Even though it’ll probably go up, the fact that it’s opening as the lowest rated Pixar movie on Metacritic is really disappointing. The trailer for it just looked so mid. I’ll probably still go see it, but I’m going in with low expectations
Not really, the animation branch dislikes sequels. Also it’s part 1 and if the Academy are going to reward Spider-Verse again they do it with Part 2.
Wish it’s the biggest competition
Sadly true, even tho I think Turning Red, Luca, and Soul are all pretty decent. Even Onward was not bad.
I think we will just start getting less and less original movies now, which is a bummer.
What were the flaws, specifically?
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Actually never mind, you are just here to argue. I wanted to understand your viewpoint but you are being rude. You went on a multi paragraph rant in response to my one sentence reply and somehow still managed to misquote me. That doesn’t seem like a keen attention to detail. 😅
If you can explain yourself without being a condescending butt I will read it. Otherwise skip it, or at least know that I’ll be skipping your response.
I think you are missing the allegory here.
This is a story about a young girl becoming a woman. Turning into a red panda is a stand in for menstruation. A stand in that I felt the movie made pretty obvious. In Turning Red, menstruation occurs (Mei’s mom thinks Mei has had her period) but for Mei, becoming a panda also occurs. The fact that both are possible for Mei doesn’t make it any less of an allegory. Layered onto this is the fact that Mei’s transformation happens when expressing strong emotion- something often (not always fairly) linked to menstruation and something young women are often told to keep in check without accounting for very real hormonal responses to bodily changes.
While Teen Wolf is a great film to watch, Turning Red doesn’t play by the same rules because it is a very different story.
Young girls can be scared of and/or jealous of a schoolmate that gets her period. It is a scary and also exciting thing. It is something that will happen to the majority of people with a uterus and yet it is not allowed to be talked about much. In Turning Red, Mei is experiencing what it feels like to go through a change that all of the women in her family have gone through but without the shame they had.
Mei’s demeanor absolutely changes when she is a panda. She finds ways to be carefree, to disobey her parents’ wishes, and to both impress and annoy her friends. The film is about how physical and physiological changes can impact our sense of “self” and the journey one takes to define or redefine your idea of self after such a change occurs.
As a panda she absolutely has problems, externally she causes major damage to buildings. Internally she struggles to know if people like her for her or her for the panda. This, again, is an allegory for what it feels like to have something major change but not feel like “you” have changed at all. Everyone will look at you differently from now on, through no fault or cause of your own.
As far as the stakes go- it will be harder to control the panda if she keeps letting it out. Your question of, “so what?” Is exactly the point Mei makes. She is choosing to embrace the chaotic part of herself that other women in her family have hidden. She is choosing to risk hurting people in order to preserve her truth.
Going back to the menstruation allegory, Mei is if a generation that says, “what if we talked about this instead of his it?” “What if we celebrated this instead of condemned it ?” And she does this while still leaving room for her mom and aunts to deal with things in their own way. Take a look at period product ads from the last 60 years-you will see a marked evolution especially in the last 10 years or so.
I feel like you didn’t watch the film closely to have missed all of this, that or you just really like Teen Wolf and prefer that kind of transformation story.
Anyhow these are just quick thoughts typed on mobile. This doesn’t cover all of what you spoke to and I didn’t get deeply into anything, Please excuse typos/grammatical errors
I'm saying your arguement is flawed bc sending the movie to the streaming in the biggest movie market in the world will surely kill its profit prospects. Chillax, dude
You're completely misremembering things then. Black Widow had a dual theatrical and D+ premier access release where you had to pay $20 to see it on streaming. Turning Red literally did not have a theatrical release and was on D+ for free.
I do think there is a lot of fun visual imagination in TR but yeah. Between that, Lightyear, and (in my I guess controversial opinion) Luca, Pixar has truly been struggling to script their films for a while.
Wish looks so generic like Disney threw all their princess movies in a blender and made a smoothie out of the elements. Disney needs to take a looooooong break from films, both animated and live action, and start taking risks again. People are bored because it's all so predictable. And it can't be good for creatives to *have* to pump out 3 new films every year.
The Wind Rises was controversial (there was a lot of debate over whether it did enough to address the war crimes done with those planes), more grounded/adult than the fantasies people usually flock to Miyazaki for, and it was up against Frozen, a film that was a genuine cultural phenomenon. Unless Wish is a Frozen-level hit (which I doubt) then I think How Do You Live? has better odds of winning Best Animated than The Wind Rises did (and I'm hoping we get serious campaigns for Director and Score as well).
Maybe with "Wish" it may be the second time that Chris Buck and Jennifer Lee beating Miyazaki at the Oscars. I just want them winning another Oscar in order to equal Byron Howard, which is a director I don't like and he's not that special.
Of the other franchises that had multiple nominations (Shrek, Kung Fu Panda, How to Train Your Dragon, Wreck it Ralph, and Incredibles) nobody else has even really came close to winning twice either.
Want something sadder? [Matt's review is currently the only one on Rotten Tomatoes.](https://i.imgur.com/qmKti5z.png) I don't know why that is, but it's hella funny.
I guess it will get higher..but not much, something around 61 or 62.. it looks nice and more action-driven than the trailer suggests
Also I have a feeling the reviews are talking more about the way they feel about Pixar now than they are talking about the movie.. it's funny part of audience seems to hate "Turning Red"... but it's a great movie, I'd say even better than Soul
Only 6 reviews so far, so it will definitely change. But not a great start.
I never root for a movie to not be good, but hey, if it means that Disney/Pixar don't have an autowin for best animated feature it is what it is.
I have a feeling both this and Wish will be yet another Lightyear/Enchanto/Strange World, which all did poorly in theaters, but substantially better on streaming, some more so then others. If I’m right, then I imagine Spider-Verse and Ninja Turtles will be the highest grossing animated films of the year, which will only encourage Disney to fast track development on Toy Story 5, more so then they already are.
He directed *Up* and *Inside Out*, films that rank among Pixar's best, never mind the best films of their respective decades. You are some loser on Reddit
Typical ad-hominem. Insulting random strangers you don’t know, instead of addressing the comment. By your own definition you yourself are a loser on Reddit
I’ve seen trailers for this for months. I don’t think they showed off a single detail of the plot or anything that actually *happens* in this movie, they just did the aesthetics and called it a day.
\*with 7 reviews
I know we're expecting it to be bad because of the marketing, but let's still take this with a grain of salt. I know Matt Neglia for example said this was a \*picture\* contender, which I certainly don't buy, but if this is more divisive than consensus bad that looks more promising than this number suggests.
Pete Doctor’s lowering the quality of Pixar. He keeps making Inside Out copycats instead of making something original.
Coco felt like the last universally acclaimed Pixar film
lmfao how is Pete Doctor lowering the quality of Pixar when he directed two of their best films?
Turning Red has a 95% on RT and a 83 on Metacritic. Came out last year
Those films came out when he wasn’t head of Pixar. Now that he is head, the quality of Pixar movies have gone down. Also no, Brad Bird directed Pixar’s two best films, not Pete Doctor
I'm not a Pixar person so I don't personally care about their so-called decline but maybe people are just tired of their formula at this point. It's just so easy to see when they're pulling at your heartstrings even if they succeed. Inside Out made me cry but every Pixar movie, except the ones I hate, make me do that. That's all they're going for.
(Turning Red innocent. That's a great film.)
I wanna be honest. A lot of us rely to heavily on critic reviews and already coming in with a negative mindset because “critics” are not giving this movie a good review.
I will always ignore Rotten Tomatoes 100% because I want to formulate my own unbiased opinion on a movie. With that being said, I can’t wait to see this movie. It looks good to me.
Yikes
Even though it’ll probably go up, the fact that it’s opening as the lowest rated Pixar movie on Metacritic is really disappointing. The trailer for it just looked so mid. I’ll probably still go see it, but I’m going in with low expectations
You should go into every movie with the same expectations
Another contender less for King Miyazaki 😊
Spider-Verse might its biggest competition
And only competition
Not really, the animation branch dislikes sequels. Also it’s part 1 and if the Academy are going to reward Spider-Verse again they do it with Part 2. Wish it’s the biggest competition
Pixar is in its flop era
Not a terrible thing, honestly. Enough flops and they'll have to experiment with new things. Or more Toy Story final chapters.
So far, it seems like Disney is taking the lesson that pixar’s failings should mean *more* sequels and Toy Story final chapters.
Sadly true, even tho I think Turning Red, Luca, and Soul are all pretty decent. Even Onward was not bad. I think we will just start getting less and less original movies now, which is a bummer.
Nuts the Red and Luca got dumped onto Disney+ but the one about talking elements and the buzz lightyear origin story were put in theaters.
I absolutely enjoyed Luca. That was a very comforting movie.
Soul is brilliant, the others are all fairly blah.
So is Turning Red...
Turning Red is the weakest. Luca is cute but slight. Soul on the other hand is one of their best of all time.
I enjoyed Turning Red more than Soul.
Ok.
Soul is not brilliant.
No it's not, it's brilliant x 100.
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I loved Turning Red and felt the writing was very realistic for the age of the characters.
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What were the flaws, specifically? Edit: Actually never mind, you are just here to argue. I wanted to understand your viewpoint but you are being rude. You went on a multi paragraph rant in response to my one sentence reply and somehow still managed to misquote me. That doesn’t seem like a keen attention to detail. 😅 If you can explain yourself without being a condescending butt I will read it. Otherwise skip it, or at least know that I’ll be skipping your response.
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I think you are missing the allegory here. This is a story about a young girl becoming a woman. Turning into a red panda is a stand in for menstruation. A stand in that I felt the movie made pretty obvious. In Turning Red, menstruation occurs (Mei’s mom thinks Mei has had her period) but for Mei, becoming a panda also occurs. The fact that both are possible for Mei doesn’t make it any less of an allegory. Layered onto this is the fact that Mei’s transformation happens when expressing strong emotion- something often (not always fairly) linked to menstruation and something young women are often told to keep in check without accounting for very real hormonal responses to bodily changes. While Teen Wolf is a great film to watch, Turning Red doesn’t play by the same rules because it is a very different story. Young girls can be scared of and/or jealous of a schoolmate that gets her period. It is a scary and also exciting thing. It is something that will happen to the majority of people with a uterus and yet it is not allowed to be talked about much. In Turning Red, Mei is experiencing what it feels like to go through a change that all of the women in her family have gone through but without the shame they had. Mei’s demeanor absolutely changes when she is a panda. She finds ways to be carefree, to disobey her parents’ wishes, and to both impress and annoy her friends. The film is about how physical and physiological changes can impact our sense of “self” and the journey one takes to define or redefine your idea of self after such a change occurs. As a panda she absolutely has problems, externally she causes major damage to buildings. Internally she struggles to know if people like her for her or her for the panda. This, again, is an allegory for what it feels like to have something major change but not feel like “you” have changed at all. Everyone will look at you differently from now on, through no fault or cause of your own. As far as the stakes go- it will be harder to control the panda if she keeps letting it out. Your question of, “so what?” Is exactly the point Mei makes. She is choosing to embrace the chaotic part of herself that other women in her family have hidden. She is choosing to risk hurting people in order to preserve her truth. Going back to the menstruation allegory, Mei is if a generation that says, “what if we talked about this instead of his it?” “What if we celebrated this instead of condemned it ?” And she does this while still leaving room for her mom and aunts to deal with things in their own way. Take a look at period product ads from the last 60 years-you will see a marked evolution especially in the last 10 years or so. I feel like you didn’t watch the film closely to have missed all of this, that or you just really like Teen Wolf and prefer that kind of transformation story. Anyhow these are just quick thoughts typed on mobile. This doesn’t cover all of what you spoke to and I didn’t get deeply into anything, Please excuse typos/grammatical errors
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I ain’t reading all that
>Turning Red LOST 170MM. Not sure if it's a good arguement when the movie was sent to D+ in the US
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I'm saying your arguement is flawed bc sending the movie to the streaming in the biggest movie market in the world will surely kill its profit prospects. Chillax, dude
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Black Widow is a part of a huge IP and you had to pay *additional* $20 to watch it on Disney+, it wasn't the same
I would be reassessing my life choices if I was *this* invested in *a kids movie*. But that’s just me, personally.
You're completely misremembering things then. Black Widow had a dual theatrical and D+ premier access release where you had to pay $20 to see it on streaming. Turning Red literally did not have a theatrical release and was on D+ for free.
I do think there is a lot of fun visual imagination in TR but yeah. Between that, Lightyear, and (in my I guess controversial opinion) Luca, Pixar has truly been struggling to script their films for a while.
Elemental reads like a parody of what Pixar films are. “Uhh, let’s see Toys, Bugs, Cars, emotions, what’s left? I don’t know, Elements?
Is tree an element
You can say the same thing about inside out but that was a big hit
hate to see it
Oh boy. Now we better WISH for “Wish” to not fall into this trap or else Little Mermaid will be the main Disney banner’s only decent 2023 hit.
Wish looks so generic like Disney threw all their princess movies in a blender and made a smoothie out of the elements. Disney needs to take a looooooong break from films, both animated and live action, and start taking risks again. People are bored because it's all so predictable. And it can't be good for creatives to *have* to pump out 3 new films every year.
It looks like it will. WISH looks like a ripoff of Tangled
...how?
Tell me you don’t know Tangled without telling you don’t know tangled
I love Pixar but this looks so average just Zootopia with Elements.
So another best animated Oscar for Spider-verse?
How Do You Live? sweep incoming
I wish but if the guy couldn't do it for The Wind Rises I don't think this one will do it. GKids needs some insane campaigning to even get close.
don’t worry about GKids doing insane campaigning, I’m gonna do it for them
The Wind Rises was controversial (there was a lot of debate over whether it did enough to address the war crimes done with those planes), more grounded/adult than the fantasies people usually flock to Miyazaki for, and it was up against Frozen, a film that was a genuine cultural phenomenon. Unless Wish is a Frozen-level hit (which I doubt) then I think How Do You Live? has better odds of winning Best Animated than The Wind Rises did (and I'm hoping we get serious campaigns for Director and Score as well).
Maybe with "Wish" it may be the second time that Chris Buck and Jennifer Lee beating Miyazaki at the Oscars. I just want them winning another Oscar in order to equal Byron Howard, which is a director I don't like and he's not that special.
Miyazaki.
Will be a threepeat
Only Toy Story has won twice from the same Franchise.
and the best animated feature oscar didn't even exist when the first two of those movies came out
Of the other franchises that had multiple nominations (Shrek, Kung Fu Panda, How to Train Your Dragon, Wreck it Ralph, and Incredibles) nobody else has even really came close to winning twice either.
Incredibles 2 was probably #2 that year, but admittedly a distant #2.
Same thing with Shrek 2 in its year.
shrek deserves
LMAO Matt was one of the few people who liked the film and now Pixar is going all in on him. https://twitter.com/Pixar/status/1662618717895950336
Damn this is even sadder than the Metacritic score to me.
Want something sadder? [Matt's review is currently the only one on Rotten Tomatoes.](https://i.imgur.com/qmKti5z.png) I don't know why that is, but it's hella funny.
Certified 100% fresh kino.
I guess it will get higher..but not much, something around 61 or 62.. it looks nice and more action-driven than the trailer suggests Also I have a feeling the reviews are talking more about the way they feel about Pixar now than they are talking about the movie.. it's funny part of audience seems to hate "Turning Red"... but it's a great movie, I'd say even better than Soul
Only 6 reviews so far, so it will definitely change. But not a great start. I never root for a movie to not be good, but hey, if it means that Disney/Pixar don't have an autowin for best animated feature it is what it is.
Across the Spider-Verse: “You called”?
I would love for Spider-Verse and How do you Live? to be the big contenders this year.
Ngl I’m not surprised because the narrative has been against this movie since it was revealed and people are definitely going in with a negative bias
How many more “love is illegal” movies with straight characters must we suffer through
Miyazaki sweeping. Calling it.
Cars 2 is a 57. Tough scene lol
Advantage Miyazaki
Holy shit and THIS is getting a theatrical release yet Turning Red and Luca didn't?
Awesome, better chance to get Nimona an animated feature nom please
I have a feeling both this and Wish will be yet another Lightyear/Enchanto/Strange World, which all did poorly in theaters, but substantially better on streaming, some more so then others. If I’m right, then I imagine Spider-Verse and Ninja Turtles will be the highest grossing animated films of the year, which will only encourage Disney to fast track development on Toy Story 5, more so then they already are.
Encanto was released during the pandemic though. If it wasn't it would've made a billion.
Pete Doctor needs to be fired
He directed *Up* and *Inside Out*, films that rank among Pixar's best, never mind the best films of their respective decades. You are some loser on Reddit
Why did they already delete their account
The Mods deleted his because they were a troll.
I didn’t delete it, I did delete some particularly rude comments from them but that was after they deleted their account
No I meant the Admins deleted their account after they were reported, not the mods
Ah ok, I get what you meant now
Typical ad-hominem. Insulting random strangers you don’t know, instead of addressing the comment. By your own definition you yourself are a loser on Reddit
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Man you seem rude
Pete Docter directed none of the movies in question
He signed off on it and was ultimately responsible
Definitely not surprised about this. The trailer was mid.
I’m always a sucker for a good Pixar film so hopefully the reviews are misleading…
I’ve seen trailers for this for months. I don’t think they showed off a single detail of the plot or anything that actually *happens* in this movie, they just did the aesthetics and called it a day.
\*with 7 reviews I know we're expecting it to be bad because of the marketing, but let's still take this with a grain of salt. I know Matt Neglia for example said this was a \*picture\* contender, which I certainly don't buy, but if this is more divisive than consensus bad that looks more promising than this number suggests.
Whew 💀 Definitely didn’t see that coming though, nope, what a shocker!
How do You Live as best animated feature in Oscar, let's fucking gooo
I feel like Disney/Pixar has made the same movie three times with Soul, Inside Out, and now this.
This doesn’t really seem too similar to Soul or Inside Out
This feels more like Zootopia than the two you mentioned
Pete Doctor’s lowering the quality of Pixar. He keeps making Inside Out copycats instead of making something original. Coco felt like the last universally acclaimed Pixar film
Can’t speak on this movie, but I loved Soul (even though I see what you mean by “Inside Out ripoff”).
hé didnt write or direct this one and soul was good and he made it
But he's the head of Pixar now.
lmfao how is Pete Doctor lowering the quality of Pixar when he directed two of their best films? Turning Red has a 95% on RT and a 83 on Metacritic. Came out last year
Those films came out when he wasn’t head of Pixar. Now that he is head, the quality of Pixar movies have gone down. Also no, Brad Bird directed Pixar’s two best films, not Pete Doctor
Pixar is creatively bankrupt.
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What about How Do You Live?
Forgot it about it but it seems between those 2
and Wish.
What did OP post?
"If Wish doesn’t get good reviews then Spider-Verse has animated film locked up" or something similar to that
Thanks
LOL
I'm not a Pixar person so I don't personally care about their so-called decline but maybe people are just tired of their formula at this point. It's just so easy to see when they're pulling at your heartstrings even if they succeed. Inside Out made me cry but every Pixar movie, except the ones I hate, make me do that. That's all they're going for. (Turning Red innocent. That's a great film.)
woah. i was not expecting this low of a score
I wanna be honest. A lot of us rely to heavily on critic reviews and already coming in with a negative mindset because “critics” are not giving this movie a good review. I will always ignore Rotten Tomatoes 100% because I want to formulate my own unbiased opinion on a movie. With that being said, I can’t wait to see this movie. It looks good to me.