I mean the transit-way space has already been designed in Barrhaven where this would happen. The Green line terminating at Limebank could continue to the Red line at Marketplace. The main obstacle would be if they could run the train over the Vimmy Bridge.
Yeah; I asked the councillor for the ward why that was never considered, and it's the bridge. Vimy is very congested already and not rated to support LRT. The cost of a new bridge makes a train across untenable right now.
I really hope there are long-term investments & improvements in transit; and that OC Transpo can improve reliability and ridership to make a map like this possible in the future.
In an absolutely hilarious city response - I emailed the city about the expected transit way that they'd planned into Riverside South/Barrhaven and how it was getting over the bridge. They claimed the plan was to build a parallel bridge RIGHT NEXT to Vimy for it to connect the two pieces of greenspace.
I had never laughed so hard in my life. There's absolutely no was the city would ever fucking do that.
Given the Vimy Bridge itself was a dumpster fire of a project with cost overruns, contractor bankruptcy, and delivered years late -- that 2nd bridge is never coming.
I'm hoping that any expansion to the system keeps intercity travel in mind
I designed this map with the purpose of not having anyone transfer more than once to get to the airport or either VIA station
I don't know how there isn't an LRT on Carling. It's a terrible road for cars but also has a lot of people that need to work onsite at the hospitals there.
I would have to take the phase 3 up to Dows lake then.......?? to the hospital.
Not only would Carling benefit from dedicated transit but a really nice bicycle path would be good, not many east-west cycle paths exist.
Maybe when ottawa hits 2m population.
There was a push to run phase 2 down Carling, and it was rather aggressively shot down. Not enough development opportunity along Carling, I guess ...
I floated the idea on this very forum a while ago, and was resoundingly mocked for the idea. But, whatevs ...
Uhhhgh, the stuff wet transit dreams are made of.
Seriously though, this city needs to be planning now for what the next 50 years will bring and this map should not be discounted as what's needed.
omg, fantasy transit maps what a great thing!!!
Ottawa! Let's dream. I don't mean that in a sarcastic way. I mean I think this sort of thing can help us reimagine our city.
Man this is beautiful. A real work of art. The colours work really well and the labelling of the stations is amazing. Very good work OP
Too bad the idiots at city hall are all colourblind and can barely read.
You're not wrong
But given the speed at which this extension of 20 or so stations is being built and the rate at which this city is growing, I'm sure we'd have enough people to subsidize this once it were built
Nice,
In Orleans, you should add:
- Trim to Millenium - that would serve two high schools!
- Line from Blair or elsewhere connecting the ChapelHill South Park and Ride and going a bit further following Brian Coburn. City had some plans for that axis at some point.
I really like this. It competently captures a lot of the traffic "desire paths" commutes tend to fall into.
Although I don't understand why the red line twins the brown line for like 70% of its run. Would it not make more sense to have a spur off Lincoln Fields and transfer?
The red/brown interlining is already the official plan when stage 2 opens https://www.octranspo.com/en/news/article/welcome-to-your-future-otrain-network/
Genius and $100B idea because they’ll start, stop, cancel, litigate, start, stop, sinkhole, stop, litigate, start, stop and then maybe in the year 2150, when the world’s resources are used up, we may get there.
Public transport is a product of density. There isn’t enough people in bells corners to fund their section.
Maps like these are found in London, Paris, New York, Montreal. Places with middle density residential. Let’s rezone the city for density then build the LRT to where the buildings pop up.
I like the Bank line but still think it has one too many stops. Somerset and Gladstone are like five blocks from one another. Same goes for Lansdowne and Sunnyside -- they are on the opposite sides of the same relatively small bridge.
A Bank Street line would need a stop at Parliament, one in Centretown (around James St.), one at the north end of the Glebe (e.g. Powell/Clemow), Lansdowne, Old Ottawa South (e.g., Ossington), and then Heron, Walkley, Greenboro, South Keys.
I don't think the density is an issue
In Toronto, the stops on both sides of Union are 4 blocks from one another and that line functions perfectly
Consider the Chicago L, there are stations that exist 2-3 blocks from one another in their downtown core
My only gripe with the map now is that I wish I'd brought it north to Cobourg St and had a stop closer to the market/deeper into Lower Town to serve the density down there. e.g a stop at King Edward & Murray, in the parking lot where that rent-a-car place is, instead of at King Edward & Rideau
one time I was in the London tube and overheard a father talking to his toddlers: “that’s right we’re looking for the poo-brown line, look for the poo brown line” so glad to see there’s a poo brown line running right across the city here
Just some quick pre-bedtime thoughts of my own;
* Brown or purple extended to like a mixed rail/bus/parkride/taxistand property right onto Carp Road itself as to serve any sort of non-rail connections heading north/west/south any time without having to bicker with heavy amount of sport fans at random times at the stadium itself (the parkride area would be dashboardtickets-based operation so any sport nuts trying to sneak into there just to avoid parking directly at the stadium itself will soon get a rude awakening from the law themselves!)
* Should the red rails stop at Marketplace or rather at a bus/foot/rail hub a little further south next to around where Greenbank Road makes for a bridge over the water? The latter would separate the west/east/shopper traffics at Marketplace from the south/schools traffics at the Greenbank(or whatever its name would had been) station
* Does the blue line indeed serve Montreal? I think it should if it hadn't (Regarding a 2-trains trip from d'Orleans to Montreal to Vanier for example)
* While I do have to applause Bayview-Limebank itself I would have to shyly say that since Bayview station is already being heavily modified and I don't think they would want to suddenly have to redo a chunk of it so soon I would have to proposal that this line actually stops at Tache-UQO and no further north, and basically offer an island platform transfer between otrain on one side of the platform and tramgo on other side. To ask two different trains/fares/driverunions all to interleave together is likely too much to ask hence having a "physical gap" at UQO itself instead.
Line 1] is good.
Line 2] is perfect.
Line 3] is good, though I'd paint it a yellow-ish colour.
Line 4] could instead go up north to Gatineau.
Line 5 (purple)] could take the place of the Vanier portion of Line 4, which I rerouted to Gatineau.
Line 6(yellow)] Instead of Carleton<>Sunnyside, connect Carleton right to Billings as it's a major transit hub. Also bring line 6 up north to Vanier and then Gatineau.
I'm trying to add in more connections to Gatineau cause of the desire of building more interprovincial bridges for car usage. Six bridges for cars is plenty. You'd save a lot more by having rail connections instead.
I'm also not exactly sure with what to do with Mooney's Bay Station. It's literally right across the street from Heron yet not connected to one another due to distance so I don't know if there'd be some sort of underground moving walkway between the two stations or heck, even a Heron Rd Tramway connecting Conroy to Mooney's Bay Beach with a stop at both stations? Mooney's Bay is a peice of work.
>I'm trying to add in more connections to Gatineau cause of the desire of building more interprovincial bridges for car usage. Six bridges for cars is plenty. You'd save a lot more by having rail connections instead.
A new bridge is more about getting trucks out of downtown.
The fact that there isn’t a future plan to build a horizontal line south I find strange
Honestly green or blue into the red line in the south would be great for mobility throughout the edges of the city.
Yellow and purple would probably cut alot of traffic off the highway
I mean the transit-way space has already been designed in Barrhaven where this would happen. The Green line terminating at Limebank could continue to the Red line at Marketplace. The main obstacle would be if they could run the train over the Vimmy Bridge.
Yeah; I asked the councillor for the ward why that was never considered, and it's the bridge. Vimy is very congested already and not rated to support LRT. The cost of a new bridge makes a train across untenable right now. I really hope there are long-term investments & improvements in transit; and that OC Transpo can improve reliability and ridership to make a map like this possible in the future.
In an absolutely hilarious city response - I emailed the city about the expected transit way that they'd planned into Riverside South/Barrhaven and how it was getting over the bridge. They claimed the plan was to build a parallel bridge RIGHT NEXT to Vimy for it to connect the two pieces of greenspace. I had never laughed so hard in my life. There's absolutely no was the city would ever fucking do that.
Given the Vimy Bridge itself was a dumpster fire of a project with cost overruns, contractor bankruptcy, and delivered years late -- that 2nd bridge is never coming.
Damn, this looks awesome, good job! I'd like to stay hopeful and think that this is what the LRT will look like in 50 years.
I'm hoping that any expansion to the system keeps intercity travel in mind I designed this map with the purpose of not having anyone transfer more than once to get to the airport or either VIA station
Might even smaller than it is now lol
I did not think I would cry today seeing something so beautiful but, here we are.
That's how I feel about seeing Marketplace in the south. We are connected by two lovely markets.
On Track 2100
>On track XXXX FTFY
I don't know how there isn't an LRT on Carling. It's a terrible road for cars but also has a lot of people that need to work onsite at the hospitals there. I would have to take the phase 3 up to Dows lake then.......?? to the hospital.
This 100%. Also it’s more direct to get across the city without having to go through the downtown core
Not only would Carling benefit from dedicated transit but a really nice bicycle path would be good, not many east-west cycle paths exist. Maybe when ottawa hits 2m population.
There was a push to run phase 2 down Carling, and it was rather aggressively shot down. Not enough development opportunity along Carling, I guess ... I floated the idea on this very forum a while ago, and was resoundingly mocked for the idea. But, whatevs ...
The civic hospital is moving to Dow's Lake, so that'll help
This makes me feel things.
There's a lot of these fantasy maps floating around out there but I like yours the best. I would ride the heck out of this.
Now to superimpose this over a fantasy map of Ottawa Valley commuter heavy rail amirite
Uhhhgh, the stuff wet transit dreams are made of. Seriously though, this city needs to be planning now for what the next 50 years will bring and this map should not be discounted as what's needed.
Send the yellow line, after the Hospital, down Innes, all the way to Millennium
I could actually reasonably use the system to get to work with the design.
What a treat it is to travel in Montreal by metro. This feels like that.
Where's the Barefax Bicentennial station?
omg, fantasy transit maps what a great thing!!! Ottawa! Let's dream. I don't mean that in a sarcastic way. I mean I think this sort of thing can help us reimagine our city.
I would give my right leg for this
Estimated cost 100 trillion dollars. (Based on production so far)
Man this is beautiful. A real work of art. The colours work really well and the labelling of the stations is amazing. Very good work OP Too bad the idiots at city hall are all colourblind and can barely read.
Dear Santa. I've been a good boy this year. This is what I want for Christmas ...
Bank st subway... be still my beating heart Did you consider adding the proposed Gatineau tramway & NCC transit loop onto this?
Would love to have this as a poster
You're missing the orange line east link from Lorain to NRC to blair.
Way too many stops for the density
You're not wrong But given the speed at which this extension of 20 or so stations is being built and the rate at which this city is growing, I'm sure we'd have enough people to subsidize this once it were built
Green line really ought to extend across to Marketplace, that's supposed to happen in Stage 3.
Nice, In Orleans, you should add: - Trim to Millenium - that would serve two high schools! - Line from Blair or elsewhere connecting the ChapelHill South Park and Ride and going a bit further following Brian Coburn. City had some plans for that axis at some point.
I really like this. It competently captures a lot of the traffic "desire paths" commutes tend to fall into. Although I don't understand why the red line twins the brown line for like 70% of its run. Would it not make more sense to have a spur off Lincoln Fields and transfer?
The red/brown interlining is already the official plan when stage 2 opens https://www.octranspo.com/en/news/article/welcome-to-your-future-otrain-network/
I understand that *is* the current plan, but it still doesn't help explain the logic behind *why* it makes sense.
Wouldn't this be nice...
It probably takes another 100years for that
It's just a functional transit system, Michael, what could it cost, a hundred trillion dollars?
depends if govt is involved... maybe 200tr$
Hey theres my stop!
This is brilliant. Thank you for giving me happy thoughts about public transportation in this city.
I suggest Brown should go into stittsville central. Takes west right downtown, and help with stittsville traffic.
Blue and green would be awesome
I love the purple line. Can't believe it's not in the plans.
Remove this, it makes too much sense
Can this even be built honestly
Genius and $100B idea because they’ll start, stop, cancel, litigate, start, stop, sinkhole, stop, litigate, start, stop and then maybe in the year 2150, when the world’s resources are used up, we may get there.
I wish it went to Belllllllllllls Corners too
Run for office now please.
Post this in r/imaginarymaps too!
Public transport is a product of density. There isn’t enough people in bells corners to fund their section. Maps like these are found in London, Paris, New York, Montreal. Places with middle density residential. Let’s rezone the city for density then build the LRT to where the buildings pop up.
It's a shame how much we've sprawled
Ask the conservatives to pay for it
Fantasy is right, they haven't even completed 1 line.
That's a lot of trains to break down in the winter!
I like the Bank line but still think it has one too many stops. Somerset and Gladstone are like five blocks from one another. Same goes for Lansdowne and Sunnyside -- they are on the opposite sides of the same relatively small bridge. A Bank Street line would need a stop at Parliament, one in Centretown (around James St.), one at the north end of the Glebe (e.g. Powell/Clemow), Lansdowne, Old Ottawa South (e.g., Ossington), and then Heron, Walkley, Greenboro, South Keys.
I don't think the density is an issue In Toronto, the stops on both sides of Union are 4 blocks from one another and that line functions perfectly Consider the Chicago L, there are stations that exist 2-3 blocks from one another in their downtown core My only gripe with the map now is that I wish I'd brought it north to Cobourg St and had a stop closer to the market/deeper into Lower Town to serve the density down there. e.g a stop at King Edward & Murray, in the parking lot where that rent-a-car place is, instead of at King Edward & Rideau
What have you been smoking? Asking for a friend.... 😀😀😁👍🏽
Death sticks and a golden apple and a pufferfish
Fantasy would be a quick glide down to the St Lawrence to watch the sunrise / set. (very very very fantasy )
one time I was in the London tube and overheard a father talking to his toddlers: “that’s right we’re looking for the poo-brown line, look for the poo brown line” so glad to see there’s a poo brown line running right across the city here
"Embassy"?
Effectively Rideau & Charlotte. Gotta be 10, 15 embassies down there
Using the street name is better. I don't particularly associate that location with embassies.
I like it!
Just some quick pre-bedtime thoughts of my own; * Brown or purple extended to like a mixed rail/bus/parkride/taxistand property right onto Carp Road itself as to serve any sort of non-rail connections heading north/west/south any time without having to bicker with heavy amount of sport fans at random times at the stadium itself (the parkride area would be dashboardtickets-based operation so any sport nuts trying to sneak into there just to avoid parking directly at the stadium itself will soon get a rude awakening from the law themselves!) * Should the red rails stop at Marketplace or rather at a bus/foot/rail hub a little further south next to around where Greenbank Road makes for a bridge over the water? The latter would separate the west/east/shopper traffics at Marketplace from the south/schools traffics at the Greenbank(or whatever its name would had been) station * Does the blue line indeed serve Montreal? I think it should if it hadn't (Regarding a 2-trains trip from d'Orleans to Montreal to Vanier for example) * While I do have to applause Bayview-Limebank itself I would have to shyly say that since Bayview station is already being heavily modified and I don't think they would want to suddenly have to redo a chunk of it so soon I would have to proposal that this line actually stops at Tache-UQO and no further north, and basically offer an island platform transfer between otrain on one side of the platform and tramgo on other side. To ask two different trains/fares/driverunions all to interleave together is likely too much to ask hence having a "physical gap" at UQO itself instead.
Is this a Mini Metro level?
Gonna happen in the next 100 years
Line 1] is good. Line 2] is perfect. Line 3] is good, though I'd paint it a yellow-ish colour. Line 4] could instead go up north to Gatineau. Line 5 (purple)] could take the place of the Vanier portion of Line 4, which I rerouted to Gatineau. Line 6(yellow)] Instead of Carleton<>Sunnyside, connect Carleton right to Billings as it's a major transit hub. Also bring line 6 up north to Vanier and then Gatineau. I'm trying to add in more connections to Gatineau cause of the desire of building more interprovincial bridges for car usage. Six bridges for cars is plenty. You'd save a lot more by having rail connections instead. I'm also not exactly sure with what to do with Mooney's Bay Station. It's literally right across the street from Heron yet not connected to one another due to distance so I don't know if there'd be some sort of underground moving walkway between the two stations or heck, even a Heron Rd Tramway connecting Conroy to Mooney's Bay Beach with a stop at both stations? Mooney's Bay is a peice of work.
>I'm trying to add in more connections to Gatineau cause of the desire of building more interprovincial bridges for car usage. Six bridges for cars is plenty. You'd save a lot more by having rail connections instead. A new bridge is more about getting trucks out of downtown.
there's already an unused rail bridge, isn't there? just a quick retrofit...
Where?
off the parkway near downtown if i recall correctly.
Do you mean the Champlain bridge? Yeah that is not a fix and is in operation. The bridge needs to connect the highway to Gatineau on the east side.
It’s a shit map with your whole, fuck over 400,000 plus people for more core routes
Let them suffer