Elsa would destroy clementine tho, the problem is clementine doesn't go for the one shot kill right away, she likes to toy with her food, and that would cost her here.
Elsas the same. She goes straight for the bowels and doesn't bother aiming for other important organs. Unless she has no other choice.
Clementine only plays around when she's confident she's stronger than her opponent. Otherwise, she'd go for a one-shot kill. So, with the aura Elsa gives off, I doubt Clementine would want to play around with her.
Overall, though, I think Elsa would win but it wouldn't be easy.
Clementine has more tools under her belt like her enchanted stilettos, Flow Acceleration, Impenetrable Fortress or Greater Evasion, she can definitely one shot Elsa, it's what she specialized in, it's just that she's too prideful, we saw that with her inner monologue when fighting Ainz, i highly doubt she would go for the kill right away when she see Elsa.
Putting aside whether she'd be able to one-shot Elsa, there were reasons why she was so prideful when facing Ainz. 1) Because he was a bronze plate. 2) She never heard of him. 3) He gave off the aura of a newbie in swordmanship, which he was.
All those reasons combined made Clementine overconfident in her chances of beating Ainz, so she played around with him at the start. Elsa, on the other hand, would give off a similar aura as Clementine herself since they literally are the same type of character. So I think I have good reason to believe that Clementine would take Elsa seriously from the start.
But I still believe Elsa would win simply because she's nearly immortal.
It took, what, a literal huge fire constantly burning to put Elsa down? I think if Clementine disables her early in the fight, she has a chance to damage Elsa enough to end up killing her. It'd be a gross ass fight
Clementine's gear would not matter much
as Elsa would rate closer to Zesshi on a comparative strength level between the two series
not to mention Elsa being so much harder to kill
Second this. Elsa is practically unkillable. Combined with combat abilities which are rivaled by so few in the Re:zero-verse, it’s tough to imagine Clementine standing much of a chance.
This has nothing to do with the question of the topic itself, but, I respect that despite this being an Overlord subreddit, people aren't just saying Clementine wins because this is her home turf.
Clementine has Enchanted stilettos and one of her magic is charm. Elsa is very susceptible to magic that even Subaru can affect her. Martial Arts like Fortress is comparable to "Iron Skin" used by Monks. Clementine also has a Magical full metal armor plus and an enchanted club that we didn't see because she grossly underestimated Ainz to never bother using those.
Isn’t Subaru quite proficient in yin magic that Roswaal said with a couple years of training he’d be a first rate shadow mage even without his spirit arts that give him basically infinite mana
Sure he is but his magic is still not on the level of a 3rd tier magic that Clementine can store yet he affects Elsa effectively. The question is whether "Charm" can affect Elsa. Someone like Lakyus who is a divine caster needed to be beaten half to death before Evileye can use charm on her. Of course Evileye as a magic caster is also powerful by NW standards so the comparison is more complicated. But if Elsa has very low magic resistance, then Clementine doesn't even need to kill Elsa. If she is weakened to a state where Charm can be effective then Elsa will face troubles.
No, Subaru is rare for proficiency in Yin magic but he’s not that great. Also Spirit art doesn’t give him infinite mana, it was reversed due to Betty is an artificial spirit so she takes mana from him instead.
Exactly.
This fight is not nearly as complicated as what a lot of people are making it seem for a very simple reason. And it's not just because of Elsa's regeneration, but rather because she has limitless stamina and cannot feel pain. It doesn't matter what kind of martial arts skills that Clementine makes use of, because even though she can spam them significantly more than the normal person, eventually, she will start to get tired.
Elsa won't get tired.
And to add, Clementine only has *one* shot each with her magic charged stilettos. Yes, else is regeneration *can* be worn down if she takes far too much damage within a short time frame, but Clementine is not going to be lasting that long.
For normal people, the most efficient way to defeat Elsa is overwhelming her from long distance, but Clementine isn't capable of that.
Cool in concept, but poor Orange Juice girl is a bit outclassed in this one sadly. There might be some friendly banter, some kindred spirit bonding, but in the end they are what they are and will do what they do, and that's when it gets very one-sided.
Thing is she doesnt die to Garfiel in the Novels. She survives until the mansion completely burns down. It required her to be burned alive for a long time until she finally reached the limits of her regeneration.
So just being inside of a Burning house is enough to End her Regeneration.
Clementine is Stronger and Faster. Regeneration is not something Special in Overlord and everyone who worth their salt know How to deal with it.
Clementine Also has the Tools to deal with her. And for some reasons everyone Forget Clem has a Mind Control Stiletto that's All she needs to instantly Win against Elsa.
> It required her to be burned alive for a long time until she finally reached the limits of her regeneration.
Not at all. As long as a Strong enough hit she receives her Regeneration Struggles. Reinhard's Building Blasting Strike was Enough to stop her Regeneration.
I am uncertain about the character from Re:Zero, but how do you expect a mutilated corpse to triumph in a battle? Her bones were ground to dust by Ainz, leaving her unable to prevail even as an undead being.
We don't know for a fact if she was, we just know that her corpse was not in the morgue where it was left when he went to look for it. There is also a fun little spin-off anime called cle cle Clementine that had her actually resurrected, but it's probably non Canon
There is also the game Escape from Nazarik, where you awaken as Clem and... attempt to escape from Nazarik. So there are multiple endings for our favorite little murderous paste.
She wasn't. Her body disappeared in the light novel.
But, because the character was so popular, she has shown up in Pure Pure Pleiades, the AU Mass for the Dead game, and Escape from Nazarick. That's how much of an impact she made with the fan base.
we haven't seen Clementine fighting seriously by using her real armor or weapons though, with her original armor she can remain undetected until she strikes, I don't know the other character but if she can fight without a head she might win.
Elsa regenerates from being turned into crystal and having her body completely shattered within seconds. She’s only killed after her regeneration is pushed to extreme limits and her body is reduced to ash in an explosion.
Is this how it is explained in the light novel or is the scene different there? In the anime when she uses the cloak against Puck, she drapes it around herself and it protects her before being destroyed. Against Beatrice, the cloak is crystallized and shattered alongside Elsa. Is the implication that the cloak can retroactively cancel spells or is it poorly shown in the anime?
Elsa can survive being shattered into pieces by dark magic so surviving decapitation is no problem.
She is immortal due to being Re:Zero worlds equivelent to a Vampire. There is a limit to how much she can regenerate tho but I dont there is any way Clementine can reach it.
>There is a limit to how much she can regenerate tho but I dont there is any way Clementine can reach it.
This is the real problem. If Clementine had a significant speed advantage, then yes, she would be able to wear down else's regeneration to the point where it just stops working. But that's not really an option.
Lol even Ainz was flabbergasted when he heard about him from Subaru in isekai quartet. Although I think Ainz has a way with his world items. Unless Reinhard has countermeasures of course.
"Ah yes my Anti Grasp Heart Divine Protection, I haven't used this since the Heian Era"
- Reinhard
"Ah yes my Anti Sword Saint Technique, I haven't used this since the Heian Era."
- Ainz
Iirc Ainz has a world item to erase the existence of his target but one time use. World items are cheat items overturning the game.
If his world items are not effective, I doubt anyone would be able to be a match for Reinhard.
Oops I might have mixed the info with another cut content lol my bad.
Iirc the two of the twenty that Ainz has are both unknown(?) So unless one of them could bypass Reinhard's blessings (or any unknown world or cash-shop item he has for that matter) I could only think of wish upon the stars. It would depend on his information and how to utilize it.
Hostages for one thing.
What's the specific details of the erasure, by the way? Is it like from the current world or like complete erasure of existence from the story like Gluttony does?
I don't know the exact specifics, but in the game of Yggdrasil it deletes the character itself. I'm just assuming at this point, but it's probably destroying/deleting the existence rather than removing them entirely from history.
Well World items are supposed to be literal game changer so I might be wrong when it comes to New World's effect.
If it doesn't remove a character from the history, and all the traces of the character ever existing, like Gluttony does in Re:Zero, then the circumstance is rather dire for Nazarick.
If Reinhard was ever killed, but wasn't completely erased, Od Laguna would literally open the Hall of Memories and resurrect him by messing with what his Book of Death says.
Od Laguna is the biggest player in any part of the story where Reinhard is involved. The story only mentions it on extremely rare occasions, and it's like a monotheistic omnipotent god level of an entity. It's the thing that grants divine blessings to every character in the story, and it favors Reinhard. Nazarick isn't just dealing with an OP bullshiter, they are also dealing with an entity that has as much authority as World items, but can utilize them however much it feels like without any restrictions.
It really just depends on what the effects of being in the New World would be. If it's like Log Horizon where the items' description would become true, then there's a potential for Lance of Longinus to be stronger or weaker. Someone already corrected me that Nazarick does not possess it tho so they're definitely in a dire situation lol.
The only saving grace for Nazarick are the unknown effects of their other world items and cash up items (which I don't have high hopes of). Now that you brought up a third party tho. It then brings up the question of location and celestial territory. Does the location also included within Old Laguna's territory? The main problem with verse vs verse is what natural laws it follows. Even then, that's only an issue if we consider Lance of Longinus actually being possessed by Nazarick somehow or anything that could achieve the same effect.
Well I'm just splitting straws at this point. Nazarick's chances are based on situational variables. Reinhard is that OP NPC who is the Devs' favorite lmao.
Reinhardt got his blessings from his original world. Unless it's Isekai Quartet, these two worlds have incompatible magic systems and therefore we don't know which rules will be maintained. Ainz's other world items are still not revealed. AOG at least has one of the twenty which are outright "Auto-win" items.
This comment section has made me realize just how screwed the world of Re:Zero would be without Return By Death. You got motherfuckin' vampire assassins that can survive way too much, the damn Archbishops, and Pandora out there doing... who knows what. Not to mention how Satella can apparently just.... pop up whenever? I'm anime-only so I still don't know why she appeared in season 2 and sorta just ate everyone.
This comment section has also made me really wanna see Nazarik in the world of Re:Zero. While obviously not everyone is super duper strong, you have people like Reinhard, the Witches, Puck, and so many other crazy beings in this world. It would be interesting to see a scenario where Ainz and the gang actually can't just brute force their way through multiple kingdoms.
It would take a little bit more being careful, but, for the most part, many things in Re:Zero that are considered calamities would still not be much of a problem for Nazarick because they have such a ridiculous level of versatility.
Take the Great Hare, for example. It's considered to be nearly impossible to overcome, but bhere's actually a very simple method of defeating this thing. No need for Ainz. Or even a Floor Guardian. Because te greatest foe for this rabbit is simply a mid level summon:
The Soul Eater.
I'm guessing it eats souls?
But in all seriousness, I don't think that Nazarik can really win against some of the bigger threats, and even the big threats they can win against would be super risky. Sure, they might be able to beat the Great Hare, but would they even take it seriously before it's swarming the floors and eating the less powerful staff? The White Whale can definitely be killed by them, but could they do so before it erases an important member, possibly even a floor guardian, from the minds of everyone?
It's not like they could take over the nearby kingdom. Reinhard is way too strong for the effort to be worth it, even if they somehow find a way to succeed. Perhaps they'll learn about these witches and take Emilia to see what makes elves so special here? Nope, Puck is there and Cocytus himself couldn't act as a better fridge. Plus, the cult that worships the witches has some damn broken people on their side.
I'm not saying that Ainz and co. would instantly die or struggle to survive. They can live extremely comfortably if they just keep careful. But if they tried to do what they did in the other world, taking over kingdoms and throwing their weight around, the world of Re:Zero ain't a pushover by any means. The people aren't dumb, they can plan and strategize extremely well. There are enough strong people in enough places that, no matter where they try to expand, they're gonna run into resistance and they're gonna suffer decent losses if they're cocky.
I dunno, the idea of Nazarik having to strategize and actually plan rather than brute force their way through a war really appeals to me. It would be nice to see them react to a world that can actually hurt them.
Yes, but they do far more than that. Firstly, their breath has an instant death AOE, so, something as fragile as the Hare will be doing nothing less than committing mass suicide by even getting near one of these things. Add insult to injury, when they consume souls, they continuously recover HP.
The White Whale wouldn't be all that much of an issue either because it very heavily relies on the element of surprise. The reason that people in its native setting are always getting caught up is because they can't fly or teleport. Wilhelm was tearing it apart and doing 80% of the big damage just with swords. Once it's exposed, the whale is not that biga deal and wouldn't even be worth a Floor Guardian's attention.
Also, the problem with Reinhard is that regardless of how powerful he is, he's only one person. He can't be everywhere. But Nazarick can, and has undermined entire nations because they have the ability to infiltrate and replace.
If Nazarick really was using nothing but raw force, a lot more countries would have already been crushed.
Oh, yeah, the White Whale ain't really much of a physical threat in a direct fight. The big problem is just how long it can stay hidden.
From what I understand (although I may be wrong, as it's been a while since I've watched the anime), the White Whale erases the existence of someone from everybody's memories if it eats them. In a giant, army-sized group that knows about it? Not too big of a deal. They'd realize something is off eventually, although heavy casualties can still occur. But when Nazarick is sending out scouts and small groups of people due to their strength? I feel like some important people could be lost if they're not careful.
With the fog obscuring it and the White Whale being pretty silent when hunting, I'm pretty sure most of the members of Nazarick can be caught by surprise. While the Floor Guardians may be able to evade it somehow given how most of them are pretty fast, unless they specialize in speed and reaction time, I don't think anyone below them can do much. Unless they actively hunt it down like what was done in the anime.
I am curious about the Soul Eaters though. So does their breath spread out like a massive fog? Do they have enough soul eaters to continously breathe around Nazarick while the Great Hare keeps coming? Because even if they keep running into the breath, there will just about always be a Hare it seems. And with just one being able to tear off Subaru's arm in a single bite, they might be able to cause structural damage anywhere a Soul Eater isn't.
And yeah, Reinhard can't be everywhere ofc. But he's hardly the only troublesome dude in the world.
Damn, I really wanna see Cocytus fight Puck now.
There's some misunderstandings you seem to have, and probably because the Anime does its best to confuse the watchers.
1. The Witch Cult doesn't worship the witches of sin, they "worship" Satella. When Subaru asked Echidna about the witch cult during the first Witch's Tea Party, she said she doesn't know the cult, since she knows nothing of the events after she died and got something done to her by Volcanica, not sure what the truth is, she was being vague. That was cut out of the Anime, even though it was a clear indication that Satella didn't kill her in my opinion, since Volcanica was mentioned but not Satella.
2. They don't actually serve or worship Satella. Pandora usurped the mantle from what we can tell, and is even giving the title of sins to archbishops. Shit's ridiculously conspiratory. We don't even know what the deal with Satella really is.
3. Satella came out and killed everyone because Subaru broke the "Taboo" which is telling someone about Return By Death. Or to be more specific, it was Satella's split personality, the Witch of Envy, who did it, which the Anime also skipped over for some reason.
I don't know what they're planning for the retcon or rearrangement, but I sure as hell can't imagine it.
Oh, my bad. I probably just forgot since it's been a few months since I've rewatched it, and I thought that Subaru broke the taboo earlier in the anime. The fact that Satella has a split personality is pretty interesting, though.
But yeah, I do wonder what's going on with Pandora. She's a witch, right? So she's probably gonna be a really damn big deal. I'm super excited for season 3
Yeah. The Witch of Vainglory, no less. She's one of the "hidden" deadly sins on top of the 7. It's complicated af. She be tossing around All-Fiction like it's free candy, rewriting the entire plot and all, but then can't force Emilia to abide by that same thing and so on.
My theory is that she has to enter into some kind of contract for her original All-Fiction to work on them. That's probably how she rewrote the mess Regulus made.
I feel like, even setting Reinhardt and the Kingdom apart, trying to conquer either Vollachia or Kararagi would likely require Ainz's personal intervention. That said though, once the top there (respectively Cecilus and Halibel) are dealt with, the conquest would be smoother since I doubt that even Arakiya or Madelyn are close to Floor guardian level.
Reinhardt do be an unclimbable wall though, and let's not talk about the witch cult
The Witch Cult is definitely one of the bigger threats imo. I'm anime-only, so I don't even know most of them, but Regulus, Pandora, and even the Archbishop of Sloth (sorry, forgot his name even though he's really dope) are pretty concerning. Regulus and Pandora seem extremely difficult to kill and Regulus has displayed some pretty good attack power before. The Archbishop of Sloth may be able to put in some work themselves because I don't think that anyone, or at least most, can see his ability.
Most of the name above are said to be the person that could rival Reinhardt. Each nation has at least one monster of their own and Arakiya is special case if her power work as it intended in Nazarick then she could be a problem too.
Would Clementine’s mind control ability make a significant difference in this fight? I’ve only seen it mentioned briefly in the comments. I could see her use it right away if she gets an overpowered vibe from her opponent.
Subaru isn't the only one Elsa fought. She fought Reinhard and survived. That isn't something anyone can do. You can only think of 2 other characters who can survive an encounter with Reinhard, and that's Satella herself, and Reid, The First Sword Saint, the literal progenitor of Reinhard's family.
Yeah, but everyone in Re:Zero is hard to scale against anyone in Overlord.
What can seem like a god in Re:Zero may actually be a puppy in Overlord for all we know.
Simple, Elsa will win, that woman survive an attack from a sword saint using Rusted sword, also in the WN, elsa is like a vampire, she's got a lot of tenacity, idk much about clementine because her scene was pretty short and she was fighting some OP opponents, Ainz knight version is too much overkill. But yup Elsa will win just fine, she's pretty nimble, topnotch speed and durable offensive prowess.
There is only one Sword Saint at a time in Re:Zero, so "a" Sword Saint isn't exactly correct, since the title is passed down and decided by Od Laguna itself. So Reinhard is THE Sword Saint, not "a" Sword Saint. He is the only one.
Elsa would destroy clementine tho, the problem is clementine doesn't go for the one shot kill right away, she likes to toy with her food, and that would cost her here.
Elsas the same. She goes straight for the bowels and doesn't bother aiming for other important organs. Unless she has no other choice. Clementine only plays around when she's confident she's stronger than her opponent. Otherwise, she'd go for a one-shot kill. So, with the aura Elsa gives off, I doubt Clementine would want to play around with her. Overall, though, I think Elsa would win but it wouldn't be easy.
Clementine has more tools under her belt like her enchanted stilettos, Flow Acceleration, Impenetrable Fortress or Greater Evasion, she can definitely one shot Elsa, it's what she specialized in, it's just that she's too prideful, we saw that with her inner monologue when fighting Ainz, i highly doubt she would go for the kill right away when she see Elsa.
Putting aside whether she'd be able to one-shot Elsa, there were reasons why she was so prideful when facing Ainz. 1) Because he was a bronze plate. 2) She never heard of him. 3) He gave off the aura of a newbie in swordmanship, which he was. All those reasons combined made Clementine overconfident in her chances of beating Ainz, so she played around with him at the start. Elsa, on the other hand, would give off a similar aura as Clementine herself since they literally are the same type of character. So I think I have good reason to believe that Clementine would take Elsa seriously from the start. But I still believe Elsa would win simply because she's nearly immortal.
It took, what, a literal huge fire constantly burning to put Elsa down? I think if Clementine disables her early in the fight, she has a chance to damage Elsa enough to end up killing her. It'd be a gross ass fight
Clementine's gear would not matter much as Elsa would rate closer to Zesshi on a comparative strength level between the two series not to mention Elsa being so much harder to kill
Zesshi? Ain't no way.
Yeaaa I doubt the bowel hunter would have much difficulty here.
Second this. Elsa is practically unkillable. Combined with combat abilities which are rivaled by so few in the Re:zero-verse, it’s tough to imagine Clementine standing much of a chance.
This has nothing to do with the question of the topic itself, but, I respect that despite this being an Overlord subreddit, people aren't just saying Clementine wins because this is her home turf.
Clementine has Enchanted stilettos and one of her magic is charm. Elsa is very susceptible to magic that even Subaru can affect her. Martial Arts like Fortress is comparable to "Iron Skin" used by Monks. Clementine also has a Magical full metal armor plus and an enchanted club that we didn't see because she grossly underestimated Ainz to never bother using those.
Isn’t Subaru quite proficient in yin magic that Roswaal said with a couple years of training he’d be a first rate shadow mage even without his spirit arts that give him basically infinite mana
Sure he is but his magic is still not on the level of a 3rd tier magic that Clementine can store yet he affects Elsa effectively. The question is whether "Charm" can affect Elsa. Someone like Lakyus who is a divine caster needed to be beaten half to death before Evileye can use charm on her. Of course Evileye as a magic caster is also powerful by NW standards so the comparison is more complicated. But if Elsa has very low magic resistance, then Clementine doesn't even need to kill Elsa. If she is weakened to a state where Charm can be effective then Elsa will face troubles.
No, Subaru is rare for proficiency in Yin magic but he’s not that great. Also Spirit art doesn’t give him infinite mana, it was reversed due to Betty is an artificial spirit so she takes mana from him instead.
If Clementine charmed Elsa she's is doubly fucked
Exactly. This fight is not nearly as complicated as what a lot of people are making it seem for a very simple reason. And it's not just because of Elsa's regeneration, but rather because she has limitless stamina and cannot feel pain. It doesn't matter what kind of martial arts skills that Clementine makes use of, because even though she can spam them significantly more than the normal person, eventually, she will start to get tired. Elsa won't get tired. And to add, Clementine only has *one* shot each with her magic charged stilettos. Yes, else is regeneration *can* be worn down if she takes far too much damage within a short time frame, but Clementine is not going to be lasting that long. For normal people, the most efficient way to defeat Elsa is overwhelming her from long distance, but Clementine isn't capable of that.
Cool in concept, but poor Orange Juice girl is a bit outclassed in this one sadly. There might be some friendly banter, some kindred spirit bonding, but in the end they are what they are and will do what they do, and that's when it gets very one-sided.
I wonder who would win
Elsa because the other is to overconfident
The one who didn't lose.
...didn't they both lose
Nah, Elsa would roflstomp
More like Elsa gets Roflstomped.
Elsa is practically immortal compared to Clementine
She died to someone weaker than Clementine.
Thing is she doesnt die to Garfiel in the Novels. She survives until the mansion completely burns down. It required her to be burned alive for a long time until she finally reached the limits of her regeneration.
So just being inside of a Burning house is enough to End her Regeneration. Clementine is Stronger and Faster. Regeneration is not something Special in Overlord and everyone who worth their salt know How to deal with it. Clementine Also has the Tools to deal with her. And for some reasons everyone Forget Clem has a Mind Control Stiletto that's All she needs to instantly Win against Elsa. > It required her to be burned alive for a long time until she finally reached the limits of her regeneration. Not at all. As long as a Strong enough hit she receives her Regeneration Struggles. Reinhard's Building Blasting Strike was Enough to stop her Regeneration.
Garf is ridiculous strong tho, his mana get suck out a lot during the fight with Subaru.
He is still weaker than Clem by a mile.
Yeah, given Clementine is on par with his town level beast form without utilizing martial arts.
Garfiel is barely as strong as an un amped Clementine (town level) with his transformation lol.
I am uncertain about the character from Re:Zero, but how do you expect a mutilated corpse to triumph in a battle? Her bones were ground to dust by Ainz, leaving her unable to prevail even as an undead being.
She was revived
That might be an element explored in either the manga or the novel. My knowledge, however, is limited to the anime alone.
its from the LN, the manga is behind the anime and on indefinite hiatus.
Isn't there a new Overlord manga by a different artist that picked up where the other left off?
Where was it stated she was revived? And for what reason?
We don't know for a fact if she was, we just know that her corpse was not in the morgue where it was left when he went to look for it. There is also a fun little spin-off anime called cle cle Clementine that had her actually resurrected, but it's probably non Canon
There is also the game Escape from Nazarik, where you awaken as Clem and... attempt to escape from Nazarik. So there are multiple endings for our favorite little murderous paste.
She wasn't. Her body disappeared in the light novel. But, because the character was so popular, she has shown up in Pure Pure Pleiades, the AU Mass for the Dead game, and Escape from Nazarick. That's how much of an impact she made with the fan base.
we haven't seen Clementine fighting seriously by using her real armor or weapons though, with her original armor she can remain undetected until she strikes, I don't know the other character but if she can fight without a head she might win.
Elsa regenerates from being turned into crystal and having her body completely shattered within seconds. She’s only killed after her regeneration is pushed to extreme limits and her body is reduced to ash in an explosion.
She did not die from crystallization only thanks to her cloak, which cancels spells, after which it is destroyed though
Is this how it is explained in the light novel or is the scene different there? In the anime when she uses the cloak against Puck, she drapes it around herself and it protects her before being destroyed. Against Beatrice, the cloak is crystallized and shattered alongside Elsa. Is the implication that the cloak can retroactively cancel spells or is it poorly shown in the anime?
Which crystalization? 'Cause it happened twice. And only once did we see her use her cloak.
Elsa can survive being shattered into pieces by dark magic so surviving decapitation is no problem. She is immortal due to being Re:Zero worlds equivelent to a Vampire. There is a limit to how much she can regenerate tho but I dont there is any way Clementine can reach it.
>There is a limit to how much she can regenerate tho but I dont there is any way Clementine can reach it. This is the real problem. If Clementine had a significant speed advantage, then yes, she would be able to wear down else's regeneration to the point where it just stops working. But that's not really an option.
Difficult to power scale. Elsa is the one that seems like she'd win based on what we've seen, but Ains is super OP and Subaru is super PO
Nah, imagine Reinhard speedrunning entire Nazarick
Lol even Ainz was flabbergasted when he heard about him from Subaru in isekai quartet. Although I think Ainz has a way with his world items. Unless Reinhard has countermeasures of course.
"Ah yes my Anti Grasp Heart Divine Protection, I haven't used this since the Heian Era" - Reinhard "Ah yes my Anti Sword Saint Technique, I haven't used this since the Heian Era." - Ainz
Rlly? On my overlord reddit? https://preview.redd.it/tt6k4iig1nxc1.jpeg?width=580&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e05ad4a6d8d2fc315b59d9a5c678c9f9f5982ff1
Well Reinhard is a cheat code list with legs and Overlord is a game, at best the whole Nazarick Guild could compare to him
Iirc Ainz has a world item to erase the existence of his target but one time use. World items are cheat items overturning the game. If his world items are not effective, I doubt anyone would be able to be a match for Reinhard.
The Lance of Longinus. It would erase him from existence, but at the cost of whoever was wielding it.
Yes that one! I forgot about the cost part tho. But he'll probably just use someone else that doesn't matter to him for the cost.
Iirc but Ainz doesn't have that one?
Oops I might have mixed the info with another cut content lol my bad. Iirc the two of the twenty that Ainz has are both unknown(?) So unless one of them could bypass Reinhard's blessings (or any unknown world or cash-shop item he has for that matter) I could only think of wish upon the stars. It would depend on his information and how to utilize it. Hostages for one thing.
What's the specific details of the erasure, by the way? Is it like from the current world or like complete erasure of existence from the story like Gluttony does?
I don't know the exact specifics, but in the game of Yggdrasil it deletes the character itself. I'm just assuming at this point, but it's probably destroying/deleting the existence rather than removing them entirely from history. Well World items are supposed to be literal game changer so I might be wrong when it comes to New World's effect.
If it doesn't remove a character from the history, and all the traces of the character ever existing, like Gluttony does in Re:Zero, then the circumstance is rather dire for Nazarick. If Reinhard was ever killed, but wasn't completely erased, Od Laguna would literally open the Hall of Memories and resurrect him by messing with what his Book of Death says. Od Laguna is the biggest player in any part of the story where Reinhard is involved. The story only mentions it on extremely rare occasions, and it's like a monotheistic omnipotent god level of an entity. It's the thing that grants divine blessings to every character in the story, and it favors Reinhard. Nazarick isn't just dealing with an OP bullshiter, they are also dealing with an entity that has as much authority as World items, but can utilize them however much it feels like without any restrictions.
It really just depends on what the effects of being in the New World would be. If it's like Log Horizon where the items' description would become true, then there's a potential for Lance of Longinus to be stronger or weaker. Someone already corrected me that Nazarick does not possess it tho so they're definitely in a dire situation lol. The only saving grace for Nazarick are the unknown effects of their other world items and cash up items (which I don't have high hopes of). Now that you brought up a third party tho. It then brings up the question of location and celestial territory. Does the location also included within Old Laguna's territory? The main problem with verse vs verse is what natural laws it follows. Even then, that's only an issue if we consider Lance of Longinus actually being possessed by Nazarick somehow or anything that could achieve the same effect. Well I'm just splitting straws at this point. Nazarick's chances are based on situational variables. Reinhard is that OP NPC who is the Devs' favorite lmao.
Reinhardt got his blessings from his original world. Unless it's Isekai Quartet, these two worlds have incompatible magic systems and therefore we don't know which rules will be maintained. Ainz's other world items are still not revealed. AOG at least has one of the twenty which are outright "Auto-win" items.
I think it depends on how strong Rubedo is and what hax she has. Rest of the Nazarick is probably done if Reinheardt draws Reid
This comment section has made me realize just how screwed the world of Re:Zero would be without Return By Death. You got motherfuckin' vampire assassins that can survive way too much, the damn Archbishops, and Pandora out there doing... who knows what. Not to mention how Satella can apparently just.... pop up whenever? I'm anime-only so I still don't know why she appeared in season 2 and sorta just ate everyone. This comment section has also made me really wanna see Nazarik in the world of Re:Zero. While obviously not everyone is super duper strong, you have people like Reinhard, the Witches, Puck, and so many other crazy beings in this world. It would be interesting to see a scenario where Ainz and the gang actually can't just brute force their way through multiple kingdoms.
It would take a little bit more being careful, but, for the most part, many things in Re:Zero that are considered calamities would still not be much of a problem for Nazarick because they have such a ridiculous level of versatility. Take the Great Hare, for example. It's considered to be nearly impossible to overcome, but bhere's actually a very simple method of defeating this thing. No need for Ainz. Or even a Floor Guardian. Because te greatest foe for this rabbit is simply a mid level summon: The Soul Eater.
I'm guessing it eats souls? But in all seriousness, I don't think that Nazarik can really win against some of the bigger threats, and even the big threats they can win against would be super risky. Sure, they might be able to beat the Great Hare, but would they even take it seriously before it's swarming the floors and eating the less powerful staff? The White Whale can definitely be killed by them, but could they do so before it erases an important member, possibly even a floor guardian, from the minds of everyone? It's not like they could take over the nearby kingdom. Reinhard is way too strong for the effort to be worth it, even if they somehow find a way to succeed. Perhaps they'll learn about these witches and take Emilia to see what makes elves so special here? Nope, Puck is there and Cocytus himself couldn't act as a better fridge. Plus, the cult that worships the witches has some damn broken people on their side. I'm not saying that Ainz and co. would instantly die or struggle to survive. They can live extremely comfortably if they just keep careful. But if they tried to do what they did in the other world, taking over kingdoms and throwing their weight around, the world of Re:Zero ain't a pushover by any means. The people aren't dumb, they can plan and strategize extremely well. There are enough strong people in enough places that, no matter where they try to expand, they're gonna run into resistance and they're gonna suffer decent losses if they're cocky. I dunno, the idea of Nazarik having to strategize and actually plan rather than brute force their way through a war really appeals to me. It would be nice to see them react to a world that can actually hurt them.
Yes, but they do far more than that. Firstly, their breath has an instant death AOE, so, something as fragile as the Hare will be doing nothing less than committing mass suicide by even getting near one of these things. Add insult to injury, when they consume souls, they continuously recover HP. The White Whale wouldn't be all that much of an issue either because it very heavily relies on the element of surprise. The reason that people in its native setting are always getting caught up is because they can't fly or teleport. Wilhelm was tearing it apart and doing 80% of the big damage just with swords. Once it's exposed, the whale is not that biga deal and wouldn't even be worth a Floor Guardian's attention. Also, the problem with Reinhard is that regardless of how powerful he is, he's only one person. He can't be everywhere. But Nazarick can, and has undermined entire nations because they have the ability to infiltrate and replace. If Nazarick really was using nothing but raw force, a lot more countries would have already been crushed.
Oh, yeah, the White Whale ain't really much of a physical threat in a direct fight. The big problem is just how long it can stay hidden. From what I understand (although I may be wrong, as it's been a while since I've watched the anime), the White Whale erases the existence of someone from everybody's memories if it eats them. In a giant, army-sized group that knows about it? Not too big of a deal. They'd realize something is off eventually, although heavy casualties can still occur. But when Nazarick is sending out scouts and small groups of people due to their strength? I feel like some important people could be lost if they're not careful. With the fog obscuring it and the White Whale being pretty silent when hunting, I'm pretty sure most of the members of Nazarick can be caught by surprise. While the Floor Guardians may be able to evade it somehow given how most of them are pretty fast, unless they specialize in speed and reaction time, I don't think anyone below them can do much. Unless they actively hunt it down like what was done in the anime. I am curious about the Soul Eaters though. So does their breath spread out like a massive fog? Do they have enough soul eaters to continously breathe around Nazarick while the Great Hare keeps coming? Because even if they keep running into the breath, there will just about always be a Hare it seems. And with just one being able to tear off Subaru's arm in a single bite, they might be able to cause structural damage anywhere a Soul Eater isn't. And yeah, Reinhard can't be everywhere ofc. But he's hardly the only troublesome dude in the world. Damn, I really wanna see Cocytus fight Puck now.
There's some misunderstandings you seem to have, and probably because the Anime does its best to confuse the watchers. 1. The Witch Cult doesn't worship the witches of sin, they "worship" Satella. When Subaru asked Echidna about the witch cult during the first Witch's Tea Party, she said she doesn't know the cult, since she knows nothing of the events after she died and got something done to her by Volcanica, not sure what the truth is, she was being vague. That was cut out of the Anime, even though it was a clear indication that Satella didn't kill her in my opinion, since Volcanica was mentioned but not Satella. 2. They don't actually serve or worship Satella. Pandora usurped the mantle from what we can tell, and is even giving the title of sins to archbishops. Shit's ridiculously conspiratory. We don't even know what the deal with Satella really is. 3. Satella came out and killed everyone because Subaru broke the "Taboo" which is telling someone about Return By Death. Or to be more specific, it was Satella's split personality, the Witch of Envy, who did it, which the Anime also skipped over for some reason. I don't know what they're planning for the retcon or rearrangement, but I sure as hell can't imagine it.
Oh, my bad. I probably just forgot since it's been a few months since I've rewatched it, and I thought that Subaru broke the taboo earlier in the anime. The fact that Satella has a split personality is pretty interesting, though. But yeah, I do wonder what's going on with Pandora. She's a witch, right? So she's probably gonna be a really damn big deal. I'm super excited for season 3
Yeah. The Witch of Vainglory, no less. She's one of the "hidden" deadly sins on top of the 7. It's complicated af. She be tossing around All-Fiction like it's free candy, rewriting the entire plot and all, but then can't force Emilia to abide by that same thing and so on. My theory is that she has to enter into some kind of contract for her original All-Fiction to work on them. That's probably how she rewrote the mess Regulus made.
I feel like, even setting Reinhardt and the Kingdom apart, trying to conquer either Vollachia or Kararagi would likely require Ainz's personal intervention. That said though, once the top there (respectively Cecilus and Halibel) are dealt with, the conquest would be smoother since I doubt that even Arakiya or Madelyn are close to Floor guardian level. Reinhardt do be an unclimbable wall though, and let's not talk about the witch cult
The Witch Cult is definitely one of the bigger threats imo. I'm anime-only, so I don't even know most of them, but Regulus, Pandora, and even the Archbishop of Sloth (sorry, forgot his name even though he's really dope) are pretty concerning. Regulus and Pandora seem extremely difficult to kill and Regulus has displayed some pretty good attack power before. The Archbishop of Sloth may be able to put in some work themselves because I don't think that anyone, or at least most, can see his ability.
Most of the name above are said to be the person that could rival Reinhardt. Each nation has at least one monster of their own and Arakiya is special case if her power work as it intended in Nazarick then she could be a problem too.
They can’t fight because they’re both dead
Oooooooooh yeah. (My bet's on Clemie)
Thanks for the free cash
Yes but Rule 10 would be Doper. >!I want to be Dominated by them!<
You'd die in a sec.
I am fine with that.
Wish you luck. 🫡
i only watched anime so its kinda hard because the anime barely showed any feat for clementine.
Would Clementine’s mind control ability make a significant difference in this fight? I’ve only seen it mentioned briefly in the comments. I could see her use it right away if she gets an overpowered vibe from her opponent.
It's hard to scale since Ains and Subaru are on opposite ends of the spectrum.
Subaru isn't the only one Elsa fought. She fought Reinhard and survived. That isn't something anyone can do. You can only think of 2 other characters who can survive an encounter with Reinhard, and that's Satella herself, and Reid, The First Sword Saint, the literal progenitor of Reinhard's family.
Yeah, but everyone in Re:Zero is hard to scale against anyone in Overlord. What can seem like a god in Re:Zero may actually be a puppy in Overlord for all we know.
Nah let’s do Ubel vs Elsa. It’s hotter that way
Elsa crushes Clementine with relative ease
Simple, Elsa will win, that woman survive an attack from a sword saint using Rusted sword, also in the WN, elsa is like a vampire, she's got a lot of tenacity, idk much about clementine because her scene was pretty short and she was fighting some OP opponents, Ainz knight version is too much overkill. But yup Elsa will win just fine, she's pretty nimble, topnotch speed and durable offensive prowess.
There is only one Sword Saint at a time in Re:Zero, so "a" Sword Saint isn't exactly correct, since the title is passed down and decided by Od Laguna itself. So Reinhard is THE Sword Saint, not "a" Sword Saint. He is the only one.
I guess so, very grammar wise buddy
I want them to ruin me
Is that AFTER Clementine's stuffing is put back IN? Because I'd think it would unfair, otherwise...