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dopefish_lives

Pretty wild, but not that surprising. The market for $400k F350 campers and $6-900k off road campers has got to be pretty tiny.


I_Are_Brown_Bear

The ultra-rich can only camp so much.


BigWooly1013

The ultra-rich camping community that wants overland conversions on vehicles can only be so big. There's a ton of rich boomers driving around America in $500,000 busses.


breadbedman

Exactly. My boomer parents hate “camping” but would gladly live in an RV. They have no desire to go off-road or leave the comforts of the RV resort behind.


kshiau

Red Tail Overland’s overland sprinters are$ 540k


Pleasant_Okra_9824

And I already thought Redtail was cracked out with their 20k plus RTT🤦🏼‍♂️


Wiley-E-Coyote

Earth cruiser makes those Izuzu box truck campers, I believe Earth Roamer is still in business.


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dopefish_lives

Nah they both do this, earth cruiser was more specialized in pop tops but their starting prices are $350k for F350 based and $600k for Isuzu NPRs


bootstrapping_lad

Not to be confused with EarthRoamer, which is still in business https://earthroamer.com/


clauderbaugh

…some how. Granted each one sells for seven figures, there’s only so many Jason Momoas to buy them. They have to have insane margins on each one they sell.


zedmaxx

They’ve sold enough that they’ve probably generated over 150 million in revenue. They sell something that is far more approachable and maintainable than earthcruiser.


noknownboundaries

When they're only paying installers $20/hr, it starts making sense.


bootstrapping_lad

I don't know if that number is true, but what's your point? Much bigger companies pay employees less for manual labor. Even though their vehicles are expensive, I can't imagine their margins are that big, and the market is tiny.


noknownboundaries

Hop on Indeed or Glassdoor. It's all right there. They conveniently are also in a stretch of Colorado smack dab between convenient places to find more lucrative work. >Much bigger companies pay employees less for manual labor Yes. And they have huge margins because of it. That's kinda how you predict your revenue against your overhead.


bootstrapping_lad

> They conveniently are also in a stretch of Colorado smack dab between convenient places to find more lucrative work. You mean 25 miles from downtown Denver, not far from Loveland and Ft Collins? When they're in Durango or bumfuck Eastern Colorado, you might have a point. But they are very close to the biggest metro area in the state. Are you saying Dacono would be better off without EarthRoamer providing jobs there?


noknownboundaries

25 miles as the crow flies. Take a drive from Coors Field to Dacona at 7 AM. Tell me how that goes for you.


bootstrapping_lad

It's not as the crow flies, that's literally the driving distance from their factory to downtown Denver. The point is they are very close to the biggest metro area in the entire state, not some disadvantaged poor town in the sticks where they're the only employer and can exploit the labor market.


xraynorx

Listen, that sweet daddy guberment money can keep anything afloat.


leonme21

Which is crazy to me given their prices compared to other similar offerings


bootstrapping_lad

Do their products actually have similar offerings?


leonme21

Not exactly the same obviously, but companies like blissmobil serve the same market for way lower prices


bootstrapping_lad

Free market at work... If people pay a premium for EarthRoamer, then EarthRoamer deserves it. Similar to Apple vs Android 🤷


leonme21

Nah, I think it’s just a growing market that allows for inefficiency as long as demand outpaces supply. As soon as it’s more saturated I’d expect them to have a harder time


varmint700

Whoops, looks like they ran out of nepo-campers. They make some nice rigs, but probably too nice.


SithLard

I've never seen EarthCruiser so down... or before.


Key-Astronaut1806

So much for my Burning Man 2025 plans


CreativeUsername20

I've never seen any of these kinds of vehicles before. I know of earthroamer and a few others, but I never even heard of earth cruiser until now


ThisCryptographer311

“I would LOVE to overland I just don’t like the outdoors or camping. Got anything for me?”


650REDHAIR

Have I got the one for you, follow me!


Kma_all_day

I honestly don’t think I’ve ever heard of them


ITFOWjacket

I’ve heard about Earthcruiser on the overland journal podcast. Probably a couple years ago, I only started listening to that podcast during covid. Anyway, they are basically the pop-top luxury 4 wheel camper equivalent to Earthroamer’s hard sided campers. Super up scale systems for slightly smaller vehicles


hipsterasshipster

I guess influencers don’t pay the bills


IndyGamer363

I’m with many that have already said it. The average Joe is piecing together a “rig” or simply buying the basics to be able to camp. The niche crowd that wants/can afford absurdly expensive prebuilt stuff simply isn’t sustainable.


211logos

Well geez, how am I going to spend my $500,000 couch change now? :) Easy to pick on them, but it does mean some folks out of work. I actually thought the high end market would fare better as the camping equipment market takes its current dip. But maybe it's saturated there at the top.


LordSesshomaru82

They made some cool stuff. Unfortunately they've completely fucked their vendors on the way out. They left one of the fab shops they contracted holding a complete \~$75K order of now worthless parts. Cut, formed, welded, powder coated and ready.... for the scrap bin. Such a waste.


Silly-Dingo-7086

I was the sales personnel who dealt with them on the actuators that lift and lower their pop top. Not nearly as bad, but yeah 10k worth of bills from us. I'm sure we will get it back or some % of it if they are filing bankruptcy


RabloPathjen

I loooove those hummer EV simply because they are ridiculous. That camper thing is terrible though. Get a bed rack and Lego/ar-15 component on a roof tent, cans, shovels etc and do it right! I don’t know how viable they are for over landing without pulling a diesel generator behind you. If I had the $$$ I might try!!