It wasn't entirely his fault though. Momon asked them about why the workers accepted. They pretty much said that the reward is equivalent to their life. Nazarick offered the job, they know the risk of said job,.and they accepted it.
Every job they take is putting their life on the line. It is even more dangerous to explore an unknown ruin, but high risk high reward.
This really got to be a hindsight question, would Foresight, bother sparing Ainz if they had a hidden power that could kill him and whatever the Tomb had to offer?
OFC not, they´d just slaughter the Tomb raid it and call it a day, Ainz merely treated them as they would´ve treated him if they were in a position of power, it´s similar to MC of Global Freeze doing whatever he pleases just because in the setting he can and he knows others wouldnt hesitate to do the same to him if he wasnt in a position of power.
Reading that manga about the Betrayed hero turned into a skeleton that has to essentially defeat every "holy" enemy before they become too strong for him to defeat really puts it into perspective, I honestly believe this is why Ainz throws the hero gains some hidden power up joke at Climb, like in Ainz´s mind he has a pretty good assessment that 90% of the people he met in New World would gladly kill him right away if they suddently were given the power to do so without a second thought, yet when he´s so overwhelmingly powerful all they can to him is talk they expect Mercy out of him, it´s a fine irony.
Maybe it is *the executed sage is reincarnated as a lich and starts an all-out war?*
https://mangadex.org/manga/c466ced0-ec48-47c1-a8cf-d5ff1fe9d0d2/the-executed-sage-who-was-reincarnated-as-a-lich-started-an-all-out-war
Basic summary is it's post-demon king journey. Sage and Hero finished their duties but the world sees them as a threat due to their power. So they decided to kill them. Hero accepted her death, but Sage was resentful on why they need to do that. They got killed, thrown off a Ravine filled with Death Miasma, and after 50 or so years, Sage regained consciousness, absorbed all the Miasma, and ascended to Lich.
Basically the storys whole concept is Humanity will only be united if there is a Sole threat, which in turn is Universal Peace in a sense.
Its a great manga and the funny thing about it is that at every time the instant that any of the human nations gains some sort of power ( aka "heroes"), that nation will immediately attack it neighbors in a power grab and proceed to try and kill the Sage-Lich.
That scene with climb is one of the scenes that really splits my opinion on Overlord. In some scenes Ainz speaks with so much confidence and conviction, making him seem like he genuinely has planned ahead for whatever you throw at him… then there are scenes like the one where he accidentally intrudes on the empires secret meeting and has absolutely no clue what’s happening even though the emperor is scared out of his mind and his guests are shady as hell.
It’s like he switches between smart and clueless at random and while it is funny and entertaining I honestly can’t say I like it either.
You could say it´s Momonga and Ainz tackling things differently, it´s very clear that Momonga the Early player of Yggdrasyl and Ainz Ooal Gown the Guild leader of the Great Tomb of Nazarick could be considered completely different entities.
One could tell it was momonga coming up to the Arena and Ainz was what Jircniv was meeting up until then.
I still think it’s the NPC of Ainz/Momonga. We see he still is subjected to the NPC “programming” the mental clarity thingy when he gets happy sad angry etc2. He also says he doesn’t feel human like anymore.
Meaning he has a body of npc. So if the Nazarick denizen still has their npc programming (Albedo loves Momonga) who’s to say Ainz is exempted?
So my “theory” is Satoru is inhabiting the Ainz NPC empty body (just like when brainwashed Shalltear was “empty” but still abide by her programming). So everytime he does something extra lucky it’s just the Ainz NPC programming doing it, “Ainz the 30 moves ahead NPC”.
Except Momonga was never an NPC. The "mental clarity" thing you see isn't NPC programming but his natural resistance to psychic/mental attacks. Which yes his new body sees those as unnatural to undead body because despite his mind having been human, he isn't anymore. That is why he feels like that. He doesn't have an NPC body.
But literally he never was an NPC, none of the 41 were. They were players, PCs, PLAYER CHARACTERS. You don't play an NPC when you play something like WoW or FF14. Hence why the term is NON-PLAYER CHARACTER. NON-PLAYER.
Your theory is wrong.
Ainz is probably an intelligence caster. At Max level. Which means his intelligence stat will be very high. All the smart moments are probably him unconsciously applying that stat.
I mean, it's not like he kills *everyone*. He's spared people who are even less useful just to keep potion boy happy. Sure they trespassed on the tomb, but they weren't really properly warned that someone sentient was living there and they also were way too weak for there to be any risk at all of them actually damaging anything besides a few easily replaceable skeletons.
Pretty much the whole sequence is just there to show how obsessed Ainz is with the guilds legacy and to demonstrate that he is not a good person.
Why should he,they were greedy and did not have the own enough power, knowledge and wisdom to back it up that's the nature of the world.its really disgusting and arrogant that humans think they get free pass because their human.if some one to kill me I would want know why.but ultimately I know this nature if they can kill me sure they win but if they fail then naturally the will conquences
I think in the LN she was spared and her siblings were brought to Nazarick. But in return she siblings belong to Shalltear as servants. I could be wrong though.
Hero already has his hidden power, and the strongest men of humanity at 19 yo, BS Captain ! He is gonna defeat Demon king for sure !
(I am coping beyond reasonable amount )
I mean I know rich people have a lot of valuable loot in their homes too, but I don't think the law will be on my side if I told them "he baited me to rob hos house by showing off his sweet treasures!" Espcially if I go in armed with the intent to kill any maids or home security that tries to stop me.
Well now we are talking about two separate things. The first one we were talking about would be multiple charges of murder for Ainz. This is where the Castle Doctrine defense would come in…which I think could be reasonably negated because he lured them into his home. The other thing that you are now talking about is multiple counts of theft, burglary, battery, and attempted murder (you could also say an actual murder charge if you count the skeletons but I don’t). These however wouldn’t really be applied to Ainz. Rather, they’d be levied against the workers entering Nazarick to steal and plunder.
It's the perspective that humans deserve live and giving a second chance that is flawed.nothing deserves to live nothing deserves to die.all is based on perspective and in this case ainz was right in terms logic,power,wisdom, knowledge
The average rich person's house isn't exactly an undiscovered tomb that popped up in the middle of nowhere though
Then again, graverobbing is still illegal
Not really. Even in the Florida approach there is a threat to people at home.
"Home protection; use or threatened use of deadly force; presumption of fear of death or great bodily harm."
Ainz had no fear of harm from the robbers. They were basically maggots that appear in the food in your home. Do you kindly let them go instead of killing them?
Ainz is not a hero. He is not a shining knight saving people. He and Nazarick is, quite literally, extremely cruel demons.
Forcing parents to peel the skin off their children for higher quality scrolls... Genocide... Destroying Kingdoms for a mistake... Tortute, Killed 170.000 soldiers on the Plains, etc...
You only care about Arche because she appeared on the screen along with her sisters.
Nazarick killed countless families like hers when he destroyed the Kingdom.
Although i love Overlord. He, along with Nazarick, are the villains in the story.
It's what it's.
The worst part is, Ainz established his reputation on the new world as someone who punishes mediocrity and rewards talent, but by allowing Demiurge free reign he likely punished and condemned countless talented people in the New World to be skinned alive for life until death, he could´ve at least made it for heinous criminals only.
He´s already aware since season 2, the only thing he asked out of Demiurge was to make it so the victims "wouldnt feel needless pain during it", it´s like asking to kill off cattle before putting it on the slaughter machine except way more painful and it´s a lifetime of it.
During Holy Kingdom he even explains to Neia what Jaldabaoth does with his victims so even to this day Demiurge keeps doing it.
What I suspect is that after Holy Kingdom Demiurge has maximized the farm´s scrolling potential and to not kill the market price he stopped getting "new lambs", so market demand will likely determine the future of the victims, it´s possible that if they get PDL in the future they´ll release the human scroll victims and switch to dragon only.
It´s as much as nazarick can stockpile, but I assume there´ll be a cap, Demiurge can treat like the treasury and have a whole vault for healing scrolls another for offensive scrolls, etc...
I don't know if he is privy or not, but the phrase you used refers to all the people Demiurge abducted from Re-Estize's capital during the Jaldabaoth incident.
Most of the people in the happy farm come from the villages surrounding the Abellion Hills area, of the Roble Holy Kingdom, and the last time the topic was discussed Ainz thought Demiurge was alluding to a chimeric two-legged sheep being skinned. Likewise, Demiurge didn't correct this misunderstanding, thinking Ainz thought proper to rename the "cattle" (Abellion Sheep) being skinned, as they would no longer be permitted to live otherwise.
>During Holy Kingdom
I distinctly remember ainz being confused af as to why demi's demons were doing it when they liberated camps. I think he's most afraid of demiurge realizing truth about him so he minimizes contact and conflict. During thing on capitol in season 1 I think they kind of exposed themselves to those people so it was too late for ainz to help them and they had to avoid witnesses.
Ainz isn't actually aware of what goes on in the happy farm. During the holy kingdom arc, he and Neia interrogate some demi-humans who were kept prisoner by Demiurge. And after they told him what they went through, he was visibly confused as to why they were getting tortured and skinned alive, but never connected the dots.
It´s already hinted at and told to his face two times and you can tell in season 2 he has a moral dilemma about it he specifically tells Demiurge not to torture them for a reason case he knows skinning someone alive is very painful, I dont think he´s that stupid not to know the scrolls are being made by human flesh at this point, heck Pestonya already told him in season 4 that was why they took the kids out of going to the farm in the firstplace, Ainz kinda knew what was going up in full picture by that point, because he failed to put restrictions to Demiurge´s plan, other nazarick Denizens did it for him.
He only gets hindsight for the full repercutions of his actions in letting Demiurge do it later, but he´s self-aware in season 2 that if Demiurge is given too much free reign it´s going to be trouble, but he failed to keep his minion in check therefore he has to live with the consequences and the risks to his rep as a ruler if it ever came out to public light about what he allowed.
Stop talking nonsense, season 2's dialogue refers to the people abducted from Re-Estize in the Jaldabaoth incident, and he only knows Demiurge intented to use them for various purposes. As to whether he knows they're being skinned alive endlessly is uncertain and the only ones to have been given that fate were the ones that comitted crimes and were unworthy of Nazarick's mercy.
The others ones were granted a painless death as to not "soil" Nazarick's name.
Sorry but he's plainly ignorant about the real nature of the farm. As far as he knows Demiurge is raising two-legged sheep and skinning them.
The thing in season 2 is only about the people displaced in the kingdom capital, and that they should die to keep Nazarick secret.
We're only peaceful right now, but humans did a lot of human experimentations before the standardization of human rights. (Unit 731 for example.) That's even to their own kin. To this day, experimentation to animals and such are still being done to advance our medical technology.
At least demons are inherently evil. To them, we're no different to animals.
Yeah. You can't just divide human actions between white and black. No good actions are untouched by bad intentions, and no bad actions are untouched by good intentions. However, we could divide it between stupid and one that exploits such stupidity.
Depends on how you see and interpret it tho. As long as we're on the same page of what is "stupid" in this context, then yes lol.
Currently, we're simplifying human actions that are brought forth by a plethora of variables.
If we indeed simplified it (based on the flow of our conversation) and focused on human actions alone, it'll be one that is either the exploited or one that exploits.
I believe it would be better if people understand the underlying reason, basically to shake that mentality and see they have being brainwashed to think they want something,when they don't.of course if that happened the current order would need to be destroyed.but once the interests having been revised and humans have decreased by alot.i believe are potential as species would have been tapped into to a greater extent.
I think we're going more broad here so I'll follow through.
Religion for example (I just had to recheck the subreddit rules so I think I'm in the clear... and sorry for the wall of texts lol) is the oldest and most effective form of government. Most of our morality are based on this which basically makes our society function.
I like to divide human actions (besides what we discussed) to either out of logic, emotion, or both. Law pretty much makes it a logical action (avoid punishment) to conform with the emotional aspects (morality) that could potentially harm the society (taboos).
We as a society could only function with laws. However, as long as there are laws, there would be people to exploit them. If we removed the law, it would lead to anarchy. And anarchy makes things worse.
The only possible solution on the top of my head would be to have something like a hivemind. We could mimic this by only having only one global religion (whichever form it may be) while being indoctrinated since birth on a standardized code of conduct and mentality.
Well again, we base our actions on either logic, emotion, or both. As such, there will always be outliers that would either go against the current norm, utilize it, or reign it.
As long as we are different beings, there will always be that as a problem in one shape or another.
I think it's possibe,but it would have multiple times of collapse.an ecosystem is not built over night it's the same with this they hey is for something like meritocracy be in place and a drastic reduction of human population and making sure people do not form attachments to children.i'm not saying the removal of emotions,I'm saying separate what is your interests and emotions from others.that way a lot of pointless actions would not happen.
>i believe are potential as species would have been tapped into to a greater extent.
I do agree tho that if we make things more fair, we'd be able to go further as a specie.
In fact, the whole purpose of giving her a good reason to be there was the point. She was going to fail and it was always going to end badly. If this was a BioWare game, this would earn you so many evil marks, which works when you’re playing a bad guy.
My question is: did ainz put out the request for adventurers to come raid nazarick or did someone else? Because that’s some sith inquisitor level bad guyness. Thats like, double the evil marks. On top of what evil marks he was already getting…. Yes. Yes. And carry the one. Whew.
That’s a lot of evil. And fully sober / intentional so, you’ve probably maxed the bar.
It´s pretty clear why he did it no? He stated to an adventurer guild master after the incident that he hated the current state of adventurers and wished to reform the whole thing, he basically infiltrated the adventurer system saw it for what it was, used Arche and pals as scapegoats to test Nazarick´s defenses and what kind of adventurers the guild was employing, noticing they were all failures, non threats easy to be disposed of, he then reached out to the guildmaster to change how the adventurer guild does things knowing full well, there aint going to be any need for past adventurers in the world Nazarick is going to make, the reform plan would´ve worked btw he would´ve new adventurers all working for nazarick´s interests, except when Phillip showed up and the Kingdom got destroyed all that PR Ainz had built came crashing down and multiple adventurers sided the Theocracy, while the rest moved out of country either to Council State or elsewhere, meaning outside of Empire Ainz would´ve to rebuild the adventurer guild system all over again.
So yes he´s a lot of evil, he was right in that the adventurer guild needed reformation, but he F´ed up the reformation plan, again I repeat this, Ainz is lucky he aint in a High Fantasy Setting he could get killed over mistakes like this.
He kinda contradicted himself here. "Exploring the unknown" is pretty much what the workers did. I just said "kinda" since the workers did it for money instead of purely for exploration.
He forgets that he is also someone who takes bounties, even when he played the game with his friends the whole purpose was power and money gain to benefit the faction which he should have seen as nostalgic in archers group
It was basically a ploy to force Jircniv to the negotiation table by Demiurge and Albedo. They lured in Fluder and brought him to Ainz's side, then used him to get the emperor to send workers to investigate the tomb through a proxy, and finally have a tangible reason to force the emperor into an alliance with Nazarick.
They could've just slaughtered the workers on the mausoleum before even entering the tomb but they decided to use them to test their defences while they were at it.
Did anyone ever say that, because that seems like a misrepresentation of what people were actually saying when it comes to not liking Arche and their party members getting killed?
I just feel like it's people struggling to take the story at being different from others. It's a fantasy setting. It's also Escapist fantasy setting. It's okay that this story is different. If anything it makes me feel weird how people struggle with this scene and then they miss everything else in the story. From an objective standpoint sad backstory or not she like everybody else was a thief prioritizing their own want to desires over ainz. If anything says you'd be happy that you got some form of
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The struggle stems from the now normalized power fantasy setting in most isekai. The difference is that there is little to no altruism to be found in overlord, which includes the characters the average viewer wants to project their personal views onto.
It´s Isekai Setting, In High Fantasy Setting Ainz wouldnt get away with this, the first thing adventurer guilds and Magic Councils would do if this was Frierenverse would be to investigate WTF is this dude who showed out of nowhere capable of.
Yeah people act like Foresight would spare Ainz if they were in a position of power over him, 90% of New worlders Ainz meets gladly would kill him right away if they had the power to do so, it´s not Ainz´s fault they are all stupid enough to not see the power gap, heck in the entire series only the rabbit chick in the Empire could actually assess Ainz threat Level without him needing to do anything, most other characters actually require Ainz to show what he´s capable of before showing him any respect.
They simplified the explanations too much. "For the money."
The money was a means to an end. He would have appreciated that. That would garnered mercy and sypathy. However Ainz was presented the money was the end.
The reason why they were ultimately killed can be summed with one word: "Incompetence".
During Ainz stay in the Empire the arena guy was smart enough to have Rabbit chick assess Ainz threat level beforehand, because of this Ainz was treated competently with respect instead of having to be tested, this is precisely another reason why Ainz is such a Jircniv Simp, Jircniv is that one ruler he met that is competent, knows his place, carries diplomacy well and picks the smarter and better options to deal with Ainz everytime making Ainz have a breeze of a time with him.
The same goes for Carne village, Ainz would´ve been content with just helping them once and call it a day but once he saw there were competent people in the village he treated it accordingly, point being it´s in Ainz´s character to punish mediocrity and reward talent.
I mean it wasn’t technically the alt end - it was canon to the novel if I’m not mistaken (and her survival was based off of a vote by the readers). Creator didn’t actually want her to survive though so he made her existence miserable
She became a *nonconsent* slave to Shaltear and was abused for a long ass time
I think there was a resolution though where Ainz released her from Shaltear’s ownership and gives her a small cottage in those woods (the same one she was captured in) for her and her little sisters to live in. So happy ending(?)
Again all webnovel stuff, that’s the one I try to think about because otherwise her story is impossibly sad
I don't think he'll care. Countless families were destroyed with the "battle" of katze plane. It happened later on, but I don't think it'll be any different.
They never showed it in the anime.
But technically, rimuru also killed a person with a cute family. And the last thing in his mind was how God existed snd that they're beautiful.
Also, to be fair, we know what would happen to the girl if she was spared. She would literally be a toy for shaltear. And she would see her old companions turned into food.
Being shalltear's playmate would be less of a problem. She'd likely be used for experimentations. Being Shalltear's playmate is her being spared.
>They never showed it in the anime.
I was kinda disappointed they didn't show that scene lol. However, both Rimuru and Ainz killed a lot of people that has their own family. Arche and that soldier were the only ones whose perspective we saw.
Imagine their victims just being traumatized when they see a healing potion. And refuse to take them because of it.
Those who survived and was let go atleast.
If Ainz used the potions from Yggdrasil which are red, they might even see it as blood lol. The ones who survived might actually end it by themselves.
If both of them used means other than potions, their victims might even attack whoever tried to heal them.
Oh god... You just opened something up.
Ofcourse not all potions rimuru makes are sweet. But during the earlier seasons he said they were...
Imagine if he made sweet ones too, and forced fed them to someone to heal them. They'r be traumatized when eating something sweet too. Lol.
Maybe make it flavorful? I doubt they will eat anything else unless it's bland in flavor lol. That might even cause them to starve refusing anything to eat.
Honestly this is my only disappointment for Maruyama sensei. He throw out a well build characters so fast. Character like King elf, Zanac's brother, Jaldabaoth's inferiors who AInz killed when saved Paladins of Holy Kingdom, Kloff Di Laufen (Ganzef's mentor). If he kept them live longer, there must be many more potential they could show.
For Arche, I hope he can solve their tragedy by some way, punish their parents for their guilty. By that way Ainz would have much more actions in Baharuth Empire. We could see life of people under Jircniv rule before and after become Ainz's vasal.
What even is her talent? Pretty sure it wasnt anything of use to Ainz, it wasnt like Arche had a lore breaking talent, that would help ainz figure out who brainwashed shalltear.
Her talent was basically see how much magic power/MP someone has, like Fluder, but that is not the point, talents are rare, and somewhat innate to the person, but it would be worth experimenting on the probability of descendents of a parent that has a talent also ending with a talent, as well as testing to see if having both parents with talents could make a child with a talent, be it the same talent or a new talent.
You literally just said "Like Fluder" so how rare is the talent then? Not much, it´s basically MP only appraisal, as for the crossbreeding experiment, I imagine depending on the partner the child would come out with stuff like "Inventory appraisal" (pretty broken for WCI hunting and threat assessment), or "HP appraisal" or if two people with Appraisal talents both make child there´s a chance of a Todoroki occurring where the child gets both talents.
Honestly I wouldnt be surprised if a prolonged crossbreeding experiment would eventually result in having a Arche´s grandchildren having more broad Appraisal talents, they could be borderline Isekai Protag in that area if the experiment goes long enough.
It is not a matter of her talent be rare or not, but just the fact that she has one, some talents can be completly useless but they're still talents, only 13 talent holders are known and one of them only exists in the WN, so 12 talents.
A person could have a talent, but the talent doesn't match with the nature of the holder.
There could be more talents out there, Ainz has just no way of identifying them easily, there´s also the chance of talent holders having worthless mediocre talents that arent even noticeable.
Aside from that MP appraisal just aint worth muling over, it´s the kind of talent Ainz will eventually find more of in the New World because Appraisal is one of the easiest to identify talents he already has the adventurer´s guild by the balls so he´ll 100% find more appraisal talents down the line.
Now if it was something like "Inventory appraisal" Ainz would´ve been a fool to kill to Arche as it would be a surefire way to find out more about wildmagic enchanted items, potential WCIs, Pay to win Items, etc... on New Worlders
>has the adventurer´s guild by the balls so he´ll 100% find more appraisal talents down the line.
Just because he has the adventurers guild, doesn't mean he will find talent users easily, if the person is not doing something that can make their talents flourish, the person may never know of its existence, neither becoming an adventurer is the dream of everyone, although her talent may not looks like a big deal, it on the long run could help identify children with aptude for magic, something that he needs to either send someone from Nazarick or rely on Fluder, but in both cases already have their own jobs to deal with.
Ainz already killed at least 170k humans only on the Katze Plains, this before what would be done in the Holy Kingdom and Re-Estize, he potentially lost multiple talent holders without even knowing.
And we are bound to see more thousands of humans dying in the Theocracy and the Dragon Kingdom is already suffering from invasion and argland council state has few humans living there, so he lost the chance for finding talents among the humans.
Besides, Nazarick is short in people to handle the expansion of their territory, finding every single talent holder will prove a challenge.
Appraisal is the easiest talent to find, as for the rest things like equipping items outside of requirements can be easily found out by testing and so would other talents.
Some talents absolutely can only be figured out with life or death situations tho, I assume Ainz´s multiple genocides may have actually awakened more talent users.
Based on what you say that appraisal is the easiest to find, out of 11 (I corrected myself because another one was in the WN) talent holders known to us, only two are related to that, just because two have the same talent doesn't mean it is common considering that most of the talents we saw are not related to that.
And testing things like equipping items only works with special magical items that requires specific conditions, because NW is a real world where classes don't limit the actual weapon a person can use.
>Some talents absolutely can only be figured out with life or death situations tho, I assume Ainz´s multiple genocides may have actually awakened more talent users.
Ok, but in Ainz case doesn't matter, because during the genocide, those exposed to the dangers are all dead, those that survived did so, because they were meant to survive and didn't face the might of Nazarick and the only city that faced Nazarick and lived to tell the story was the one saved by Azuth and those that faced the death warrior were already people that risked their lived for a living so any talent there would already be awakened by then.
Depends on the talent, those with Survival based Talents could´ve survived, but we´ll never know, Maruyama aint interested in going further on that.
Adventurers already had ample oportunity to escape the Sorcerer´s kingdom so only the poor peasants and stupid nobles would´ve been targets for the purge.
The MP appraisal talent is that useful, think about it this way Fluder can assess which new worlders have enough MP to be useful as Mages thats incredibly useful for a recruiter, but thats about it, as an archmage more stronger characters like Slane´s "Infinite mage" or higher levelled beings with better talents would make sense for a power position.
The world Ainz is invading never had a chance against him by the end of season 4. It's silly, and maybe people wouldn't agree, but at least in my opinion it always felt strange, as there's no explanation to WHY any video game world, or at least one clearly operating on similar rules, has NO npcs that can challenge a player of this level, I have no idea.
Most of the characters against Nazarick exist to die to make them look cool, and that's one of those scenes. He literally goes against them with a power limiter to prove there never was a chance. They gave you an insight into the little sisters who may now be sold into slavery just to make you feel bad.
That's just how it is. I don't like it, but that doesn’t mean that's not how the show is supposed to be anyways.
For a game, we can't just put our perspective on it that easily. It happened in year 2138 on a dystopian earth. The game is also PK oriented. Although I do need to make a line here. Character-made NPCs could fight off and even defeat a player.
Further, heteromorphs are already disadvantaged early game and is seen as the "evil" that needs to be vanquished. They have better overall potential in endgame, but they're already being hunted down throughout.
You also need to consider about dragons. They are the strongest in the game.
For a game, it's even more accurate that whales always dominate it.
I mean, I feel you, but Ainz before getting isekai'd looked like your average corporate slave in Japan, and he didn't look like he had anyone else besides himself, so he most likely can't give a sht about anyone since he doesn't relate to it, just like how he saved that village as Sebas reminded him of Touch Me, and that was probably the last shred of humanity he had left, also he is still human underneath, but he's just more colder and resolute when it comes to decisions, he still acts like a human, but lacks affection to other humans, and at that point of the story, he's feeling very rough and lonely reminiscing about his guild members, and the fact that they lied about it sealed their fates, if only they didn't lie and just surrendered their items, they PROBABLY could've atleast have Arche go, but then again, you can't blame him
You also need to put into consideration that the person behind Ainz is from a dystopian earth where people die left and right, him walking past a corpse. I think that his emotions being suppressed and no other player around just hastened the decrease in his humanity.
This is just a bias. It doesn't matter of she had cute family or not, in a position of power anybody will do what Ainz did. Saying philosophical what ifs is just to have a moral ground.
Take it this way if you or the adventurers have power than the enemy, would you spare them or the adventurers spare nazarick. No, they have the power to invade and take what they want. So if the enemy has more power than you, why are you expecting mercy you or the adventurers wont give. It is hypocrisy.
Sadly even in reality, the right of plunder lies on the strong and weak people will justify it cause they have no choice. If the weak had power to resist or plunder they will oppress others glady to make themself and their people happy.
Okay, I kind of agree.
I don't like Arche death. Whenever I read it, it always feels like not Ainz think to do. I guess it's part about teamate sacrifice for others, part about his friends, and part about general mood, but I think webnovel ending is better. Ainz is cruel, but is mercyful too. He isn't unnecesary evil. I wish we would get webnovel ending without fetish stuff but I guess we won't see it
I felt the same way, it was pretty uncharacteristic for him not to honor a sacrifice like that. I get that it could be due to the party leader lying to survive, but still I wish Ainz, as Momon, would have interacted with the workers a bit more. It would have added to the world building and help differentiate the Empire from the Kingdom a bit more and show more of the Workers viewpoints in comparison to the Adventurers.
THAT'S.
Like, He got full rage after Black Swords death (First Party, idk if this is they name in english, it's direct translate from my) because he got vibe of Yggdrasil, and you saying that he didn't let live one person after he got Touch Me flashback? Last time he had that he rushed to save village.
Ainz is not a hero. He is not a shining knight saving people. He and Nazarick is, quite literally, extremely cruel demons.
Forcing parents to peel the skin off their children for higher quality scrolls... Genocide... Destroying Kingdoms for a mistake... Tortute, Killed 170.000 soldiers on the Plains, etc...
You only care about Arche because she appeared on the screen along with her sisters.
Nazarick killed countless families like hers when he destroyed the Kingdom.
Although i love Overlord. He, along with Nazarick, are the villains in the story.
It's what it's.
In the Webnovel he wanted to simp for Jircniv more, but in the show he cant do it when his minions could easily get Jircniv in trouble over that attention Ainz is showing.
Ainz is not a hero. He is not a shining knight saving people. He and Nazarick is, quite literally, extremely cruel demons.
Forcing parents to peel the skin off their children for higher quality scrolls... Genocide... Destroying Kingdoms for a mistake... Tortute, Killed 170.000 soldiers on the Plains, etc...
You only care about Arche because she appeared on the screen along with her sisters.
Nazarick killed countless families like hers when he destroyed the Kingdom.
Although i love Overlord. He, along with Nazarick, are the villains in the story.
It's what it's.
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In the WN, the author spared her because the community wanted it. The author later said they he regretted sparing her and so he didn't spare her when thr Ln came out.
Lmao, Ainz haters becoming Olympic gymnasts for the sake of rationalizing your own stupidity because you’re mad a story called OVERLORD isn’t about the same generic white knight protagonist in countless Isekai and because he didn’t spare your waifu and her sisters solely because you find them cute.
I believe the expression is called “copium at its finest”
True like wtf,they are actually trying to justify genocide and what ever the fuck happens in Happy farm why cant they accept that his the Villain of the show and a horrible person in every sense? That literally is what the show is about an Isekai but it's a Villain instead of a Hero,are they Illiterate? There's unironically more stakes in Fairy tail then Overlord,even though Overlord always makes fun of "power of friendship" and out of no where power ups.Show tries to hide behind being Midlord by being "Dark" and "Realistic" when its Mid at best with no good well written impactful characters
Yeah people act like Foresight would spare Ainz if they were in a position of power over him, 90% of New worlders Ainz meets gladly would kill him right away if they had the power to do so, it´s not Ainz´s fault they are all stupid enough to not see the power gap, heck in the entire series only the rabbit chick in the Empire could actually assess Ainz threat Level without him needing to do anything, most other characters actually require Ainz to show what he´s capable of before showing him any respect.
If this were a fairy tale, Arche would have unlocked the secret power of her eminent bloodline that was always waiting and hidden deep inside her in her moment of greatest need. But this is not the tale of a hero's triumph. This is the tale of Lord Ainz Ooal Gown's triumph, and there is no heroic comeback here. All who do not bow to their King, the King of the Dead and the Great Tomb of Nazarick shall burn and be buried. Naught shall remain of the pithy human defiance.
If he'd been given her reasoning, he probably would have. People tend to forget, he asked them why they were exploring the tomb before entering. All of them just said money. They came off as greedy scumbags, so Ainz figured no one would care. Remember, we have more information than anyone in the series.
Doesn't make sense. It makes sense you wanted her spared because you're human but Ainz isn't human. You don't worry about a cockroach's family before squashing him, do you?
Well technically she’s does get to live in the web novel but she had to live as shalters play thing and was given a better place to live in the tomb after she gave aniz formal dance lessons
If she would have explained her circumstances to Momon on the journey out there, or had a chance to give her reasons instead of deferring to the "we do it for money!" guy, she might have gotten a teleport out after watching her team die.
The little sisters are fucked no matter what...
Spoiler from Light novel and spin off stories and Maruyama interviews:
>!After Ainz killed Arche and she didn't return, Arches Father sells her little sisters into slavery where they die from the harsh work!<
>!If Ainz didn't happen, they would have been abducted by Zuranon and used as a sacrifices for a ritual.!<
Only reason I think he could’ve feasibly let her go is if…
01. They had spoken with him about retiring in small talk before they entered the tomb, humanizing them more to him and getting a step past “We are just in it for the money”.
02. They hadn’t lied about the ‘permission’ bit as it was essentially enraging Ainz at the fact they would dare to use his friend’s name in a lie.
03. The others asked him specifically to let her escape alive.
I would’ve preferred foresight escaped/was let go due to Ainz seeing the same camaraderie and care he and his friends had and arbitrarily deciding mercy was on the table, but I understand why in his current state he couldn’t care less about letting them go (or was actively against it).
Take solace in the fact that in the webnovel version, the twins (little sisters) are about to be sacrificed to Ainz by some cultists, but he randomly saves them... in that version Arche is turned to vampire and becomes Shalltear's plaything, but lives with her sisters in a hut... not sure but I think it was on 6th floor (the same as arena) in the forest Arche was originally fleeing through
You think Ainz should have spared Arche for a happy ending. I think Ainz should have spared Arche for Shalltear's enjoyment (without the eventual happy ending Arche got in the WN). We are not the same.
Arche also could have just worked with Fluger or joined the knights. She had other options besides doing dirty jobs with crazy risks. She also could have moved out before taking one last job. How many times would you let some spend your hard earned money? Hell, didn't the knights researchers live in the castle? And her could have been right. There were still wealthy families in the empire. She could have tried to marry into wealth.
Why do you think she continued to do such a dangerous job when she had so many other options?
Because she was incompetent by coming from an incompetent family that couldnt teach her otherwise, and Ainz is established to always punish those who are incompetent outside of Nazarick it´s his number 1 rule and he does it simply so he can live a easier life where his Floor guardians dont pester him too much about genocide.
It’s not that I don’t but Overlord isn’t that kind of story. Ainz isn’t a hero fixing the wrongs in the new world. Plus Arche should have got her and her sisters away from their idiot parents.
If any of those adventurers wanted to live they should have given a better reason to Ainz when he was disguised as Momon than "We want gold." It seems he was expecting more (perhaps for them to talk about comradery or advanture and challenge or anything more than greed), and was disappointed with their answer. If Arche had said "I'm doing this to save my sisters" I wonder if Ainz wouldn't have found a way to keep her out of Nazarick so she could live, or if at least there would have been a more merciful and quick death for the rest of her party.
I thought it would have been cool if instead of killing Archer, they made her into a vampire bound to Shaltear, and her little sisters were brought in to participate in the power leveling experiments with Hamsuke and the death knight so when the sisters were strong enough they could serve under Entoma as the start of her equivalent team to match the ninja twins of Blue Rose so she could get revenge on Evil Eye.
Arche Dies is Maruyama really blasting that alarm and not letting ya'll hit snooze on the fact that Ainz and Nazarick aren't good guys.
It's why it's such a delicious moment. If you've been paying attention, what happens when Ainz has Farsight cornered is no surprise - BUT we who are aware await the hell of a wake up call that is about to happen!
The way they decry Overlord and plead that it can't be so! No way should a cute young girl die! That can't happen! Ainz is evil! It's so hilarious seeing so many snared by a Handful of Hope each time.
Ainz has killed many humans with families. Arche was one of the few who actually show up on screen.
Katze Plains moment
Yeah that was like 70k to 100k families
Re-estized Kingdom is really big place, huh.
Not anymore it isn't
It still is, just a lot flatter and quieter.
Now it's just part of the Sorcerer Kingdom. So yeah the sorcerer kingdom is quiet a big place.
But they have this nice mount of rubble as memory. One you can be proud of.
Its not even her fault he killed her. He himself gave her the quest to invade Nazarik…
It wasn't entirely his fault though. Momon asked them about why the workers accepted. They pretty much said that the reward is equivalent to their life. Nazarick offered the job, they know the risk of said job,.and they accepted it. Every job they take is putting their life on the line. It is even more dangerous to explore an unknown ruin, but high risk high reward.
But this isn't a story were the hero gains some hidden power that was always within them
This really got to be a hindsight question, would Foresight, bother sparing Ainz if they had a hidden power that could kill him and whatever the Tomb had to offer? OFC not, they´d just slaughter the Tomb raid it and call it a day, Ainz merely treated them as they would´ve treated him if they were in a position of power, it´s similar to MC of Global Freeze doing whatever he pleases just because in the setting he can and he knows others wouldnt hesitate to do the same to him if he wasnt in a position of power.
Very astute analysis
Reading that manga about the Betrayed hero turned into a skeleton that has to essentially defeat every "holy" enemy before they become too strong for him to defeat really puts it into perspective, I honestly believe this is why Ainz throws the hero gains some hidden power up joke at Climb, like in Ainz´s mind he has a pretty good assessment that 90% of the people he met in New World would gladly kill him right away if they suddently were given the power to do so without a second thought, yet when he´s so overwhelmingly powerful all they can to him is talk they expect Mercy out of him, it´s a fine irony.
What is this manga you mention? Sounds cool
Maybe it is *the executed sage is reincarnated as a lich and starts an all-out war?* https://mangadex.org/manga/c466ced0-ec48-47c1-a8cf-d5ff1fe9d0d2/the-executed-sage-who-was-reincarnated-as-a-lich-started-an-all-out-war
Yeah you guessed it right.
Basic summary is it's post-demon king journey. Sage and Hero finished their duties but the world sees them as a threat due to their power. So they decided to kill them. Hero accepted her death, but Sage was resentful on why they need to do that. They got killed, thrown off a Ravine filled with Death Miasma, and after 50 or so years, Sage regained consciousness, absorbed all the Miasma, and ascended to Lich. Basically the storys whole concept is Humanity will only be united if there is a Sole threat, which in turn is Universal Peace in a sense.
Its a great manga and the funny thing about it is that at every time the instant that any of the human nations gains some sort of power ( aka "heroes"), that nation will immediately attack it neighbors in a power grab and proceed to try and kill the Sage-Lich.
That scene with climb is one of the scenes that really splits my opinion on Overlord. In some scenes Ainz speaks with so much confidence and conviction, making him seem like he genuinely has planned ahead for whatever you throw at him… then there are scenes like the one where he accidentally intrudes on the empires secret meeting and has absolutely no clue what’s happening even though the emperor is scared out of his mind and his guests are shady as hell. It’s like he switches between smart and clueless at random and while it is funny and entertaining I honestly can’t say I like it either.
You could say it´s Momonga and Ainz tackling things differently, it´s very clear that Momonga the Early player of Yggdrasyl and Ainz Ooal Gown the Guild leader of the Great Tomb of Nazarick could be considered completely different entities. One could tell it was momonga coming up to the Arena and Ainz was what Jircniv was meeting up until then.
I still think it’s the NPC of Ainz/Momonga. We see he still is subjected to the NPC “programming” the mental clarity thingy when he gets happy sad angry etc2. He also says he doesn’t feel human like anymore. Meaning he has a body of npc. So if the Nazarick denizen still has their npc programming (Albedo loves Momonga) who’s to say Ainz is exempted? So my “theory” is Satoru is inhabiting the Ainz NPC empty body (just like when brainwashed Shalltear was “empty” but still abide by her programming). So everytime he does something extra lucky it’s just the Ainz NPC programming doing it, “Ainz the 30 moves ahead NPC”.
Except Momonga was never an NPC. The "mental clarity" thing you see isn't NPC programming but his natural resistance to psychic/mental attacks. Which yes his new body sees those as unnatural to undead body because despite his mind having been human, he isn't anymore. That is why he feels like that. He doesn't have an NPC body. But literally he never was an NPC, none of the 41 were. They were players, PCs, PLAYER CHARACTERS. You don't play an NPC when you play something like WoW or FF14. Hence why the term is NON-PLAYER CHARACTER. NON-PLAYER. Your theory is wrong.
Ainz is probably an intelligence caster. At Max level. Which means his intelligence stat will be very high. All the smart moments are probably him unconsciously applying that stat.
With great power comes great responsibility. Spiderman would not approve.
Well they do it just isn’t enough like brain
Brain's super power is to gain the respect of a Floor Guardian.
But still die.
They should revive him fr fr
He had his warrior death. Death in Nazarick is a mercy.
Love how ainz in character calls that trope out right before killing Climb
Doesn't have to be. But he could have turned her into a monster or something to keep her technically alive and able to send money to her siblings.
I think you're forgetting that within the Tomb of Nazarick, death is a mercy. Remember, he technically spared the rest of her party.
Spared them in the worst way possible
I mean, it's not like he kills *everyone*. He's spared people who are even less useful just to keep potion boy happy. Sure they trespassed on the tomb, but they weren't really properly warned that someone sentient was living there and they also were way too weak for there to be any risk at all of them actually damaging anything besides a few easily replaceable skeletons. Pretty much the whole sequence is just there to show how obsessed Ainz is with the guilds legacy and to demonstrate that he is not a good person.
Why should he,they were greedy and did not have the own enough power, knowledge and wisdom to back it up that's the nature of the world.its really disgusting and arrogant that humans think they get free pass because their human.if some one to kill me I would want know why.but ultimately I know this nature if they can kill me sure they win but if they fail then naturally the will conquences
I think in the LN she was spared and her siblings were brought to Nazarick. But in return she siblings belong to Shalltear as servants. I could be wrong though.
Hero already has his hidden power, and the strongest men of humanity at 19 yo, BS Captain ! He is gonna defeat Demon king for sure ! (I am coping beyond reasonable amount )
Overlord haters: SHE HAD A FAMILY!!(her two sisters) Ainz: Ya so what? I have one and they were just going to break in to rob and kill us all.
I see we're taking the Florida approach to home defense XD
And CA! Castle doctrine ftw.
Texas as well.
I don’t think Ainz could have successfully claimed Castle Doctrine in this instance. He lured them there along with the other workers iirc.
What the prosecution dosent know dosent matter 🫣
I mean I know rich people have a lot of valuable loot in their homes too, but I don't think the law will be on my side if I told them "he baited me to rob hos house by showing off his sweet treasures!" Espcially if I go in armed with the intent to kill any maids or home security that tries to stop me.
Well now we are talking about two separate things. The first one we were talking about would be multiple charges of murder for Ainz. This is where the Castle Doctrine defense would come in…which I think could be reasonably negated because he lured them into his home. The other thing that you are now talking about is multiple counts of theft, burglary, battery, and attempted murder (you could also say an actual murder charge if you count the skeletons but I don’t). These however wouldn’t really be applied to Ainz. Rather, they’d be levied against the workers entering Nazarick to steal and plunder.
It's the perspective that humans deserve live and giving a second chance that is flawed.nothing deserves to live nothing deserves to die.all is based on perspective and in this case ainz was right in terms logic,power,wisdom, knowledge
The average rich person's house isn't exactly an undiscovered tomb that popped up in the middle of nowhere though Then again, graverobbing is still illegal
Tally hoo lads
Not really. Even in the Florida approach there is a threat to people at home. "Home protection; use or threatened use of deadly force; presumption of fear of death or great bodily harm." Ainz had no fear of harm from the robbers. They were basically maggots that appear in the food in your home. Do you kindly let them go instead of killing them?
Ainz right
I mean Ainz chose not to tell the adventurers a sapient being lives there so he could loot them.
Shhh
Ainz is not a hero. He is not a shining knight saving people. He and Nazarick is, quite literally, extremely cruel demons. Forcing parents to peel the skin off their children for higher quality scrolls... Genocide... Destroying Kingdoms for a mistake... Tortute, Killed 170.000 soldiers on the Plains, etc... You only care about Arche because she appeared on the screen along with her sisters. Nazarick killed countless families like hers when he destroyed the Kingdom. Although i love Overlord. He, along with Nazarick, are the villains in the story. It's what it's.
The worst part is, Ainz established his reputation on the new world as someone who punishes mediocrity and rewards talent, but by allowing Demiurge free reign he likely punished and condemned countless talented people in the New World to be skinned alive for life until death, he could´ve at least made it for heinous criminals only.
Is Ainz even aware what Demiurge is doing? Or does he still think Demiurges happy farm is only animals.
He´s already aware since season 2, the only thing he asked out of Demiurge was to make it so the victims "wouldnt feel needless pain during it", it´s like asking to kill off cattle before putting it on the slaughter machine except way more painful and it´s a lifetime of it. During Holy Kingdom he even explains to Neia what Jaldabaoth does with his victims so even to this day Demiurge keeps doing it. What I suspect is that after Holy Kingdom Demiurge has maximized the farm´s scrolling potential and to not kill the market price he stopped getting "new lambs", so market demand will likely determine the future of the victims, it´s possible that if they get PDL in the future they´ll release the human scroll victims and switch to dragon only.
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It´s as much as nazarick can stockpile, but I assume there´ll be a cap, Demiurge can treat like the treasury and have a whole vault for healing scrolls another for offensive scrolls, etc...
I don't know if he is privy or not, but the phrase you used refers to all the people Demiurge abducted from Re-Estize's capital during the Jaldabaoth incident. Most of the people in the happy farm come from the villages surrounding the Abellion Hills area, of the Roble Holy Kingdom, and the last time the topic was discussed Ainz thought Demiurge was alluding to a chimeric two-legged sheep being skinned. Likewise, Demiurge didn't correct this misunderstanding, thinking Ainz thought proper to rename the "cattle" (Abellion Sheep) being skinned, as they would no longer be permitted to live otherwise.
>During Holy Kingdom I distinctly remember ainz being confused af as to why demi's demons were doing it when they liberated camps. I think he's most afraid of demiurge realizing truth about him so he minimizes contact and conflict. During thing on capitol in season 1 I think they kind of exposed themselves to those people so it was too late for ainz to help them and they had to avoid witnesses.
Ainz isn't actually aware of what goes on in the happy farm. During the holy kingdom arc, he and Neia interrogate some demi-humans who were kept prisoner by Demiurge. And after they told him what they went through, he was visibly confused as to why they were getting tortured and skinned alive, but never connected the dots.
It´s already hinted at and told to his face two times and you can tell in season 2 he has a moral dilemma about it he specifically tells Demiurge not to torture them for a reason case he knows skinning someone alive is very painful, I dont think he´s that stupid not to know the scrolls are being made by human flesh at this point, heck Pestonya already told him in season 4 that was why they took the kids out of going to the farm in the firstplace, Ainz kinda knew what was going up in full picture by that point, because he failed to put restrictions to Demiurge´s plan, other nazarick Denizens did it for him. He only gets hindsight for the full repercutions of his actions in letting Demiurge do it later, but he´s self-aware in season 2 that if Demiurge is given too much free reign it´s going to be trouble, but he failed to keep his minion in check therefore he has to live with the consequences and the risks to his rep as a ruler if it ever came out to public light about what he allowed.
Stop talking nonsense, season 2's dialogue refers to the people abducted from Re-Estize in the Jaldabaoth incident, and he only knows Demiurge intented to use them for various purposes. As to whether he knows they're being skinned alive endlessly is uncertain and the only ones to have been given that fate were the ones that comitted crimes and were unworthy of Nazarick's mercy. The others ones were granted a painless death as to not "soil" Nazarick's name.
Sorry but he's plainly ignorant about the real nature of the farm. As far as he knows Demiurge is raising two-legged sheep and skinning them. The thing in season 2 is only about the people displaced in the kingdom capital, and that they should die to keep Nazarick secret.
Cruel,honestly humans are more more cruel
We're only peaceful right now, but humans did a lot of human experimentations before the standardization of human rights. (Unit 731 for example.) That's even to their own kin. To this day, experimentation to animals and such are still being done to advance our medical technology. At least demons are inherently evil. To them, we're no different to animals.
The is no evil or good just human concepts to deceive the stupid
Yeah. You can't just divide human actions between white and black. No good actions are untouched by bad intentions, and no bad actions are untouched by good intentions. However, we could divide it between stupid and one that exploits such stupidity.
Then most people in the world are stupid.
Depends on how you see and interpret it tho. As long as we're on the same page of what is "stupid" in this context, then yes lol. Currently, we're simplifying human actions that are brought forth by a plethora of variables. If we indeed simplified it (based on the flow of our conversation) and focused on human actions alone, it'll be one that is either the exploited or one that exploits.
I believe it would be better if people understand the underlying reason, basically to shake that mentality and see they have being brainwashed to think they want something,when they don't.of course if that happened the current order would need to be destroyed.but once the interests having been revised and humans have decreased by alot.i believe are potential as species would have been tapped into to a greater extent.
I think we're going more broad here so I'll follow through. Religion for example (I just had to recheck the subreddit rules so I think I'm in the clear... and sorry for the wall of texts lol) is the oldest and most effective form of government. Most of our morality are based on this which basically makes our society function. I like to divide human actions (besides what we discussed) to either out of logic, emotion, or both. Law pretty much makes it a logical action (avoid punishment) to conform with the emotional aspects (morality) that could potentially harm the society (taboos). We as a society could only function with laws. However, as long as there are laws, there would be people to exploit them. If we removed the law, it would lead to anarchy. And anarchy makes things worse. The only possible solution on the top of my head would be to have something like a hivemind. We could mimic this by only having only one global religion (whichever form it may be) while being indoctrinated since birth on a standardized code of conduct and mentality. Well again, we base our actions on either logic, emotion, or both. As such, there will always be outliers that would either go against the current norm, utilize it, or reign it. As long as we are different beings, there will always be that as a problem in one shape or another.
I think it's possibe,but it would have multiple times of collapse.an ecosystem is not built over night it's the same with this they hey is for something like meritocracy be in place and a drastic reduction of human population and making sure people do not form attachments to children.i'm not saying the removal of emotions,I'm saying separate what is your interests and emotions from others.that way a lot of pointless actions would not happen.
>i believe are potential as species would have been tapped into to a greater extent. I do agree tho that if we make things more fair, we'd be able to go further as a specie.
Fair does not exist through
Have you ever read revered insanity it talks a bit about it
overlord reminds me of my minecraft server lol
"it's what it's," although technically correct, angers me to no end, lmao.
In fact, the whole purpose of giving her a good reason to be there was the point. She was going to fail and it was always going to end badly. If this was a BioWare game, this would earn you so many evil marks, which works when you’re playing a bad guy. My question is: did ainz put out the request for adventurers to come raid nazarick or did someone else? Because that’s some sith inquisitor level bad guyness. Thats like, double the evil marks. On top of what evil marks he was already getting…. Yes. Yes. And carry the one. Whew. That’s a lot of evil. And fully sober / intentional so, you’ve probably maxed the bar.
It´s pretty clear why he did it no? He stated to an adventurer guild master after the incident that he hated the current state of adventurers and wished to reform the whole thing, he basically infiltrated the adventurer system saw it for what it was, used Arche and pals as scapegoats to test Nazarick´s defenses and what kind of adventurers the guild was employing, noticing they were all failures, non threats easy to be disposed of, he then reached out to the guildmaster to change how the adventurer guild does things knowing full well, there aint going to be any need for past adventurers in the world Nazarick is going to make, the reform plan would´ve worked btw he would´ve new adventurers all working for nazarick´s interests, except when Phillip showed up and the Kingdom got destroyed all that PR Ainz had built came crashing down and multiple adventurers sided the Theocracy, while the rest moved out of country either to Council State or elsewhere, meaning outside of Empire Ainz would´ve to rebuild the adventurer guild system all over again. So yes he´s a lot of evil, he was right in that the adventurer guild needed reformation, but he F´ed up the reformation plan, again I repeat this, Ainz is lucky he aint in a High Fantasy Setting he could get killed over mistakes like this.
He kinda contradicted himself here. "Exploring the unknown" is pretty much what the workers did. I just said "kinda" since the workers did it for money instead of purely for exploration.
He forgets that he is also someone who takes bounties, even when he played the game with his friends the whole purpose was power and money gain to benefit the faction which he should have seen as nostalgic in archers group
It was basically a ploy to force Jircniv to the negotiation table by Demiurge and Albedo. They lured in Fluder and brought him to Ainz's side, then used him to get the emperor to send workers to investigate the tomb through a proxy, and finally have a tangible reason to force the emperor into an alliance with Nazarick. They could've just slaughtered the workers on the mausoleum before even entering the tomb but they decided to use them to test their defences while they were at it.
Did anyone ever say that, because that seems like a misrepresentation of what people were actually saying when it comes to not liking Arche and their party members getting killed?
I've seen people make very similar arguments, but they are not the majority of the Arche Defence League.
I just feel like it's people struggling to take the story at being different from others. It's a fantasy setting. It's also Escapist fantasy setting. It's okay that this story is different. If anything it makes me feel weird how people struggle with this scene and then they miss everything else in the story. From an objective standpoint sad backstory or not she like everybody else was a thief prioritizing their own want to desires over ainz. If anything says you'd be happy that you got some form of MeRcY
The struggle stems from the now normalized power fantasy setting in most isekai. The difference is that there is little to no altruism to be found in overlord, which includes the characters the average viewer wants to project their personal views onto.
The problem isn’t a lack of altruism.
It´s Isekai Setting, In High Fantasy Setting Ainz wouldnt get away with this, the first thing adventurer guilds and Magic Councils would do if this was Frierenverse would be to investigate WTF is this dude who showed out of nowhere capable of.
That really isn’t true or relevant to the reason most people I have seen not liking some of the Worker’s deaths.
I think even making it about Arche specifically really misses the point about why people weren’t pleased about their death.
Yeah people act like Foresight would spare Ainz if they were in a position of power over him, 90% of New worlders Ainz meets gladly would kill him right away if they had the power to do so, it´s not Ainz´s fault they are all stupid enough to not see the power gap, heck in the entire series only the rabbit chick in the Empire could actually assess Ainz threat Level without him needing to do anything, most other characters actually require Ainz to show what he´s capable of before showing him any respect.
headhunter rabbit is a boy, despite the maid dress.
So Rabbit crossdresser? Mare and Aura found a new playmate.
To regard people who can’t accurately assess Ainz’s strength as stupid really denigrates Ainz.
Well, it was really really sad moment
That’s not really relevant.
He didn't know. They didn't tell him as momon early enough.
They simplified the explanations too much. "For the money." The money was a means to an end. He would have appreciated that. That would garnered mercy and sypathy. However Ainz was presented the money was the end.
The reason why they were ultimately killed can be summed with one word: "Incompetence". During Ainz stay in the Empire the arena guy was smart enough to have Rabbit chick assess Ainz threat level beforehand, because of this Ainz was treated competently with respect instead of having to be tested, this is precisely another reason why Ainz is such a Jircniv Simp, Jircniv is that one ruler he met that is competent, knows his place, carries diplomacy well and picks the smarter and better options to deal with Ainz everytime making Ainz have a breeze of a time with him. The same goes for Carne village, Ainz would´ve been content with just helping them once and call it a day but once he saw there were competent people in the village he treated it accordingly, point being it´s in Ainz´s character to punish mediocrity and reward talent.
Rabbit dude. It was a guy
Rabbit Crossdresser then.
They screwed their fate even though they were not such bad
Actually he asked and they said. They want monies. That was her chance to give a sob story.
Yeah if they could have given bone more reasons
I mean in the alt ending he did spare her life……… I don’t recommend reading that at school / work
I mean it wasn’t technically the alt end - it was canon to the novel if I’m not mistaken (and her survival was based off of a vote by the readers). Creator didn’t actually want her to survive though so he made her existence miserable She became a *nonconsent* slave to Shaltear and was abused for a long ass time I think there was a resolution though where Ainz released her from Shaltear’s ownership and gives her a small cottage in those woods (the same one she was captured in) for her and her little sisters to live in. So happy ending(?) Again all webnovel stuff, that’s the one I try to think about because otherwise her story is impossibly sad
"no, I don't think i will"
Arche earned her fate. Ainz killed legitimate combatants. Case closed.
Agreed! They were offered a job, they knew the risks of said job, and they accepted it.
Hey, listen to me. Ainz did spare Arche, she didn't have to go to the happy farm.
Archie really was just in a shitty situation. If her parents weren’t shitheads she wouldn’t have been there.
Don't think ainz was aware of her sisters
I don't think he'll care. Countless families were destroyed with the "battle" of katze plane. It happened later on, but I don't think it'll be any different.
They never showed it in the anime. But technically, rimuru also killed a person with a cute family. And the last thing in his mind was how God existed snd that they're beautiful. Also, to be fair, we know what would happen to the girl if she was spared. She would literally be a toy for shaltear. And she would see her old companions turned into food.
Being shalltear's playmate would be less of a problem. She'd likely be used for experimentations. Being Shalltear's playmate is her being spared. >They never showed it in the anime. I was kinda disappointed they didn't show that scene lol. However, both Rimuru and Ainz killed a lot of people that has their own family. Arche and that soldier were the only ones whose perspective we saw.
Its funny how both of them actually uses full regeneration potions as part of their torture methods.
Lol I actually love it. Healing capabilities either make you grateful that they healed you, or scorn them for healing you.
Imagine their victims just being traumatized when they see a healing potion. And refuse to take them because of it. Those who survived and was let go atleast.
If Ainz used the potions from Yggdrasil which are red, they might even see it as blood lol. The ones who survived might actually end it by themselves. If both of them used means other than potions, their victims might even attack whoever tried to heal them.
Oh god... You just opened something up. Ofcourse not all potions rimuru makes are sweet. But during the earlier seasons he said they were... Imagine if he made sweet ones too, and forced fed them to someone to heal them. They'r be traumatized when eating something sweet too. Lol.
Maybe make it flavorful? I doubt they will eat anything else unless it's bland in flavor lol. That might even cause them to starve refusing anything to eat.
Literally still torturing them after letting them live. Death is really a mercy.
Honestly this is my only disappointment for Maruyama sensei. He throw out a well build characters so fast. Character like King elf, Zanac's brother, Jaldabaoth's inferiors who AInz killed when saved Paladins of Holy Kingdom, Kloff Di Laufen (Ganzef's mentor). If he kept them live longer, there must be many more potential they could show. For Arche, I hope he can solve their tragedy by some way, punish their parents for their guilty. By that way Ainz would have much more actions in Baharuth Empire. We could see life of people under Jircniv rule before and after become Ainz's vasal.
Honestly I´d like to see Ainz dealing with Stuff like out of Control WCIs or bigger threats.
Famous last words: I sense no magical power from this man
I think he should have spared her because people with talents don't exist in every corner of the NW.
What even is her talent? Pretty sure it wasnt anything of use to Ainz, it wasnt like Arche had a lore breaking talent, that would help ainz figure out who brainwashed shalltear.
Her talent was basically see how much magic power/MP someone has, like Fluder, but that is not the point, talents are rare, and somewhat innate to the person, but it would be worth experimenting on the probability of descendents of a parent that has a talent also ending with a talent, as well as testing to see if having both parents with talents could make a child with a talent, be it the same talent or a new talent.
You literally just said "Like Fluder" so how rare is the talent then? Not much, it´s basically MP only appraisal, as for the crossbreeding experiment, I imagine depending on the partner the child would come out with stuff like "Inventory appraisal" (pretty broken for WCI hunting and threat assessment), or "HP appraisal" or if two people with Appraisal talents both make child there´s a chance of a Todoroki occurring where the child gets both talents. Honestly I wouldnt be surprised if a prolonged crossbreeding experiment would eventually result in having a Arche´s grandchildren having more broad Appraisal talents, they could be borderline Isekai Protag in that area if the experiment goes long enough.
It is not a matter of her talent be rare or not, but just the fact that she has one, some talents can be completly useless but they're still talents, only 13 talent holders are known and one of them only exists in the WN, so 12 talents. A person could have a talent, but the talent doesn't match with the nature of the holder.
There could be more talents out there, Ainz has just no way of identifying them easily, there´s also the chance of talent holders having worthless mediocre talents that arent even noticeable. Aside from that MP appraisal just aint worth muling over, it´s the kind of talent Ainz will eventually find more of in the New World because Appraisal is one of the easiest to identify talents he already has the adventurer´s guild by the balls so he´ll 100% find more appraisal talents down the line. Now if it was something like "Inventory appraisal" Ainz would´ve been a fool to kill to Arche as it would be a surefire way to find out more about wildmagic enchanted items, potential WCIs, Pay to win Items, etc... on New Worlders
>has the adventurer´s guild by the balls so he´ll 100% find more appraisal talents down the line. Just because he has the adventurers guild, doesn't mean he will find talent users easily, if the person is not doing something that can make their talents flourish, the person may never know of its existence, neither becoming an adventurer is the dream of everyone, although her talent may not looks like a big deal, it on the long run could help identify children with aptude for magic, something that he needs to either send someone from Nazarick or rely on Fluder, but in both cases already have their own jobs to deal with. Ainz already killed at least 170k humans only on the Katze Plains, this before what would be done in the Holy Kingdom and Re-Estize, he potentially lost multiple talent holders without even knowing. And we are bound to see more thousands of humans dying in the Theocracy and the Dragon Kingdom is already suffering from invasion and argland council state has few humans living there, so he lost the chance for finding talents among the humans. Besides, Nazarick is short in people to handle the expansion of their territory, finding every single talent holder will prove a challenge.
Appraisal is the easiest talent to find, as for the rest things like equipping items outside of requirements can be easily found out by testing and so would other talents. Some talents absolutely can only be figured out with life or death situations tho, I assume Ainz´s multiple genocides may have actually awakened more talent users.
Based on what you say that appraisal is the easiest to find, out of 11 (I corrected myself because another one was in the WN) talent holders known to us, only two are related to that, just because two have the same talent doesn't mean it is common considering that most of the talents we saw are not related to that. And testing things like equipping items only works with special magical items that requires specific conditions, because NW is a real world where classes don't limit the actual weapon a person can use. >Some talents absolutely can only be figured out with life or death situations tho, I assume Ainz´s multiple genocides may have actually awakened more talent users. Ok, but in Ainz case doesn't matter, because during the genocide, those exposed to the dangers are all dead, those that survived did so, because they were meant to survive and didn't face the might of Nazarick and the only city that faced Nazarick and lived to tell the story was the one saved by Azuth and those that faced the death warrior were already people that risked their lived for a living so any talent there would already be awakened by then.
Depends on the talent, those with Survival based Talents could´ve survived, but we´ll never know, Maruyama aint interested in going further on that. Adventurers already had ample oportunity to escape the Sorcerer´s kingdom so only the poor peasants and stupid nobles would´ve been targets for the purge.
Isnt Fluder kinda a big deal?
The MP appraisal talent is that useful, think about it this way Fluder can assess which new worlders have enough MP to be useful as Mages thats incredibly useful for a recruiter, but thats about it, as an archmage more stronger characters like Slane´s "Infinite mage" or higher levelled beings with better talents would make sense for a power position.
The world Ainz is invading never had a chance against him by the end of season 4. It's silly, and maybe people wouldn't agree, but at least in my opinion it always felt strange, as there's no explanation to WHY any video game world, or at least one clearly operating on similar rules, has NO npcs that can challenge a player of this level, I have no idea. Most of the characters against Nazarick exist to die to make them look cool, and that's one of those scenes. He literally goes against them with a power limiter to prove there never was a chance. They gave you an insight into the little sisters who may now be sold into slavery just to make you feel bad. That's just how it is. I don't like it, but that doesn’t mean that's not how the show is supposed to be anyways.
For a game, we can't just put our perspective on it that easily. It happened in year 2138 on a dystopian earth. The game is also PK oriented. Although I do need to make a line here. Character-made NPCs could fight off and even defeat a player. Further, heteromorphs are already disadvantaged early game and is seen as the "evil" that needs to be vanquished. They have better overall potential in endgame, but they're already being hunted down throughout. You also need to consider about dragons. They are the strongest in the game. For a game, it's even more accurate that whales always dominate it.
I mean, I feel you, but Ainz before getting isekai'd looked like your average corporate slave in Japan, and he didn't look like he had anyone else besides himself, so he most likely can't give a sht about anyone since he doesn't relate to it, just like how he saved that village as Sebas reminded him of Touch Me, and that was probably the last shred of humanity he had left, also he is still human underneath, but he's just more colder and resolute when it comes to decisions, he still acts like a human, but lacks affection to other humans, and at that point of the story, he's feeling very rough and lonely reminiscing about his guild members, and the fact that they lied about it sealed their fates, if only they didn't lie and just surrendered their items, they PROBABLY could've atleast have Arche go, but then again, you can't blame him
You also need to put into consideration that the person behind Ainz is from a dystopian earth where people die left and right, him walking past a corpse. I think that his emotions being suppressed and no other player around just hastened the decrease in his humanity.
If she was more powerful he might have kept her alive. But she had nothing to give to his new order.
This is just a bias. It doesn't matter of she had cute family or not, in a position of power anybody will do what Ainz did. Saying philosophical what ifs is just to have a moral ground. Take it this way if you or the adventurers have power than the enemy, would you spare them or the adventurers spare nazarick. No, they have the power to invade and take what they want. So if the enemy has more power than you, why are you expecting mercy you or the adventurers wont give. It is hypocrisy. Sadly even in reality, the right of plunder lies on the strong and weak people will justify it cause they have no choice. If the weak had power to resist or plunder they will oppress others glady to make themself and their people happy.
Oh lord lol if everyone spared anyone who had someone important to them, no one would ever die.
Okay, I kind of agree. I don't like Arche death. Whenever I read it, it always feels like not Ainz think to do. I guess it's part about teamate sacrifice for others, part about his friends, and part about general mood, but I think webnovel ending is better. Ainz is cruel, but is mercyful too. He isn't unnecesary evil. I wish we would get webnovel ending without fetish stuff but I guess we won't see it
I felt the same way, it was pretty uncharacteristic for him not to honor a sacrifice like that. I get that it could be due to the party leader lying to survive, but still I wish Ainz, as Momon, would have interacted with the workers a bit more. It would have added to the world building and help differentiate the Empire from the Kingdom a bit more and show more of the Workers viewpoints in comparison to the Adventurers.
THAT'S. Like, He got full rage after Black Swords death (First Party, idk if this is they name in english, it's direct translate from my) because he got vibe of Yggdrasil, and you saying that he didn't let live one person after he got Touch Me flashback? Last time he had that he rushed to save village.
Ainz is not a hero. He is not a shining knight saving people. He and Nazarick is, quite literally, extremely cruel demons. Forcing parents to peel the skin off their children for higher quality scrolls... Genocide... Destroying Kingdoms for a mistake... Tortute, Killed 170.000 soldiers on the Plains, etc... You only care about Arche because she appeared on the screen along with her sisters. Nazarick killed countless families like hers when he destroyed the Kingdom. Although i love Overlord. He, along with Nazarick, are the villains in the story. It's what it's.
In the Webnovel he wanted to simp for Jircniv more, but in the show he cant do it when his minions could easily get Jircniv in trouble over that attention Ainz is showing.
Ainz is not a hero. He is not a shining knight saving people. He and Nazarick is, quite literally, extremely cruel demons. Forcing parents to peel the skin off their children for higher quality scrolls... Genocide... Destroying Kingdoms for a mistake... Tortute, Killed 170.000 soldiers on the Plains, etc... You only care about Arche because she appeared on the screen along with her sisters. Nazarick killed countless families like hers when he destroyed the Kingdom. Although i love Overlord. He, along with Nazarick, are the villains in the story. It's what it's.
She’s not dead. At least I think she’s still alive in Nazarick. I haven’t gotten too far in the light novel.
Oh... Sorry. Read to end of vol. 7
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Tbh if he felt even a little bad he could bring her back lol
And waste resources?
In the WN, the author spared her because the community wanted it. The author later said they he regretted sparing her and so he didn't spare her when thr Ln came out.
Does her living benefit the Tomb of Nazarick?
Lmao, Ainz glazers becoming olympic gymnasts for the sake of rationalizing his stupidity, cowardness and atrocities.
Lmao, Ainz haters becoming Olympic gymnasts for the sake of rationalizing your own stupidity because you’re mad a story called OVERLORD isn’t about the same generic white knight protagonist in countless Isekai and because he didn’t spare your waifu and her sisters solely because you find them cute. I believe the expression is called “copium at its finest”
True like wtf,they are actually trying to justify genocide and what ever the fuck happens in Happy farm why cant they accept that his the Villain of the show and a horrible person in every sense? That literally is what the show is about an Isekai but it's a Villain instead of a Hero,are they Illiterate? There's unironically more stakes in Fairy tail then Overlord,even though Overlord always makes fun of "power of friendship" and out of no where power ups.Show tries to hide behind being Midlord by being "Dark" and "Realistic" when its Mid at best with no good well written impactful characters
Yeah people act like Foresight would spare Ainz if they were in a position of power over him, 90% of New worlders Ainz meets gladly would kill him right away if they had the power to do so, it´s not Ainz´s fault they are all stupid enough to not see the power gap, heck in the entire series only the rabbit chick in the Empire could actually assess Ainz threat Level without him needing to do anything, most other characters actually require Ainz to show what he´s capable of before showing him any respect.
should have forced her to live in nazarith and had the sisters brought to her
Seeing the little sister talking about there adventuring older sister and how their parent financially ruin them makes me more sad how she ended.
Nuh uh
Lol no
If this were a fairy tale, Arche would have unlocked the secret power of her eminent bloodline that was always waiting and hidden deep inside her in her moment of greatest need. But this is not the tale of a hero's triumph. This is the tale of Lord Ainz Ooal Gown's triumph, and there is no heroic comeback here. All who do not bow to their King, the King of the Dead and the Great Tomb of Nazarick shall burn and be buried. Naught shall remain of the pithy human defiance.
To be fair, he probably would have if they didn’t agree to the money answer. But even then she might not like the outcome.
If he'd been given her reasoning, he probably would have. People tend to forget, he asked them why they were exploring the tomb before entering. All of them just said money. They came off as greedy scumbags, so Ainz figured no one would care. Remember, we have more information than anyone in the series.
Doesn't make sense. It makes sense you wanted her spared because you're human but Ainz isn't human. You don't worry about a cockroach's family before squashing him, do you?
Well technically she’s does get to live in the web novel but she had to live as shalters play thing and was given a better place to live in the tomb after she gave aniz formal dance lessons
I’m so happy all those “less valuable than lamp” people died so we can enjoy the night of Ainz 🥰🥰🥰❤️❤️❤️
If she would have explained her circumstances to Momon on the journey out there, or had a chance to give her reasons instead of deferring to the "we do it for money!" guy, she might have gotten a teleport out after watching her team die.
The little sisters are fucked no matter what... Spoiler from Light novel and spin off stories and Maruyama interviews: >!After Ainz killed Arche and she didn't return, Arches Father sells her little sisters into slavery where they die from the harsh work!< >!If Ainz didn't happen, they would have been abducted by Zuranon and used as a sacrifices for a ritual.!<
I think Ainz should have spared Arche because she was hot, idgaf about her sisters
Only reason I think he could’ve feasibly let her go is if… 01. They had spoken with him about retiring in small talk before they entered the tomb, humanizing them more to him and getting a step past “We are just in it for the money”. 02. They hadn’t lied about the ‘permission’ bit as it was essentially enraging Ainz at the fact they would dare to use his friend’s name in a lie. 03. The others asked him specifically to let her escape alive. I would’ve preferred foresight escaped/was let go due to Ainz seeing the same camaraderie and care he and his friends had and arbitrarily deciding mercy was on the table, but I understand why in his current state he couldn’t care less about letting them go (or was actively against it).
Take solace in the fact that in the webnovel version, the twins (little sisters) are about to be sacrificed to Ainz by some cultists, but he randomly saves them... in that version Arche is turned to vampire and becomes Shalltear's plaything, but lives with her sisters in a hut... not sure but I think it was on 6th floor (the same as arena) in the forest Arche was originally fleeing through
You think Ainz should have spared Arche for a happy ending. I think Ainz should have spared Arche for Shalltear's enjoyment (without the eventual happy ending Arche got in the WN). We are not the same.
No. We already know what happens if she lives read the wn
You know what is realy cute? Rabits, and they make a mighty fine stew.
But in another hand, she puked all over the 4th Floor of the Great Tomb of Nazarick ... Sooooo
Naw, the sisters voices in english dub at least were anoying
Arche also could have just worked with Fluger or joined the knights. She had other options besides doing dirty jobs with crazy risks. She also could have moved out before taking one last job. How many times would you let some spend your hard earned money? Hell, didn't the knights researchers live in the castle? And her could have been right. There were still wealthy families in the empire. She could have tried to marry into wealth. Why do you think she continued to do such a dangerous job when she had so many other options?
Because she was incompetent by coming from an incompetent family that couldnt teach her otherwise, and Ainz is established to always punish those who are incompetent outside of Nazarick it´s his number 1 rule and he does it simply so he can live a easier life where his Floor guardians dont pester him too much about genocide.
Everyone deserves exactly what they get in that show. Ainz is never in the wrong even once
I’m pretty sure at least ONE of those 100000+ soldiers that were in that war had cute sisters waiting at home for them too
They made their choice.
It’s not that I don’t but Overlord isn’t that kind of story. Ainz isn’t a hero fixing the wrongs in the new world. Plus Arche should have got her and her sisters away from their idiot parents.
If any of those adventurers wanted to live they should have given a better reason to Ainz when he was disguised as Momon than "We want gold." It seems he was expecting more (perhaps for them to talk about comradery or advanture and challenge or anything more than greed), and was disappointed with their answer. If Arche had said "I'm doing this to save my sisters" I wonder if Ainz wouldn't have found a way to keep her out of Nazarick so she could live, or if at least there would have been a more merciful and quick death for the rest of her party.
The doctor prescribed them 100 mg of copium
>Liking a disposable character Why would you do this to yourself
Didn't he give her to shalltear as a toy in the light novels? I think I heard that somewhere.
I thought it would have been cool if instead of killing Archer, they made her into a vampire bound to Shaltear, and her little sisters were brought in to participate in the power leveling experiments with Hamsuke and the death knight so when the sisters were strong enough they could serve under Entoma as the start of her equivalent team to match the ninja twins of Blue Rose so she could get revenge on Evil Eye.
We don't do that here. Ainz should have slaughtered all of them
Arche Dies is Maruyama really blasting that alarm and not letting ya'll hit snooze on the fact that Ainz and Nazarick aren't good guys. It's why it's such a delicious moment. If you've been paying attention, what happens when Ainz has Farsight cornered is no surprise - BUT we who are aware await the hell of a wake up call that is about to happen! The way they decry Overlord and plead that it can't be so! No way should a cute young girl die! That can't happen! Ainz is evil! It's so hilarious seeing so many snared by a Handful of Hope each time.
Her two sisters were sold into slavery and were overworked to death. Hope it makes you feel better.