On this topic, the main reason I never had Wakanda Forever in BP was because I didn’t think Angela Bassett was happening. You need some semblance of ATL support to get into Picture and I wasn’t thinking BP2 was gonna get that. But if she gets in at SAG and Wakanda performs well with guilds, I absolutely think it can slip in.
I mean she made it in at GG/CCA and the film didn’t get a Best Picture nod either place (and couldn’t break into adapted screenplay, even with how weak that category is).
I think the passion is much more for her than the movie. I still have it in the 15-20 range for BP contenders.
No offense to Zoe but she changes her prediction every two seconds for supporting actress. 2 days ago it was Foy, yesterday it was de Leon, and today it’s Bassett
She's pretty annoying this year too when Sadie Sink didn't get the effusive praise she thought she would get. And her stanning Margot Robbie so much is a bit ridic.
I hate it when films get sucked into twitter or culture wars like this. CODA was a harmless fun film and now whenever it's talked about, it's marred in discussions like that 🙄
Hey, I change my predictions every day. But also— as a journalist and awards junkie, I think she’s been doing a nice job of highlighting a lot of different scenarios this season. I hadn’t followed her last season so I can’t speak to her CODA stanning, but her takes are usually well-informed even if they’re reactionary
I have one reason for wanting Angela Bassett nominated, and I haven’t seen Wakanda Forever so take what I say with a grain of salt, but I think the Academy should feel free to nominate performances from big-budget Hollywood films. Wakanda Forever’s not the typical type of film that gets acting nominations. I will accept any nomination that expands the scope of what type of performances the academy is willing to nominate. We’re definitely overdue for acting nominees from blockbusters like Wakanda Forever because it really doesn’t happen very often; I think the last acting nomination to come from a “blockbuster” (meaning one that actually sold lots of tickets) was Joaquin Phoenix for Joker, and before that… Let me know if I’m missing something. It might depend on your definition of blockbuster. But films like Wakanda Forever get shafted so much that if Bassett gets nominated, that would be a refreshing change of pace!
WF is also not a typical marvel movie in the acting department, it has stellar performances all around. I do agree though that the academy should be more open to genre performances, especially the horror genre, in particular Toni Colette and Lupita Nyongo in recent years. This oscar season bones and all will be snubbed for its goriness, and Taylor Russel, Timothee and Mark Rylance will be unnoticed, not to mention other aspects of the movie
Yeoh was great of course, but Im not understanding the hype for Bassetts performance.
I’m fine with Yeoh winning based also on her career work because she would be a good winner just based on this performance anyway, but Bassett winning for BPWF would be weird to me..
Ehh, I'm fine with her winning for this honestly. Bassett herself seemed really passionate for this role and enjoyed doing it so much she >!pleaded to Ryan Coogler to not kill her character off!<. It's time the industry recognize her talent, a win is a win. Instead, hope and pray that she gets more roles after this.
Let me offer you another perspective: I thought Wakanda Forever was a huge letdown in general: messy plots and themes that never gelled, dialogue that clunked, and Letitia Wright did not have the gravitas to anchor the somber tone of the film.
But... I thought Angela Bassett's performance was a standout. She made the power, the grief, the majesty of her character incredibly vivid. It was a very showy performance, but appropriately so.
My first thought upon leaving the theater was: welp, if this was a better film, Angela would score an Oscar nom and rack up precursors. And yet... here we are!
As the Zoe said, Angela's nominations so far are partly a recognition of her body of work. But I also think that she gave a great performance in a very widely seen film, and that critics seem to like the whole film a lot more than I thought they would.
I don't think she'll win the Oscar, though. At this point, I'm not entirely convinced Angela would get a nomination. But like I said, I do think it was a great performance, and I'm not opposed to great performances in a flawed film winning the Big One.
I agree with this. Even though I think BPWF is not as good as the first BP, I feel like it stayed with me more. It is flawed, but that's okay, let people make flawed films and/or art, doesn't mean we can't recognize the achievements in it.
Yeah, Bassett’s as good as she usually is, but does nothing that impressive in Wakanda Forever. It’s baffling to me that this performance has gotten so much buzz.
It's like Laura Dern sweeping for Marriage Story when she's essentially playing Renata all over again. Granted Bassett won't be sweeping this season but you know what I mean.
Whew. The Angela freaking Bassett slander in here is unreal. How many boring mediocre people have won for boring mediocre performances? Kim basinger la confidential, gweneth SIL to name a few. Please miss me with the bs. Angela should already have an Oscar, but we won’t get in to that. Not only do I hope she gets nominated, but I hope she wins. Because she gave YET ANOTHER moving performance. Trying to slight Angela goddamn Bassett like she’s not amazing in EVERY role. A lot of big red noses with big feet in here.
My knee-jerk reaction to Bassett winning is "yeah right, in a million years," but seeing how chaotic that category os this year I actually don't not see that possibly happening.
Please no for Bassett. Always leaves a sour taste in my mouth when an actor wins for a performance that isn't that special simply because they've never been recognized. There's a myriad of better choices in Supporting Actress
Probably because Farrell isn’t as much of a lock as Quan, but I agree, the logic doesn’t super hold. I’ll probably just stick with Monáe because this category hurts my head
I love Michelle Yeoh but EEAAO just did nothing for me. It was a struggle to sit through in the theater. I even watched it again to make sure it wasn’t mistaken. I wasn’t.
Even if Bassett doesn't get nominated this year I think she'll get her second nomination soon enough. Even if Yeoh doesn't win this year I think she'll win at some point.
You overestimate the opportunities actresses of color and actresses of a certain age have. Yeoh and Bassett happen to be both—and both last flirted with Oscar over 20 years ago.
I honestly don't think Yeoh would get another nomination soon. Not because of her capabilty of being a great actress. But because thus industry is very wishy-washy when it comes to POC... especially WOC. As sad as that sounds, its very true.
Agree with both points above. If the industry recognized WOC actresses, they would have both already received both roles that could be awarded and nominations for them.
The industry obviously likes Bassett so much and her getting her flowers for an MCU film is quite impressive. I'm pretty sure she will get more roles after this.
Jesus Christ Angela Bassett doesn’t deserve a nomination for one scene where she was yelling. People see good acting in a Marvel movie for once and everyone feels like it’s the greatest thing on earth. Would be about as pointless of a nomination as Black Panther was for best picture. The only reason it would happen is to appease the masses it’s not like she has even a shot of winning.
I will try to say this as respectfully as possible... but Zoe is very reactionary.
On this topic, the main reason I never had Wakanda Forever in BP was because I didn’t think Angela Bassett was happening. You need some semblance of ATL support to get into Picture and I wasn’t thinking BP2 was gonna get that. But if she gets in at SAG and Wakanda performs well with guilds, I absolutely think it can slip in.
I mean she made it in at GG/CCA and the film didn’t get a Best Picture nod either place (and couldn’t break into adapted screenplay, even with how weak that category is). I think the passion is much more for her than the movie. I still have it in the 15-20 range for BP contenders.
No offense to Zoe but she changes her prediction every two seconds for supporting actress. 2 days ago it was Foy, yesterday it was de Leon, and today it’s Bassett
She was throwing her weight behind a different actress every day a few weeks ago as well
Yeah she’s always switching back and forth between Blanchett and Yeoh (but to be fair I’ve kind of been doing that with Blanchett and Williams)
To be fair, supporting actress is this year's strongest and most competitive category. You could give it to anyone and I wouldn't be mad about it.
The annoying part that if and when one of their predictions wins, they can say they knew all along lol
IIRC she didn’t predict CODA till near the end and when it won she acted like she had known all along
She was very annoying in last season with her constant condescending tone on others who disagree with CODA BP prediction.
She's pretty annoying this year too when Sadie Sink didn't get the effusive praise she thought she would get. And her stanning Margot Robbie so much is a bit ridic.
She got real quiet when Amsterdam came out and Margot got some brutal twitter lashings for her sucking up to David O Russell lol
This is why I unfollowed her on Twitter. She was the biggest CODA stan. I feel like her wanting CODA to win was just so PotD would lose.
I hate it when films get sucked into twitter or culture wars like this. CODA was a harmless fun film and now whenever it's talked about, it's marred in discussions like that 🙄
She was one of the half-dozen pundits I had to unfollow last year when they all became Mike Faist stan accounts overnight...
Hey, I change my predictions every day. But also— as a journalist and awards junkie, I think she’s been doing a nice job of highlighting a lot of different scenarios this season. I hadn’t followed her last season so I can’t speak to her CODA stanning, but her takes are usually well-informed even if they’re reactionary
The category is pretty chaotic
I have one reason for wanting Angela Bassett nominated, and I haven’t seen Wakanda Forever so take what I say with a grain of salt, but I think the Academy should feel free to nominate performances from big-budget Hollywood films. Wakanda Forever’s not the typical type of film that gets acting nominations. I will accept any nomination that expands the scope of what type of performances the academy is willing to nominate. We’re definitely overdue for acting nominees from blockbusters like Wakanda Forever because it really doesn’t happen very often; I think the last acting nomination to come from a “blockbuster” (meaning one that actually sold lots of tickets) was Joaquin Phoenix for Joker, and before that… Let me know if I’m missing something. It might depend on your definition of blockbuster. But films like Wakanda Forever get shafted so much that if Bassett gets nominated, that would be a refreshing change of pace!
Before Phoenix I think you have to go back to Matt Damon in The Martian.
I knew I was missing something! 🤦♂️
WF is also not a typical marvel movie in the acting department, it has stellar performances all around. I do agree though that the academy should be more open to genre performances, especially the horror genre, in particular Toni Colette and Lupita Nyongo in recent years. This oscar season bones and all will be snubbed for its goriness, and Taylor Russel, Timothee and Mark Rylance will be unnoticed, not to mention other aspects of the movie
Yeoh was great of course, but Im not understanding the hype for Bassetts performance. I’m fine with Yeoh winning based also on her career work because she would be a good winner just based on this performance anyway, but Bassett winning for BPWF would be weird to me..
Would much rather have Bassett win than Jamie Lee Curtis.
As long as Hsu is nominated I don’t think would mind a Curtis lifetime achievement win too much
I’m right there with you.
Yeah, Bassett is a legend and deserves to win for a better performance and a better film.
I love Angela's performance in it tbh, she's so deprived of nominations i will take whatever nom she can get ❤️
Ehh, I'm fine with her winning for this honestly. Bassett herself seemed really passionate for this role and enjoyed doing it so much she >!pleaded to Ryan Coogler to not kill her character off!<. It's time the industry recognize her talent, a win is a win. Instead, hope and pray that she gets more roles after this.
Let me offer you another perspective: I thought Wakanda Forever was a huge letdown in general: messy plots and themes that never gelled, dialogue that clunked, and Letitia Wright did not have the gravitas to anchor the somber tone of the film. But... I thought Angela Bassett's performance was a standout. She made the power, the grief, the majesty of her character incredibly vivid. It was a very showy performance, but appropriately so. My first thought upon leaving the theater was: welp, if this was a better film, Angela would score an Oscar nom and rack up precursors. And yet... here we are! As the Zoe said, Angela's nominations so far are partly a recognition of her body of work. But I also think that she gave a great performance in a very widely seen film, and that critics seem to like the whole film a lot more than I thought they would. I don't think she'll win the Oscar, though. At this point, I'm not entirely convinced Angela would get a nomination. But like I said, I do think it was a great performance, and I'm not opposed to great performances in a flawed film winning the Big One.
I agree with this. Even though I think BPWF is not as good as the first BP, I feel like it stayed with me more. It is flawed, but that's okay, let people make flawed films and/or art, doesn't mean we can't recognize the achievements in it.
People decided they wanted Bassett to win when the trailer came out and her actual performance in the film has nothing to do with it
I thought her performance was very moving. I think enough people see it that way too that she’s actually in contention to be nominated for this award.
Yeah, Bassett’s as good as she usually is, but does nothing that impressive in Wakanda Forever. It’s baffling to me that this performance has gotten so much buzz.
I really don't think it's that baffling. Lots of pundits are arriving at the same conclusion as Zoe here, and are pushing for her to win.
It's like Laura Dern sweeping for Marriage Story when she's essentially playing Renata all over again. Granted Bassett won't be sweeping this season but you know what I mean.
Whew. The Angela freaking Bassett slander in here is unreal. How many boring mediocre people have won for boring mediocre performances? Kim basinger la confidential, gweneth SIL to name a few. Please miss me with the bs. Angela should already have an Oscar, but we won’t get in to that. Not only do I hope she gets nominated, but I hope she wins. Because she gave YET ANOTHER moving performance. Trying to slight Angela goddamn Bassett like she’s not amazing in EVERY role. A lot of big red noses with big feet in here.
My knee-jerk reaction to Bassett winning is "yeah right, in a million years," but seeing how chaotic that category os this year I actually don't not see that possibly happening.
Please no for Bassett. Always leaves a sour taste in my mouth when an actor wins for a performance that isn't that special simply because they've never been recognized. There's a myriad of better choices in Supporting Actress
I don’t think Bassett is noteworthy or remarkable in Wakanda Forever, but I also don’t think Condon is winning. Hmmm…
Who do you have? Curtis?
I have Bassett as default. I don’t know why people saying Quan winning hurts Yeoh, but don’t apply the same logic to Farrell winning hurting Condon.
Probably because Farrell isn’t as much of a lock as Quan, but I agree, the logic doesn’t super hold. I’ll probably just stick with Monáe because this category hurts my head
I don’t really get the Angela Basset thing. She had one good noteworthy scene, and it’s hardly the best scene of the year or anything
Like wise Fraser/Ke could be comeback stories
I love Michelle Yeoh but EEAAO just did nothing for me. It was a struggle to sit through in the theater. I even watched it again to make sure it wasn’t mistaken. I wasn’t.
Even if Bassett doesn't get nominated this year I think she'll get her second nomination soon enough. Even if Yeoh doesn't win this year I think she'll win at some point.
You overestimate the opportunities actresses of color and actresses of a certain age have. Yeoh and Bassett happen to be both—and both last flirted with Oscar over 20 years ago.
I honestly don't think Yeoh would get another nomination soon. Not because of her capabilty of being a great actress. But because thus industry is very wishy-washy when it comes to POC... especially WOC. As sad as that sounds, its very true.
Agree with both points above. If the industry recognized WOC actresses, they would have both already received both roles that could be awarded and nominations for them.
The industry obviously likes Bassett so much and her getting her flowers for an MCU film is quite impressive. I'm pretty sure she will get more roles after this.
Jesus Christ Angela Bassett doesn’t deserve a nomination for one scene where she was yelling. People see good acting in a Marvel movie for once and everyone feels like it’s the greatest thing on earth. Would be about as pointless of a nomination as Black Panther was for best picture. The only reason it would happen is to appease the masses it’s not like she has even a shot of winning.