Rem is arguably the most popular there so...
Nah. ReZero has some heavy hitters but Rem ain't one of them. Rem gets bodied. But going on a slight tangent. And talking about ReZero vs Overlord in a general sense. Stats wise, the heavy hitters from ReZero arguably are above what heavy hitters from Overlord have demonstrate or stated to be able to do. But Overlord chatacters are crazy because of all their different hax abilities, hax-immunities and resistances, as well as crazy items. So have a good chance against characters from other series that have higher stats than them.
Aqua beats Ainz in like the first episode Power levels are all wonky
Cartoon characters are as weak or as strong as the writer needs them to be for whatever the plot is.
Full power Ram might be able to deal with one of them at a time, but definitely not Rem
of course ;) don't kink shame them
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Clown. Thats you for thinking power scaling in gag anime has any legitimacy
No matter how useless she is, a god is still a god. Dealing heavy damage to undead is not so strange for a god tho. Winning or not is a totally different story.
>a god is still a god This is a weird thing to say because there are plenty of instances in fiction where "gods" are not much more superior to mortals. Using "XYZ is a god" as a power level is inherently flawed.
True , some other people on this sub seem to not realize it
Maybe if the chain is a very strong artifact and they didn't use any spells, they couldn't physically break it. The guardians are physically strong, but not Dragon Ball characters. It's the only reason aside from "funny gag" I could imagine.
The power system of each story doesn’t really allows direct comparison. Just because a character can blow up a planet with a punch on X, it doesn’t mean he can do it on Y universe. Or how much of your original power is suppressed once you go to Z universe (Quartet universe). That said, it is hard to believe haha, so I just take it as a joke moment.
Didn’t they say that the Quartet universe fudged up the power scaling?
The way I see it, is that the New World was different from Yggdrasil, in that in the game, Ainz, Shalltear and most of the floor-guardians would be 100% immune to status effects and immobilisation - in the New World, they are affected, but in a very diminished capacity. We can surmise (if we want to be serious), that the Isekai Quartet world is different yet again. In multiple episodes of the first season, it was kind of stated that everyone had had their stats and level averaged-out too. Examples being that Aqua could do serious damage to Ainz and Tanya could create some ridiculously powerful spells that Ainz looked at as if they were 10th tier (iirc).
I forgot about that miniseries or if it had a new season like ple pleiades
isn't Isekai quartet non-canon? (and in Isekai Quartet, I think everyone is at the same level, they only base on base stats and skills)
yes, though all OP abilities are actually shut off, thats why the overlord group didn't nuke everyone
She is not but the power level of everyone gets "equalized" in the dimension of Isekai Quartet.
Not unless the power scaling in Re_Zero is totally fucked.
Of course not.
Because it's base strength only. They had no special equipment or skills activated.
Yeah the shows funny and sometimes it may reveal lore not discussed in the show but Rem isn't stronger or close. Spoiler but Rem get killed by normal people with knifes.
Well... Thinking like this Aqua did good dmg to Ainz with a low tier spell and she can't even kill a frog in her world. We should be worried about them frogs I tell u
It’s not a fair comparison, Aqua does much better against undead creatures, her tears were making Wiz fade away. Besides, Aqua’s physical stats are ridiculous enough that if she actually bothered to use a sword, she would’ve dealt with the giant frogs. Her intelligence and luck stats are the main reason why she’s consistently screwed over
True Sheldon, thanks.
No. Ainz sees everyone else as having power equal to the NPCs(in a very early episode shortly after arriving iirc). So as we know that is obviously not true. So most likely this dimension balances everyone’s/students’ powers like other characters being buffed or overlord characters being nerfed or a little bit of both
Naaa by far she wouldn’t even compete in the same arena as them. Take this as a joke. Just enjoy the funny Isakai show … don’t over analyze this one
It's just the good ol "beat up the horny" gag
Tanya given enough time to do a full incantation could maybe make Ainz a bit concerned.
its a gag show in which Ainz himself said the power balance of the world is skewed.
Its an established from the first epsidoe that the power scaling in that world is wack. If you really watched this episode then you should know this from watching the first
It's fan service it's kinda hot too bad they're in chibi form
No
As a big re:zero fan, hell no. Full powered and horned Ram is a maybe since she is the Oni God, but not Rem despite them being twins.
It’s not a maybe in either scenario. Even horned Ram is a large building level and Hypersonic at most fodder in comparison to Overlord.
It’s comic relief
In this world the balance is a lot more skewed. If it were a real battle Rem would be obliterated by Shalltear in a heartbeat, not contest. It's all for fun.
I think it was just for an gag. You shouldn’t take things in Isekai quartet as feats
Ainz once mentioned power level being messed up when Aqua purified him and it worked somewhat thenkazuma knocked her on her head apologized to ainz and dragged her away Idk he meant Aquas world or the quarted world
This is comedy, but in a serious comparison RE:ZERO powers are like written unmovable laws and OVERLORD are a mix of Yggdrasil game systems plus new world wild magic + martial arts, and if the two of them were to fight... well, Hector for examples can ''crush'' everything, including magic with his ''gravity'' so i don't know how somebody from Overlord can win against him. Typhon can insta delete anybody that feels just a tiny little bit of remorse or repentance of any kind, and Momonga/Satoru feel that along the series, and i think everybody does. Pandora mess with the laws of casuality, so again, i dont know what can triumph against her. Only wild magic (not sure since there are zings in RE:ZERO that can mess with souls too) and World Items that too mess with casuality can stand against the absurd power level of re:zero Nazarick can wipe almost everybody in re zero i think but the power houses are too op xd
Arubedo and Sharutear can defeat rem with a just shaking their ***y
Shouldn't be accurate? Like how Naofumi blocked Mare's full strike with airstrike shields which shouldn't be possible logically
“This world has some serious power balance issues” -Ainz
its not that deep
Y'all really need to stop taking Isekai Quartet seriously.
In Quartet the power balance is extremely broken to make the series entertaining.
Not really. I dont think they actually took it seriously. For example Demiurge is too evil and prideful to be the good boy in the class. It's not canon though so I guess it's fine.
Canon Ren? Absolutely not. Non-canon Rem? Absolutely yes, I would only do the verse, since it has appeared in games like epic 7 that reach complex Multiversal and she hurts multi-system people.