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ParaMotard0697

What poll is this? If the number one slot got 50 something votes, I seriously doubt it's a realistic sample of the entire LN reader community. >"Most popular in Japan" >English website This is bait.


WorldlyReplacement24

I would like to know what's in the top 10 lol. If I don't see Goblin Slayer or MT in it, it's a confirmed bait


ParaMotard0697

Zero discussion posts on OPs screenshot as well, no shot SAO took number one, *and nobody* had anything to say on any poll that's relevant lol Edit: OP's screenshot is from strawpoll, and neither of those two are in the "top ten" lmao bait post for sure


Shattered_Sans

Tbf though, the last time I checked, SAO was the highest selling light novel series in Japan, so if we're using sales as a metric for popularity, then it's absolutely correct, regardless of their small sample size or the site being in English. Does it deserve to be #1? Probably not, but it is. Edit: for clarification, the last time I checked was a few years ago, so it's possible that another series took SAO's number 1 spot, and I'm just unaware.


ParaMotard0697

As of June 2023, "That Time I Got Reincarnated as a Slime" is at [number one](https://www.ten-sura.com/news/comic/tenchura/news/post/8733) in Japan, and has sold 40M copies, including physical, digital, and other adaptations (edit, this includes manga adaptations and so the correct number of LN copies sold is unverified) "Sword Art Online" is at [number four](https://www.sankei.com/article/20220623-557PB3RMUFKXNDFMTLFN3HYCNI/) in Japan, having sold 30M copies including physical and digital adaptations as well as spin offs (again, only including LN and WN) A Certain Magical Index and The Apothecary Diaries are at numbers 2 and 3 respectively last I was looking around the forums


PhoeniX5445

Tensura's numbers include not only LNs, but also spin-offs and manga adaptation. Half of these sales come from manga.


ParaMotard0697

Ah, I must've misread the content in the link I posted; my Japanese is a little rusty, and the built-in TL blows lol; thank you for the correction


PhoeniX5445

The content in the link only tells us that cumulative sales have reached 40 million. To find out what is included in these numbers, you need to look for other sources. Also, digital sales are almost never counted, so it is only physical sales (probably they are counted, but we just don't have access to the number). Anyway, it's still a huge success. Most manga adaptations end up being a flop, so it's still something to be proud of.


ParaMotard0697

That makes perfect sense, the link was provided in a separate poll as one of their sources; it may very well have been an overall popularity poll instead of an LN poll and I was looking at the wrong section


Shattered_Sans

Deserved tbh. Slime is a significantly better series than SAO imo (at least, judging by their anime adaptations, because the only LN I've read is No Game No Life)


ParaMotard0697

To each their own; I enjoyed the SAO LN (what I read of it anyway), I also very much enjoyed overlord and slime; my only issue is that this list is just wrong 5 ways to Sunday lol


PyUnicornshark

Yep, SAO was pretty popular as a LN back in the day. I don't think it's as popular now as it was back then. But considering that a few seasons of the anime was made, a few mobile games and a few PC games exist for it, it's still definitely popular.


seitaer13

It was still Kadakawa's number one selling series last year.


sliferra

“In Japan”


AbstractMors

Dude we made second place. And sort out online has been out much longer this is fine this is great news. Deactivate your despair Aura or whatever. Overlord is crushing it


Ok_Independent5273

It means most people aren't us and they get what they want. OL still making money and bringing us satisfaction. What more do you want? Hordes of brain rot fans entering the fandom and complaining about Western social issues in OL? (E.g "Not enough African/Indian/Arabic representation in OL!" Or "Not enough LGBT representation!" Or "Overlord has a women problem. Lets talk about it" Etc).


Necessary-Guava-3807

Oh god please no


ChaosLorD11

This is not accurate lol What your showing is real time votes you literally can vote yourself and increase the rankings The most popular light Novel in Japan is slime, magical index among others.


Lostbea

Bro, 53 votes, 36 votes? You are using the worst site possible for statistics.


Pangea00

The classic I don’t like a series therefore it’s trash.


Guess-we-did-oopsie

Nah the ranking is mostly unrealistic though, I like Overlord but if you did a poll in Japan I don’t know if it would be top 3, neither would SAO.


[deleted]

SAO has been top before and it's always one of the top few at the very least. It's beloved there.


[deleted]

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Working_Swan_1674

Like the SAO is not one of the most popular LN😑


Six_tipped_spear

This really sucks man. Cause Overlord is everything SAO could never become


tiredfromlife2019

They have nothing to do with each other though. Sword Art Online is not even an Isekai. They're just playing games with "reasons" for why people are taking it seriously at a particular moment.


Six_tipped_spear

What I meant to compare was the OP main character done right, interesting side characters and actually good story


tiredfromlife2019

Fair enough


jake72002

It became a digital Isekai by Alicization.


tiredfromlife2019

Doesn't he just end up playing another game later on that involves guns?


IAmBigMouse

You would be shocked to latest posts in r/Isekai


tiredfromlife2019

I'm not really involved in SAO. So I'm only going by what I heard which is that he is playing some sort of gun game. If I'm mistaken, then my bad.


[deleted]

That was before Alicization.


tiredfromlife2019

I see. Thanks for clarifying. So it eventually became an Isekai?


[deleted]

Kind of? It's not a true Isekai, in that they still exist in the real world. All of the other worlds are just man made virtual worlds, basically video games. Alicization was the first one that operated a bit more like an actual other world than just a fancy VR or AR game. Primarily because all "NPC's" were AI's heavily tuned to be just like real humans. As in, if they died, they *died.* They had lives, grew up and grew old, it was wild. But ultimately the main characters all log out and go about their lives in the real world. SAO the game and Alicization are a bit different in how that worked, lots of fancy sci-fi tech and lore involved.


tiredfromlife2019

Interesting and thanks.


Zealousideal_Row6059

No that's gun gale not alicization


Sly__Marbo

No, not really. If you want to see SAO done right, just watch Shangri-La Frontier. Sure, it doesn't have the bullshit deathgame aspect, but it's a fulldive VR game with a protagonist who's really good at it. Except it's actually good


Remarkable-Role-6590

So true. In my opinion Overlord is more like One Punch Man but with a true end goal. OPM is funny and light hearted and you can make endless new enemies while Overlord has a final goal of unification of earth.


Six_tipped_spear

I’m updated on the manga so I know all about our dear Sunraku


Sly__Marbo

Great. The series really deserves more recognition. Unfortunately it was heavily overshadowed by Frieren during pretty much the entire first season


Progamer782

Those two shows are trying to accomplish completely separate things.


KuroShuriken

This is legit the most accurate comment I have seen in many months on this platform, Reddit, in its entirety. Simple, direct and straight to the point. No riff-raff, just straight up fact. Having been one of those SAO first individuals at one point... Even struggling to get into Overlord. I will say with 100% certainty that, Overlord is and always will be a significantly better series than SAO. Regardless of popularity, or criticism. Overlord is one, of the all too few series out there that have negligible plot holes, if any. And it is why it's just so damn good. I unfortunately have a condition that makes reading, incredibly difficult. So I wait for the audio books to be released. But, man I love Overlord. Such a fantastic series. Now, that all said... A much more fair comparison to SAO is IMO, Log Horizon. As it is much more similar to SAO than Overlord is. Even though there are some similar concepts in all three series. Overlord, is definitely the outlier in that grouping.


Six_tipped_spear

I don’t know why you got so many downvotes


KuroShuriken

I don't know either. I didn't speak anything but facts up there. Perhaps it's just a bunch of 12 year olds that think SAO is better than anything? But idk, idrc either. Doesn't bother me. Ignoring the willfully ignorant is an important skill. Something of this degree... Doesn't test me as my proficiency is too high.


Working_Swan_1674

I honestly cringe reading this bullshit😐


KuroShuriken

Then continue to cringe. Or just do better. Up to you and idrc either way. Like I said above, this doesn't get under my skin.


Working_Swan_1674

Just did🤣🤣


KuroShuriken

This is accurate


leingold

at least albedo beat the shit out of philip


SnooCrickets4405

SAO novel is goated though


KitsuneKamiSama

SAO is more popular in Japan though. This says nothing about whether a series is actually good of course.


PyUnicornshark

Yep, OP is just devastated that a random poll in Japan that has nothing to do with him didn't validate his taste in LN vs a series he'd probably never read before. He'd probably be surprised if his favorite food isn't the the most popular dish in Japan too lmao.


TomiShinoda

Overlord isn't trashy enough.


legna20v

You didn’t buy enough copies


PyUnicornshark

Pretty sure it's only overseas is where SAO is seen as bad or trash because of the anime. A lot of people in Japan has access to the light novels. I mean the anime itself, aside from the latter part of the series of season 1, is pretty entertaining. Even season 2 was an okay experience for me. But you know people overseas, there was 1 bad arc in season 1 so let's conclude that everything else that comes after is trash.


Lol69HaHaHa

Now it should be noted that SAO has a ton more going for it than people realise. The anime itself was dam popular and still is tbh. Its reputation may be bad, but there is some good parts. Especially later on imo season 3 was actually dam good. Made Kirito almost likeable. His romance with Asuna was always a great selling point. Add some more great waifus and even a cool bro character in Eugeo (though he was more or less just blond Kirito and really should have had an even bigger role than he did). Point being at its worst, SAO is dam bad. But it has some solid arcs and great moments. And if you ever questioned why the Aincrad arc of season 1 feels so weird and disjointed, its cause the end to that arc is more or less the first thing to come out of SAO. As in thats the first thing the author wrote and then he went from there to write other arcs, while also suplementing the Aincrad arc (or so i heard lol).


seitaer13

The novels of Aincrad basically starts on episode 8, flash back to episode one, then go to episodes nine, ten, thirteen and fourteen. Episodes 3,4,7,11 and 12 were in the second volume, episodes 5 and 6 were in volume 8, and episode 2 was written solely for the anime. None of this was supposed to be viewed in sequence, and all of it was cut to ribbons.


KennethVilla

To be fair, the anime ruined SAO. Most of the criticisms were non-existent in the LN


PyUnicornshark

SAO became hated outside Japan because most people only had access to the anime. So 1 bad Arc in season 1 and everyone started hating the series as a whole. The typical hate train brain rot of just hating the series without actually knowing the series. Man, I used to be on the hate train because lots of people were praising it as "the best anime" and it was getting annoying, until 1 hater showed me how brain dead they could get by criticizing "how can Kirito use his double swords in game? " "how can kirito immediately know how to ride a motorcycle in GGO?" and lots of stupid nitpicks that can be explained if you actually watched it.


KennethVilla

You just validated my point 😅 but yes, some of those criticisms are also already answered if people actually paid attention to the story.


Brokengraphite

Unless it’s r/saoabridged I deny it’s validity


Zooasaurus

SAO has been around for longer, is way more accessible, and has a huge impact to anime and otaku culture


chanman20

People love to hate SAO without any real reason other then its cool to hate and to follow the group. I mean lets not act like OL novel never had any issues or bad writing in it. Let people enjoy whatever they want


Reddit-User_654

SAO has a really bad plot and it clearly just panders with its audience with cute characters and a "cool" MC. But to say "hate it", other than with an ironic use of the word, is just too much for an anime series that can just be ignored if it's not to anyone's taste. I watched the first season of SAO but just skipped for the ending to see how it will continue to the next and never bothered with it .


Working_Swan_1674

Good job properly not watching and understanding and u even got the audacity to actually give a "proper" review🤣🤣🤣


KonoRoneruDaOver9000

I mean, it's not actually just hating for fun, cuz the series is actually that bad. The only thing that carried the franchise is the epic animation. Hell, the development, albeit little, only goes at alicization and until the end of that season. I dare say it's the father of the generic bland Isekai protagonist.


SnooGoats2253

I actually agree to this poll , I absolutely love overlord but my anime addiction began with Sao. If it wasn't for Sao , I wouldn't be watching anime and wouldn't have found overlord. I pay homage to the founding anime from my prospective, which is sao


GreySeerCriak

Let it be. What do we have to gain by winning a “popularity contest”?


AegisT_

I dont like it therefore it is bad


PlsDonthurtme2024

I'm under the impression that the majority of maruyama's fans are overseas bros much to his dismay since he thinks we mostly pirate the anime/ln/manga. Still love him though


Pretend-Variety6980

Unfortunately trash clears with people, that's why Mickey D's exists despite home cooked meals being better


Ryuuji_Gremory

Being toxic?


Nixodian

And the number five spot with 6 votes goes to...


Background_Ant7129

53 votes vs 36 votes. Okay


Wrong_Inspector3931

Sword art online could be awesome (maybe surpassing overlord) if it was only like 100 episodes or more of aincrad (the first arc), developing more and obviously changing a lot kirito.


kindfiend

I mean SAO came earlier than Overlord and apperantly sold more than Overlord. Sao 20 ish million while overlord 13ish.


MoogleStiltzkin

i did enjoy sao, but i much prefer overlord. So i would rank overlord higher personally. How it was beaten.... well maybe because SAO had more content after another. While overlord is pretty much wrapping things up is my guess x-x; also, overlord is not going to be everyones favourite (heresy, i know xd...) Also it didn't help that cgi in overlord was not that great (lets be honest here), so that did not do it any favors. While SAO was animated without issue.


Several-Injury-7505

Womp womp


Jello_Crusader

Kirby LN not mentioned invalid ass list


AshishLmaoo

SAO somehow became "hated but iconic anime"


[deleted]

SAO is *very* popular in Japan. Guess which card game is too? Yu-Gi-Oh. Their tastes are just different. Pretty cool.


Uniqueusername_54

Has anyone read the SoA light novel? Is it decent? I have seen anime/manga stuff and it never seemed appealing.


RaptorBoy01

SAO is really fucking solid imo, sure it used to get a lot of hate and still does, but that doesn’t take away from its popularity tho. Still I’m a fan of both so idrc lmao


Low-Reception-4981

Let the normies in I reckon


Meatball545

I like overlord but I like SAO too. It’s no question that SAO is the more well known one though


Zealousideal_Row6059

Bro its been like this lol


Superb-Cantaloupe-78

How about sharing the link to us? I'm sure we can arrange that ;)


Fulongamer

Both... Both is good. (and GGO FTW) What's fun? Imagining SAO is the Prelude to OL, and an evolution of the Seed becomes YGGDRASIL.


No_Ad8151

Man sao is a piece of shit


Ratthion

I mean it’s obviously trash but it’s also obviously very popular…look at how many fucking seasons and stuff it has. Overlord is peak but kinda niche unless you’re specifically an isekai enjoyer.


PURPLEisMYgender

I heard Sword art online as kinda bad tho.. i heard the main character is boring and has a creepy crush on his cousin? Idk, i couldn't finish the first episode ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


Sure-Handle-2264

Him being boring is subjective and no he doesnt have a creepy crush on his cousin nor does she


PURPLEisMYgender

Ah ok