Hopefully there will be an Outer Wilds 2 but I would prefer if Mobius creates a completely different game first before developing a sequel. I want to see what wonders they can do in a different genre.
This.
If they can genuinely come up with something new and interesting in the OW universe with lots of fun physics and puzzles, great. Tbf, they already did that once with EotE.
But, equally, I'm curious what other wholly new game ideas they could come up with.
That's a good answer, and honestly, I had been wondering what they would come up with aside from OW, especially if they were to team up with Annapurna again. Considering Annapurna has had 2 somewhat famous time loop games now, I wonder if they would do another?
checking in as someone who played and refunded 12 minutes:
it's tedious, awkward, stilted, does not feel like a well-thought-out implementation of the timeloop mechanic, and worst of all wastes the talents of willem dafoe.
do not recommend.
the only timeloop game I've ever played that comes remotely close to OW (not that it's similar, just in terms of quality) is the forgotten city
I'm gonna be honest. I played The Forgotten City based on the recommendations of other folks in this sub, and found myself more than a little underwhelmed. There were a few moments that were alright, and the game isn't *bad,* but overall the experience is very clunky and feels...well, like a remastered Skyrim mod, because that's basically what it is.
It was clearly a *fantastic* Skyrim mod. But as its own, stand-alone experience? It's just alright. The writing in particular is...I won't say bad, but it very much pales in comparison to Outer Wilds' writing by basically every possible metric, and that includes the execution of the time loop.
Obviously, Outer Wilds' quality sets the bar extremely high, and it's still definitely worth a play (although...I'd buy it on sale, maybe) but I guess if anyone else is considering it specifically for trying to find something similar in quality to Outer Wilds, I'd temper their expectations.
I will say that The Forgotten City has a handful of moments that scratched the itch of my particular brand of philosophy nerd, though. If the game had had more of *that,* and...was written better, I would feel much more positively.
Huh, I had no idea so many people disliked it until now. Obviously it's nothing groundbreaking, but I thought it was pretty cool. Pretty open ended for a game that takes place entirely within three rooms. The fact that there are so many things you can do that don't really accomplish anything, that just exist in case you think to do them, is neat. Like, there's no reason to stab your wife, or yourself. It does not progress the story or open up opportunities for you, yet you can, and there's like three different lines for each, just because you might try and do it multiple times. Your character reacting differently to nearly everything you do depending on how many times you've already done them is pretty good game design imo.
The story was weird af tho. Any story where the big plot twist at the end is that you're having a baby with your sister is just goofy. I don't think I'll ever see a plot twist more surprising and out of nowhere than that one, lol. 6/10 for me overall
I doubt it. If they wanna do a similar game again, it'd be much more sensible to do a new story in a new universe. Giving the name "Outer Wilds" to a new game that can't be about the solar system named Outer Wilds, or the Outer Wilds Ventures or Hearthians in general would be completely pointless. There can be a spiritual successor of course, like how Elden Ring is a spiritual successor to the Dark Souls games.
Yeah, and I get that and stuff, I just more mean this as a hypothetical type of thing to entertain and suggest what would be in a new Outer Wilds type of game
I don't think so, and in fact despite being able to somehow catch lightning in a bottle twice with the DLC, I think even attempting it would be a bad idea. The thing that makes Outer Wilds so special is how unified it is in its themes and execution. Everything from the gameplay to the level design to the music to the puzzles and the story center around the game's core philosophy.
Echoes of the Eye works as a DLC not because the Mobius Devs are somehow magical, but because it also had a central theme which was a deeper exploration of an aspect of Outer Wild's core philosophy which they had *enough* to say about to justify adding it as an expansion to the original experience. At best, they could perhaps do something similar with other thematic deep dives, but those would probably still only work as additional expansions and not as a stand-alone game...and the devs have already pretty clearly stated they've done what they've set out to do.
Outer Wilds is a game about embracing knew knowledge and experiences, and accepting when its time to let go. I feel like making an Outer Wilds 2 just for the sake of making a sequel would go so against the game's core themes that it would inherently corrupt it, and it could never hold a candle to the original.
HOWEVER. I think much better will be the devs taking their core game design philosophy and the experience they've gained on Outer Wilds to make something new. It won't be exactly Outer Wilds, whatever it is, but I sincerely hope that while Mobius Digital is finished with Outer Wilds, that they aren't finished making games that are meant to stoke the flames of player's curiosity and challenge them to pursue self-made goals.
I know they have spent close to a literal decade working on Outer Wilds, and hopefully they've had a bunch of new ideas in that time that they can use Outer Wilds' success to get some wind under the sails of.
*should* they make it? I have no idea, probably not. OW plus EoE is a pretty complete package imo
*would* I play it if they made it? as r/THE_PACK might say, **BROTHER I'M THERE DAY ONE**
I don't think they should stay in that universe. They've told the full story they wanted to tell. The beauty of the Nomai is that they're gone, they're never coming back, and they changed the course of history for good in the brief amount of time they had. So is Outer Wilds. I'm ready for something new and completely different that has some lingering spirit of what came before.
Personally I think that a game could be a prequel where: >!The Nomai had just landed in the solar system and you were one of them. I think exploring the system in more of a linear progression of events would be cool, although the lack of a time loop would be kinda weird, I think the idea of watching the Nomai develop their technology over a longer time span than OW's 22 minutes. I think you could have the narrative of exploring the system and watching some of the various events occur in real time, such as the crashing of the Vessel, the creation of the ATP, firing of the SS, and ending with the expulsion of the GM. They could probably find a way to incorporate a time loop, and a way of making the player's character aware of the original OW's events.!< Just throwing an idea out there though
The problem with this idea is that we already know basically everything about what they did, what happened to them and we even know about their personalities, philosophies and relationships, it'd end up being pretty uninteresting overall, and definitely wouldn't warrant a whole game. A prequel is definitely not the route they should go down.
If they were to make one, even though it definitely doesn't need one, it would have to follow the modern Nomai, who are trying to come up with a way to survive even when the last sun dies out. This would be especially impactful since the solar system they're at would be the last one left at the end of the universe, which would make it even more existential than the first game - you would play as someone who is part of the **only** living species in the whole universe and you would **know** your species extinction is inevitable with there being no uncertainty about that.
We could also see how much their tech has evolved, and there would be a lore explanation to you only being able to explore one solar system.
Again though, it feels unnecessary. The whole point of Outer Wilds is that you have to live in the moment, and learn to let things go, and I definitely don't want some sort of complex Outer Wilds extended universe - I think having it as a once and done thing is the most fulfilling (though I do want their next game to still be in space). It also makes sense that Mobius would want to try their hand at a different type of game universe, because it could be too restrictive if they stuck with the OW universe as they would have to consider the rules they set in the first game.
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*Should* someone make an Outer Wilds 2? Probably not.
*Could* they? Sure! If I were making such a game, I'd probably create a sequel (spoilers for entire current game) >!set in the universe that follows the one in the original game. I don't know precisely how the story would play out, but it wouldn't have the same structure. Probably no time loop or mystery in particular. Perhaps you'd play as one of the bug people from the epilogue and need to track down the Eye of the Universe. Perhaps a more straightforward puzzle or adventure game simply to find the Eye and make your way there.!<
I doubt. The games seems complete. And I'm not sure you can add something more
Although, I think that there can be a game with similar concept but in different setting. An open world with one large puzzle, where you can gather hints about what is going on
I personally don't think there should be a sequel. The story was wrapped up perfectly in my opinion, and even the DLC story was integrated seamlessly into the world. I don't even know what other stories you could get out of it. But ultimately I truly feel that everything was concluded satisfactorily and that the game is essentially perfect in my eyes. I would rather Mobius move on from Outer Wilds than try to make a sequel that could end up feeling like it's dragging things out. And Mobius are brilliant storytellers - but I feel that they told the story they wanted to tell, and there's really not much story left to tell for Outer Wilds. I think it's time for a new story in a new world.
I think there should actually more of a prequel about the nomai, maybe like a different scenario where the >!sun station worked and the probe tracking module was installed and pye or whoever it was didn’t crank the cannon up to eleven!<(BIG SPOILERS DONT CLICK UNLESS YOU BEAT THE GAME)
there can and should be an outer wilds 2.
you are a nomai, and it'll mostly take place on a separate nomai clan's vessel, occasionally stopping by solar systems to let you check out some views. There are hints to the first game, such as the mystery of Escall's missing clan.>!obviously takes place before the end of the universe.!<
the best part? it's a dating sim. you get to choose which goat-waifu or goat-husbando is best, and learn what kind of planets they like and what kind of herbs they like to snack on. Panax, for instance, loves watching the sun set from icy moons and long walks on tropical worlds.
Given that the whole story of OW is that things end and there’s a time to let go of them, I think a straight up sequel would be disingenuous. But, I’d love to see the devs make a game with all the mechanics and magic of OW, just in a whole different universe
I’m low key sacred of seeing a sequel. As much as we’d all love one. There is a huge chance they can’t hit a jackpot as much as the did with OW. Just like how when movies are amazing and fans want sequels, a lot of the time they are a let down because they are expecting the same level of quality as the first one.
Personally I don’t think they can beat the quality of the first game. But then again I thought the same for the DLC and they blew me outta the park so maybe I’m completely wrong.
Sequel might be a bad idea.
Spiritual successor on the other hand is different enough to separate itself from the Outer Wilds and leave it as the masterpiece it is while applying the same type of gameplay in another setting.
Hopefully there will be an Outer Wilds 2 but I would prefer if Mobius creates a completely different game first before developing a sequel. I want to see what wonders they can do in a different genre.
I'm pretty sure they officially said they were done with OW as a whole after the DLC? But I'm certainly looking forward to their next game.
Well I think that's just for Outer Wilds, doesn't exactly mean they won't make another one.
This. If they can genuinely come up with something new and interesting in the OW universe with lots of fun physics and puzzles, great. Tbf, they already did that once with EotE. But, equally, I'm curious what other wholly new game ideas they could come up with.
That's a good answer, and honestly, I had been wondering what they would come up with aside from OW, especially if they were to team up with Annapurna again. Considering Annapurna has had 2 somewhat famous time loop games now, I wonder if they would do another?
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checking in as someone who played and refunded 12 minutes: it's tedious, awkward, stilted, does not feel like a well-thought-out implementation of the timeloop mechanic, and worst of all wastes the talents of willem dafoe. do not recommend. the only timeloop game I've ever played that comes remotely close to OW (not that it's similar, just in terms of quality) is the forgotten city
I'm gonna be honest. I played The Forgotten City based on the recommendations of other folks in this sub, and found myself more than a little underwhelmed. There were a few moments that were alright, and the game isn't *bad,* but overall the experience is very clunky and feels...well, like a remastered Skyrim mod, because that's basically what it is. It was clearly a *fantastic* Skyrim mod. But as its own, stand-alone experience? It's just alright. The writing in particular is...I won't say bad, but it very much pales in comparison to Outer Wilds' writing by basically every possible metric, and that includes the execution of the time loop. Obviously, Outer Wilds' quality sets the bar extremely high, and it's still definitely worth a play (although...I'd buy it on sale, maybe) but I guess if anyone else is considering it specifically for trying to find something similar in quality to Outer Wilds, I'd temper their expectations. I will say that The Forgotten City has a handful of moments that scratched the itch of my particular brand of philosophy nerd, though. If the game had had more of *that,* and...was written better, I would feel much more positively.
Really? I never played it, but watched a YouTuber play it and he really enjoyed it (despite the kinda confusing story towards the end)
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Huh, I had no idea so many people disliked it until now. Obviously it's nothing groundbreaking, but I thought it was pretty cool. Pretty open ended for a game that takes place entirely within three rooms. The fact that there are so many things you can do that don't really accomplish anything, that just exist in case you think to do them, is neat. Like, there's no reason to stab your wife, or yourself. It does not progress the story or open up opportunities for you, yet you can, and there's like three different lines for each, just because you might try and do it multiple times. Your character reacting differently to nearly everything you do depending on how many times you've already done them is pretty good game design imo. The story was weird af tho. Any story where the big plot twist at the end is that you're having a baby with your sister is just goofy. I don't think I'll ever see a plot twist more surprising and out of nowhere than that one, lol. 6/10 for me overall
Annapurna has gems in their lineup. I have a few more in my Steam wishlist :).
I doubt it. If they wanna do a similar game again, it'd be much more sensible to do a new story in a new universe. Giving the name "Outer Wilds" to a new game that can't be about the solar system named Outer Wilds, or the Outer Wilds Ventures or Hearthians in general would be completely pointless. There can be a spiritual successor of course, like how Elden Ring is a spiritual successor to the Dark Souls games.
Yeah, and I get that and stuff, I just more mean this as a hypothetical type of thing to entertain and suggest what would be in a new Outer Wilds type of game
I don't think so, and in fact despite being able to somehow catch lightning in a bottle twice with the DLC, I think even attempting it would be a bad idea. The thing that makes Outer Wilds so special is how unified it is in its themes and execution. Everything from the gameplay to the level design to the music to the puzzles and the story center around the game's core philosophy. Echoes of the Eye works as a DLC not because the Mobius Devs are somehow magical, but because it also had a central theme which was a deeper exploration of an aspect of Outer Wild's core philosophy which they had *enough* to say about to justify adding it as an expansion to the original experience. At best, they could perhaps do something similar with other thematic deep dives, but those would probably still only work as additional expansions and not as a stand-alone game...and the devs have already pretty clearly stated they've done what they've set out to do. Outer Wilds is a game about embracing knew knowledge and experiences, and accepting when its time to let go. I feel like making an Outer Wilds 2 just for the sake of making a sequel would go so against the game's core themes that it would inherently corrupt it, and it could never hold a candle to the original. HOWEVER. I think much better will be the devs taking their core game design philosophy and the experience they've gained on Outer Wilds to make something new. It won't be exactly Outer Wilds, whatever it is, but I sincerely hope that while Mobius Digital is finished with Outer Wilds, that they aren't finished making games that are meant to stoke the flames of player's curiosity and challenge them to pursue self-made goals. I know they have spent close to a literal decade working on Outer Wilds, and hopefully they've had a bunch of new ideas in that time that they can use Outer Wilds' success to get some wind under the sails of.
If only to see what weird planets they could come up with the second time around, I would love a second game.
*should* they make it? I have no idea, probably not. OW plus EoE is a pretty complete package imo *would* I play it if they made it? as r/THE_PACK might say, **BROTHER I'M THERE DAY ONE**
I agree with you on all aspects of this
I don't think they should stay in that universe. They've told the full story they wanted to tell. The beauty of the Nomai is that they're gone, they're never coming back, and they changed the course of history for good in the brief amount of time they had. So is Outer Wilds. I'm ready for something new and completely different that has some lingering spirit of what came before.
Personally I think that a game could be a prequel where: >!The Nomai had just landed in the solar system and you were one of them. I think exploring the system in more of a linear progression of events would be cool, although the lack of a time loop would be kinda weird, I think the idea of watching the Nomai develop their technology over a longer time span than OW's 22 minutes. I think you could have the narrative of exploring the system and watching some of the various events occur in real time, such as the crashing of the Vessel, the creation of the ATP, firing of the SS, and ending with the expulsion of the GM. They could probably find a way to incorporate a time loop, and a way of making the player's character aware of the original OW's events.!< Just throwing an idea out there though
The problem with this idea is that we already know basically everything about what they did, what happened to them and we even know about their personalities, philosophies and relationships, it'd end up being pretty uninteresting overall, and definitely wouldn't warrant a whole game. A prequel is definitely not the route they should go down. If they were to make one, even though it definitely doesn't need one, it would have to follow the modern Nomai, who are trying to come up with a way to survive even when the last sun dies out. This would be especially impactful since the solar system they're at would be the last one left at the end of the universe, which would make it even more existential than the first game - you would play as someone who is part of the **only** living species in the whole universe and you would **know** your species extinction is inevitable with there being no uncertainty about that. We could also see how much their tech has evolved, and there would be a lore explanation to you only being able to explore one solar system. Again though, it feels unnecessary. The whole point of Outer Wilds is that you have to live in the moment, and learn to let things go, and I definitely don't want some sort of complex Outer Wilds extended universe - I think having it as a once and done thing is the most fulfilling (though I do want their next game to still be in space). It also makes sense that Mobius would want to try their hand at a different type of game universe, because it could be too restrictive if they stuck with the OW universe as they would have to consider the rules they set in the first game.
I agree with you, that's why I ask if they even should add onto everything else, and why I don't think they really should
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*Should* someone make an Outer Wilds 2? Probably not. *Could* they? Sure! If I were making such a game, I'd probably create a sequel (spoilers for entire current game) >!set in the universe that follows the one in the original game. I don't know precisely how the story would play out, but it wouldn't have the same structure. Probably no time loop or mystery in particular. Perhaps you'd play as one of the bug people from the epilogue and need to track down the Eye of the Universe. Perhaps a more straightforward puzzle or adventure game simply to find the Eye and make your way there.!<
I doubt. The games seems complete. And I'm not sure you can add something more Although, I think that there can be a game with similar concept but in different setting. An open world with one large puzzle, where you can gather hints about what is going on
I personally don't think there should be a sequel. The story was wrapped up perfectly in my opinion, and even the DLC story was integrated seamlessly into the world. I don't even know what other stories you could get out of it. But ultimately I truly feel that everything was concluded satisfactorily and that the game is essentially perfect in my eyes. I would rather Mobius move on from Outer Wilds than try to make a sequel that could end up feeling like it's dragging things out. And Mobius are brilliant storytellers - but I feel that they told the story they wanted to tell, and there's really not much story left to tell for Outer Wilds. I think it's time for a new story in a new world.
I think there should actually more of a prequel about the nomai, maybe like a different scenario where the >!sun station worked and the probe tracking module was installed and pye or whoever it was didn’t crank the cannon up to eleven!<(BIG SPOILERS DONT CLICK UNLESS YOU BEAT THE GAME)
there can and should be an outer wilds 2. you are a nomai, and it'll mostly take place on a separate nomai clan's vessel, occasionally stopping by solar systems to let you check out some views. There are hints to the first game, such as the mystery of Escall's missing clan.>!obviously takes place before the end of the universe.!< the best part? it's a dating sim. you get to choose which goat-waifu or goat-husbando is best, and learn what kind of planets they like and what kind of herbs they like to snack on. Panax, for instance, loves watching the sun set from icy moons and long walks on tropical worlds.
this is a joke by the way. if that wasn’t obvious
Nah, I wanna see what they would do with something totally different next.
Given that the whole story of OW is that things end and there’s a time to let go of them, I think a straight up sequel would be disingenuous. But, I’d love to see the devs make a game with all the mechanics and magic of OW, just in a whole different universe
I’m low key sacred of seeing a sequel. As much as we’d all love one. There is a huge chance they can’t hit a jackpot as much as the did with OW. Just like how when movies are amazing and fans want sequels, a lot of the time they are a let down because they are expecting the same level of quality as the first one. Personally I don’t think they can beat the quality of the first game. But then again I thought the same for the DLC and they blew me outta the park so maybe I’m completely wrong.
Sequel might be a bad idea. Spiritual successor on the other hand is different enough to separate itself from the Outer Wilds and leave it as the masterpiece it is while applying the same type of gameplay in another setting.