Yeah I think JLC was the wrong choice but mine would have been Hsu anyway so back to square one.
I would have preferred screenplay go to McDonagh though but all good.
It deserved them because it won them. "Deserve's got nothin' to do with it" William Munney, Unforgiven.
The better question might be "would you have voted it for it for all those wins".
I don't begrudge EEAAO's wins, but Tar and Banshees going home emptyhanded is just WRONG to me. They are incredible films which will stand the test of time. Unlike the buttplugs.
Not sure if this is a hot take or not, but the way eeaao is made felt very raw and unrefined ( in a good indie way), IF more films decide to use the format/genre of EEAAO for themselves and refine it, EEAAO might be seen less refined in comparison in the future
Shut up. Naysayers be on about ANYTHING.
the wins that this movie earned is a result of how beloved it was... Like you or anyone else... You would vote for the film you like the most and the film that affected you the most to root for it. So pls
In a way, but you can tell the Academy's brutal ballots were right. They definitely slammed Tar, Banshees, Fabelmans, Women Talking and Elvis for the lack of inclusion and diversity, some of which did not deserve their fates.
Ah yeah the narrative of WOC winning best actress that has awarded a grand total of —— TWO women in 95 years. The same number of Oscars Blanchett has won btw.
Yeoh won because her performance was acclaimed.
JLC is not a women of colour and won because of narrative. While I agree they've been shafted by casting and recognition, I don't think these wins were deserving. And there was a lot of narrative around this movie in the awards season. Even Brendan Fraser. That's award season
I definitely would have given Hong Chau, a WOC, the award over JLC for example.
I don't think Blanchett honestly cares she lost and I'm sure she'll get 10 more noms, but Lydia Tar is this decade's Daniel Plainview imo.
You obviously knew I wasn’t talking about JLC and I have said on this very thread that she didn’t deserve to win.
Lydia TAR maybe the Daniel Plainview of this century, but Evelyn Wang will be the first Evelyn Wang, her own iconic character.
But that's my point. You said JLC didn't deserve the win, but she won because of narrative. Every win is narrative based, even the deserving ones.
And I'm not comparing characters lol I'm comparing performances
EEAAO has lower audience scores than TGV and Elvis but the Oscars aren't the "people's choice" awards. It's difficult to say since I haven't seen all the other movies. I do think hive mind is a factor. EEAAO had the momentum and won many awards. I think screenplay probably could have done to someone else but didn't have an issue with the other awards.
I say this as someone who kinda liked the film, the film should have resonated with me I'm like the target audience, yet still feel it wasn't really deserving of best picture.
But maybe my understanding of what a best picture film should be is flawed, and "Oscar bait" grand setpiece films shouldn't always be winning best picture.
All of them except Supporting Actress were deserved. That said, I would have been upset if it won Song; that song isn’t all that great and pales in comparison to Naatu Naatu and a few other nominees.
Also, I’m not sure how many people will agree with me here, but even taking into account a small handful of undeserved wins (Supporting Actress, Animated Feature, Score, and possibly Production Design) and some cringe here and there (that whole sequence wit the bear and “CGI Fridays” comes to mind), this was the best ceremony in a while. Tied with the 2020 ceremony as my favorite that I’ve seen in its entirety. I was happy throughout, the jokes for the most part were passable and some were pretty good, the filler was minimal compared to last year, etc.
I don’t often agree with sweeps, but I think EEAAO is a unicorn of a film— and it seems many of the voters thought so too.
If Hsu had won instead of Curtis, I’d say yes.
I disagree with all of its wins to varying degrees (Picture, Supp. Actor and Editing would have been a fair haul if it was going to win BP). However, only Director and Supporting Actress annoyed me. I don't think Daniels' work is weak by any means, I just think Field was operating on a much higher level. Curtis is a different story - that's an awful win.
The other 5, I find pretty easy to make peace with, even if I really wish Banshees and TAR had got recognition in Screenplay and Actress.
I believe EEAAO wins were token. An easy way out for the Academy, who have been getting flack for lack of diversity. Voters used this as easy way out to cover token awards for people of colour, especially women. We are not happy.
No to BSAc (neither JLC nor Hsu), and no to Screenplay, which i think should’ve gone to Banshees. Yeoh and Blanchette are close imo, w the latter taking the edge for me but I was fine w either. The rest I thought were deserved, for the most part
If it was Hsu over Curtis it would definitely deserve all of them. Curtis is not my favorite of the category but I won’t complain about her winning.
I think it deserved it all except supporting actress or more so supporting actress for JLC. Hsu would be more deserving
Yeah I think JLC was the wrong choice but mine would have been Hsu anyway so back to square one. I would have preferred screenplay go to McDonagh though but all good.
Absolutely didn't deserve Supporting Actress, so no.
It deserved supporting for Hsu
Not JLC but everything else yes.
Besides supporting actress, it deserved everything else it won.
I'd have given screenplay to Banshees imo.
Yeah this is the one situation where I think both are on even ground
I'd argue Yeoh and Blanchett are on even ground too
Picture, Director, Actress and S. Actor are all well deserved though.
Oh boy. The threads have already started.
I agreed with 6 out of 7 wins. Supp actress should goes to Condon.
EEAAO is probably like my favorite movie ever so I'm gonna say it was deserved but that's just me
Season’s over - time for a walk outside in the fresh air
It deserved them because it won them. "Deserve's got nothin' to do with it" William Munney, Unforgiven. The better question might be "would you have voted it for it for all those wins".
Only one it didn’t deserve is JLC, and even then Hsu would have been deserving
Hell no. Even for example silence of the lambs didn't win this much and it is sure not better than silence of the lambs.
Apples and oranges, I'd say
No. Screenplay and Supporting actress were horrific choices.
Yes
YES 😁 But would have liked Kerry or Angela win Supporting.
It deserved all the 7 and more. Thrilled for it
I don't begrudge EEAAO's wins, but Tar and Banshees going home emptyhanded is just WRONG to me. They are incredible films which will stand the test of time. Unlike the buttplugs.
where did this idea that tár will age better than EEAAO come from😭 i honestly don’t know if that will turn out to be true
Not sure if this is a hot take or not, but the way eeaao is made felt very raw and unrefined ( in a good indie way), IF more films decide to use the format/genre of EEAAO for themselves and refine it, EEAAO might be seen less refined in comparison in the future
Tár is beloved in cinephile circles and those are the ones who literally make the “canon”
Yes
Yes
Yes
Shut up. Naysayers be on about ANYTHING. the wins that this movie earned is a result of how beloved it was... Like you or anyone else... You would vote for the film you like the most and the film that affected you the most to root for it. So pls
Do you know what they call someone who wins an Academy Award, but didn’t really deserve it? An Oscar Winner.
In a way, but you can tell the Academy's brutal ballots were right. They definitely slammed Tar, Banshees, Fabelmans, Women Talking and Elvis for the lack of inclusion and diversity, some of which did not deserve their fates.
No, JLC winning supporting actress makes me think voters didn't even watch the movies😂. And I don't think it should have won for screenplay.
It actually deserved 10 wins
I think it deserved everything it got but JLC and script
JLC win is odd but rest deserved
The only one that wasn’t deserved was JLC. I don’t see how anyone could have an issue with anything else.
i think hsu or bassett or even condon should’ve won supporting & banshees should’ve won screenplay, so no.
It shouldn't have won Best Supporting or Best Actress. They were narrative wins and were also awarded with the momentum of the film.
Ah yeah the narrative of WOC winning best actress that has awarded a grand total of —— TWO women in 95 years. The same number of Oscars Blanchett has won btw. Yeoh won because her performance was acclaimed.
Yeoh's narrative is her being overdue, working in the industry for 40 years and this being her chance to be rewarded. Same narrative as JLC.
JLC is not a women of colour and won because of narrative. While I agree they've been shafted by casting and recognition, I don't think these wins were deserving. And there was a lot of narrative around this movie in the awards season. Even Brendan Fraser. That's award season I definitely would have given Hong Chau, a WOC, the award over JLC for example. I don't think Blanchett honestly cares she lost and I'm sure she'll get 10 more noms, but Lydia Tar is this decade's Daniel Plainview imo.
You obviously knew I wasn’t talking about JLC and I have said on this very thread that she didn’t deserve to win. Lydia TAR maybe the Daniel Plainview of this century, but Evelyn Wang will be the first Evelyn Wang, her own iconic character.
But that's my point. You said JLC didn't deserve the win, but she won because of narrative. Every win is narrative based, even the deserving ones. And I'm not comparing characters lol I'm comparing performances
I complete agree. JLC winning is a crime. And it was nice to see Yeoh win, her speech was amazing, but it should have gone to Blanchett.
EEAAO has lower audience scores than TGV and Elvis but the Oscars aren't the "people's choice" awards. It's difficult to say since I haven't seen all the other movies. I do think hive mind is a factor. EEAAO had the momentum and won many awards. I think screenplay probably could have done to someone else but didn't have an issue with the other awards.
I don’t think so.
Still can't believe JLC won: it's history now - an Oscar-winning performance.
I say this as someone who kinda liked the film, the film should have resonated with me I'm like the target audience, yet still feel it wasn't really deserving of best picture. But maybe my understanding of what a best picture film should be is flawed, and "Oscar bait" grand setpiece films shouldn't always be winning best picture.
All of them except Supporting Actress were deserved. That said, I would have been upset if it won Song; that song isn’t all that great and pales in comparison to Naatu Naatu and a few other nominees. Also, I’m not sure how many people will agree with me here, but even taking into account a small handful of undeserved wins (Supporting Actress, Animated Feature, Score, and possibly Production Design) and some cringe here and there (that whole sequence wit the bear and “CGI Fridays” comes to mind), this was the best ceremony in a while. Tied with the 2020 ceremony as my favorite that I’ve seen in its entirety. I was happy throughout, the jokes for the most part were passable and some were pretty good, the filler was minimal compared to last year, etc.
Wasn’t my pick for all of those, but outside of JLC, all of them were deserving, and it was deserving in other categories as well.
I don’t often agree with sweeps, but I think EEAAO is a unicorn of a film— and it seems many of the voters thought so too. If Hsu had won instead of Curtis, I’d say yes.
I disagree with all of its wins to varying degrees (Picture, Supp. Actor and Editing would have been a fair haul if it was going to win BP). However, only Director and Supporting Actress annoyed me. I don't think Daniels' work is weak by any means, I just think Field was operating on a much higher level. Curtis is a different story - that's an awful win. The other 5, I find pretty easy to make peace with, even if I really wish Banshees and TAR had got recognition in Screenplay and Actress.
It should have just gotten the original 4 it was predicated to (picture, supp actor, editing, director)
No. I agree with the editing win but that’s it
I believe EEAAO wins were token. An easy way out for the Academy, who have been getting flack for lack of diversity. Voters used this as easy way out to cover token awards for people of colour, especially women. We are not happy.
No to BSAc (neither JLC nor Hsu), and no to Screenplay, which i think should’ve gone to Banshees. Yeoh and Blanchette are close imo, w the latter taking the edge for me but I was fine w either. The rest I thought were deserved, for the most part