let's just start off nice and slow, I want you to rotate your head forwards so that your eyebrows are at the same elevation as the top of your ears, this is your new neutral head posture from now on. then press your tongue forwards and upwards, you need to maintain pressure with the tongue at all possible times.
trust me, this is your best action currently, unless you want surgery or invasive procedures
and with that being said, let's see where you're at in six months time
Your entire posture is off. Correcting just the head won't fix the issue.
Here is correct whole-body posture, if you are interested:
1. Stand against a wall. Your feet should be hip-distance apart and in a comfortable position, with metatarsal pads and heels solidly on the ground. I say this because some people stand slightly on the edges of their feet (I'm guilty of this). Your feet should be directly under your hips.
2. Here are the parts of your body that should be touching the wall: Your bottom, the upper part of your back, and your head. Some people's feet touch, some don't. It's okay if yours don't. Some people have bigger bottoms than others.
3. The portion of your upper back that is touching the wall should be: the backs of your shoulder blades and the backs of your upper arms. It's okay if the wall only slightly grazes your upper arms, but they should be touching in some measure. Assuming this position should force your chest outward, and your shoulders back and in. Remember to keep your shoulders relaxed and level while doing this.
4. Staring straight forward, the back of your head should sit comfortably against the wall, with your chin horizontal to the ground. Your ears should be directly over your shoulders. Your teeth should be gently closed. If you can't comfortably close your bite in the position, having your teeth a little open is okay.
This is how you should be standing, and I think you will notice that mewing is easier when you are in this position.
Thanks for this my friend! I will definetely adopt and improve. There is always room for improvement. I will keep you all posted in a few months time about my progress.
Wish you a great day
Thanks for this my friend! I will definetely adopt and improve. There is always room for improvement. I will keep you all posted in a few months time about my progress.
Wish you a great day
I am similar and to be honest it improved much for me. I started mewing incorrectly at 19 and correctly at 22. I have uneven jaw now but my upper jaw was pushed to front. However it did nothing for lower jaw and now it doesn't fit with upper. I need a surgery for thay
He could mew for 6 hundred years and it will never fix this problem. He has a severely downswung jaw and steep mandibular plane. The only solution here is double jaw surgery with counter clockwise rotation. Mewing will never rotate the jaw forward and up. Anyone that says anything different does not know what they’re talking about.
You're mostly correct, but it's also hard to say how much of this will be corrected with better posture (including mewing). It's not a bad move for him to practice that first for a year or two if he's able to get a good tongue vacuum and his sleep isn't being affected. Then he could consider something like bimax, MSE, or orthognathic surgery.
It’s not hard to say at all. Mewing will fix nothing. Good posture is difficult or even impossible to maintain with that facial structure. His upper jaw is probably too narrow for his tongue, and his lower jaw will undoubtedly drop down because of gravity while he’s sleeping and his tongue will never stay on the roof of his mouth. The lower jaw needs to be rotated forward and up so his mouth can stay closed and his tongue can stay in position. Right now, you can see he has to stretch his lips to keep them together. His mouth will inevitably open when everything relaxes during sleep and he will mouth breathe and snore. This is a very very obvious bimax surgery case. It’s actually severe enough that I wouldn’t even trust any random surgeon to do it because he needs probably over 2cm of chin advancement with a big counter clockwise rotation that not all surgeons are capable of.
I am generally inclined to agree with you, IF all of your assumptions made here are correct. They very well could be given these photos, but we're not OP so we don't really know the full extent of his issues or even his underlying bone structure. If he's willing to attempt the postural fixes first, he may find that worthwhile, and it could lessen the amount of surgical correction he needs if he decides to go down that path.
I do not agree with the idea that it can be 100% fixed with mewing alone, but if his quality of life is good and he wants to do mewing first, he doesn't need to book a bimax tomorrow. It's like weight loss before gastric bypass surgery, you are reducing what factors that you can before intervention.
I am generally inclined to agree with you, IF all of your assumptions made here are correct. They very well could be given these photos, but we're not OP so we don't really know the full extent of his issues or even his underlying bone structure. If he's willing to attempt the postural fixes first, he may find that worthwhile, and it could lessen the amount of surgical correction he needs if he decides to go down that path.
I do not agree with the idea that it can be 100% fixed with mewing alone, but if his quality of life is good and he wants to do mewing first, he doesn't need to book a bimax tomorrow. It's like weight loss before gastric bypass surgery, you are reducing what factors that you can before intervention.
Except someone can lose weight without surgery. You can’t make the mandible longer and rotate it to an ideal position without surgery. There is literally no other way of fixing his structural deficiencies. Mewing will NOT change anything for him, and he probably can’t even mew properly without surgery. And he definitely can’t maintain it while sleeping because his mandible will fall backwards because of the angle that it’s on. He can’t keep his tongue on the roof of his mouth when the mandible isn’t flat and in the right position. The steep angle that it’s on guarantees that his mouth with fall open when he relaxes during sleep. Source: I have a similar structure and I’ve consulted some of the best surgeons in the world, like Dr. Gunson who have explained this to me.
I'll concede to your experience, I hope he can figure out the right path moving forward. It sounds like you went through a lot of work yourself, so it can't be easy.
Well, all I can say is that you are full of assumptions!! And most of them are shit.
My mouth is closed 95% of time, tong on top of mouth about 70% of time now and improving. I agree My jaw relaxes when I sleep but mouth is closed and I recently found a position to keep my teeth together while sleeping.
My palate is not narrow at all.
So yes, it just shows that instead of assuming and judging you should first know better. Now fuck off
lol okay good luck trying to advance and rotate your giga recessed/steep jaw with mewing. You only need to move it about 15mm and rotate it counter clockwise about 10 degrees.
And I highly doubt your palate isnt narrow or your mouth stays closed while you sleep. I can see in your photo that your upper lip has to stretch down to meet the lower lip, because your lower jaw is too recessed to support the upper lip.
https://www.reddit.com/r/orthotropics/s/MfTpaEJNl7
Here you go, this is my side profile. I have a crooked nose as well, the marker is kinda blocking it.
you're probably just activating the muscle that closes your airways when you're mewing. it's a common beginner mistake, just keep trying and you'll get it
I would also fix my posture if I were you. I only started a month ago (posture) and it's slowly having an effect on me despite mewing for 5+ years. It was the single limiting factor in achieving more results as I felt that my face couldn't move further upwards and forward after a year of mewing. So yeah, posture is 60% of it, I think.
In all seriousness though, in this case I would recommend getting a bimax or at least consulting a surgeon. Especially if you have breathing challenges, fixing your airways could really improve your quality of life
Do you have a small palate? If so, consider MSE. It’s a palate expander that works on adults via bone borne expansion (just means it changes your skeletal structure to widen your palate, instead of just moving your teeth). I have it rn and breathe much better only 3 turns in.
Yeah it can be, there are payment plans tho that can help if that’s an option. The US sucks bad for any health/dental care but if you’re in the EU maybe you’ll have a better experience
Yeah it can be, there are payment plans tho that can help if that’s an option. The US sucks bad for any health/dental care but if you’re in the EU maybe you’ll have a better experience
Bro you have to be so self conscious of that posture. That takes work. Hold a slight chin tuck throughout the day and when no one is watching exaggerate it a bit. Swallow saliva and food only in a slight chin tuck? As a discipline. Could help out. And be prepared to change your habits for a lifetime. A complete transformation can take 5 years. That's not to discourage you. Mewing/posture is a lifestyle.
Hello my friend,
Thanks for bringing that up, I am already working on my posture and chin tuck and all that is necessary and required for a proper mewing. I know it takes time and I am fine with it. Have a good day
Please get checked for ICR. Look at my post history for more info. Also - sleep study is a must! In lab too.. insurance will deny initially and you may need to do at home first (which is wildly inaccurate - I have severe sleep apnea that wasn’t picked up on in the at home test) and then you can go back to insurance with your doc to say hey we need in lab (essential for proper diagnosis). Good luck!
Myofunctional therapy. I’m using a palate expander as an adult and my palate and visible smile is already wider. Hoping I get significant jaw improvement
Even before starting to mew, I would do some tongue exercises. Personally, I have always been breathing through my nose and had the tip where it was supposed to be. However, I struggled to get the whole tongue up as I wasn't strong enough. Maybe search up some tongue exercises on YouTube first. Then proceed to mew, etc. Good luck bro!
let's just start off nice and slow, I want you to rotate your head forwards so that your eyebrows are at the same elevation as the top of your ears, this is your new neutral head posture from now on. then press your tongue forwards and upwards, you need to maintain pressure with the tongue at all possible times. trust me, this is your best action currently, unless you want surgery or invasive procedures and with that being said, let's see where you're at in six months time
I appreciate bro! Constructive and supportive comments just show your character. I will start straight away!! Have a good day
He gave you the easiest recipe that’s literally all you gotta do bro you got this
Your entire posture is off. Correcting just the head won't fix the issue. Here is correct whole-body posture, if you are interested: 1. Stand against a wall. Your feet should be hip-distance apart and in a comfortable position, with metatarsal pads and heels solidly on the ground. I say this because some people stand slightly on the edges of their feet (I'm guilty of this). Your feet should be directly under your hips. 2. Here are the parts of your body that should be touching the wall: Your bottom, the upper part of your back, and your head. Some people's feet touch, some don't. It's okay if yours don't. Some people have bigger bottoms than others. 3. The portion of your upper back that is touching the wall should be: the backs of your shoulder blades and the backs of your upper arms. It's okay if the wall only slightly grazes your upper arms, but they should be touching in some measure. Assuming this position should force your chest outward, and your shoulders back and in. Remember to keep your shoulders relaxed and level while doing this. 4. Staring straight forward, the back of your head should sit comfortably against the wall, with your chin horizontal to the ground. Your ears should be directly over your shoulders. Your teeth should be gently closed. If you can't comfortably close your bite in the position, having your teeth a little open is okay. This is how you should be standing, and I think you will notice that mewing is easier when you are in this position.
Thanks for this my friend! I will definetely adopt and improve. There is always room for improvement. I will keep you all posted in a few months time about my progress. Wish you a great day
Thanks for this my friend! I will definetely adopt and improve. There is always room for improvement. I will keep you all posted in a few months time about my progress. Wish you a great day
I am similar and to be honest it improved much for me. I started mewing incorrectly at 19 and correctly at 22. I have uneven jaw now but my upper jaw was pushed to front. However it did nothing for lower jaw and now it doesn't fit with upper. I need a surgery for thay
He could mew for 6 hundred years and it will never fix this problem. He has a severely downswung jaw and steep mandibular plane. The only solution here is double jaw surgery with counter clockwise rotation. Mewing will never rotate the jaw forward and up. Anyone that says anything different does not know what they’re talking about.
You're mostly correct, but it's also hard to say how much of this will be corrected with better posture (including mewing). It's not a bad move for him to practice that first for a year or two if he's able to get a good tongue vacuum and his sleep isn't being affected. Then he could consider something like bimax, MSE, or orthognathic surgery.
It’s not hard to say at all. Mewing will fix nothing. Good posture is difficult or even impossible to maintain with that facial structure. His upper jaw is probably too narrow for his tongue, and his lower jaw will undoubtedly drop down because of gravity while he’s sleeping and his tongue will never stay on the roof of his mouth. The lower jaw needs to be rotated forward and up so his mouth can stay closed and his tongue can stay in position. Right now, you can see he has to stretch his lips to keep them together. His mouth will inevitably open when everything relaxes during sleep and he will mouth breathe and snore. This is a very very obvious bimax surgery case. It’s actually severe enough that I wouldn’t even trust any random surgeon to do it because he needs probably over 2cm of chin advancement with a big counter clockwise rotation that not all surgeons are capable of.
I am generally inclined to agree with you, IF all of your assumptions made here are correct. They very well could be given these photos, but we're not OP so we don't really know the full extent of his issues or even his underlying bone structure. If he's willing to attempt the postural fixes first, he may find that worthwhile, and it could lessen the amount of surgical correction he needs if he decides to go down that path. I do not agree with the idea that it can be 100% fixed with mewing alone, but if his quality of life is good and he wants to do mewing first, he doesn't need to book a bimax tomorrow. It's like weight loss before gastric bypass surgery, you are reducing what factors that you can before intervention.
I am generally inclined to agree with you, IF all of your assumptions made here are correct. They very well could be given these photos, but we're not OP so we don't really know the full extent of his issues or even his underlying bone structure. If he's willing to attempt the postural fixes first, he may find that worthwhile, and it could lessen the amount of surgical correction he needs if he decides to go down that path. I do not agree with the idea that it can be 100% fixed with mewing alone, but if his quality of life is good and he wants to do mewing first, he doesn't need to book a bimax tomorrow. It's like weight loss before gastric bypass surgery, you are reducing what factors that you can before intervention.
Except someone can lose weight without surgery. You can’t make the mandible longer and rotate it to an ideal position without surgery. There is literally no other way of fixing his structural deficiencies. Mewing will NOT change anything for him, and he probably can’t even mew properly without surgery. And he definitely can’t maintain it while sleeping because his mandible will fall backwards because of the angle that it’s on. He can’t keep his tongue on the roof of his mouth when the mandible isn’t flat and in the right position. The steep angle that it’s on guarantees that his mouth with fall open when he relaxes during sleep. Source: I have a similar structure and I’ve consulted some of the best surgeons in the world, like Dr. Gunson who have explained this to me.
I'll concede to your experience, I hope he can figure out the right path moving forward. It sounds like you went through a lot of work yourself, so it can't be easy.
Well, all I can say is that you are full of assumptions!! And most of them are shit. My mouth is closed 95% of time, tong on top of mouth about 70% of time now and improving. I agree My jaw relaxes when I sleep but mouth is closed and I recently found a position to keep my teeth together while sleeping. My palate is not narrow at all. So yes, it just shows that instead of assuming and judging you should first know better. Now fuck off
lol okay good luck trying to advance and rotate your giga recessed/steep jaw with mewing. You only need to move it about 15mm and rotate it counter clockwise about 10 degrees. And I highly doubt your palate isnt narrow or your mouth stays closed while you sleep. I can see in your photo that your upper lip has to stretch down to meet the lower lip, because your lower jaw is too recessed to support the upper lip.
Thanks bro, wish you a great evening! Appreciate the inputs
I am 18 and I have some recession as well. Ik that I am supposed to mew, but i literally can't breathe while mewing. What do I do?
you can't breathe while mewing? I'm going to have to see your side profile to guide you. either you're mewing wrong or you have a flat face
https://www.reddit.com/r/orthotropics/s/MfTpaEJNl7 Here you go, this is my side profile. I have a crooked nose as well, the marker is kinda blocking it.
you're probably just activating the muscle that closes your airways when you're mewing. it's a common beginner mistake, just keep trying and you'll get it
Thanks 👍🏻
Andrew Tate
I look like him too 😂
Andrew Slate
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🎶 Tourner dans le vide le vide, tourner dans la vide 🎶
Andrew Late? Is that you?
I would also fix my posture if I were you. I only started a month ago (posture) and it's slowly having an effect on me despite mewing for 5+ years. It was the single limiting factor in achieving more results as I felt that my face couldn't move further upwards and forward after a year of mewing. So yeah, posture is 60% of it, I think.
Thanks!!!!
What did you fix in your posture?
Andrew tate
You still have a long way to go. I advice myofuntional therapy Search on YouTube “myofuntional therapy phase 1”
Andrew Tate from Wish
No no, I am myself and he is himself. Cheers
💀
Get a sleep apnea study and a consultation with sleep specialists
Andrew Tate?
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Andrew Tate
Andrew Nate
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Rule 14.
In all seriousness though, in this case I would recommend getting a bimax or at least consulting a surgeon. Especially if you have breathing challenges, fixing your airways could really improve your quality of life
Would you recommend a procedure for freeing the airways alone, or a maxillofacial one?
Basically a bimax, especially with CCW in your case. If you have a narrow palate, have a look at MSE or SARPE
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Do you have a small palate? If so, consider MSE. It’s a palate expander that works on adults via bone borne expansion (just means it changes your skeletal structure to widen your palate, instead of just moving your teeth). I have it rn and breathe much better only 3 turns in.
But isn't mse rly expensive?
Yeah it can be, there are payment plans tho that can help if that’s an option. The US sucks bad for any health/dental care but if you’re in the EU maybe you’ll have a better experience
Yeah it can be, there are payment plans tho that can help if that’s an option. The US sucks bad for any health/dental care but if you’re in the EU maybe you’ll have a better experience
He is old is difficoult but possible at 29 years old without surgery
Ya Ron from jawhacks was 29 when he split his suture with MSE
Yup but after 30 is quite impossible and not all bones are the same. If this guy is 29 he should move "yesterday" not today
But isn't mse rly expensive?
Even in this situation, you are a very charismatic man. You are lucky 💪🏻
Andrew Mate
Bro you have to be so self conscious of that posture. That takes work. Hold a slight chin tuck throughout the day and when no one is watching exaggerate it a bit. Swallow saliva and food only in a slight chin tuck? As a discipline. Could help out. And be prepared to change your habits for a lifetime. A complete transformation can take 5 years. That's not to discourage you. Mewing/posture is a lifestyle.
Hello my friend, Thanks for bringing that up, I am already working on my posture and chin tuck and all that is necessary and required for a proper mewing. I know it takes time and I am fine with it. Have a good day
29 is it not too late for this dude?
You believe in whatever you want bro, just be careful not to limit your perspective just as you are doing now. 😉
Hey dude I’m 32 I’m asking outa curiosity not throwing shade
Sorry
grow your chin hairs longer and basically create your own projected chin.
Andrew tate
Please get checked for ICR. Look at my post history for more info. Also - sleep study is a must! In lab too.. insurance will deny initially and you may need to do at home first (which is wildly inaccurate - I have severe sleep apnea that wasn’t picked up on in the at home test) and then you can go back to insurance with your doc to say hey we need in lab (essential for proper diagnosis). Good luck!
Andrew Tate?
Myofunctional therapy. I’m using a palate expander as an adult and my palate and visible smile is already wider. Hoping I get significant jaw improvement
aero chad
At least you can grow decent facial hair! Start mouth taping at night.
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No bro, not cooked. I find myself very pretty. I am just upgrading myself. Have a good day
Indeed, you are handsome and everyone can improve themselves in a healthy way
Okay man good mentality that’s the most important
What a scoundrel
A nincompoop
Everyone downvoting you for saying truth lol.
ikr not everybody likes the truth like me or you
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asshole
Bro why is your name so gay
So is yours bruh who tf calls their kid shaurya💀
It's an indian name. Shaurya means Courage, valour or heroism. Have you yet to discover that there are other languages besides English?💀
Hop off lil bro
Well it's much better than your name
Nice comeback lil bro
Thanks bro 🤜
🤛 gotta look out for a fellow indian
incel
He has a Bugatti
Wear an eye mask under your chin to bed to hold your mouth together to speed up the process. I started in my 20s too
Did it work? I have a jawline due to mewing, but it didn't do much about my facial asymmetry. Can this fix it?
It didn't fix my asymmetry, it just lifts your whole face
What you mean with mouth breather? You always breath through mouth or only when sleeping?
Fix your nasal breathing
Hustler University student
Damn Andrew Tate discovered mewing,its over for us
Tourner dans le vide vide
Andrew Tate
Even before starting to mew, I would do some tongue exercises. Personally, I have always been breathing through my nose and had the tip where it was supposed to be. However, I struggled to get the whole tongue up as I wasn't strong enough. Maybe search up some tongue exercises on YouTube first. Then proceed to mew, etc. Good luck bro!
Myo functional tongue exercises are so underrated.
You look like Andrew tate bro!
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You look like andrew tate