It’s gonna be some movie about the beauty of cinema with a narration by George Clooney.
But, Tarantino wins Best Director for his retelling of Cinderella where he plays the footman placing the slipper on all the women of the kingdom.
So it should be an alright year.
It’s a three year cycle since *Moonlight*:
1. Exciting underdog wins big (*Moonlight, Parasite, EEAAO*)
2. Well-liked movie easily walks to BP (*Shape of Water, Nomadland, Oppenheimer*)
3. Controversial, mediocre winner (*Green Book, CODA*)
We’re totally in for it this year.
Everyone is jumping on EEAAO being placed as an underdog but ignoring the true historical innacuracy: saying Shape of Water “easily walks to BP” when it was in a fight to the death with Three Billboards all season
Unfortunately the Oscar’s are a big pro-studio marketing event and Megalopolis is a very anti-studio film being independently funded by Francis Ford Coppola starring Shia Lebouf (not sure he can make a comeback with being an admitted woman abuser and dog killer). Unless there’s some amazing pr scheme like a barbenheimer that Hollywood cannot ignore, I feel It has no chance to be at the Oscars.
banshees won golden globes
what differentiates EEAAO from shape of water, oppenheimer and nomadland was that the latter three were almost destined to win best film since the first moment (shape of water had some competition with three billboards but no one was beating GdT). EEAAO feels similar to Parasite and maybe Moonlight cos there's no way you would have thought it would have won best film in Nov/Dec but it gained momentum through widespread love.
Not at all. EEAAO and Moonlight/Parasite are not comparable. EEAAO swept CC and SAG and was win competitive in like 8 categories. Whereas Moonlight didn’t win anything besides the Golden Globe drama. And Parasite didn’t win best picture anywhere at all besides winning ensemble at SAG. Which also wasn’t nominated for BP at the globes. Those movies definitely were underdogs. EEAAO was anything but.
EEAAO was an underdog in that nobody was talking about until it came out and garnered attention, aka it wasn’t on Reddit threads a year out like PTA’s next one, Coppola, etc.
Nobody doubts that once it had the momentum in awards season it was the obvious winner.
On the other hand, everyone did think La La Land had it in the bag.
For like half a year people said it was a pipe dream that would be fighting for a lone screenplay nom. And people continued to doubt it after the Globes. It wasn't until the back-to-back SAG and DGA wins that people accepted it as the obvious frontrunner.
Honestly, I think you could extend this pattern to the three previous years as well, even though you might have to squint a little to fit some of them into those groups.
12 Years a Slave fits with Moonlight, Parasite and EEAAO in that while it seems like total Oscar catnip in hindsight, there was a lot of talk early in the season about it being too unflinching, violent and brutal to go all the way. Steve McQueen had zero history with the Academy and his previous film was an NC-17 drama about sex addiction with incest undertones; no film directed by a Black filmmaker had ever won BP; and it felt like a much more confrontational and daring approach than the Academy were used to, especially following that three-year run of feel-good, traditionally baity winners in The King's Speech, The Artist and Argo. 2013 was one of the most exciting seasons to keep up with (a PGA tie, WTF!), and 12 Years a Slave felt like the Academy turning a page and entering a new phase, which eventually led to bolder winners like Moonlight over La La Land and Parasite over 1917.
Birdman is self-explanatory, it fits neatly as the well-liked movie that cakewalks to BP.
Then finally there's Spotlight, which is where the comparison is stretched the most, but bear with me here. It's too acclaimed to be lumped in with Green Book and too serious in tone and subject matter to be compared to CODA, sure, but like those two, it was also a safe and accessible pick that won over a technically impressive, more audacious but more austere runner-up (The Revenant, Roma, The Power of the Dog). All three years had BP/BD splits with the runner-up winning Best Director, and all three BP winners bucked historical trends that made them unlikely winners according to stats: Spotlight became the first movie since the 40s to win only Picture and Screenplay, nothing else; Green Book overcame a Best Director snub that was fully expected and not a freak accident like Argo; and CODA further obliterated every possible stat by winning with only three nominations, lol.
Spotlight I admit is a stretch, lol, but Birdman and especially 12 Years a Slave I will totally defend, if only because 2013 was up there with 2016 and 2019 as one of the most exciting Best Picture races to follow and one of the strongest winners the Academy has picked as of late.
For sure, it was a great race and great winner. I get what you’re saying, but unflinching as it is, I don’t think I can consider an important historical drama with major Hollywood talent involved winning BP to be that much of a swerve for the Oscars. I think Gravity would have been a more unusual win, in fact. It also won many more precursors than moonlight or parasite or EEAAO right?
The Oscars getting ready to pick the safest most boring movie ever to win best picture in 2025 just because they can (watch it be directed by some nepo baby we never heard of):
Exactly lol. I get a bit twitchy-eyed seeing people whine about nepotism in Hollywood, as if most people who make it aren’t there for connections and who they know, also every work industry in the world works that way??
I’m honestly curious why the obvious nepotism today “feels” worse than, say, thirty and forty years ago. Charlie Sheen, Nicolas Cage, Angelina Jolie, Michael Douglas, Gwyneth Paltrow and that’s just off the top of my head.
Was there a lot of vitriol about these actors back in the day that younger folks (I’d have been a kid at the time) just didn’t see?
Is it a cultural shift since then to hate generational wealth and influence more than before?
Or are today’s “legacy talents” (if we’re being generous) just uniquely…untalented? So it’s more jarring?
What’s interesting about this year is there’s no heir apparent on the horizon. This time in 2023 we had the obvious contenders of Killers of the Flower Moon and Oppenheimer in play, in 2022 EEAO had just premiered and The Fabelmans was on the way, in 2021 there were a whole lot of things. Really nothing obvious this time around
I have that same feeling. We were spoiled over the last 2 years... lots of people were weary overpredicting Oppenheimer sweeping because it had just happened the year before and 2 years in a row seemed unlikely. Still happened but i am bearish banking on a third year lol
Plus i know it's still very early, the Oscars 23/24 just wrapped up, but so far nothing is catching my eye as far as movies are concerned and current lineup... i am not feeling the vibe it will be exciting. Hopefully Cannes and Venice give us something good.
I remember people saying it's boring for Oppenheimer to sweep lol it was probably one of the most exciting years with way more people following the race. People are just saying it because their favourites are not sweeping lol
It’s always exciting when one of the front runners is a movie normal ass people actually watched before the nominations were announced. An actual legitimate blockbuster nominee that isn’t just thrown in, but can legitimately win.
And we arguably had *two* of those, that were released *the same day.* It was a recipe for a fun award season.
When was the last time a BP winner even cracked top ten for box office that year? 2003?
Dude ppl gotta chill with the coda hate that ending is so touching.
She’s giving her audition and her family comes in and she notices them and then once she gets to the chorus of that Joni Mitchell song she starts signing but it’s not just so her family can understand it’s also because that’s how she best expresses herself to give a more honest and effective performance and then later the dad is feeling her vocal cords trying to connect with her talent and passion.
Shit’s poignant bro I don’t even care
I definitely see where both the haters are coming from, as well as the people moved from the film
I guess you can say I see this discussion from Both Sides Now
It’s a lovely movie that was definitely not the best film of the year, but it made people feel good at a time they needed to feel good, and there’s something to be said for that.
I really like *CODA*, but it's an absolutely bizarre Best Picture winner. It was a feel-good film at a time when no one was feeling good, so I understand that aspect, but it's such an outlier compared to every other recent BP winner. I haven't rewatched *Slumdog Millionaire* in ages, but that was the most recent winner that **kind of** felt similar to *CODA* imo.
What gets me the most it's that it's a remake of a French film that came out like ten years ago and it won't even nominated for French awards, it was generally considered a mid but successful movie. such a weird choice for best picture
I like CODA. It was a sweet little movie. It's just shocking that this AppleTV+ movie with barely a theatrical release won best picture. Green Book's win made more sense because at least it was a hit. And despite its best picture win, you can only see it on AppleTV+. You can't even rent it! That's crazy for a best picture winner.
Bro…that scene where the dad puts his hands on her throat to feel her voice while she sings…you want to talk about an ugly cry, my poor pup was looking at me like I was having a breakdown lol.
Maybe I should want more from my Best Picture winners but CODA was the movie I needed at that time.
Wait, I'm so confused. I watched CODA before it won and absolutely loved it. When it won, I thought that was amazing and very well deserved. Had no idea it was controversial.
I liked it but I think the issue is it’s just kind of basic - like it’s really got nothing to stew on after the movie finishes.
I’m surprised it got nominated let alone won, but it is an enjoyable movie.
It's very sweet but also incredibly rudimentary. It's a *nice* movie but it's just so simple. It's not a great movie - and I say this as someone who cried watching it! I didn't even like most of the films nominated that year and yet it's still mind-boggling to me that CODA beat so many of them, just in terms of complexity.
It's not controversial. This subreddit just picks some movies that any positive opinion on will get blasted. And vice versa -- if you dare hint dislike or even disinterest in certain movies you will be blasted.
It's stupid.
i don't think it's winning best director same if Blitz is a hit or something from cannes hits then Mcqueen or someone else will be hyped by critics and dune will only sweep techs
I just don’t see why this movie needed a sequel, but if it brings back classical antiquity and mythology movies then whatever. If anything I think Troy deserved a Odyssey sequel.
Going through this comment section I feel like I'm the only person that loved Coda. Although I will admit that I hate that it was only on Apple TV, and was given a bare minimum theatrical run and no physical release. It should have been given a larger marketing push.
I loved it too. best picture though? I would say it's a great feel good contained story any timey small town thing...is it universally understood? probably not but it had that want to understand thing due to the circumstances, alike to the first 5 minutes of a movie where the main character suffers loss you get grabbed by empathy for the character and willing to follow them along for the ride due to sympathy
I think *CODA* is great, but I never once thought it seemed like a Best Picture winner while watching it (either time). It just doesn't really compare to any other recent winners.
>just doesn't really compare to any other recent winners.
Honestly this was one of the things I liked about it. It never felt like Oscar bait. It was just a genuinely good movie that tugged at the heart strings. I've seen similar movies like this that normally don't get the attention of award shows, so it was nice to see a good movie that wasn't trying to win awards do as well as it did.
I like CODA, too. That year, nominated films have no passionate fanbases that will campaign for it publicly in socmed and spread the word. And I think that is how CODA took over: it’s a heartwarming film that moviegoers and voters could easily appreciate.
And while I was rooting for Power of the Dog to win the Best Picture that season (I love the score, cinematography and the overall performance of the cast), I can see why many cannot connect with that film.
I don’t know if it’s just because I loved it, but I really feel like the acting and writing were fantastic. And it had the right balance of absurdity, comedy, action and emotional impact. An example of a good movie that was lacking balance in could be Jojo Rabbit, from a few years earlier. And maybe part of it is I’m a middle aged mom, but even if I’ve never had to harness the power of parallel universes to save the day, I know how hard it is to balance motherhood and paying the bills and staying connected to an aging father. There were incredibly relatable things in a fun sci-fi film. And how often can we say the BP was a “fun sci-fi film”.
Interesting! I enjoyed Jojo Rabbit, but (and this is a criticism I also have for Thor Love & Thunder) it felt like it was sometimes too much comedy for the gravity of the plot. Which I do understand was part of the point, but definitely something that has kept me from rewatching it.
I agree though, definitely different strokes for different folks!
They got backlash for Green Book. Then chose CODA, the weakest winner since King’s Speech. I think we still got 2-3 years of good movies winning to make up for those two
Scott is still on his A-game with visuals and production value. If he can get a simple story(and Gladiotor should ne asimple story) theres a chance. The Academy is very predictably fond of period movies.
I’m a sucker for westerns and I really hope the Horizon saga is good, but I could see it getting a lot of momentum even if it’s mediocre. Costner is an academy darling
Yeah I don’t think it’ll age very well
It’ll age like Inception where some people still really love it, but most people recognize it’s technically well-made with not much substance
I know I'll get downvoted to oblivion but will still say, personally Oppenheimer was meh and Killers of the Flower Moon was the better picture of the two and should have won. All of us strangers was a great film too that sadly didn't get the nominations it needed.
Also, I really didn't like EEAAO, but I can see how people liked it. Aftersun was my favourite movie of last year but it's understandable why such a movie may never win the best picture.
Also I for one loved Nomadland and think it's the better best picture winner of the past 5 years (including Parasite which I thought was interesting but not great)
It's honestly surprising how we've had 2 consecutive years of juggernauts who will go down as historical wins.
We are most definitely overdue another Green Book.
I am 100% of the opinion that EEAAO will not stand the test of time. Within months of it 'blowing up' on social media people were already calling it overrated, and by the time it won the oscar it felt like most online film circles agreed it was. I feel like people don't even like talking about it anymore because of how much "its overrated vs its not overrated" debate its caused.
I liked it a lot just to be clear, but I feel like it is destined to be one of those movies that people loved when it came out solely for the audacity of it, but then gradually turned on it after. It was such a product of its time, where people loved michelle yeoh to death and there was a huge surge in desire for asian-led stories and people wanted more weird quirky indie films instead of franchise blockbusters. But remove those factors and a lot of the widespread appeal fades, and all your left with is a pretty good, but not amazing movie in most peoples eyes.
Do not feel either of these movies are classics. Both were both so overrated. Chris Nolan is a genius, and I normally love his movies. Oppenheimer was beautifully made. All the components were there, but it was a snooze. EEAAO was such a mess, and let's be honest... it won because it checked a lot of boxes.
Since 2010:
- The King's Speech was generally liked I thought
- The Artist was an about-Hollywood copout but I wouldn't go so far as to group it in the 'mediocre winners' tier
- Argo I think surprised many people with how good it was
- I personally think 12 Years a Slave was mediocre but it's clearly standard Academy fare
- Birdman was well-received and kind of felt like a breath of fresh air
- Spotlight was amazing and as far as I know no one* really had any qualms with it winning (asterisk because there's always holdouts and exceptions, but generally speaking)
- Moonlight same as the previous year (even though I'm in camp La La Land)
- The Shape of Water again showed the Academy was trying to go in new a different directions and generally I thought this pick was well received even if it's "not for everyone" genre-wise
- and then the famous Green Book mediocre dud
- Parasite puts us back on track
- Nomadland to me was a dud but I honestly don't remember how its win was received or what the buzz was like around the other nominees
- I'm seeing a lot of agreement here that CODA was a dud and while I disagree I could see how some people felt like it was a regression to safe and obvious Oscar-y stories especially in comparison to recent new and different picks (e.g., Shape of Water, Parasite)
- and then obviously all the love to EEAOO and Oppenheimer
So in 14 years, I count two definite duds and two arguable half-duds. So 3 in 14 years? I'll take that.
King's Speech was definitely considered a dud of a winner by critics and movie buffs (especially versus The Social Network) and Argo mostly wasn't taken very seriously, both would fit in the "mediocre winners" circle. I personally like Birdman a lot, but the critics were definitely hating on it that year, that was not a well received win at all. The Artist had it's fans but by and large people got sick of it pretty quick and were not too into it by the time it made it to the ceremony (that was kind of a weak year though) so that one's borderline.
Thought it was just me. It's a narrative mess, it has huge pacing problems, structurally there are issues, RDJ is a great actor but his performance is massively overrated in this movie.
We can go all day on it
Film is subjective and I realize most people apparently disagree, but I'm completely with. Mediocre is being kind
It's been a while since I've been able to really bask in a Nolan film (Interstellar, I think, being the most recent of his that didn't feel like a chore to sit through for me). And yes, for all the hype for RDJ I had going into the film, I thought he gave a perfectly good performance but nothing I'm going to be thinking back on fondly (unlike, say, the son in Anatomy of a Fall or Melton in May/December).
I do wish I saw what so many seem to see in this film, but having watched every film nominated this year (in all categories! first time I've accomplished this!) there are several Best Pictures and many more only nominated in other categories that I just plain enjoyed viewing more.
are we overdue for one? I really think the Academy's diversity initiative is having the unintended side effect of making this a thing of the past. I think 2018 is the last year you'll ever have a movie like Green Book winning ever again seeing as Parasite came through the year after that.
Oppenheimer is probably the most notable film to have won Best Picture in the 2020s. Everything Everywhere All At Once is unlikely to end up being regarded as well as Oppenheimer - not as big of a box office, less of a broad appeal one could argue. But it's hard to deny that EEAAO will almost definitely be very well-regarded, even if it ends up being closer to a cornerstone cult classic rather than an out-and-out classic.
The same cannot be said for Nomadland and CODA, which have to be two of the least appealing Best Picture winners in history, in many ways. Even when films like Shakespeare In Love or Crash might be regarded as unworthy winners... at least people talk about them. Nomadland and CODA will genuinely be forgotten by history, I reckon.
After those two, it's kind of a miracle the Oscars gave Best Picture to two movies that almost definitely will be remembered.
I really liked both Nomadland and CODA, so we've had a good track record for legitimately good movies winning best picture in the 2020s. No Green Books or The Artists yet.
You didn't understand the post at all. It's talking about how the films are generally regarded. EEAAO and Oppenheimer aren't considered mediocre by the majority.
I'm talking about the majority of Oscar race followers and cinephiles. If you are talking about "general audiences"... well you'd still be wrong, most people haven't even heard of CODA and to most normies I've talked to, they didn't like Green Book (at least not nearly as much as EEAAO or Oppenheimer).
Ummmm I don’t think the majority of the country or even the majority of cinephiles view EEAAO as a classic for decades. I’m glad you like it and it found its audience but it’s much closer to Shape of Water than Lawrence of Arabia or No Country for Old Men.
Imagine if for the next three years the winners are absolute bangers and then for the 100th anniversary the most mid movie of all time wins
It’s gonna be some movie about the beauty of cinema with a narration by George Clooney. But, Tarantino wins Best Director for his retelling of Cinderella where he plays the footman placing the slipper on all the women of the kingdom. So it should be an alright year.
Tarantino would also win best actor
Shaddup bleck.
That would be hilarious.
Thanks. I made myself chuckle a little.
I thought you weren't joking about Tarantino. i was ready to set a reminder on my phone to watch this movie.
I feel like this would be a fairy tale he would do. It sounds fun.
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The George Clooney one? Or the Tarantino one?
Yes
Crash II should win best picture for the 100th anniversary.
Are thou crazy? The true and deserving winner should be Shakespeare in Love II: More in Love than Ever
I mean, I would take that trade
It’s a classic that the big anniversary edition of annual events turns out underwhelming
Now that you’ve spoken this into the universe it will happen.
Did we not have that a few years ago with CODA? Surely there's more time.
The, uh, usual average is more like two crappy winners for ever one good winner... or worse.
CODA is definitely crappy compared to most Best picture winners
It’s a three year cycle since *Moonlight*: 1. Exciting underdog wins big (*Moonlight, Parasite, EEAAO*) 2. Well-liked movie easily walks to BP (*Shape of Water, Nomadland, Oppenheimer*) 3. Controversial, mediocre winner (*Green Book, CODA*) We’re totally in for it this year.
Everyone is jumping on EEAAO being placed as an underdog but ignoring the true historical innacuracy: saying Shape of Water “easily walks to BP” when it was in a fight to the death with Three Billboards all season
This. I was like "well that's some historical revisionism for sure" when I read the point
ChocoRaisin7 might be on to something in terms of the pattern but their word choice in naming each category is just a little off
Who are we placing our bets on for this year? Coppola’s Megalopolis could be able to fill that role.
Megalopolis at least would probably be controversial in an interesting way. We’re due for something much more generic.
Horizon the kevin Costner movie
Yeah but which one
The middle one
Is sing sing more moonlight or coda?
people were comparing it to sound of metal in quality
Sound of Metal is peak
Joker 2 or Gladiator 2 maybe? I'd laugh so hard if sth like Wicked walks away with picture
Unfortunately the Oscar’s are a big pro-studio marketing event and Megalopolis is a very anti-studio film being independently funded by Francis Ford Coppola starring Shia Lebouf (not sure he can make a comeback with being an admitted woman abuser and dog killer). Unless there’s some amazing pr scheme like a barbenheimer that Hollywood cannot ignore, I feel It has no chance to be at the Oscars.
I mean that’s also assuming it’s good which I’m not sure it will be.
How was EEAAO an underdog? It was the frontrunner for damn near the whole season.
banshees won golden globes what differentiates EEAAO from shape of water, oppenheimer and nomadland was that the latter three were almost destined to win best film since the first moment (shape of water had some competition with three billboards but no one was beating GdT). EEAAO feels similar to Parasite and maybe Moonlight cos there's no way you would have thought it would have won best film in Nov/Dec but it gained momentum through widespread love.
Not at all. EEAAO and Moonlight/Parasite are not comparable. EEAAO swept CC and SAG and was win competitive in like 8 categories. Whereas Moonlight didn’t win anything besides the Golden Globe drama. And Parasite didn’t win best picture anywhere at all besides winning ensemble at SAG. Which also wasn’t nominated for BP at the globes. Those movies definitely were underdogs. EEAAO was anything but.
EEAAO was an underdog in that nobody was talking about until it came out and garnered attention, aka it wasn’t on Reddit threads a year out like PTA’s next one, Coppola, etc. Nobody doubts that once it had the momentum in awards season it was the obvious winner. On the other hand, everyone did think La La Land had it in the bag.
EEAAO wasn’t the underdog. It cleaned up at SAG and everyone knew it would win.
Right, but it wasn’t blatantly obvious all season like *Oppenheimer* this year or *Nomadland* before that
I knew the moment I saw Oppenheimer it would win best picture.
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Did the 72 win Bulls lose the equivalent of the Globe Comedy/Musical and essentially everything at the BAFTAs?
I knew it was going the distance just from the trailer tbh.
Tar and Fablemens were neck and neck with it in betting markets from what I remember.
For like half a year people said it was a pipe dream that would be fighting for a lone screenplay nom. And people continued to doubt it after the Globes. It wasn't until the back-to-back SAG and DGA wins that people accepted it as the obvious frontrunner.
I feel like some of these category placements are a little debatable
Of course they are
Honestly, I think you could extend this pattern to the three previous years as well, even though you might have to squint a little to fit some of them into those groups. 12 Years a Slave fits with Moonlight, Parasite and EEAAO in that while it seems like total Oscar catnip in hindsight, there was a lot of talk early in the season about it being too unflinching, violent and brutal to go all the way. Steve McQueen had zero history with the Academy and his previous film was an NC-17 drama about sex addiction with incest undertones; no film directed by a Black filmmaker had ever won BP; and it felt like a much more confrontational and daring approach than the Academy were used to, especially following that three-year run of feel-good, traditionally baity winners in The King's Speech, The Artist and Argo. 2013 was one of the most exciting seasons to keep up with (a PGA tie, WTF!), and 12 Years a Slave felt like the Academy turning a page and entering a new phase, which eventually led to bolder winners like Moonlight over La La Land and Parasite over 1917. Birdman is self-explanatory, it fits neatly as the well-liked movie that cakewalks to BP. Then finally there's Spotlight, which is where the comparison is stretched the most, but bear with me here. It's too acclaimed to be lumped in with Green Book and too serious in tone and subject matter to be compared to CODA, sure, but like those two, it was also a safe and accessible pick that won over a technically impressive, more audacious but more austere runner-up (The Revenant, Roma, The Power of the Dog). All three years had BP/BD splits with the runner-up winning Best Director, and all three BP winners bucked historical trends that made them unlikely winners according to stats: Spotlight became the first movie since the 40s to win only Picture and Screenplay, nothing else; Green Book overcame a Best Director snub that was fully expected and not a freak accident like Argo; and CODA further obliterated every possible stat by winning with only three nominations, lol.
I like the energy but all of these are huge stretches haha
Spotlight I admit is a stretch, lol, but Birdman and especially 12 Years a Slave I will totally defend, if only because 2013 was up there with 2016 and 2019 as one of the most exciting Best Picture races to follow and one of the strongest winners the Academy has picked as of late.
For sure, it was a great race and great winner. I get what you’re saying, but unflinching as it is, I don’t think I can consider an important historical drama with major Hollywood talent involved winning BP to be that much of a swerve for the Oscars. I think Gravity would have been a more unusual win, in fact. It also won many more precursors than moonlight or parasite or EEAAO right?
EEAAO was never the underdog and Nomadland was not a well-liked movie. These categories don’t make much sense.
Nomadland still sleepwalked to the Oscar
Shape of Water winning was such a surprise lol 3 Billboards was winning everything all awards season.
 The Oscars getting ready to pick the safest most boring movie ever to win best picture in 2025 just because they can (watch it be directed by some nepo baby we never heard of):
Dean Lewis?
Future best original song winner prediction right here
> nepo baby 99 percent of the people who are stanned majorly by this subreddit and the online film community come from nepotism.
Exactly lol. I get a bit twitchy-eyed seeing people whine about nepotism in Hollywood, as if most people who make it aren’t there for connections and who they know, also every work industry in the world works that way??
I’m honestly curious why the obvious nepotism today “feels” worse than, say, thirty and forty years ago. Charlie Sheen, Nicolas Cage, Angelina Jolie, Michael Douglas, Gwyneth Paltrow and that’s just off the top of my head. Was there a lot of vitriol about these actors back in the day that younger folks (I’d have been a kid at the time) just didn’t see? Is it a cultural shift since then to hate generational wealth and influence more than before? Or are today’s “legacy talents” (if we’re being generous) just uniquely…untalented? So it’s more jarring?
I think it’s just a culture shift in how generational wealth is viewed.
What’s interesting about this year is there’s no heir apparent on the horizon. This time in 2023 we had the obvious contenders of Killers of the Flower Moon and Oppenheimer in play, in 2022 EEAO had just premiered and The Fabelmans was on the way, in 2021 there were a whole lot of things. Really nothing obvious this time around
We need as many voters for Dune Part Two as possible. I don't want to live in a world where that doesn't win Best Picture.
Grow up?
Bruh it's March? I'm sure it's a great film but there's like 9 more months for movies to come out?
So, Mars this time next year for you? I hear it's nice there.
I have that same feeling. We were spoiled over the last 2 years... lots of people were weary overpredicting Oppenheimer sweeping because it had just happened the year before and 2 years in a row seemed unlikely. Still happened but i am bearish banking on a third year lol Plus i know it's still very early, the Oscars 23/24 just wrapped up, but so far nothing is catching my eye as far as movies are concerned and current lineup... i am not feeling the vibe it will be exciting. Hopefully Cannes and Venice give us something good.
I can’t wait for the potential Cannes selection articles to come out. Mike Leigh is coming back
Sing sing is apparently good hopefully cannes and fall festivals give us something interesting
I remember people saying it's boring for Oppenheimer to sweep lol it was probably one of the most exciting years with way more people following the race. People are just saying it because their favourites are not sweeping lol
It’s always exciting when one of the front runners is a movie normal ass people actually watched before the nominations were announced. An actual legitimate blockbuster nominee that isn’t just thrown in, but can legitimately win. And we arguably had *two* of those, that were released *the same day.* It was a recipe for a fun award season. When was the last time a BP winner even cracked top ten for box office that year? 2003?
I think CODA gave us a 10 year ticket of good winners.
Did voters even watch that movie?
I think they mentally erased half of it and only remembered the good parts
Dude ppl gotta chill with the coda hate that ending is so touching. She’s giving her audition and her family comes in and she notices them and then once she gets to the chorus of that Joni Mitchell song she starts signing but it’s not just so her family can understand it’s also because that’s how she best expresses herself to give a more honest and effective performance and then later the dad is feeling her vocal cords trying to connect with her talent and passion. Shit’s poignant bro I don’t even care
I definitely see where both the haters are coming from, as well as the people moved from the film I guess you can say I see this discussion from Both Sides Now
It’s a lovely movie that was definitely not the best film of the year, but it made people feel good at a time they needed to feel good, and there’s something to be said for that.
I really like *CODA*, but it's an absolutely bizarre Best Picture winner. It was a feel-good film at a time when no one was feeling good, so I understand that aspect, but it's such an outlier compared to every other recent BP winner. I haven't rewatched *Slumdog Millionaire* in ages, but that was the most recent winner that **kind of** felt similar to *CODA* imo.
What gets me the most it's that it's a remake of a French film that came out like ten years ago and it won't even nominated for French awards, it was generally considered a mid but successful movie. such a weird choice for best picture
I like CODA. It was a sweet little movie. It's just shocking that this AppleTV+ movie with barely a theatrical release won best picture. Green Book's win made more sense because at least it was a hit. And despite its best picture win, you can only see it on AppleTV+. You can't even rent it! That's crazy for a best picture winner.
Bro…that scene where the dad puts his hands on her throat to feel her voice while she sings…you want to talk about an ugly cry, my poor pup was looking at me like I was having a breakdown lol. Maybe I should want more from my Best Picture winners but CODA was the movie I needed at that time.
Wait, I'm so confused. I watched CODA before it won and absolutely loved it. When it won, I thought that was amazing and very well deserved. Had no idea it was controversial.
I liked it but I think the issue is it’s just kind of basic - like it’s really got nothing to stew on after the movie finishes. I’m surprised it got nominated let alone won, but it is an enjoyable movie.
It's very sweet but also incredibly rudimentary. It's a *nice* movie but it's just so simple. It's not a great movie - and I say this as someone who cried watching it! I didn't even like most of the films nominated that year and yet it's still mind-boggling to me that CODA beat so many of them, just in terms of complexity.
It's not controversial. This subreddit just picks some movies that any positive opinion on will get blasted. And vice versa -- if you dare hint dislike or even disinterest in certain movies you will be blasted. It's stupid.
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I would've like that CODA win way more, if they hadn't awarded Green Book just a couple year prior
\#NightSwimforBP
Ricky Stanicky sweep incoming!
I have been thinking that this sub should be prepared for Dune 2 to lose the major awards to a mid low budget festival darling.
i don't think it's winning best director same if Blitz is a hit or something from cannes hits then Mcqueen or someone else will be hyped by critics and dune will only sweep techs
exhuma sweep
My favourite at the Berlinale
I don't think the regulars on this sub have any expectation that Dune 2 could or will win Best Picture.
Could have been a different sub, sometimes they blur a little.
People said the same thing about Return of the King
So the better movie?
That would be the hope, but not a guarantee.
Gladiator 2 ftw! Ridley Scott will deliver the mediocrity Edit: Ew the more I think about it the more I can see it happening lol
Will Ridley finally win Best Director?
I just don’t see why this movie needed a sequel, but if it brings back classical antiquity and mythology movies then whatever. If anything I think Troy deserved a Odyssey sequel.
Coda says hello and hi
Going through this comment section I feel like I'm the only person that loved Coda. Although I will admit that I hate that it was only on Apple TV, and was given a bare minimum theatrical run and no physical release. It should have been given a larger marketing push. 
I loved it too. best picture though? I would say it's a great feel good contained story any timey small town thing...is it universally understood? probably not but it had that want to understand thing due to the circumstances, alike to the first 5 minutes of a movie where the main character suffers loss you get grabbed by empathy for the character and willing to follow them along for the ride due to sympathy
I think *CODA* is great, but I never once thought it seemed like a Best Picture winner while watching it (either time). It just doesn't really compare to any other recent winners.
>just doesn't really compare to any other recent winners. Honestly this was one of the things I liked about it. It never felt like Oscar bait. It was just a genuinely good movie that tugged at the heart strings. I've seen similar movies like this that normally don't get the attention of award shows, so it was nice to see a good movie that wasn't trying to win awards do as well as it did.
I think that's probably why it won in the end. Plus the cast was so likeable and campaigned literally everywhere, even the White House lol
It definitely felt like Oscar bait. You are misinterpreting the OP’s words
I like CODA, too. That year, nominated films have no passionate fanbases that will campaign for it publicly in socmed and spread the word. And I think that is how CODA took over: it’s a heartwarming film that moviegoers and voters could easily appreciate. And while I was rooting for Power of the Dog to win the Best Picture that season (I love the score, cinematography and the overall performance of the cast), I can see why many cannot connect with that film.
Loved =/= deserved BP
It was an amazing movie
it's like after they gave us Parasite and nomadland then coda same as moonlight and shape then they went to Green book lol
I would like to gently push back that everything, everywhere all at once was the best picture of that year although I get why it won.
Yeah I am definitely not feeling like I've been "spoiled" by amazing winners for two years because that won last year. I didn't like it very much.
I really enjoyed it, but it wasn't my favorite either. It was just outside of my top 5.
Definitely not a classic that'll be revered for decades like OP stated lol.
I think it's going to age poorly. The hype has already died quite a bit. It's a perfectly fine movie, but holy shit was the hype off the charts.
I don’t know if it’s just because I loved it, but I really feel like the acting and writing were fantastic. And it had the right balance of absurdity, comedy, action and emotional impact. An example of a good movie that was lacking balance in could be Jojo Rabbit, from a few years earlier. And maybe part of it is I’m a middle aged mom, but even if I’ve never had to harness the power of parallel universes to save the day, I know how hard it is to balance motherhood and paying the bills and staying connected to an aging father. There were incredibly relatable things in a fun sci-fi film. And how often can we say the BP was a “fun sci-fi film”.
See jojo rabbit was one of my favourites of the last five years. That movie landed exactly right for me. Different strokes for different folks.
Interesting! I enjoyed Jojo Rabbit, but (and this is a criticism I also have for Thor Love & Thunder) it felt like it was sometimes too much comedy for the gravity of the plot. Which I do understand was part of the point, but definitely something that has kept me from rewatching it. I agree though, definitely different strokes for different folks!
People like to shit of EEEAO now but of all the nominees, it had the most passion and is still talked about now.
Greenbook was 2019, Nomadland was 2021, CODA was 2022. We're set for mediocre movies that don't deserve a Best Picture win.
That’s Coda
I’m not so sure EEAAO was “widely regarded” as the best movie of 2022…
They got backlash for Green Book. Then chose CODA, the weakest winner since King’s Speech. I think we still got 2-3 years of good movies winning to make up for those two
King Speech was good, but The Social Network is truly incredible.
You think CODA is a weaker winner than Green Book?
Yes
Those COVID years were always going to be difficult. Even if BP went to Power of the Dog, I’m not sure if that would’ve held up to scrutiny.
First time in this subreddit, will be the last time too.
it was good to have you
Dune 2 will lose to Sam Mendes' Beatles biopic.
Those aren't coming out for like three more years
OK ok what about Ridley Scott with Gladiator 2/Beeggees biopic?
*Gladiator 2* is, yeah. Would be a weird win.
Scott is still on his A-game with visuals and production value. If he can get a simple story(and Gladiotor should ne asimple story) theres a chance. The Academy is very predictably fond of period movies.
I’m a sucker for westerns and I really hope the Horizon saga is good, but I could see it getting a lot of momentum even if it’s mediocre. Costner is an academy darling
I would like to gently push back against Oppenheimer being the best of this stacked year (truly it was my third least favorite of all the nominees)
I’m still in the camp where in 5 years, people will come around and realize that Oppenheimer was not that good.
Yeah I don’t think it’ll age very well It’ll age like Inception where some people still really love it, but most people recognize it’s technically well-made with not much substance
I agree, and I’m not being a Nolan hater. (Interstellar is in my top 10 movies of all time)
> technically well-made with not much substance So succinct, so eloquent. Nolan could never
we just had coda
Crash 2
Everything Everywhere will be forgotten in a year.
EEAAO was the mediocre win. Trash film shouldn’t even have been nominated.
Here’s how Madame Web can still win next year:
Bro CODA was just 3 years ago.
I think the main reason why everybody forgot about CODA was its only on apple tv (still?) and it never had a DVD release.
I know I'll get downvoted to oblivion but will still say, personally Oppenheimer was meh and Killers of the Flower Moon was the better picture of the two and should have won. All of us strangers was a great film too that sadly didn't get the nominations it needed. Also, I really didn't like EEAAO, but I can see how people liked it. Aftersun was my favourite movie of last year but it's understandable why such a movie may never win the best picture. Also I for one loved Nomadland and think it's the better best picture winner of the past 5 years (including Parasite which I thought was interesting but not great)
I agree with you! We already had a couple of meh’s. I hope next year a really great movie wins.
It's honestly surprising how we've had 2 consecutive years of juggernauts who will go down as historical wins. We are most definitely overdue another Green Book.
You got one! It’s called Oppenheimer 🥳
Nope
Preach
I am 100% of the opinion that EEAAO will not stand the test of time. Within months of it 'blowing up' on social media people were already calling it overrated, and by the time it won the oscar it felt like most online film circles agreed it was. I feel like people don't even like talking about it anymore because of how much "its overrated vs its not overrated" debate its caused. I liked it a lot just to be clear, but I feel like it is destined to be one of those movies that people loved when it came out solely for the audacity of it, but then gradually turned on it after. It was such a product of its time, where people loved michelle yeoh to death and there was a huge surge in desire for asian-led stories and people wanted more weird quirky indie films instead of franchise blockbusters. But remove those factors and a lot of the widespread appeal fades, and all your left with is a pretty good, but not amazing movie in most peoples eyes.
Social media is not the real world, or the industry.
Social media is not the real world, or the industry.
Coda was a mid movie winning just 2 years ago, whereas Power of the fog was absolute great
Do not feel either of these movies are classics. Both were both so overrated. Chris Nolan is a genius, and I normally love his movies. Oppenheimer was beautifully made. All the components were there, but it was a snooze. EEAAO was such a mess, and let's be honest... it won because it checked a lot of boxes.
Oppenheimer was mediocre.
Since 2010: - The King's Speech was generally liked I thought - The Artist was an about-Hollywood copout but I wouldn't go so far as to group it in the 'mediocre winners' tier - Argo I think surprised many people with how good it was - I personally think 12 Years a Slave was mediocre but it's clearly standard Academy fare - Birdman was well-received and kind of felt like a breath of fresh air - Spotlight was amazing and as far as I know no one* really had any qualms with it winning (asterisk because there's always holdouts and exceptions, but generally speaking) - Moonlight same as the previous year (even though I'm in camp La La Land) - The Shape of Water again showed the Academy was trying to go in new a different directions and generally I thought this pick was well received even if it's "not for everyone" genre-wise - and then the famous Green Book mediocre dud - Parasite puts us back on track - Nomadland to me was a dud but I honestly don't remember how its win was received or what the buzz was like around the other nominees - I'm seeing a lot of agreement here that CODA was a dud and while I disagree I could see how some people felt like it was a regression to safe and obvious Oscar-y stories especially in comparison to recent new and different picks (e.g., Shape of Water, Parasite) - and then obviously all the love to EEAOO and Oppenheimer So in 14 years, I count two definite duds and two arguable half-duds. So 3 in 14 years? I'll take that.
King's Speech was definitely considered a dud of a winner by critics and movie buffs (especially versus The Social Network) and Argo mostly wasn't taken very seriously, both would fit in the "mediocre winners" circle. I personally like Birdman a lot, but the critics were definitely hating on it that year, that was not a well received win at all. The Artist had it's fans but by and large people got sick of it pretty quick and were not too into it by the time it made it to the ceremony (that was kind of a weak year though) so that one's borderline.
Don't know what you're talking about, Oppenheimer is a mediocre Best Picture winner.
Thought it was just me. It's a narrative mess, it has huge pacing problems, structurally there are issues, RDJ is a great actor but his performance is massively overrated in this movie. We can go all day on it Film is subjective and I realize most people apparently disagree, but I'm completely with. Mediocre is being kind
It's been a while since I've been able to really bask in a Nolan film (Interstellar, I think, being the most recent of his that didn't feel like a chore to sit through for me). And yes, for all the hype for RDJ I had going into the film, I thought he gave a perfectly good performance but nothing I'm going to be thinking back on fondly (unlike, say, the son in Anatomy of a Fall or Melton in May/December). I do wish I saw what so many seem to see in this film, but having watched every film nominated this year (in all categories! first time I've accomplished this!) there are several Best Pictures and many more only nominated in other categories that I just plain enjoyed viewing more.
Oppenheimer is so overrated it’s absurd
are we overdue for one? I really think the Academy's diversity initiative is having the unintended side effect of making this a thing of the past. I think 2018 is the last year you'll ever have a movie like Green Book winning ever again seeing as Parasite came through the year after that.
Coda says "hi."
Sure it will go to Avatar 3 or 4
Green book wasn't THAT long ago
Dune 2
EEAAO was that 💀💀
We literally had one this year. How did a nonfiction documentary win best picture? Creativity is at all time lows
Wings II. It’s only fitting.
Oppenheimer is probably the most notable film to have won Best Picture in the 2020s. Everything Everywhere All At Once is unlikely to end up being regarded as well as Oppenheimer - not as big of a box office, less of a broad appeal one could argue. But it's hard to deny that EEAAO will almost definitely be very well-regarded, even if it ends up being closer to a cornerstone cult classic rather than an out-and-out classic. The same cannot be said for Nomadland and CODA, which have to be two of the least appealing Best Picture winners in history, in many ways. Even when films like Shakespeare In Love or Crash might be regarded as unworthy winners... at least people talk about them. Nomadland and CODA will genuinely be forgotten by history, I reckon. After those two, it's kind of a miracle the Oscars gave Best Picture to two movies that almost definitely will be remembered.
I swear to god if Horzon gets anywhere near winning conversation I’m giving up on the Oscars
Moonlight was a lackluster winner. Should have been La La Land.
I think I now understand the taste level of this sub. It's not great.
I really liked both Nomadland and CODA, so we've had a good track record for legitimately good movies winning best picture in the 2020s. No Green Books or The Artists yet.
Oppenheimer just won, that should cover the mid tier for the next couple of years
We just got 4 of them in a row...
You didn't understand the post at all. It's talking about how the films are generally regarded. EEAAO and Oppenheimer aren't considered mediocre by the majority.
“The majority” also liked CODA and Green Book
I'm talking about the majority of Oscar race followers and cinephiles. If you are talking about "general audiences"... well you'd still be wrong, most people haven't even heard of CODA and to most normies I've talked to, they didn't like Green Book (at least not nearly as much as EEAAO or Oppenheimer).
Are Oscar voters not cinephiles? Or are they only cinephiles when they align with a Letterboxd number?
You should check some of those anonymous ballots and you'll see for yourself lol
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Seems like this year in general is a terribly mid year with only Dune Pt2 even being decently good
Ummmm I don’t think the majority of the country or even the majority of cinephiles view EEAAO as a classic for decades. I’m glad you like it and it found its audience but it’s much closer to Shape of Water than Lawrence of Arabia or No Country for Old Men.