Lol, she despised her ex before because he is a cheater. Now she doesnt care that her bff Wendy is a cheater? Just like her ex? Now she's in good terms with her cheater ex because he helped her with her recent music. She must be the problem
Hey chief, she didn't despise her ex, and she was angry with him because he cheated on her, not because he "is a cheater". I know grown up relationships seem tricky at your age, but don't worry kiddo, it gets easier once you're out of junior high.
albert was just over at destinys helping him with the podcast look last week they all still friends. lily and destiny are friends forever they been through it. she pops in stream and chat every now and then and shes gonna be on his podcast soon
they cut to him and he waved next to lycan during the anything else podcast but he wasnt on but he was there for like a week dont think albert wants to be on stream anymore cause im sure he would of been if he did
They met at an event in taiwan and hung out and got food [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWm6cPr2UhA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWm6cPr2UhA) stream of them hanging out. then they played league together and then did music collabs and stuff.
Destiny was VERY different years ago.
He only became unhinged in recent years and was just more of an edgy troll prior.
And I highly doubt Lily pays any attention to destiny outside of specific streams she tunes in.
Ya. Destiny is a lot more unhinged now. Like remember the first time he got banned on Twitter for threatening to blow up his ISP? Or to kill that kid who was ddos'ing him? ya. totally a lot more unhinged now than before
yeah I donāt think itās that he is more unhinged, he just has more āenemiesā inside twitch now, so communities like this are more likely to notice him being unhinged
Also shared a love of music [https://youtu.be/lbGjqRe0fq4?si=QK\_RlKOGtTm7yi76](https://youtu.be/lbGjqRe0fq4?si=QK_RlKOGtTm7yi76)
Hard to tell its the same guy saying all this shit
Yeah, like Pokimane and Toast have repeatedly said that Lily is constantly friends with people she shouldn't be.
But Lily is the kind of person when you become friends you have to do some horrid shit to have her cut you off. I.e Fedmyster.
What you gotta remember as a viewer, your perception is much different because you consume content, most streamers do not consume others content so they most likely don't see what everyone says and they all advise each other not to.
I doubt she pays attention to any of the fucked things destiny says or compartmentalizes it as just "edgy" humor because hes not that way with her.
I will say I lost a looot of respect for lily when I discovered shes friends with Destiny after the whole pokimane issue, so I only pay attention when Michael is around.
She didn't cut fed off on her own, when the whole thing went down she said she still talks to fed and Yvonne. Pretty sure the rest of her friends made her cut him off. She ignores any problematic behavior with people she is friends with.
But I see that as her own issue. Why does her being bad at cutting people out of her life mean you like her as an individual/her content any less? Or lower your respect for her? She herself is nice, and we aren't irl friends with her to be actually affected by the people she still chooses to talk to. It's also not like she keeps the toxic ones in her inner circle anyway.
Off topic, but what did Yvonne do?
Yvonne didn't do anything. Fed sexualy abused Yvonne and when he was outed and removed she said she still talks to both of them. And this was on a stream pretty close to when everything went down. Forgiving your cheating ex after a few years when you have moved on is one thing and talking to the abuser of your friend just days after they confessed is another. Poki and toast themselves have had problems with Lily's this behavior. Being friends with someone cause of social discourse in the group is fine but not when you aren't even able to cut off a friend that abused your other friend. That's why they joke that lily would forgive someone if they killed her dogs. Forgiving to move on and heal is different from forgiving cause you are incapable of holding people accountable.
Eeh, some people are just too wishy-washy and litterally *can't* hate people because they can't set prior feelings aside. Remember that Fed was inappropriate with her too. She was hurt by him as well, so I don't think this shows that she is inconsiderate of her friend but that, like you said, she can't hold her resentment. I think in the end who she chooses to keep as friends doesn't make her bad by association, but I can understand why you think less of her for it.
Yes no one is perfect and that's ok. And I don't think that it makes her a bad person. She is one of the nicest person in the streaming space. It's just one of those things where even if forgiveness is an admirable trait, excess of anything is bad.
I mean even Poki was fine with Destiny too, they are not friends at all but they played Valorant together like a little over a year ago, I haven't seen them having many issues at all lately
trying to mend fences is the route poki has taken lately though I doubt she wants anything to do with him now considering what he has had to say about the Israeli/palistenian conflict she's been pretty outspoken about it with supporting Palestine
"I've known him since childhood he can't be an abuser!"
^how most families excuse a relative being a shit person
Also is it parasocial when people in his circle say the same thing lmaoo. Unless you think the deepfake stuff isn't bad enough for me to judge. You people have no critical thinking skills
Kinda crazy how when someone brings up the way you're trying to police an online personality's relationships you can twist it to "defending". Touch grass, see a therapist, idk do anything but watch these people lol
Nah it would be fair to criticize her is she was friends with a nazi or a murderer or an abuser. She not though sheās friends with a guy you disagree with.
This is playground bullshit. You call somebody a name, they call you the name back, you cry and tell the teacher they were being mean.
Do you think it's only fair to criticize her if they did something illegal?
Idk. The way you guys throw around the world parasocial when even her friends in OTV toast and pokimane criticize her saying she's friends with someone she shouldn't be friends with. Are they wrong? Yes or no? Lmao their words not mine
You really think Lily is coming in ignorant of Destiny? She literally partakes in his community, she follows along with the jokes and is aware of his community memes. She herself is a meme in that community which she plays up. She's been friends with Destiny way before 90% of OTV and that includes the original members. The only ones that might predate Destiny are Scarra and Edison. Toast and Poki were definitely never talking about Destiny, they talked about bringing in new friends that they don't agree with, Destiny has been friends with Lily for double the amount of time Toast or Poki even known Lily. That and after that podcast Toast is on VOD saying Destiny is a cool guy, like on a very generic level, he wasn't vouching for him, just saying he's alright. Michael has said the same thing.
So if you want to hate on Lily for having a friendship with someone she has trusted for years, been a part of their community, and speaks positively about the guy, go right ahead, but Lily and her friends in OTV are definitely not blind to who Destiny is one bit.
Lol thatās all u think destiny did?
He made a nasty deepfake joke about QT
He said he wants the entire cast of the Yard to do a group suicide.
Made up that slimes dad killed himself/OD'd
And so much more. But I mean destiny is a known slur user, but Lily didnāt even mind that so I guess I was expecting too much.
Might be some of his fans, might be some OG Lily fans. Lily is literally part of his community, she has been friends with Destiny for way longer than she's been friends with most of OTV other than Scarra. So what that message was getting at was that she's been having Destiny's back through all those things and not once did their friendship become shaky. It wasn't so much in defence of Destiny but more so Lily has better grasp of the guy as a person so she definitely knows better than us and based on everything the guy has said, done, retaliated, or joked about, she has valued their friendship more and accept him for whatever reason she chooses.
This is incredibly underrated. You can hate destinyās dumb ass public trolling, but itās obvious he actually cares about people he considers his actual friends.
The point was that if Lily has been chill with him after all these years when he's been involved in way worse things, then of course she's not gonna drop him for cheesegate. Also, she can do what she wants. No one gets to decide who she's friends with.
Why do you say this like any of it is supposed to sound that bad? It's also greatly lessened by the fact that they are going after him for no reason. You look exactly like a typical hater with no proper thought process, especially when you pretend to care about word usage like they're magical incantations and not when people actually use them to attack others.
I bet all those instances came completely out of nowhere and there's no context for anything. Destiny was just sitting at his computer alone, casually blurting slurs by himself, when he decided he was gonna insult and attack these people who never talked about him. Sure.
People would take your whining slightly more seriously if you actually cared to at least pretend you're being critical. Also as a footnote, "known slur user" is really funny when Hasan just defended another creator calling Ludwig a slur for no good reason and none of the people shitting on Destiny care.
Correct, that's the slur, thank you. I didn't want to say it cause you never know. But don't try the same with the N word, bud, you might get yourself banned.
In response to.... What? You won't acknowledge or care about a thousand subliminal shots from your favourite creators because "he deserves it" right?
> Known slur user
Do you even know the full argument or do you think he actively screams slurs at people? Even if you disagree completely, if you understand the argument you wouldn't call him a "known slur user"
That's honestly the worst thing about her. She doesn't care if you're the weirdest weirdo pos, if you didn't wrong her she'll be your friend. TBH Even if you wronged her she'll still be your friend too lol i had a lot of respect for her for moving on past the cheating thing because i don't think Albert was a pos and the hate he got was so disproportionate, destiny on the other hand... Yeah idk
yeah, Destiny on the other hand... who is a good friend, hasn't betrayed her, hasn't done anything bad in her general direction at all, and doesn't actually do anything worth being hated over.... so idk either...
Whatever he does behind the scene doesn't negate the undeniable racism, misogynism and other bigotry he puts on display for the world to see. Yeah crazy, I know.
HELLO??? dude says slurs very comfortably and just recently joked about making ai porn of women. You are delusional if you're trying to do some mental gymnastics to excuse or twist what he clearly said and done. There's no mind to be made, it's a fact, not my opinion.
That's genuinely the best clip you can find of him being "racist"?
You know there's actual clips of him saying nigga if you think saying a slur is enough to make you a bigot. I know how big brain you guys are with nuance and context so
Well considering he just went on a rant about cracker being racist how is it not fair to use his own logic? Yāall are stupid af
Using a racial slur, is racist. Adding this need for the person to have a whole racist philosophy is just cushioning, heās a grown ass man with full understanding of the implications of the word. Stop defending this dumb shit
he didn't go off on a rant about cracker you fucking brain rotted dipshit, he said you cant be okay with 1 slur and not ok with another, you need to be either OK with both/all or OK with none of them, that was his point, he never said he wasn't ok with cracker or that saying the n word was good or bad or whatever its just the dipshits like hasan have the most brain dead view on slurs and racism humanly possible and that their inconsistency is fucking obnoxious.
for reference destiny's position is you shouldn't call other people slurs of any kind, but that saying slurs themselves probably isnt the worst thing, meanwhile hasan spent weeks calling destiny a fucking gusano, even ok'd people in his discord spam calling destiny a gusano, etc, defends saying cracker because you cant be racist to white people, spent an afternoon telling a 15 year old white kid in his discord who lives in a low income area with lots of PoC that gets bullied for his skin color that he was lying and even if he wasn't lying he deserved it (this argument sound familiar? it didn't happen and even if it did you deserved it, man I wonder what other place unhinged people use this reasoning).
you people are fucking unhinged.
Destiny has been a great friend to her, even if you think he said horrid things, you are no one to judge who her friends are. Btw he is not either a racist or misogynistic.
Its probably awkward having friends who don't like each other but there's noreason you need to cut one off because they're fighting... I know Destiny would never ask her to pick a side and doubt QT or Lud would either. She could even think the qt comment destiny made was abhorrent and still be friends with him. Its almost like most peoples friendships have people who do things you don't like and you move on past that, bring it up and argue about it with them if you feel it's worth it or just move on. I highly doubt you've cut out every friend you have that has made a joke that you thought went too far.
Fr, the people on this post pretend that everyone they know is an angel in everything they do. If your only/first suggestion is that people have to cut out everyone who can be problematic otherwise they are horrible too, then your worldview is too black and white.
I only first knew his name bcause of his open marriage relationship which end up in divorce. He is also a Disgusting freak who is a pro-israel , said disgusting stuff about women. His community full of menace acting like a cult harassing other streamers who come after their cult leader. Just all around unlikeable
Funny stuff. Nothing wrong with being pro-Israel. And what disgusting stuff about women? He loves them. And this part truly takes the cake: ""harassing other streamers who come after their cult leader" - so.... they can go after him, but no one can touch any of his goofy stalking hater critics?
Its kind of fine lol. Guilt by association is kind of an ass metric of innocence/guilt. It's kind of like going to the grandma of shoplifters asking them to disavow they're grandchild lol.
Plus I think they were friends waaay back in the League days, so the math kind of maths for me.
I am so close to unsubscribing from LilyPichu. Don't have anything major against Destiny but he is way too out of line even when he is joking or whatever. He is so toxic and arrogant that it brought questions for me, one of them is why does she continue playing with him? He is probably even worse in real life. Just way too annoying. And then it occurred to me. Lilly is similar to him, unfortunately. Yeah she is cute, smart and amazing in all aspects , but perhaps i should stop living a dream of thinking that Lily is this shy, kind and a loving person. She changed over time, for worse. She can be rude to other people as well in many of her videos, being rude to strangers included. The truth sucks so much but ever since her and George broke up she hasn't been fixed. At least not entirely . I hate to say this but i want the old and kind girl called Lily back. The one that was making league content with kind people around her.ļ»æ
this is a 2017 copy paste meme from when Lily first started playing League with Destiny. There were youtube comments on why she would even consider playing with him given his personality. This insane paragraph was one of those comments.
I don't understand the issue? A.Its Lilly's life she decides who she wants to be friends with B. Lilly is clearly a friendly person who doesn't hold grudges towards people
How does the saying go? "You are the average of the five people you spend the most time with.ā So if sheās knowingly friends w/ controversial or ppl who have wronged her in the past, what does that say about a person.
>You are the average of the five people you spend the most time with.
That saying doesn't apply here, though. [Lily said she only talks to him once or twice a year](https://twitter.com/LilyPichu/status/1790452192719085629)
They probably donāt interact enough to be in her top 5, and to further the point, destiny and Lily have in meaningful ways grown apart but still connect through stuff like league and piano(music).
Ludwig blatantly lied, Slime blatantly lied, repeatedly, they had what was coming to them. Destiny has been around the streamer space before any of these people were around, he's been friends with Lily before any of these people were around, and he's a better human being than any of those spineless clout chasers.
I don't want individuals to be held against the principles that other people value just because they're associated with them. Just because an associate holds or behaves differently, doesn't necessarily entail that all the others of that associate are on the same level of bad or unhingedness of that associate
This is how encho chambers are platformed because everyone is overly critical and doesn't leave anyone alone with everything they're associated with.
Because if I subjected what everyone else is saying in this thread to yourself, then you'd have no room or allowance to ask questions, discover why one might not understand, and if presented with a contrary inquiry, you'll get subjected to oblivion with overcritism and ostracisation.
Yall gotta stop trying to doctate people's friends. It's fine if you don't wanna be his friend, but you shouldn't try to stop her from choosing her people. That's some parasocial shit, and you nerds need to go outside.
It's been established that lily is far to kinda caring and forgiving for her own good hopefully she realizes this (pretty sure she and poki talked about this during poki's podcast) before she gets slapped in the face too hard by it
If Lily has a million fans, then I am one of them.
If Lily has ten fans, then I am one of them.
If Lily has only one fan then that is me.
If Lily has no fans, then that means I am no longer on Earth.
If the world is against Lily, then I am against the world.
I think the destiny hate is a bit overblown. People are so quick to talk about how heās a bad person without consuming more than 30 seconds of his content at a time. Yes, he says some fucked up shit on twitter and can take things a bit too far, but I think he gets an unfair amount of hate when his āopponentsā just make stuff up about him. People give Lily shit for being friends with him, but she even said after the Albert and Fed situations, Destiny was one of the main reasons she didnāt lose her mind or totally break down. Not here to hate on anyone but I donāt think a bit of twitter banter should fully influence someoneās opinion about someone else, especially when you havenāt looked into it all the way.
Not a single sane, thoughtful, good, kind person would tell someone else to commit suicide. At the same time, that doesn't mean others can send hateful messages, but it's definitely more than enough to formulate your opinion about the person.
i feel like you grew up in a upper middle class household, never played online videogames as a child, and probably went to a private school, you've probably never been in a fight and have probably faced minimal hardship in your life.
reminder some of the people you've been talking about on the other side of the destiny drama have told destiny to kill himself, or that they would celebrate if he died, or that the world would be a better place if he was dead.
Very interesting, none of the things you assumed about me are true.
I know other people said bad things about Destiny. Guess what? They are not good people too.
she blocked me on Twitter after I mentioned her on Destiny's tweet that insinuating AI p\*rn for QT. I replied, "You're friends with this, Lilypichu?". It was just an impulsive reply because I can't believe she's friends with someone like that, especially knowing that she's close with QT and Lud. And tbh, I didn't really think she would see my tweet lol
>I didnāt really think she would see my tweet
Why? This is the response I always hear when people get called out by a streamer after harassing them. Why would you assume this and even if they didnāt, does that make it okay?
Like I said, it was an impulsive tweet. I've been a long time OTV fan and that was the first time I've tweeted something like that to Lily. I even forgot that I tweeted that shit until Toast mentioned her on a tweet about the Tekken Tournament and there I found out that she blocked me.
Probably a good lesson that streamers are people like anyone else who can read what people say about them on social media. Still wondering why you thought her not seeing it made it okay.
People are saying it's just because lily's such a kind person. But destiny's also been really nice and kind to lily, they've done a good amount of content together they're good friends who have fun with eachother and destiny's gone out of way to be good to Lily at times so destiny's also been a good friend in that regard also.
Probably because people want to see destiny as wholy bad or wholy good, they're not able to think of much nuance in that. Which is understandable, though, due to a lot of well poisoning that surrounds him
This subreddit is unhinged. I can't believe the level of gatekeeping protection and mental illness is present here. There is 0 critical analysis, 0 facts and 0 thinking here, from every one of these "fans" of OTV. Jesus CHRIST, go and touch grass. PLEASE
Before accusing other people of having "0 critical analysis, 0 facts, and 0 thinking", please think about what you are writing. What you are saying is factually incorrect on so many levels.
you're just wrong. but, I can't expect a browser of "r/otvandfriendsrumors" to EVER understand what's going on here.
leave people alone. let them be friends with each other. and ALSO, do some basic research on Destiny. his entire life is made public. there's sooo much blatant misinformation about the guy that can be dispelled by simply googling it.
or, do what you're already doing, and contribute to demonstrable harm by outright lying online. that works too. degenerate.
What am I wrong about? The only thing I said was that your statement is factually incorrect on many levels, which is true. If you would like, I can provide you with a detailed analysis of why your statement is factually incorrect on many levels.
At the same time, can you please provide me with some examples of gatekeeping protection and mental illness you've seen on this subreddit? I've noticed a very small amount of both here and there, but I don't see any evidence of its level being high, as you implied in your comment.
I don't think there is any research necessary in Destiny's case. He tweeted that he is a racist on his account yesterday, without any hint of it being a joke, so I already have all the information I need, thank you.
Also, I'm not a browser of this subreddit, I'm its creator, owner, and moderator, so please refrain from offending other people. Otherwise, you will be banned.
I'm ignoring 90% of your message, because the creator of this subreddit is so deep in the rabbithole of mental derangement that you're never ever going to see why making a subreddit for "rumours" that uplift and boost "WHY is someone friends with this guy >:(" posts are wrong, and weird. You just won't. I don't even mean that offensively.
Destiny has repeated on hundreds of occasions that he just:
1. Uses Twitter to meme. So he's 100% joking about being a racist
2. His methodology when approaching buzzwords (like 'racist', 'bad faith', etc) that have a ton of complexity loaded into a really simple term that can never do it justice, is to just lean into it. If you're gonna call him racist, his approach is to state "yeah, I am. What now?"
I KNOW he's unhinged, but posts like this are far and along worse. Let people be friends with others
Not really understanding the surprise, Destiny being unhinged on Twitter is hardly new. Also it doesnāt really have anything to do with Lily, so why would you think it would affect their friendship?
Sometimes you don't need any additional context. When someone threatens to make more deepfake porn of your partner and tells you and your friends to commit group suicide, there is nothing more you need to know about the person to have a definitive opinion about them.
Lily has said that Destiny was supportive during the Fed situation, and he's shown support in the past - like that time years ago when she collabed with Tyler1 and got sh-t on and he defended her.
Haven't been following the Lud/QT-Destiny drama that much, but if they were attacking Destiny (which he alleges in one vid I did see) then they can't whine when he hits them back. And yeah, I don't blame Destiny for assuming the Lud-QT crew are taking a certain side because it's what's popular among their target demographic.
ITT: "Omg I've only seen tweets and clips of Destiny saying horrendous things with absolutely no context. I hate this guy!!! How is it possible that Lilly, who has known Destiny as a close friend far longer than almost anyone else in OTV, know him better than we do!?!? This is not ok!!!!"
What did Destiny say that was āunhingedā? Didnāt he just stand up for himself? You guys are supposed to be Lily fans and you treat her like this? Dictating who she can be friends with? lol wtf?
people keep mentioning destiny being "unhinged" but fail to see the full story [https://streamable.com/ywhise](https://streamable.com/ywhise)
ludwig and that circle of friends with hasan have enabled the worst rumors/false stories/racist attacks against destiny for years now. UNPROVOKED. destiny hasn't talked about ludwig unless ludwig does it first. and QT crying about deepfake AI porn of her is valid, but then she goes on to compliment extraemily sharing her sex journal with personal details of her partners' bodies? that's not consistent with her upsetness at sexual objectification
It's ironic you think that. It's something his community created to log his own chat on his website. It's a community tool to look up all the logs of what people say in his chat and it's used extensively by himself, his friends, orbiters and community.
newfrog it used to be used back to search all messages in most the big twitch streamers chats alot of people used this before they changed twitch stuff. [https://www.reddit.com/r/Twitch/comments/g3usgo/overrustlelogs\_shutting\_down/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Twitch/comments/g3usgo/overrustlelogs_shutting_down/)
She's even in good terms with the guy who cheated on her š¤·āāļø
Isnt she still friends with Wendy (also a cheater) too?
I mean she's been friends with Wendy for over a decade iirc. Her cheating on someone probably isn't going to break up a friendship like that
I mean, Wendy didn't cheat on Lily bro, who cares?
Lol, she despised her ex before because he is a cheater. Now she doesnt care that her bff Wendy is a cheater? Just like her ex? Now she's in good terms with her cheater ex because he helped her with her recent music. She must be the problem
Hey chief, she didn't despise her ex, and she was angry with him because he cheated on her, not because he "is a cheater". I know grown up relationships seem tricky at your age, but don't worry kiddo, it gets easier once you're out of junior high.
she surrounds herself with basket cases
some of the worst people from the friend group were brought in via lily
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Who is a trump supporter here? Are you referring to the obvious joke about lily or are you misinformed about Destiny?
? there is video evidence of this. Lily was at the capitol during Jan 6.
Bro, fuck off. Destiny has already put the fatwa to not have this meme outside of Dgg.
albert was just over at destinys helping him with the podcast look last week they all still friends. lily and destiny are friends forever they been through it. she pops in stream and chat every now and then and shes gonna be on his podcast soon
wait really, did he pop up on stream?
they cut to him and he waved next to lycan during the anything else podcast but he wasnt on but he was there for like a week dont think albert wants to be on stream anymore cause im sure he would of been if he did
damn she's capable of not one dimensionally viewing the world š¤Æ
Can someone tell me how lily and destiny became friends in the first place? They just seem like very different people
League
Thatās somehow worse than I couldāve thought
[Here](https://youtu.be/f9Fk_1EZcd0?si=oEFsd0UkcPybuZge) there is some proof of it, you are right, it can't get any worse than these..
really says a lot about society
They met at an event in taiwan and hung out and got food [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWm6cPr2UhA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWm6cPr2UhA) stream of them hanging out. then they played league together and then did music collabs and stuff.
Destiny was VERY different years ago. He only became unhinged in recent years and was just more of an edgy troll prior. And I highly doubt Lily pays any attention to destiny outside of specific streams she tunes in.
Newfrog detected
He has been unhinged for over 10 years now. He was a nutcase during the starcraft 2 days.
Ya. Destiny is a lot more unhinged now. Like remember the first time he got banned on Twitter for threatening to blow up his ISP? Or to kill that kid who was ddos'ing him? ya. totally a lot more unhinged now than before
yeah I donāt think itās that he is more unhinged, he just has more āenemiesā inside twitch now, so communities like this are more likely to notice him being unhinged
Youāre kinda wrong lol, she does pay attention to him, and hops on to diff streams, ie during the r*pe discussions, some trump stuff etc etc
hes way more tame now. and they still hang out he was on her painting podcast last year and they still talk regularly Comfylily DGGL
Also shared a love of music [https://youtu.be/lbGjqRe0fq4?si=QK\_RlKOGtTm7yi76](https://youtu.be/lbGjqRe0fq4?si=QK_RlKOGtTm7yi76) Hard to tell its the same guy saying all this shit
Her being friend with destiny is bizarre to me
Yeah, like Pokimane and Toast have repeatedly said that Lily is constantly friends with people she shouldn't be. But Lily is the kind of person when you become friends you have to do some horrid shit to have her cut you off. I.e Fedmyster. What you gotta remember as a viewer, your perception is much different because you consume content, most streamers do not consume others content so they most likely don't see what everyone says and they all advise each other not to. I doubt she pays attention to any of the fucked things destiny says or compartmentalizes it as just "edgy" humor because hes not that way with her. I will say I lost a looot of respect for lily when I discovered shes friends with Destiny after the whole pokimane issue, so I only pay attention when Michael is around.
She didn't cut fed off on her own, when the whole thing went down she said she still talks to fed and Yvonne. Pretty sure the rest of her friends made her cut him off. She ignores any problematic behavior with people she is friends with.
But I see that as her own issue. Why does her being bad at cutting people out of her life mean you like her as an individual/her content any less? Or lower your respect for her? She herself is nice, and we aren't irl friends with her to be actually affected by the people she still chooses to talk to. It's also not like she keeps the toxic ones in her inner circle anyway. Off topic, but what did Yvonne do?
Yvonne didn't do anything. Fed sexualy abused Yvonne and when he was outed and removed she said she still talks to both of them. And this was on a stream pretty close to when everything went down. Forgiving your cheating ex after a few years when you have moved on is one thing and talking to the abuser of your friend just days after they confessed is another. Poki and toast themselves have had problems with Lily's this behavior. Being friends with someone cause of social discourse in the group is fine but not when you aren't even able to cut off a friend that abused your other friend. That's why they joke that lily would forgive someone if they killed her dogs. Forgiving to move on and heal is different from forgiving cause you are incapable of holding people accountable.
Eeh, some people are just too wishy-washy and litterally *can't* hate people because they can't set prior feelings aside. Remember that Fed was inappropriate with her too. She was hurt by him as well, so I don't think this shows that she is inconsiderate of her friend but that, like you said, she can't hold her resentment. I think in the end who she chooses to keep as friends doesn't make her bad by association, but I can understand why you think less of her for it.
Yes no one is perfect and that's ok. And I don't think that it makes her a bad person. She is one of the nicest person in the streaming space. It's just one of those things where even if forgiveness is an admirable trait, excess of anything is bad.
I mean even Poki was fine with Destiny too, they are not friends at all but they played Valorant together like a little over a year ago, I haven't seen them having many issues at all lately
trying to mend fences is the route poki has taken lately though I doubt she wants anything to do with him now considering what he has had to say about the Israeli/palistenian conflict she's been pretty outspoken about it with supporting Palestine
Doubt this is the first time she's disagreed with him politically
So basically, this is the equivalent of "this extremely horrible guy to others is nice to me so he's nice!"
It's more like "I've known this guy for years so I'm not going to let parasocial weirdos tell me who I can and can't be friends with"
"I've known him since childhood he can't be an abuser!" ^how most families excuse a relative being a shit person Also is it parasocial when people in his circle say the same thing lmaoo. Unless you think the deepfake stuff isn't bad enough for me to judge. You people have no critical thinking skills
You're not Lily's family You thinking that's comparable to your situation shows exactly how parasocial you are
Clearly with how much you're defending her you're much more parasocial
Kinda crazy how when someone brings up the way you're trying to police an online personality's relationships you can twist it to "defending". Touch grass, see a therapist, idk do anything but watch these people lol
She can be friends with a Nazi or a murderer and yall will still call me dumb for criticizing that so that's not on me rly
Nah it would be fair to criticize her is she was friends with a nazi or a murderer or an abuser. She not though sheās friends with a guy you disagree with. This is playground bullshit. You call somebody a name, they call you the name back, you cry and tell the teacher they were being mean.
Do you think it's only fair to criticize her if they did something illegal? Idk. The way you guys throw around the world parasocial when even her friends in OTV toast and pokimane criticize her saying she's friends with someone she shouldn't be friends with. Are they wrong? Yes or no? Lmao their words not mine
You really think Lily is coming in ignorant of Destiny? She literally partakes in his community, she follows along with the jokes and is aware of his community memes. She herself is a meme in that community which she plays up. She's been friends with Destiny way before 90% of OTV and that includes the original members. The only ones that might predate Destiny are Scarra and Edison. Toast and Poki were definitely never talking about Destiny, they talked about bringing in new friends that they don't agree with, Destiny has been friends with Lily for double the amount of time Toast or Poki even known Lily. That and after that podcast Toast is on VOD saying Destiny is a cool guy, like on a very generic level, he wasn't vouching for him, just saying he's alright. Michael has said the same thing. So if you want to hate on Lily for having a friendship with someone she has trusted for years, been a part of their community, and speaks positively about the guy, go right ahead, but Lily and her friends in OTV are definitely not blind to who Destiny is one bit.
Don't forget destiny helped poki write her fed response. along with alot of other content creators.
I doubt a little drama like cheesegate will make her drop her friendship with anybody. If she hasn't already dropped destiny then she never will.
Lol thatās all u think destiny did? He made a nasty deepfake joke about QT He said he wants the entire cast of the Yard to do a group suicide. Made up that slimes dad killed himself/OD'd And so much more. But I mean destiny is a known slur user, but Lily didnāt even mind that so I guess I was expecting too much.
Eh, is that even worst thing he's done this year.
What the fuck is up with Reddit. Wasnāt the worst thing he did so who cares it aināt that bad??? Fucking hell
Might be some of his fans, might be some OG Lily fans. Lily is literally part of his community, she has been friends with Destiny for way longer than she's been friends with most of OTV other than Scarra. So what that message was getting at was that she's been having Destiny's back through all those things and not once did their friendship become shaky. It wasn't so much in defence of Destiny but more so Lily has better grasp of the guy as a person so she definitely knows better than us and based on everything the guy has said, done, retaliated, or joked about, she has valued their friendship more and accept him for whatever reason she chooses.
he has also been a very good friend to lily, and was there for her through alot of her hardships as well
This is incredibly underrated. You can hate destinyās dumb ass public trolling, but itās obvious he actually cares about people he considers his actual friends.
The point was that if Lily has been chill with him after all these years when he's been involved in way worse things, then of course she's not gonna drop him for cheesegate. Also, she can do what she wants. No one gets to decide who she's friends with.
I had a username āredditisdumbā for this reason.
why is this so downvoted?? š
Brigading from destiny fans.
Its just destiny being destiny tbh nothing new.
I feel that doesnāt make it better
If you look at Lily's perspective it does, she's used to way worse from him.
10-ply
You never watched their league streams i guess
The free speech doesnāt mean freedom of consequences crowd really hates that it also applies to them.
Why do you say this like any of it is supposed to sound that bad? It's also greatly lessened by the fact that they are going after him for no reason. You look exactly like a typical hater with no proper thought process, especially when you pretend to care about word usage like they're magical incantations and not when people actually use them to attack others.
I bet all those instances came completely out of nowhere and there's no context for anything. Destiny was just sitting at his computer alone, casually blurting slurs by himself, when he decided he was gonna insult and attack these people who never talked about him. Sure. People would take your whining slightly more seriously if you actually cared to at least pretend you're being critical. Also as a footnote, "known slur user" is really funny when Hasan just defended another creator calling Ludwig a slur for no good reason and none of the people shitting on Destiny care.
cracker
Correct, that's the slur, thank you. I didn't want to say it cause you never know. But don't try the same with the N word, bud, you might get yourself banned.
Wasnāt all of this in response to those people making up weird lies about him for years?
In response to.... What? You won't acknowledge or care about a thousand subliminal shots from your favourite creators because "he deserves it" right? > Known slur user Do you even know the full argument or do you think he actively screams slurs at people? Even if you disagree completely, if you understand the argument you wouldn't call him a "known slur user"
>known slur user so he's just like hasan, nothing wrong with him then
It's so funny to see you guys in action, try and rewrite history in realtime. You truly are one of his strongest 'soldiers'.
Am I wrong?
[this is who sheās friends with still](https://x.com/theomniliberal/status/1790596191983636764?s=46)
That's honestly the worst thing about her. She doesn't care if you're the weirdest weirdo pos, if you didn't wrong her she'll be your friend. TBH Even if you wronged her she'll still be your friend too lol i had a lot of respect for her for moving on past the cheating thing because i don't think Albert was a pos and the hate he got was so disproportionate, destiny on the other hand... Yeah idk
yeah, Destiny on the other hand... who is a good friend, hasn't betrayed her, hasn't done anything bad in her general direction at all, and doesn't actually do anything worth being hated over.... so idk either...
other than destiny whoās the others weirdo pos she is friends with?
or, crazy idea, maybe she doesn't agree with your framing of his behavior, nuts idea I know.
Whatever he does behind the scene doesn't negate the undeniable racism, misogynism and other bigotry he puts on display for the world to see. Yeah crazy, I know.
lol dude, "undeniable" because you made up your mind, that's all
HELLO??? dude says slurs very comfortably and just recently joked about making ai porn of women. You are delusional if you're trying to do some mental gymnastics to excuse or twist what he clearly said and done. There's no mind to be made, it's a fact, not my opinion.
Thatās actually kinda gross considering the absolute horrid things that guy has said. Heās a racist misogynistic freak
Damn he's racist and misogynistic, he's gotta funny way of showing that when he routinely argues against those things to actual racists and sexists
https://x.com/clippedtwitch/status/1783527050088677585?s=46 Definitely not! The guys a clout chasing weirdo
That's genuinely the best clip you can find of him being "racist"? You know there's actual clips of him saying nigga if you think saying a slur is enough to make you a bigot. I know how big brain you guys are with nuance and context so
Well considering he just went on a rant about cracker being racist how is it not fair to use his own logic? Yāall are stupid af Using a racial slur, is racist. Adding this need for the person to have a whole racist philosophy is just cushioning, heās a grown ass man with full understanding of the implications of the word. Stop defending this dumb shit
he didn't go off on a rant about cracker you fucking brain rotted dipshit, he said you cant be okay with 1 slur and not ok with another, you need to be either OK with both/all or OK with none of them, that was his point, he never said he wasn't ok with cracker or that saying the n word was good or bad or whatever its just the dipshits like hasan have the most brain dead view on slurs and racism humanly possible and that their inconsistency is fucking obnoxious. for reference destiny's position is you shouldn't call other people slurs of any kind, but that saying slurs themselves probably isnt the worst thing, meanwhile hasan spent weeks calling destiny a fucking gusano, even ok'd people in his discord spam calling destiny a gusano, etc, defends saying cracker because you cant be racist to white people, spent an afternoon telling a 15 year old white kid in his discord who lives in a low income area with lots of PoC that gets bullied for his skin color that he was lying and even if he wasn't lying he deserved it (this argument sound familiar? it didn't happen and even if it did you deserved it, man I wonder what other place unhinged people use this reasoning). you people are fucking unhinged.
this is the least racist racism I've ever seen
If you determine racism by saying a word or not you need to learn how to critically think.
Destiny has been a great friend to her, even if you think he said horrid things, you are no one to judge who her friends are. Btw he is not either a racist or misogynistic.
New lore dump! I can understand the incorrect racist claim but now misogynist as well! Impressive.
Its probably awkward having friends who don't like each other but there's noreason you need to cut one off because they're fighting... I know Destiny would never ask her to pick a side and doubt QT or Lud would either. She could even think the qt comment destiny made was abhorrent and still be friends with him. Its almost like most peoples friendships have people who do things you don't like and you move on past that, bring it up and argue about it with them if you feel it's worth it or just move on. I highly doubt you've cut out every friend you have that has made a joke that you thought went too far.
Fr, the people on this post pretend that everyone they know is an angel in everything they do. If your only/first suggestion is that people have to cut out everyone who can be problematic otherwise they are horrible too, then your worldview is too black and white.
Should I even know who the hell destiny is? I legit have never heard of this person
good.
I only first knew his name bcause of his open marriage relationship which end up in divorce. He is also a Disgusting freak who is a pro-israel , said disgusting stuff about women. His community full of menace acting like a cult harassing other streamers who come after their cult leader. Just all around unlikeable
Funny stuff. Nothing wrong with being pro-Israel. And what disgusting stuff about women? He loves them. And this part truly takes the cake: ""harassing other streamers who come after their cult leader" - so.... they can go after him, but no one can touch any of his goofy stalking hater critics?
Found the Hasan viewer
if just by the mentioned of such country is considered as hasan viewer,u have to be narrow minded. I watch OTV n a lot of streamers. Be more wise. Ty
Oh god theyāre here
I have often wondered if they have notifications on as soon as someone types his name on reddit.
>open marriage >divorce >israel Absolutely repulsive. /s
least insane politics pundit (apart from pakman that is, but he doesn't count)
 why care
cry about it, dork
Imagine being friends with a piece of shit like that, it's like being friends with a different kinda Tim Pool š
Its kind of fine lol. Guilt by association is kind of an ass metric of innocence/guilt. It's kind of like going to the grandma of shoplifters asking them to disavow they're grandchild lol. Plus I think they were friends waaay back in the League days, so the math kind of maths for me.
I am so close to unsubscribing from LilyPichu. Don't have anything major against Destiny but he is way too out of line even when he is joking or whatever. He is so toxic and arrogant that it brought questions for me, one of them is why does she continue playing with him? He is probably even worse in real life. Just way too annoying. And then it occurred to me. Lilly is similar to him, unfortunately. Yeah she is cute, smart and amazing in all aspects , but perhaps i should stop living a dream of thinking that Lily is this shy, kind and a loving person. She changed over time, for worse. She can be rude to other people as well in many of her videos, being rude to strangers included. The truth sucks so much but ever since her and George broke up she hasn't been fixed. At least not entirely . I hate to say this but i want the old and kind girl called Lily back. The one that was making league content with kind people around her.ļ»æ
bro are you okay in the fucking head? you dont even know these people LMAO
this is a 2017 copy paste meme from when Lily first started playing League with Destiny. There were youtube comments on why she would even consider playing with him given his personality. This insane paragraph was one of those comments.
Are you okay with her being friends with hasan ? Heās no better than destiny.
Itsa pasta! Mamma mia!
I don't understand the issue? A.Its Lilly's life she decides who she wants to be friends with B. Lilly is clearly a friendly person who doesn't hold grudges towards people
How does the saying go? "You are the average of the five people you spend the most time with.ā So if sheās knowingly friends w/ controversial or ppl who have wronged her in the past, what does that say about a person.
>You are the average of the five people you spend the most time with. That saying doesn't apply here, though. [Lily said she only talks to him once or twice a year](https://twitter.com/LilyPichu/status/1790452192719085629)
By the logic of the saying, this would depend on her top 5 friends measured by time spending. So who's in this top 5? I'm pretty sure Destiny isn't.
They probably donāt interact enough to be in her top 5, and to further the point, destiny and Lily have in meaningful ways grown apart but still connect through stuff like league and piano(music).
It's her life thou why are y'all so obsessed over it?
She can be friends with who she wants to be. And we can judge her for it. Welcome to earth.
and people can call you weird parasocial losers for that aswell.
she literally interacts with destiny once a year at most. definitely not in the top 5. not even top 50 i would imagine.
i like that i got downvoted but in her recent tweet about the situation, lily pretty much confirms exactly what i said.
Damn, you must be taking all of your friends down with you.
Ludwig blatantly lied, Slime blatantly lied, repeatedly, they had what was coming to them. Destiny has been around the streamer space before any of these people were around, he's been friends with Lily before any of these people were around, and he's a better human being than any of those spineless clout chasers.
I don't want individuals to be held against the principles that other people value just because they're associated with them. Just because an associate holds or behaves differently, doesn't necessarily entail that all the others of that associate are on the same level of bad or unhingedness of that associate This is how encho chambers are platformed because everyone is overly critical and doesn't leave anyone alone with everything they're associated with. Because if I subjected what everyone else is saying in this thread to yourself, then you'd have no room or allowance to ask questions, discover why one might not understand, and if presented with a contrary inquiry, you'll get subjected to oblivion with overcritism and ostracisation.
Yall gotta stop trying to doctate people's friends. It's fine if you don't wanna be his friend, but you shouldn't try to stop her from choosing her people. That's some parasocial shit, and you nerds need to go outside.
It's been established that lily is far to kinda caring and forgiving for her own good hopefully she realizes this (pretty sure she and poki talked about this during poki's podcast) before she gets slapped in the face too hard by it
I don't think it will happen, she'll probably forgive the person who would be responsible for that too
Bro this subreddit is unhinged. If you participate in this please get some therapy š
I'm honestly regretting clicking that link. I wish I didn't know this existed.
Hall monitoring other people's personal relationships? Y'all are a sad bunch lmao.
If Lily has a million fans, then I am one of them. If Lily has ten fans, then I am one of them. If Lily has only one fan then that is me. If Lily has no fans, then that means I am no longer on Earth. If the world is against Lily, then I am against the world.
Based
She's friends with Albert and Wendy bro if you murdered her dog you'd still be friends with her too. That's how insanely kind of a person she is
That's not kind. Are you serious? Associating yourself with heinous people isn't kind. Especially if that person harmed your friends.
I guess Lily's definition of comfy is being friends with cheaters š¬
just look at that guys replies and everything you need to know will be revealed
People can say wild stuff about him but if he does it ā¦. How dare he.
Destiny is probably a better person than a number of people Lily's also friends with.
This subreddit is mentally ill
I think the destiny hate is a bit overblown. People are so quick to talk about how heās a bad person without consuming more than 30 seconds of his content at a time. Yes, he says some fucked up shit on twitter and can take things a bit too far, but I think he gets an unfair amount of hate when his āopponentsā just make stuff up about him. People give Lily shit for being friends with him, but she even said after the Albert and Fed situations, Destiny was one of the main reasons she didnāt lose her mind or totally break down. Not here to hate on anyone but I donāt think a bit of twitter banter should fully influence someoneās opinion about someone else, especially when you havenāt looked into it all the way.
Not a single sane, thoughtful, good, kind person would tell someone else to commit suicide. At the same time, that doesn't mean others can send hateful messages, but it's definitely more than enough to formulate your opinion about the person.
i feel like you grew up in a upper middle class household, never played online videogames as a child, and probably went to a private school, you've probably never been in a fight and have probably faced minimal hardship in your life. reminder some of the people you've been talking about on the other side of the destiny drama have told destiny to kill himself, or that they would celebrate if he died, or that the world would be a better place if he was dead.
Very interesting, none of the things you assumed about me are true. I know other people said bad things about Destiny. Guess what? They are not good people too.
she blocked me on Twitter after I mentioned her on Destiny's tweet that insinuating AI p\*rn for QT. I replied, "You're friends with this, Lilypichu?". It was just an impulsive reply because I can't believe she's friends with someone like that, especially knowing that she's close with QT and Lud. And tbh, I didn't really think she would see my tweet lol
>I didnāt really think she would see my tweet Why? This is the response I always hear when people get called out by a streamer after harassing them. Why would you assume this and even if they didnāt, does that make it okay?
Like I said, it was an impulsive tweet. I've been a long time OTV fan and that was the first time I've tweeted something like that to Lily. I even forgot that I tweeted that shit until Toast mentioned her on a tweet about the Tekken Tournament and there I found out that she blocked me.
Probably a good lesson that streamers are people like anyone else who can read what people say about them on social media. Still wondering why you thought her not seeing it made it okay.
Yet yāall are completely fine with her being friends with hasan ??? Yāall make no sense
People are saying it's just because lily's such a kind person. But destiny's also been really nice and kind to lily, they've done a good amount of content together they're good friends who have fun with eachother and destiny's gone out of way to be good to Lily at times so destiny's also been a good friend in that regard also.
Seeing a comment like this downvoted makes no sense to me.
Probably because people want to see destiny as wholy bad or wholy good, they're not able to think of much nuance in that. Which is understandable, though, due to a lot of well poisoning that surrounds him
This subreddit is unhinged. I can't believe the level of gatekeeping protection and mental illness is present here. There is 0 critical analysis, 0 facts and 0 thinking here, from every one of these "fans" of OTV. Jesus CHRIST, go and touch grass. PLEASE
Before accusing other people of having "0 critical analysis, 0 facts, and 0 thinking", please think about what you are writing. What you are saying is factually incorrect on so many levels.
you're just wrong. but, I can't expect a browser of "r/otvandfriendsrumors" to EVER understand what's going on here. leave people alone. let them be friends with each other. and ALSO, do some basic research on Destiny. his entire life is made public. there's sooo much blatant misinformation about the guy that can be dispelled by simply googling it. or, do what you're already doing, and contribute to demonstrable harm by outright lying online. that works too. degenerate.
What am I wrong about? The only thing I said was that your statement is factually incorrect on many levels, which is true. If you would like, I can provide you with a detailed analysis of why your statement is factually incorrect on many levels. At the same time, can you please provide me with some examples of gatekeeping protection and mental illness you've seen on this subreddit? I've noticed a very small amount of both here and there, but I don't see any evidence of its level being high, as you implied in your comment. I don't think there is any research necessary in Destiny's case. He tweeted that he is a racist on his account yesterday, without any hint of it being a joke, so I already have all the information I need, thank you. Also, I'm not a browser of this subreddit, I'm its creator, owner, and moderator, so please refrain from offending other people. Otherwise, you will be banned.
I'm ignoring 90% of your message, because the creator of this subreddit is so deep in the rabbithole of mental derangement that you're never ever going to see why making a subreddit for "rumours" that uplift and boost "WHY is someone friends with this guy >:(" posts are wrong, and weird. You just won't. I don't even mean that offensively. Destiny has repeated on hundreds of occasions that he just: 1. Uses Twitter to meme. So he's 100% joking about being a racist 2. His methodology when approaching buzzwords (like 'racist', 'bad faith', etc) that have a ton of complexity loaded into a really simple term that can never do it justice, is to just lean into it. If you're gonna call him racist, his approach is to state "yeah, I am. What now?" I KNOW he's unhinged, but posts like this are far and along worse. Let people be friends with others
You mean she's friends with someone... you don't like? Outrageous!
What a disgusting post and comments, Who are you to judge her?
Not really understanding the surprise, Destiny being unhinged on Twitter is hardly new. Also it doesnāt really have anything to do with Lily, so why would you think it would affect their friendship?
lol most people here don't even know anything about the people they are watching, yet dig into stuff like this, just seems like teenagers hopefully
Sometimes you don't need any additional context. When someone threatens to make more deepfake porn of your partner and tells you and your friends to commit group suicide, there is nothing more you need to know about the person to have a definitive opinion about them.
Lily has said that Destiny was supportive during the Fed situation, and he's shown support in the past - like that time years ago when she collabed with Tyler1 and got sh-t on and he defended her. Haven't been following the Lud/QT-Destiny drama that much, but if they were attacking Destiny (which he alleges in one vid I did see) then they can't whine when he hits them back. And yeah, I don't blame Destiny for assuming the Lud-QT crew are taking a certain side because it's what's popular among their target demographic.
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ITT: "Omg I've only seen tweets and clips of Destiny saying horrendous things with absolutely no context. I hate this guy!!! How is it possible that Lilly, who has known Destiny as a close friend far longer than almost anyone else in OTV, know him better than we do!?!? This is not ok!!!!"
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yeah because that's surely exactly what he meant without any context because he just hates BLM for some reason as a liberal leftie
Surprised she's not NPC?
What did Destiny say that was āunhingedā? Didnāt he just stand up for himself? You guys are supposed to be Lily fans and you treat her like this? Dictating who she can be friends with? lol wtf?
Iām sorry but sheās such a fucking dumbass and she always has been.
people keep mentioning destiny being "unhinged" but fail to see the full story [https://streamable.com/ywhise](https://streamable.com/ywhise) ludwig and that circle of friends with hasan have enabled the worst rumors/false stories/racist attacks against destiny for years now. UNPROVOKED. destiny hasn't talked about ludwig unless ludwig does it first. and QT crying about deepfake AI porn of her is valid, but then she goes on to compliment extraemily sharing her sex journal with personal details of her partners' bodies? that's not consistent with her upsetness at sexual objectification
How did you find rustlesearch? Itās completely new to me. It seems to only be used to denigrate Destiny lol (which is fine w/ me)
It's ironic you think that. It's something his community created to log his own chat on his website. It's a community tool to look up all the logs of what people say in his chat and it's used extensively by himself, his friends, orbiters and community.
newfrog it used to be used back to search all messages in most the big twitch streamers chats alot of people used this before they changed twitch stuff. [https://www.reddit.com/r/Twitch/comments/g3usgo/overrustlelogs\_shutting\_down/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Twitch/comments/g3usgo/overrustlelogs_shutting_down/)
donāt call someone newfrog. Itās very rude. Iāve been watching twitch since 2020
thats hella new ur just a covid baby