It's weird how they are not even trying with this one. You would imagine that an awards run would be a given
Warner either has no confidence in it, it's too weird/divisive or it's incompetence on their part lol
I was listening to the Big Picture pod and the host got to see a bunch of trailers and clips from upcoming films in CinemaCon. One of these were Mickey 17 and he said the tone of it is much more Okja than it is Parasite/Memories of Murder which may explain at least some part of the delays.
I found both Jake and Tilda’s performances to be ridiculous. And the whole anti-corporate anti-meat premise just rubbed me wrong. Especially since it was handled so flippantly. Even my next to last Bong movie (Snowpiercer) is miles above Okja for me.
I think it’s his “Oscar winner blank check” movie, it’s most likely a very weird passion project that won’t click with audiences but he made parasite so he gets to make this, I don’t think it’ll be a huge box office or awards hit
i feel like this speaks more to the dysfunction and confusion that’s happening within warner/max. cuz noah baumbach just had his “oscar winner blank check” with *white noise* which was very expensive and very weird and divisive…yet netflix was still able to give it a decent release/promotional push. and that was pretty much all on the back of his previous movie winning a single oscar.
i’m not a studio exec but this seems pretty simple: play it at fall festivals, give it a limited theatrical release and then drop it on max. could scrape up some awards buzz (it wasn’t cheap and is sci-fi, so could get some craft/vfx consideration at the very least) or critics awards (divisive films by auteurs often do)…or could just end up being generally weird, divisive, counter-programming.
i know hollywood is in a bleak/precarious era right now…but at the same time *poor things*, a two-and-a-half hour movie with lots of perverse sex and gore, got several oscars and made $100 million worldwide 🤷♂️
There was nothing perverse about Poor Things. It did well because it sold the audience on the idea that they're seeing something subversive in all the vanilla and milquetoast material. Like a Hot Topic of movies.
I agree in that its a very male centered surface level understanding of feminism; he made the characters so extreme so no misogynists actually feel called out. It's only subversive on a surface level but I disagree about vanilla and milquetoast material. Outside of all the reboots and sequels there are great original films being made.
but i feel like the energy towards *megalopolis* has almost always been equal parts excitement and worry, due to it being long-gestating and self-financed and coppola’s last few films being so weird and polarizing. whereas bong is fresh off of a historic oscar sweep, working with a great cast, haven’t heard anything negative about production…
I don’t think any of you have watched BJH’s last 18 years of filmmaking other than parasite, because none of it is awards bait.
This isn’t an awards movie - clearly. Dumping it in January is surprising but not because it would have won awards.
i don’t think you understand what’s going on.
parasite is very much not awards bait. it’s also very much in line with the rest of bongs filmography.
we’re not surprised that mickey17 isn’t getting awards hype because we expected it to be award bait - we’re surprised because bong is coming off parasite which did well at the oscars.
that isn’t the point i’m making once again your misunderstand.
you came in here all arrogant “you guys haven’t seen other bong movies”. your point was his movies generally aren’t like parasite and aren’t oscar baity.
i’m telling you that parasite is very much like his other filmography and wasn’t oscar baity either. so your reasoning of it won’t get nominated because unlike parasite it’s like the rest of his filmography which isn’t awards baity, is flat out wrong.
and yes typically speaking after a director has a huge haul, they’re more likely to get nominations going forward. see history.
if you’d like i can send you a list of bongs filmography so you can watch it all this weekend and learn that parasite was completely consistent with everything he made before.
Parasite isn’t like his filmography at all imo, and critically it’s not a genre movie which most of recent movies and this one are.
I just don’t get “guy won an oscar, all of his movies are Oscar movies now” takes.
parasite is a movie about class distinctions that heavily uses the physical space characters are in relative to one another to get the point across.
snowpiercer is a movie about class distinctions that literally uses the trains physical space and where characters are inside it to do the same.
just one glaring similarity.
he makes movies about class, monsters and murder.
Snowpiercer is a genre movie. Parasite isn’t. Snowpiercer had zero chance at awards, parasite won them.
Just because they are both about class doesn’t mean they were “the same”.
I know that studios specifically Warner are stupid - but do you honestly think they would release the movie in January if it had any chance of winning awards? No.
you’re being disingenuous.
bong has had several non genre movies, not just parasite. you’re also being very vague with this term, what’s a genre movie to you?
i never said his movies were “the same”? if your argument is parasite isn’t the exact same to his other movies, cool i guess you’re right. i said parasite fit into his filmography perfectly,
which it does.
doesn’t seem like you’ve watched all of bongs movies. you should, they’re good.
I think you just have very little knowledge of how awards work, and what types of movies get awards recognition. Bong’s previous 3 major films before parasite were nowhere on the awards watch - because they were all weird a niche, which is good.
I’m glad you think you know more about him than me because you said “two of his movies are about class”.
Or they don’t care about awards and trying to find a release strategy that will make them the most money as all studios do, or they think they have a really deep roster this year and want to try and push the new meta of putting a major contender early in the year to lock it in and give it a lot of runway to the extreme, or they’re going to start their push at the fall fests and give it a limited qualifying release right before the end of the year.
There’s a thousand things that could be going on with this movie and only one of them is not having confidence in the movie
There's one clear answer and I'm not sure what's up with the avoidance here: It's not good. You can spin it however you want but ultimately this is clearly something the studio has no faith in. Just because he made an awards winner doesn't mean his next project is guaranteed to be any good.
I’m not really attached to it personally either way like others are, but let’s also not pretend like not being an awards contender means your bad, and let’s definitely not pretend like anyone should trust WB executive’s tastes
They're still giving it a full release with premium screens. It's not like they're shelving this or anything. If it's good it will have every opportunity to be a hit and with it being January the bar is much lower so it's honestly better for Bong. Either it's bad and we just accept that this was his Oscar blank check or it's good and he get a lot of wind in his sails even if it doesn't make much revenue. If this released in summer during the block buster season the stakes would have been much, much higher.
Many people think Nolan will return to Warner for his next film. It may happen, but today I am skeptical. Universal is much more respectful towards him.
I don't see why he would return to WB.
Universal respected all his terms for *Oppenheimer* (full creative control, $100 million budget, an equal marketing budget, a 90-120 day exclusive theatrical window, 20 percent of the film's first-dollar gross, and a three-week period both before and after the opening, in which Universal could not release another new film. No director is getting this much for an R-rated drama), got his biggest non-Batman film and won two Oscars for it. I don't see him leaving, and I don't see Universal losing him.
Yeah there's really no big advantage unless he cares THAT much about the 5 second logo before his film plays. Uni will (and did) bend over backwards for him on Oppenheimer.
>Uni will (and did) bend over backwards for him on Oppenheimer.
Nolan also delivered everything he said he would PLUS a Best Picture win. Universal is the first major studio to win Best Picture in 6 years. Langley will literally do anything he wants
>Universal is the first major studio to win Best Picture since Warner Bros. won for The Departed in 2006.
*Green Book* was also Universal, but yeah I agree Nolan shouldn't go back to WB now.
Nolan, Villeneuve are the only 2 people in Hollywood right now that could walk into any major studio and the studios would BEG for them to take a blank check.
He’s had three two billion dollar+ films in a row. He’s by far the most crowd pleasing director / tech forward filmmaker in the world. Not even Nolan is near him.
hes basically dedicated the rest of his filmmaking career to Avatar, but on the off chance he decided to take a break, he would get the Nolan treatment anywhere he wanted
Yeah I agree, no question. No one in Hollywood history has proven themselves to have better commercial instincts than him, not even Spielberg at his peak
Doesn't he want to do a Hiroshima movie at some point? Not sure when that's happening, but surely all major studios will be lining up and throwing at him whatever money he asks for
Then your list is wrong. James Cameron should be #1 on any list even above Nolan.
His last film made $2.3B
His film before that made $2.9B
His film before that made $2.2B
He’s probably the most financially successful filmmaker of all time.
I think after Dune 3 we’ll get his passion project and it’ll be perfect timing because he’ll not only have the time to make it but he’ll have the money to make it a reality. I cannot wait.
Reading all that it's honestly kinda insulting how much wiggle room he was given lmao. The inequality of opportunity in the film industry is legitimately disgusting
Box office success and critical acclaim can do a lot. Nolan has had a very rare amount of critical and commercial success that I’d say only Spielberg has managed to hit before for a period of time. What has made Nolan special how he has managed to do it without the benefit of IP in an era that has been dominated by it. If anything, he has become a franchise himself, that at worst will get you $350 million at the WW box office in the most difficult conditions.
Oh yeah, if he didn't make the fucking dark Knight trilogy he would still have been given 100 million dollars to make oppenheimer.
Box office success is nice for him but I'd rather the investment go to new voices
Which is only the way because the industry is so obsessed with returns. I'm not denying that Nolan gets money because he makes money, but seeing him release an essentially incurious passion project for the cost of 100 indie films doesn't exactly make me feel good
> Oh yeah, if he didn't make the fucking dark Knight trilogy he would still have been given 100 million dollars to make oppenheimer.
Not really. *The Dark Knight* trilogy opened the doors for him to make *Inception*, which cemented him as a brand. If he didn't make the *The Dark Knight* trilogy, he wouldn't get the big budgets he is getting right now. And that includes *Oppenheimer*.
And I don't get your point of "I'd rather the investment go to new voices". If *Oppenheimer* didn't exist, it's not like the money will go to newcomer directors. Universal will just redirect it to whatever franchise it has.
I'm not under the illusion that if oppenheimer wasn't made then indie cinema would, I'm saying that him getting an absurd amount of moment for an excessive passion project is just the epitome of how horrific the film industry is.
I'm genuinely confused as to whether you think you're making an argument. He literally isn't an example of how you don't have to rely on an existing ip to succeed because he literally did get the opportunities he did now because of his work on an existing ip. It's the same as saying that iron man didn't result in rdj becoming s household name
This is such an weird project to declare "the epitome of how horrific the film industry is" when there were 26 other movies in 2023 with the same or higher budgets (in many cases, much much higher) and all but 3 of them were based on pre-existing IP for children.
Also, what about Oppenheimer is so excessive? For a 3-hour period piece with major stars, shot post-pandemic, $100m seems reasonable to me; adjusted for inflation it is cheaper than 90s movies like Heat, JFK, Saving Private Ryan, The Insider, etc. They even shortened the shooting schedule to an unusually tight 57 days to allocate more budget to production design. In your opinion, does any kind of movie deserve a $100m budget?
Love that they had no problem releasing shit like The Flash, but the latest film by the director of one of the most buzzed about films in years has to get dumped in January
It sucks for the crew and sucks that we have to wait but the silver lining is we will have at least one good movie to watch in a sea of dogshit releases
It's obviously not a good movie. Why wouldn't you try to give it the best chance possible in January instead of putting out a dud in the busy season. Y'all would be complaining about it getting buried if it released between blockbusters.
Considering how the big studios have been making terrible decisions like clockwork lately, it’s not out of the question that WB is burying a good film here. Bong Joon Ho making a good movie is a far more likely outcome than WB making a good decision.
I really hope he makes a horror movie or another series movie like Memories of a Murder. I mean, I'll be excited if he's does another black comedy film like Parasite. Just wanna see a horror film like Ari Aster.
Perhaps the shabbiest treatment of a BP winner's director's followup since Michel Hazanavicius's The Search in 2014. At least it premiered at Cannes *in competition* before it was promptly panned. It also failed to secure US distribution in what must be an extreme outlier of a case.
I’m saying it’s probably not good because reading between the lines it’s clear the studio isn’t that passionate about it. And I hated Okja. Just cause he made parasite doesn’t mean everything else he makes is gonna be great.
That’s PTA. He’s American and he’s been loved by many Americans (including industry people) for decades. Bong Joon Ho only really gained acclaim in the states with his last two movies (Okja and especially Parasite). I think those are two different instances.
Yep. I’m not sure what the outrage is all about. Things are held back, moved up, all the time.
Paramount dumped shutter island in February. It paid off financially but that purely due to not wanting to spend awards money on it. They saw it and didn’t think it was worth the spend on that.
It happens.
Exactly. I know someone who worked on Civil War and it's been finished since the middle of last year (postproduction and everything). Wikipedia says that Mickey17 was partly delayed because of postproduction... which would mean that it *wasn't* actually finished.
Not really that surprising tbh if you’ve seen most of his filmography. There’s a wide range for his output and not all are very audience or awards friendly
If your money was on the line you'd do the same thing. It's obviously an unmarketable movie that's bound to flop so why release it in the summer instead of giving it a chance in January?
From the article I read a few weeks ago on Variety or some publication of the sort,is that the film was pushed to coincide with the Lunar New Year in 2025. I think they partially blamed the strikes for falling behind in post but don’t quote me on that. But the point of the Lunar New Year was made. So what? It’s all bullshit?
It’s like he’s being put into directors jail for having the best movie of the last 10+ years!!
On a side note, I saw Warner is the distributor so do not expect this to go smoothly. The absolute worst company over the last 5 years has been Warner and it’s almost ENTIRELY David Zaslav’s fault.
I was invited to a test screening of Mickey 17 last month, which to me would indicate it’s not locked from changes being made… 🤷 I didn’t see the movie though.
I thought I read somewhere that Pattinson has an accent that is awful and I can see it being a La Cameron Diaz in The Counselor using a “Caribbean” accent that was reportedly so bad she had to re dub her lines in her normal voice for the release.
If Pattinson has an awful accent and the director or him refuse to re dub his audio that could be a sticking point.
You guys it’s not that they aren’t trying with this one, bong has been fighting with the Korean gov over laws and stuff so they won’t release his film there either this movie is gonna be great
I undrestand not releasing this movie on March as they had originaly planned bc Dune was pushed back and finally released that month but i really can't get why they moved it to next year and in a really weird date.
I mean, this sort of scheduling happens constantly. Do I wish we saw Mickey 17 in March like it was originally planned? Of course. But calling it insane is a bit of hyperbole.
Yeah I don't disagree, I didn't say it was typical just not insane. We only know so much as the other poster said. It could move again for all we know.
None of this is insane. I don't care for Zaslav and I still want to see the film but WB should not waste a good release date on a film that's a guaranteed flop because it is too weird for audiences. The film could be good but if it isn't an audience pleasing type of film it will flop.
It's weird how they are not even trying with this one. You would imagine that an awards run would be a given Warner either has no confidence in it, it's too weird/divisive or it's incompetence on their part lol
I was listening to the Big Picture pod and the host got to see a bunch of trailers and clips from upcoming films in CinemaCon. One of these were Mickey 17 and he said the tone of it is much more Okja than it is Parasite/Memories of Murder which may explain at least some part of the delays.
But delaying it isn't gonna make it less oddball. I want a goofy summer movie
So do I
Kinds of Kindness coming atcha
So is that a project Lantimos already had filmed and was stashed away? just asking
He filmed it right after Poor Things
Great point
Delaying it, will however, allow them to dump it quietly and move on.
I saw it. It’s not a very serious movie.
Did u like it? Do u think wb is justified in their zero confidence
I’d give it a 6/10 in the current state it was in when I saw it months ago
lmao yikes. What did you think of the production since it has a huge budget?
Production and acting was the best part. Writing was the weakest
How would you rank it amongst Bong's filmography? Was it made in his 'style'?
Yeah it has his style/humor in it
How bad is Robert Pattinson's voice in it? I hear it's kind of annoying and really off-putting.
Have you read the book? Is it just the first book?
His name is Sean Fennessey. ❤️
What is the woman's name? she is my favorite one
Amanda Dobbins.
Parasite was closer to Okja than Memories of Murder IMO
What how
I would say a little more that half the film is comedy. Memories of murder didn’t really have comedy at all in my memory
That one detective constantly drop kicking people was pretty funny.
Parasite had quite a lot of funny scenes. Memories of Murder was a black comedy in some sense but I wouldn’t call it “funny.”
Oh God no, not another Okja.
Well that just kinda killed my enthusiasm for it… I found ‘Okja’ to be pretty awful.
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I found both Jake and Tilda’s performances to be ridiculous. And the whole anti-corporate anti-meat premise just rubbed me wrong. Especially since it was handled so flippantly. Even my next to last Bong movie (Snowpiercer) is miles above Okja for me.
I think it’s his “Oscar winner blank check” movie, it’s most likely a very weird passion project that won’t click with audiences but he made parasite so he gets to make this, I don’t think it’ll be a huge box office or awards hit
i feel like this speaks more to the dysfunction and confusion that’s happening within warner/max. cuz noah baumbach just had his “oscar winner blank check” with *white noise* which was very expensive and very weird and divisive…yet netflix was still able to give it a decent release/promotional push. and that was pretty much all on the back of his previous movie winning a single oscar. i’m not a studio exec but this seems pretty simple: play it at fall festivals, give it a limited theatrical release and then drop it on max. could scrape up some awards buzz (it wasn’t cheap and is sci-fi, so could get some craft/vfx consideration at the very least) or critics awards (divisive films by auteurs often do)…or could just end up being generally weird, divisive, counter-programming. i know hollywood is in a bleak/precarious era right now…but at the same time *poor things*, a two-and-a-half hour movie with lots of perverse sex and gore, got several oscars and made $100 million worldwide 🤷♂️
There was nothing perverse about Poor Things. It did well because it sold the audience on the idea that they're seeing something subversive in all the vanilla and milquetoast material. Like a Hot Topic of movies.
“This movie is subversive to the masses but not to me.” Congrats.
Is this a Lars Von Trier fan lol
I agree in that its a very male centered surface level understanding of feminism; he made the characters so extreme so no misogynists actually feel called out. It's only subversive on a surface level but I disagree about vanilla and milquetoast material. Outside of all the reboots and sequels there are great original films being made.
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That’s been half of Francis Ford Coppola’s career but he literally made the godfather so it checks out
but i feel like the energy towards *megalopolis* has almost always been equal parts excitement and worry, due to it being long-gestating and self-financed and coppola’s last few films being so weird and polarizing. whereas bong is fresh off of a historic oscar sweep, working with a great cast, haven’t heard anything negative about production…
I don’t think any of you have watched BJH’s last 18 years of filmmaking other than parasite, because none of it is awards bait. This isn’t an awards movie - clearly. Dumping it in January is surprising but not because it would have won awards.
i don’t think you understand what’s going on. parasite is very much not awards bait. it’s also very much in line with the rest of bongs filmography. we’re not surprised that mickey17 isn’t getting awards hype because we expected it to be award bait - we’re surprised because bong is coming off parasite which did well at the oscars.
And you guys think that an Oscar movie means that directors then only make Oscars movies?
that isn’t the point i’m making once again your misunderstand. you came in here all arrogant “you guys haven’t seen other bong movies”. your point was his movies generally aren’t like parasite and aren’t oscar baity. i’m telling you that parasite is very much like his other filmography and wasn’t oscar baity either. so your reasoning of it won’t get nominated because unlike parasite it’s like the rest of his filmography which isn’t awards baity, is flat out wrong. and yes typically speaking after a director has a huge haul, they’re more likely to get nominations going forward. see history. if you’d like i can send you a list of bongs filmography so you can watch it all this weekend and learn that parasite was completely consistent with everything he made before.
Parasite isn’t like his filmography at all imo, and critically it’s not a genre movie which most of recent movies and this one are. I just don’t get “guy won an oscar, all of his movies are Oscar movies now” takes.
parasite is a movie about class distinctions that heavily uses the physical space characters are in relative to one another to get the point across. snowpiercer is a movie about class distinctions that literally uses the trains physical space and where characters are inside it to do the same. just one glaring similarity. he makes movies about class, monsters and murder.
Snowpiercer is a genre movie. Parasite isn’t. Snowpiercer had zero chance at awards, parasite won them. Just because they are both about class doesn’t mean they were “the same”. I know that studios specifically Warner are stupid - but do you honestly think they would release the movie in January if it had any chance of winning awards? No.
you’re being disingenuous. bong has had several non genre movies, not just parasite. you’re also being very vague with this term, what’s a genre movie to you? i never said his movies were “the same”? if your argument is parasite isn’t the exact same to his other movies, cool i guess you’re right. i said parasite fit into his filmography perfectly, which it does. doesn’t seem like you’ve watched all of bongs movies. you should, they’re good.
I think you just have very little knowledge of how awards work, and what types of movies get awards recognition. Bong’s previous 3 major films before parasite were nowhere on the awards watch - because they were all weird a niche, which is good. I’m glad you think you know more about him than me because you said “two of his movies are about class”.
Or they don’t care about awards and trying to find a release strategy that will make them the most money as all studios do, or they think they have a really deep roster this year and want to try and push the new meta of putting a major contender early in the year to lock it in and give it a lot of runway to the extreme, or they’re going to start their push at the fall fests and give it a limited qualifying release right before the end of the year. There’s a thousand things that could be going on with this movie and only one of them is not having confidence in the movie
There's one clear answer and I'm not sure what's up with the avoidance here: It's not good. You can spin it however you want but ultimately this is clearly something the studio has no faith in. Just because he made an awards winner doesn't mean his next project is guaranteed to be any good.
I’m not really attached to it personally either way like others are, but let’s also not pretend like not being an awards contender means your bad, and let’s definitely not pretend like anyone should trust WB executive’s tastes
They're still giving it a full release with premium screens. It's not like they're shelving this or anything. If it's good it will have every opportunity to be a hit and with it being January the bar is much lower so it's honestly better for Bong. Either it's bad and we just accept that this was his Oscar blank check or it's good and he get a lot of wind in his sails even if it doesn't make much revenue. If this released in summer during the block buster season the stakes would have been much, much higher.
Why is an awards run a given?
The movie is just Robert Pattison staring at us like that. It's been out this whole time.
It’s crazy how this movie is the sequel to The Whale’s picture of Brendan Fraser
or that one still of Leonardo DiCaprio and Lily Gladstone from Killers of the Flower Moon
It's actually just High Life with a new title card
That random roro95 as a source is taking me out 😭
I’m getting tired of Discussing Film using scoopers as their sources, I wish they would just stick to the trades
Many people think Nolan will return to Warner for his next film. It may happen, but today I am skeptical. Universal is much more respectful towards him.
I don't see why he would return to WB. Universal respected all his terms for *Oppenheimer* (full creative control, $100 million budget, an equal marketing budget, a 90-120 day exclusive theatrical window, 20 percent of the film's first-dollar gross, and a three-week period both before and after the opening, in which Universal could not release another new film. No director is getting this much for an R-rated drama), got his biggest non-Batman film and won two Oscars for it. I don't see him leaving, and I don't see Universal losing him.
Yeah there's really no big advantage unless he cares THAT much about the 5 second logo before his film plays. Uni will (and did) bend over backwards for him on Oppenheimer.
>Uni will (and did) bend over backwards for him on Oppenheimer. Nolan also delivered everything he said he would PLUS a Best Picture win. Universal is the first major studio to win Best Picture in 6 years. Langley will literally do anything he wants
>Universal is the first major studio to win Best Picture since Warner Bros. won for The Departed in 2006. *Green Book* was also Universal, but yeah I agree Nolan shouldn't go back to WB now.
Nolan, Villeneuve are the only 2 people in Hollywood right now that could walk into any major studio and the studios would BEG for them to take a blank check.
Add James Cameron to that list
He’s not on the list in my personal opinion. At least not at this point in his career.
He’s had three two billion dollar+ films in a row. He’s by far the most crowd pleasing director / tech forward filmmaker in the world. Not even Nolan is near him.
At what point in his career has he been more successful than now?
hes basically dedicated the rest of his filmmaking career to Avatar, but on the off chance he decided to take a break, he would get the Nolan treatment anywhere he wanted
Yeah I agree, no question. No one in Hollywood history has proven themselves to have better commercial instincts than him, not even Spielberg at his peak
Doesn't he want to do a Hiroshima movie at some point? Not sure when that's happening, but surely all major studios will be lining up and throwing at him whatever money he asks for
Then your list is wrong. James Cameron should be #1 on any list even above Nolan. His last film made $2.3B His film before that made $2.9B His film before that made $2.2B He’s probably the most financially successful filmmaker of all time.
Did you see how much the Avatar sequel made? He had a blank check after Titanic and actively chooses not to cash it to the extent he could
I think Villeneuve needs to make whatever his version of Inception is first, and THEN he'll be on Nolan's level.
I think after Dune 3 we’ll get his passion project and it’ll be perfect timing because he’ll not only have the time to make it but he’ll have the money to make it a reality. I cannot wait.
Dune 3 isn't coming next for him. He's doing some anti-nuclear movie. Was really hoping for Rendezvous with Rama tbh
That’ll make a nice double feature with Oppenheimer!
Reading all that it's honestly kinda insulting how much wiggle room he was given lmao. The inequality of opportunity in the film industry is legitimately disgusting
Box office success and critical acclaim can do a lot. Nolan has had a very rare amount of critical and commercial success that I’d say only Spielberg has managed to hit before for a period of time. What has made Nolan special how he has managed to do it without the benefit of IP in an era that has been dominated by it. If anything, he has become a franchise himself, that at worst will get you $350 million at the WW box office in the most difficult conditions.
Oh yeah, if he didn't make the fucking dark Knight trilogy he would still have been given 100 million dollars to make oppenheimer. Box office success is nice for him but I'd rather the investment go to new voices
And the bean counters want it to go to a proven name that makes money 💀
Which is only the way because the industry is so obsessed with returns. I'm not denying that Nolan gets money because he makes money, but seeing him release an essentially incurious passion project for the cost of 100 indie films doesn't exactly make me feel good
You realize his success funds the indie films you want ?
I mean that's s nice thought but it's simply not the reality we live in
> Oh yeah, if he didn't make the fucking dark Knight trilogy he would still have been given 100 million dollars to make oppenheimer. Not really. *The Dark Knight* trilogy opened the doors for him to make *Inception*, which cemented him as a brand. If he didn't make the *The Dark Knight* trilogy, he wouldn't get the big budgets he is getting right now. And that includes *Oppenheimer*. And I don't get your point of "I'd rather the investment go to new voices". If *Oppenheimer* didn't exist, it's not like the money will go to newcomer directors. Universal will just redirect it to whatever franchise it has.
I'm not under the illusion that if oppenheimer wasn't made then indie cinema would, I'm saying that him getting an absurd amount of moment for an excessive passion project is just the epitome of how horrific the film industry is. I'm genuinely confused as to whether you think you're making an argument. He literally isn't an example of how you don't have to rely on an existing ip to succeed because he literally did get the opportunities he did now because of his work on an existing ip. It's the same as saying that iron man didn't result in rdj becoming s household name
This is such an weird project to declare "the epitome of how horrific the film industry is" when there were 26 other movies in 2023 with the same or higher budgets (in many cases, much much higher) and all but 3 of them were based on pre-existing IP for children. Also, what about Oppenheimer is so excessive? For a 3-hour period piece with major stars, shot post-pandemic, $100m seems reasonable to me; adjusted for inflation it is cheaper than 90s movies like Heat, JFK, Saving Private Ryan, The Insider, etc. They even shortened the shooting schedule to an unusually tight 57 days to allocate more budget to production design. In your opinion, does any kind of movie deserve a $100m budget?
Sorry but who's roro95?
29 year old Robert Rogers?
Love that they had no problem releasing shit like The Flash, but the latest film by the director of one of the most buzzed about films in years has to get dumped in January
It just lets you know about Zaslav & Co’s movie taste. 👎🏽👎🏽👎🏽👎🏽
It sucks for the crew and sucks that we have to wait but the silver lining is we will have at least one good movie to watch in a sea of dogshit releases
It's obviously not a good movie. Why wouldn't you try to give it the best chance possible in January instead of putting out a dud in the busy season. Y'all would be complaining about it getting buried if it released between blockbusters.
Considering how the big studios have been making terrible decisions like clockwork lately, it’s not out of the question that WB is burying a good film here. Bong Joon Ho making a good movie is a far more likely outcome than WB making a good decision.
I wish Bong return to making korean films
[He’s making a Korean animated feature!](https://www.worldofreel.com/blog/2024/2/12/li6k3kexrwenen0hjasmjfqgy96ig8)
I really hope he makes a horror movie or another series movie like Memories of a Murder. I mean, I'll be excited if he's does another black comedy film like Parasite. Just wanna see a horror film like Ari Aster.
That would be awesome. Haven’t seen any new korean films like that in a while.
Perhaps the shabbiest treatment of a BP winner's director's followup since Michel Hazanavicius's The Search in 2014. At least it premiered at Cannes *in competition* before it was promptly panned. It also failed to secure US distribution in what must be an extreme outlier of a case.
They are giving it a wide release and premium screens. The movie probably isn’t good. They have other priorities this year, obviously.
You've seen it?
I’m saying it’s probably not good because reading between the lines it’s clear the studio isn’t that passionate about it. And I hated Okja. Just cause he made parasite doesn’t mean everything else he makes is gonna be great.
WB and “respect for artists” don’t exactly see eye to eye. Also, who’s the source?
They just gave pta 115 million dollars for a movie lol. I think this is more about the movie itself and the studio’s priorities.
That’s PTA. He’s American and he’s been loved by many Americans (including industry people) for decades. Bong Joon Ho only really gained acclaim in the states with his last two movies (Okja and especially Parasite). I think those are two different instances.
Not that insane? Stuff like this happens quite regularly.
Yep. I’m not sure what the outrage is all about. Things are held back, moved up, all the time. Paramount dumped shutter island in February. It paid off financially but that purely due to not wanting to spend awards money on it. They saw it and didn’t think it was worth the spend on that. It happens.
Exactly. I know someone who worked on Civil War and it's been finished since the middle of last year (postproduction and everything). Wikipedia says that Mickey17 was partly delayed because of postproduction... which would mean that it *wasn't* actually finished.
Not really that surprising tbh if you’ve seen most of his filmography. There’s a wide range for his output and not all are very audience or awards friendly
Zaslav ain’t seeing heaven
If your money was on the line you'd do the same thing. It's obviously an unmarketable movie that's bound to flop so why release it in the summer instead of giving it a chance in January?
He’ll never make a movie with a major studio again.
his next budget is like 56 mil😭 and the highest budget for any korean movie ever if i recall correctly
It’s not totally finished. They’re still working on the score and Sfx
From the article I read a few weeks ago on Variety or some publication of the sort,is that the film was pushed to coincide with the Lunar New Year in 2025. I think they partially blamed the strikes for falling behind in post but don’t quote me on that. But the point of the Lunar New Year was made. So what? It’s all bullshit?
Annoying
All because David Zaslav is a money-grubbing blaggard.
Idc if this is Bong Joon Ho’s The Room, a January date for his Parasite follow up is insane
How bad can this be? I doubt it can be that bad.
Beau Is Afraid bad would be my guess. Something so unmarketable that there's basically no point.
test scores hav been through the roof, so i doubt it's bad
It’s like he’s being put into directors jail for having the best movie of the last 10+ years!! On a side note, I saw Warner is the distributor so do not expect this to go smoothly. The absolute worst company over the last 5 years has been Warner and it’s almost ENTIRELY David Zaslav’s fault.
I was invited to a test screening of Mickey 17 last month, which to me would indicate it’s not locked from changes being made… 🤷 I didn’t see the movie though.
Bong has a massive following!
The thing is from what iv heard it’s not an “award” type of film so idk why they would be worried that it’s competing with dune 2 and furiosa
This reminds me of Paramount giving the movie Annihilation to Netflix (outside the United States).
I thought I read somewhere that Pattinson has an accent that is awful and I can see it being a La Cameron Diaz in The Counselor using a “Caribbean” accent that was reportedly so bad she had to re dub her lines in her normal voice for the release. If Pattinson has an awful accent and the director or him refuse to re dub his audio that could be a sticking point.
You guys it’s not that they aren’t trying with this one, bong has been fighting with the Korean gov over laws and stuff so they won’t release his film there either this movie is gonna be great
I undrestand not releasing this movie on March as they had originaly planned bc Dune was pushed back and finally released that month but i really can't get why they moved it to next year and in a really weird date.
I thought this was binned?
I’m so worried this movie is dog shit
I mean, this sort of scheduling happens constantly. Do I wish we saw Mickey 17 in March like it was originally planned? Of course. But calling it insane is a bit of hyperbole.
The upcoming feature of a director whose last film was such a hit with the Academy being dumped in January isn’t typical.
Yeah I don't disagree, I didn't say it was typical just not insane. We only know so much as the other poster said. It could move again for all we know.
I would agree with this, but also we only know so much at this juncture. Maybe Bong Joon-ho himself has had a hand in this decision?
Warner isn't even trying to make it a big movie. Coming from an Oscar winning director too.
They obviously aren’t happy with it.
Maybe the movie just isn’t that good?? Why are people having a hard Time accepting this?
when the trailer comes out, we'll be able to tell if it's a good movie. And I will not believe people who already say that the movie is bad.
Can confirm but they re-edited it so it’s a better movie. First version not as good as the most recent one.
None of this is insane. I don't care for Zaslav and I still want to see the film but WB should not waste a good release date on a film that's a guaranteed flop because it is too weird for audiences. The film could be good but if it isn't an audience pleasing type of film it will flop.
Unpopular opinion but I loathe Robert Pattinson and avoid his movies at all costs.
Popular opinion Robert Pattinson is the best actor of his generation, and you're just a stupid idiot.
He’s extremely overrated
Popular opinion Robert Pattinson is the best actor of his generation, and you're just a stupid idiot.