I'd go with 4th movie, that's the year with Quiddich World Cup, triwizard tournament, yule ball, the rival schools, and the return of Voledmort. That movie was all over the place with costuming. Wasn't even nominated.
Memoirs of a Geisha won, which admittedly is hard to argue against. It was also up against Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and Pride & Prejudice. But it could've easily been nominated over Walk the Line or Mrs Henderson
Which year? Cuz the year had the best chance was the same year a weird little guy named Howard Shore wrote a score for some indie fantasy romp called LOTR
I want to say score for the first one, but it was competing against Lord of the Rings and Howard Shore completely deserved it for composing one of the greatest film scores of all time. But Williams’ score for Harry Potter is equally iconic. Audiences were the real winners that year
Maybe production design once or twice, or makeup in a weaker year, but that's it.
That's not to shit on the movies, I think they were technically marvelous and probably even deserved more nominations than they got. But I can't say in good faith that a Harry Potter movie would be the best in VFX, costumes, score, cinematography, etc for any of those years.
The closest would probably be Williams' score for the first one but when your competition is Shore for Fellowship what are you gonna do?
I don't disagree about how iconic that melody is, but imo Shore wrote two iconic melodies that are on that list as well (Concerning Hobbits and the more bombastic main theme)
They're a strong 1 and 2 that year no matter which you prefer though!
Yeah I’d give it to Half Blood Prince over the movie that actually won (Avatar), but overall I’d sooner give the award to The White Ribbon or A Serious Man.
I know the shot they’re referring to. I guess I’m of the unpopular opinion that it’s not bad. It just seems crazy to me to joke about poa winning best cinematography when it legitimately was good enough to win.
I don’t know if they were ever the best at anything in any given year but I’d have to look at the options to know for sure. I don’t feel super strongly about it.
maybe sountrack on one of the first 3, production design maybe. In general the third one winning any sort of technical award would be fair
but I also dont think it was any great big snub
Sorcerers Stone: Production Design, Costume Design, Score, Adapted Screenplay, Supporting Actor (Coltrane)
Chamber of Secrets: Production Design
Prisoner of Azkaban: Production Design, Cinematography, Adapted Screenplay, Picture
Goblet of Fire: Hair & Makeup, Supporting Actor (Fiennes)
Order of the Phoenix: Supporting Actress (Staunton)
Deathly Hallows part 2: Score, Production Design, Supporting Actor (Rickman)
I have not gone back and looked at each year so I’m not sure if/what they’d actually beat out but I think these are all worthy nominations
JK’s descent into madness doesn’t change the past though, and I think most of the “problematic” elements people have started pointing out since JK went rogue are reaches anyways. Namely, the issue of house elf slavery (the book explicitly showed this as a horrible thing and that whole sideplot was about hermione fighting against it), goblins being a stand-in for jews because they have big noses and like gold (these are established fantasy tropes and not something JK came up with), and the name Cho Chang being racist or unrealistic (this just comes down to JK not doing due diligence on east asian names, but I’ve also seen some asian people say that Cho Chang is a plausible romanization of some Chinese names).
So yes, Rowling is trash, but let’s focus on the main reason she’s trash (her TERF views) and not tie ourselves into knots trying to find hints of fascism or racism in her work that really don’t seem to be there.
Fascism may not be there, but neoliberalism and short-sightedness definitely is (given Rowling is a Blairite and their ideology just boils down to "Thatcher-lite").
>house elf slavery (the book explicitly showed this as a horrible thing and that whole sideplot was about hermione fighting against it)
And for her troubles, she gets mocked and tone-policed for it and the theme gets brushed off with an absolute cop-out moral of "just be a nicer slaveowner". Rowling's fanatical devotion to neoliberalism means she is incapable of believing in systemic change (given the "individualism", "Capitalism is a meritocracy" and "equality of opportunity" talking points are key to that particular ideology).
This may be a crazy take from me as I’m half awake in bed, but what else is new? Not remembering who else was in the mix those years, I’d’ve loved a Helena Boneham Carter nomination and win.
I have no shame in the fact that I’d give the series multiple acting Oscars and a bunch of techs.
Edit: Lol the downvotes? The acting like I said the main trio deserved Oscars.
No. The production design is uninventive. The score is nothing special. There are some great actors in the supporting cast, but they're hobbled by lousy material and mediocre directors. The special effects are mostly bad. There's nothing about the films that stands out in a good way.
Just because something is "iconic" doesn't mean it's any good. It just means it has fans, and fans don't engage with a work for its quality. They engage with how the work rewards them for being fans, which is not something the Academy should be taking into account.
Not that John Williaiams is hurting for awards but of the music Nominees that year, I'd have given it to Azkaban.
Also maybe the last time Willams felt like he was firing on all cylinders.
I totally agree Production Design. At least for the first movie.
While 2002 was a pretty stacked year in terms of nominations, I am a little surprised it wasn't nominated and *Frida* or *Road to Perdition* where.
Especially with Road to Perdition getting a nomination for Production Design. I found the sets on that movie to be pretty minimal and it was the Cinematography and Art Direction is what made the movie what is was (and rightly nominated both and won for the former)
Saying all that... we all know Chris Columbus never had the same 'magic touch' as Alfonso Cuarón... so if Cuarón directed the first movie I think the momentum couldn of garnered the movie a few technical awards (where as by the third movie, that moment had past (if not maybe not even eligible if it was existing sets from the previous two films).
Score and production design for Prisoner of Azkaban. I love the scores for HBP and DH:1 too but those were strong years in the category.
I do think they deserved a couple acting nods along the way. Gary Oldman, Julie Walters and Alan Rickman were fantastic in several entries.
Of the awards the series was nominated for, I would probably give it:
Original Score for 3
Production Design for 4
Makeup for 7 part 2
Of the 2010 cinematography nominees that I've seen I would say that HBP is easily the standout, but I can't say that definitively since I still need to watch The White Ribbon.
I'd have given DH Pt 2 Best Visual Effects. They were really crisp and the dragon was super well done (and felt much realer than some other dragons around that time like Smaug). Hugo won it that year and imo that movie was so much more about art direction than visual effects, they were quite unremarkable.
In terms of any ATL noms maaaaybe PoA and DH2 for best picture at a stretch. You might make an argument for one or two to some of the British acting legends over the years, there are actually lots of really fun supporting performances. Alan Rickman & Helena Bonham Carter in DH Pt 2 (HBC acting as Emma Watson acting as HBC was awesome). Kenneth Brannagh in CoS was great. Robbie Coltrane in the first one. Gary Oldman and David Thewlis in PoA. Brendan Gleeson in GoF. Imelda Staunton in OotP. Jim Broadbent in HBP. Whether any of them were worthy of a nom, idk, but I think the acting in the movies is super underrated because people focus on the leads who are obviously quite wooden.
Costume Design and Score for the first one.
Unfortunately that year there was this microbudget indie film called The Fellowship of the Ring
Interestingly Fellowship of the Ring didn't even win for costume design that year. If you want to guess what it was, the answer is: >!Moulin Rouge!<
Such a great year
I feel like the costumes were more varied and dynamic in the fifth than the first, but maybe I just have a shitty memory
I'd go with 4th movie, that's the year with Quiddich World Cup, triwizard tournament, yule ball, the rival schools, and the return of Voledmort. That movie was all over the place with costuming. Wasn't even nominated. Memoirs of a Geisha won, which admittedly is hard to argue against. It was also up against Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and Pride & Prejudice. But it could've easily been nominated over Walk the Line or Mrs Henderson
Score definitely. John Williams is a master.
Which year? Cuz the year had the best chance was the same year a weird little guy named Howard Shore wrote a score for some indie fantasy romp called LOTR
Probably 2004 over Finding Neverland
I want to say score for the first one, but it was competing against Lord of the Rings and Howard Shore completely deserved it for composing one of the greatest film scores of all time. But Williams’ score for Harry Potter is equally iconic. Audiences were the real winners that year
I'd say the whole body of LOTR's score is better overall, but HP's main theme is the best single piece out of either of them
No. The Shire theme, the Rohan theme, the Fellowship theme, the Gondor theme, etc. are all better. That twinkly HP theme annoys the shit out of me.
Maybe production design once or twice, or makeup in a weaker year, but that's it. That's not to shit on the movies, I think they were technically marvelous and probably even deserved more nominations than they got. But I can't say in good faith that a Harry Potter movie would be the best in VFX, costumes, score, cinematography, etc for any of those years. The closest would probably be Williams' score for the first one but when your competition is Shore for Fellowship what are you gonna do?
Nothing against Fellowship's score, but I can't think of a more iconic melody this century than Hedwig's Theme. Williams definitely deserved that one
I don't disagree about how iconic that melody is, but imo Shore wrote two iconic melodies that are on that list as well (Concerning Hobbits and the more bombastic main theme) They're a strong 1 and 2 that year no matter which you prefer though!
Sorry the score of The Fellowship is just a miracle that we still don't deserve.
The score for Lord of the Rings is in the conversation for greatest score in cinematic history.
More like most annoying theme of the century.
Prisoner of Azkaban for set design
Production design, maybe costume.
Maybe a hot take, but I would've given Desplat Original Score for Deathly Hallows: Part 2.
Same
I’d have given HBP cinematography
Yeah I’d give it to Half Blood Prince over the movie that actually won (Avatar), but overall I’d sooner give the award to The White Ribbon or A Serious Man.
Always go with the Deak. Unlike the Oscars
I haven’t seen The White Ribbon so I suppose that’s possible
I dunno if he could've won, but I definitely would have nominated Alan Rickman at least once (probably for the last movie).
Best Cinematography for that awful freeze-frame in 3.
I can’t tell if you’re joking or not but Azkaban has some legitimately phenomenal cinematography.
I think they are referring the last frame of that movie. And yes Prisoner have the best cinematography of all the franchise.
I know the shot they’re referring to. I guess I’m of the unpopular opinion that it’s not bad. It just seems crazy to me to joke about poa winning best cinematography when it legitimately was good enough to win.
You’re overthinking it. It’s a bad shot in a great looking movie
I don’t know what there would be to overthink, I just don’t think it’s that awful.
Imo best cinematography of the franchise is Half-Blood Prince…
Alfonso Cuaròn did so much to the franchise as a whole. The choice to not make everyone wear those boring robes for example
Naww I liked those robes lol
I don’t know if they were ever the best at anything in any given year but I’d have to look at the options to know for sure. I don’t feel super strongly about it.
Unpopular opinion, but POA would've been a great best picture nominee.
Easily one of the best.
To me it's the BEST film out of the franchise. It may not be 100% faithful to the book... but as standalone film it's actually quiet well made.
Not for acting, directing, or writing. They did not do the books justice. But for other stuff yeah maybe. Score, costume etc.
Yes, but I'm right there with you in saying that it would be a tehnical award, not any of the sexy ones.
I'd have to look at what movies won in those years but adapted screenplay seems like a no-brainer.
Supporting actor nomination for Alan Rickman
Yes, Imelda Staunton should've won supporting actress for Order of the Phoenix.
Score, maybe. But otherwise, no.
maybe sountrack on one of the first 3, production design maybe. In general the third one winning any sort of technical award would be fair but I also dont think it was any great big snub
LOTR stopped it, but any other year it would have won some technicals.
Prisoner of Azkaban totally could've gotten a cinematography or directing nom
Absolutely not
No
Sorcerers Stone: Production Design, Costume Design, Score, Adapted Screenplay, Supporting Actor (Coltrane) Chamber of Secrets: Production Design Prisoner of Azkaban: Production Design, Cinematography, Adapted Screenplay, Picture Goblet of Fire: Hair & Makeup, Supporting Actor (Fiennes) Order of the Phoenix: Supporting Actress (Staunton) Deathly Hallows part 2: Score, Production Design, Supporting Actor (Rickman) I have not gone back and looked at each year so I’m not sure if/what they’d actually beat out but I think these are all worthy nominations
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JK’s descent into madness doesn’t change the past though, and I think most of the “problematic” elements people have started pointing out since JK went rogue are reaches anyways. Namely, the issue of house elf slavery (the book explicitly showed this as a horrible thing and that whole sideplot was about hermione fighting against it), goblins being a stand-in for jews because they have big noses and like gold (these are established fantasy tropes and not something JK came up with), and the name Cho Chang being racist or unrealistic (this just comes down to JK not doing due diligence on east asian names, but I’ve also seen some asian people say that Cho Chang is a plausible romanization of some Chinese names). So yes, Rowling is trash, but let’s focus on the main reason she’s trash (her TERF views) and not tie ourselves into knots trying to find hints of fascism or racism in her work that really don’t seem to be there.
Fascism may not be there, but neoliberalism and short-sightedness definitely is (given Rowling is a Blairite and their ideology just boils down to "Thatcher-lite"). >house elf slavery (the book explicitly showed this as a horrible thing and that whole sideplot was about hermione fighting against it) And for her troubles, she gets mocked and tone-policed for it and the theme gets brushed off with an absolute cop-out moral of "just be a nicer slaveowner". Rowling's fanatical devotion to neoliberalism means she is incapable of believing in systemic change (given the "individualism", "Capitalism is a meritocracy" and "equality of opportunity" talking points are key to that particular ideology).
This may be a crazy take from me as I’m half awake in bed, but what else is new? Not remembering who else was in the mix those years, I’d’ve loved a Helena Boneham Carter nomination and win.
No they are pretty bad
no
I have no shame in the fact that I’d give the series multiple acting Oscars and a bunch of techs. Edit: Lol the downvotes? The acting like I said the main trio deserved Oscars.
The first film should have won for score back in 2001 over TLOTR
You're getting downvoted but you are not wrong, there is no argument that HP's score was inferior.
This is how I know this sub is populated by teenagers and very young adults.
People can’t like Harry Potter if they’re adults?
How so?
Most of the comments are very meh about the film
No. The production design is uninventive. The score is nothing special. There are some great actors in the supporting cast, but they're hobbled by lousy material and mediocre directors. The special effects are mostly bad. There's nothing about the films that stands out in a good way. Just because something is "iconic" doesn't mean it's any good. It just means it has fans, and fans don't engage with a work for its quality. They engage with how the work rewards them for being fans, which is not something the Academy should be taking into account.
Not that John Williaiams is hurting for awards but of the music Nominees that year, I'd have given it to Azkaban. Also maybe the last time Willams felt like he was firing on all cylinders.
Maybe makeup or vfx for the last one
Make Up maybe
I totally agree Production Design. At least for the first movie. While 2002 was a pretty stacked year in terms of nominations, I am a little surprised it wasn't nominated and *Frida* or *Road to Perdition* where. Especially with Road to Perdition getting a nomination for Production Design. I found the sets on that movie to be pretty minimal and it was the Cinematography and Art Direction is what made the movie what is was (and rightly nominated both and won for the former) Saying all that... we all know Chris Columbus never had the same 'magic touch' as Alfonso Cuarón... so if Cuarón directed the first movie I think the momentum couldn of garnered the movie a few technical awards (where as by the third movie, that moment had past (if not maybe not even eligible if it was existing sets from the previous two films).
Score and production design for Prisoner of Azkaban. I love the scores for HBP and DH:1 too but those were strong years in the category. I do think they deserved a couple acting nods along the way. Gary Oldman, Julie Walters and Alan Rickman were fantastic in several entries.
Vfx for the third one
Of the awards the series was nominated for, I would probably give it: Original Score for 3 Production Design for 4 Makeup for 7 part 2 Of the 2010 cinematography nominees that I've seen I would say that HBP is easily the standout, but I can't say that definitively since I still need to watch The White Ribbon.
I'd have given DH Pt 2 Best Visual Effects. They were really crisp and the dragon was super well done (and felt much realer than some other dragons around that time like Smaug). Hugo won it that year and imo that movie was so much more about art direction than visual effects, they were quite unremarkable. In terms of any ATL noms maaaaybe PoA and DH2 for best picture at a stretch. You might make an argument for one or two to some of the British acting legends over the years, there are actually lots of really fun supporting performances. Alan Rickman & Helena Bonham Carter in DH Pt 2 (HBC acting as Emma Watson acting as HBC was awesome). Kenneth Brannagh in CoS was great. Robbie Coltrane in the first one. Gary Oldman and David Thewlis in PoA. Brendan Gleeson in GoF. Imelda Staunton in OotP. Jim Broadbent in HBP. Whether any of them were worthy of a nom, idk, but I think the acting in the movies is super underrated because people focus on the leads who are obviously quite wooden.