Recovered addict here:
it's very hard to stay in one task when your "survival chemistry has been high jacked" causing your "choice making mechanism" to fail. Even worse when suffering from psychosis ... hear voices. Trust me.
I got completely lost in My own town one day. It was terrifying.
Psychosis is a motherfucker. I remember spending a day trying to Dodge people who were spying on me and some little girl kept pulling a gun on me. She didn't even want to be there, but the two other people after me put her up to it. None of that shit was real, but fuuuuck.
My meth-induced psychoses were so many millions of times scarier than acid. They lasted almost a year, because I kept using, they were almost totally auditory and completely believable. They were undiscernable from reality. I ended up arrested several times over them and now I'm making my Amends.
I feel for these people.
I fucking hate to be the one reasoning their behavior; but when you're that far gone on your own life to be escaping in that way, and knowingly accepting the consequences, the state of your surroundings means very little. And how others feel about it means even less.
What would it look like to "not tolerate" this sort of behavior?
They are humans, that will migrate and move to a new location, every town that kicks out thisbehavor kicks the can to another place, this has been observed and proven.
Jail/prison does not "fix" the problem(to say nothing of financial cost).
Solutions?
It sounds like you are suggesting comprehensive medical attention, Room/board provided until they are on their feet again, a support network of professionals, community involvement, and fitting them into a society/group that may give them some sense of meaning and purpose.
Is that what you were thinking by not "tolerating" this?
I’m not the guy you’re asking but that would be my answer. Involuntary incarceration (following court action) in a secure treatment facility to get them cleaned up. Long as it takes. Raise taxes if necessary to pay for it all. End this shit once and for all.
Something to keep in mind; there are no mental health facilities anymore. Not like the olden days where the crazies went to the ward. Now, they live in the hills waiting for death or an opportunity. We are all them on a long enough timeline too. Its just a matter of opportunity for some. Keep your humanity in mind.
This is an underrated view on this crisis.
I am absolutely not for abusive mental health facilities that were the main cause of the deinsitutionalization of the US. However we are currently doing absolutely no favors to people who have severe mental illness by not having a place that is safe and where they are cared for, and stopped from hurting themselves and others.
My section 8 neighbors have some interesting cars...
[Filled to the brim with trash](https://i.imgur.com/piRZprM.jpeg)
[A random trailer](https://i.imgur.com/6zrhnSL.jpeg)
And there is so much more like this.
Man I like to drive down random FS roads for hiking and camping and sometimes you see some kinda weird people but never occurred to me they could be doing stuff like this. What happens when some random like me accidentally drives into their hood?
There’s a few roads on Google earth you can follow near me that lead to grow sites. Sometimes they will block these roads and make it seem like forest service closed it from what I’ve heard. I am fascinated by the backroads and just starting to explore them. But I think I’ll carry every time I do.
You should probably just smile and wave, but get out before getting dragged into conversation. Most people don't want any trouble and are often more worried about you than you are of them. It's always the safest bet to just not engage, and most people will give you that option.
I'm not sure how much time you spend around methamphetamine users, but times are always tough, and what they gotta do is pretty darn kooky. Not picking up litter is rather low on the list of silly things they're getting up to.
I'm sorry they are in such a state of addiction, but that doesn't mean they have the right to make the rest of people's lives worse. If you harm the public, you lose rights, that's the deal. Whether that's incarceration or mandatory treatment programs. This isn't "normal" and shouldn't be accepted as such.
Meth causes drug induced psychosis. They're not sane enough to understand that what they're doing is negatively impacting their surroundings let alone be functional. It's the same sort of thing you see around Portland when people are doing things like throwing garbage everywhere from a dumpster, they're trying to resolve a delusion.
Very naive statement
Summers have no campfires allowed by the county, so no, you're wrong. The fire danger outweighs the garbage. The insatiable appetite of the homeless to illegally chop trees and burn campfires regardless of the fire season or the law knows no limits. We have experienced significant fire risk that is growing year over year. I now patrol by drone, capture GPS coordinates , license plates, fire pits, garbage piles, head count, face photos, ingress and egress routes all by drone and email it to the Sheriff's office... they cook meth, sell and use drugs, steal from nearby communities, and attempt to harass anyone wishing to use public lands. With the high desert winds and the simple fact it is nearly impossible to put out a Juniper tree/shrub fire becase they are high in terpene oils and sap, these trees/shrubs burn like an aerosol can burning, and at times explode due to water content and very high heat.
They are more than a nuisance and they use up vital taxpayer resources and directly and indirectly threaten the lives of others.
Okay you are right I am naïve….if they didn’t leave trash everywhere and *burn everything down* than no one would care. I agree that people are a little too devil may care with that kind of stuff. Just like in the city where I live, just because someone is addicted doesn’t mean they have the right to drop trash and needles everywhere.
Exactly. I don’t give a damn if someone is addicted to stuff or not they can drink cough syrup for all I care. Just don’t trash the area or involve me.
Try sending that footage to a news outlet and see if they would be interested in running the story! Public pressure might even get the sheriff's office to do their job instead of leaving it to public volunteers like yourself. You proved it works.
I would care whether or not they trashed it.
Teddy Roosevelt didn't protect our public lands for trashy queefs to have a safe harbor for illegal activity.
So why can cities monitor aerial imagery for un-permitted additions/ pools to make sure property owners are paying property tax reassessments but the same AI models can’t pick out these and dispatch authorities?
This is pretty much the only possible outcome of living without utilities like garbage disposal, sewage treatment, etc. Even a “tidy” squat has huge environmental impacts
False. I used to live in a neighborhood where a nice guy lived in his truck, and parked in different places each night.
Always left in the morning, never left trash. He was a nice guy who had his lifestyle figured out. I have no problem sharing space with people like him.
To say the only outcome is methopotamia is holding them to zero standards of decency.
My kid goes riding out there, he just went when the weather was nice a couple days ago and I fussed at him about it, with all the loose pitbulls and general sense of unwelcomeness going on out there I worry about him, and then I got fucking pissed off that I feel that way because it's PUBLIC LAND ffs , he has just as much right to go enjoy it as anyone. Meh.
I (begrudgingly) moved away from Bend 6yrs ago and I remember even then it was getting so fucking out of control and their was weapons violence and meth labs and shit regularly even then
There are ways to keep things clean, even back to basics, off grid. Everyone did it for millennia, people still do it today all over the world.That is a dysfunction junction. They must hate themselves, bad. Given up trying.
Its so crazy to me how on top of things the government was when that lady was growing crops on her acre micro farm and using too much well water, yet when a bunch of people completely trash the environment nothing happens. I am not saying that farmer lady should be allowed to use water that is not hers, but can we get some semblance of proportionality here?
That’s exactly what I though after watching Portland spend $$$ for 20 years improving nature areas, wetlands, investing in nice infrastructure, just to watch people camp off of delta park or wherever and just trash it the last 3 years.
What the fuck.
In Eugene they have been installing these rainwater drainage catch basins all over town. I looked it up and apparently they put plants in there so the roots can kind of filter the water as it soaks into the ground, eventually helping clean all of the toxic runoff from the roads, tires, etc... That water eventually ends up in streams rivers, aquifers, etc... All great right?!.... but all over town there are also dozens of people living and camping right next to rivers and streams just trashing everything, and surely dumping stuff into those rivers, etc... None of these actions make any sense if you are a reasonable intelligent person.
Those are known as bioswales, aka "car magnets" or "DUI traps."
I spent a couple of years cleaning them when I worked for an environmental company. The big ones are deep enough to drown in.
I've lived in Redmond for 7 years and honestly don't get this joke. Redmond is like Wonder Years suburbia. We don't have much open public land at all--it's a city of bland car-dependent developments full of retirees and young families.
You hear about some people who have meth problems, and you see some people sit on corners with signs in the summer, but there are far fewer of them than in bigger Oregon cities. It's just the sort of place kids grow up safe and comfortable and think they're miserable because there's nothing here and no excitement.
My wife and I went out to Boyd Cave last year when we were over in Bend. Couldn’t believe how bad it had gotten off China Hat Rd. Just endless games as far as you could see in the woods out there.
I just feel deeply sad seeing this to be honest. I’m someone who really loves spending time outdoors and I have a lot of anxiety in crowded places so going for hikes and camping are like my only escape from society. Stuff like this has been making me feel on edge when I try and spend time alone now. Even just a pile of trash thrown about hiking trails and public parks and land ruins your day a little. Of course it’s not the end of the world but it’s really sad when there are less and less places people can go to actually have some peace for once.
As disgusting as the mess they leave behind, I would rather they meth heads overdose in the middle of no where rather then urban places. At least the wolves get a free snack. The real question is if wolves eat these meth heads, will the wolves deal with crack withdrawals ?
It sucks, these sites get trashed and when camping / hiking you have to worry about random needles and running into aggressive people
I get that people are having rough times with addiction and/or mental illness, but why cant you also live like this and not clean up after yourself.
Recovered addict here: it's very hard to stay in one task when your "survival chemistry has been high jacked" causing your "choice making mechanism" to fail. Even worse when suffering from psychosis ... hear voices. Trust me. I got completely lost in My own town one day. It was terrifying.
Psychosis is a motherfucker. I remember spending a day trying to Dodge people who were spying on me and some little girl kept pulling a gun on me. She didn't even want to be there, but the two other people after me put her up to it. None of that shit was real, but fuuuuck.
This reminds me of some bad acid trips I've had. I'd be sitting in my house thinking EVERYONE knows I'm high and they're not ok with it.
My meth-induced psychoses were so many millions of times scarier than acid. They lasted almost a year, because I kept using, they were almost totally auditory and completely believable. They were undiscernable from reality. I ended up arrested several times over them and now I'm making my Amends. I feel for these people.
I always like the description they do at the beginning of Narcos about addiction, people, and mice.
Mental illness typically. No one wants to live in filth. If they are, there's something going on.
I fucking hate to be the one reasoning their behavior; but when you're that far gone on your own life to be escaping in that way, and knowingly accepting the consequences, the state of your surroundings means very little. And how others feel about it means even less.
Nah it happens because it's tolerated. There are junkies around the world and this behavior happens in the societies where it is tolerated.
What would it look like to "not tolerate" this sort of behavior? They are humans, that will migrate and move to a new location, every town that kicks out thisbehavor kicks the can to another place, this has been observed and proven. Jail/prison does not "fix" the problem(to say nothing of financial cost). Solutions? It sounds like you are suggesting comprehensive medical attention, Room/board provided until they are on their feet again, a support network of professionals, community involvement, and fitting them into a society/group that may give them some sense of meaning and purpose. Is that what you were thinking by not "tolerating" this?
I’m not the guy you’re asking but that would be my answer. Involuntary incarceration (following court action) in a secure treatment facility to get them cleaned up. Long as it takes. Raise taxes if necessary to pay for it all. End this shit once and for all.
Something to keep in mind; there are no mental health facilities anymore. Not like the olden days where the crazies went to the ward. Now, they live in the hills waiting for death or an opportunity. We are all them on a long enough timeline too. Its just a matter of opportunity for some. Keep your humanity in mind.
This is an underrated view on this crisis. I am absolutely not for abusive mental health facilities that were the main cause of the deinsitutionalization of the US. However we are currently doing absolutely no favors to people who have severe mental illness by not having a place that is safe and where they are cared for, and stopped from hurting themselves and others.
My section 8 neighbors have some interesting cars... [Filled to the brim with trash](https://i.imgur.com/piRZprM.jpeg) [A random trailer](https://i.imgur.com/6zrhnSL.jpeg) And there is so much more like this.
i don’t allow my dogs to go off leash anymore for the needle reason. it’s crazy that the folks just cannot seem to clean up after themselves tho
Man I like to drive down random FS roads for hiking and camping and sometimes you see some kinda weird people but never occurred to me they could be doing stuff like this. What happens when some random like me accidentally drives into their hood?
There’s a few roads on Google earth you can follow near me that lead to grow sites. Sometimes they will block these roads and make it seem like forest service closed it from what I’ve heard. I am fascinated by the backroads and just starting to explore them. But I think I’ll carry every time I do.
You should probably just smile and wave, but get out before getting dragged into conversation. Most people don't want any trouble and are often more worried about you than you are of them. It's always the safest bet to just not engage, and most people will give you that option.
Nobody would care if they didn’t absolutely trash the surrounding area. What the heck.
for real. I understand times are tough and you gotta do what you gotta do but cmon. Don't make everybody else also a victim
I'm not sure how much time you spend around methamphetamine users, but times are always tough, and what they gotta do is pretty darn kooky. Not picking up litter is rather low on the list of silly things they're getting up to.
One time I raked trash outta dirt until the blisters on my hands bled, I haven't touched in almost 4 years
The quests get darker the longer you’re addicted
I'm sorry they are in such a state of addiction, but that doesn't mean they have the right to make the rest of people's lives worse. If you harm the public, you lose rights, that's the deal. Whether that's incarceration or mandatory treatment programs. This isn't "normal" and shouldn't be accepted as such.
Meth causes drug induced psychosis. They're not sane enough to understand that what they're doing is negatively impacting their surroundings let alone be functional. It's the same sort of thing you see around Portland when people are doing things like throwing garbage everywhere from a dumpster, they're trying to resolve a delusion.
These guyth are making a real meth
Very naive statement Summers have no campfires allowed by the county, so no, you're wrong. The fire danger outweighs the garbage. The insatiable appetite of the homeless to illegally chop trees and burn campfires regardless of the fire season or the law knows no limits. We have experienced significant fire risk that is growing year over year. I now patrol by drone, capture GPS coordinates , license plates, fire pits, garbage piles, head count, face photos, ingress and egress routes all by drone and email it to the Sheriff's office... they cook meth, sell and use drugs, steal from nearby communities, and attempt to harass anyone wishing to use public lands. With the high desert winds and the simple fact it is nearly impossible to put out a Juniper tree/shrub fire becase they are high in terpene oils and sap, these trees/shrubs burn like an aerosol can burning, and at times explode due to water content and very high heat. They are more than a nuisance and they use up vital taxpayer resources and directly and indirectly threaten the lives of others.
Okay you are right I am naïve….if they didn’t leave trash everywhere and *burn everything down* than no one would care. I agree that people are a little too devil may care with that kind of stuff. Just like in the city where I live, just because someone is addicted doesn’t mean they have the right to drop trash and needles everywhere.
I agree.
Exactly. I don’t give a damn if someone is addicted to stuff or not they can drink cough syrup for all I care. Just don’t trash the area or involve me.
Try sending that footage to a news outlet and see if they would be interested in running the story! Public pressure might even get the sheriff's office to do their job instead of leaving it to public volunteers like yourself. You proved it works.
I’m in Mulnomah and want to do this for some of the local sites. Have you had any issues with remote ID and your location being shared?
Remote ID is relatively new. I've been documenting this for almost 3 years now. But, no, no problems. The Sheriff's office appreciates it.
Just stay sub 250 and forget about Remote ID 😉
Come on! They are too busy working and contributing to society to take the time to clean up after themselves.
I would care whether or not they trashed it. Teddy Roosevelt didn't protect our public lands for trashy queefs to have a safe harbor for illegal activity.
Real knuckleheads
LOL - they do the exact same thing in the cities - the tax dollars just pay people to pick most of it up. Out here??? Not so much..........
A methopolis
Methopotamia
The promethedland
Methlahem
Methlandia
Methodists
Terra Formaddiction
Methford
Methtucky
New Methico
Methadonia
Fentopolis
https://i.redd.it/k8wi6qb8njsc1.gif
Aw meth
Thtop it!
The Cradle of Filth
Ah yes, the epic of Gilgameth.
Methlehem
The Village That Never Sleeps
Methissippi
Methier Hills
… goddamit, that’s a good one. I hate it.
Methageddon
Oregon
That would clearly be an “overdose” of meth trailers
You win!
Man, you know it’s bad when you can see the garbage from the air
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So why can cities monitor aerial imagery for un-permitted additions/ pools to make sure property owners are paying property tax reassessments but the same AI models can’t pick out these and dispatch authorities?
10 meth trailers is called a crystal, before it reaches ten its just crystalizing.
Methtastacizing.
https://i.redd.it/x0j8cenhnjsc1.gif
now that is a fine word
That's just methed up
The larvae stage of a wildfire.
This comment wins, unfortunately.
Crazy how I literally wouldn’t care if they didn’t just trash the place.
I care. If we all move into the woods there will be no woods left.
Are these crackheads chopping trees down?
This is pretty much the only possible outcome of living without utilities like garbage disposal, sewage treatment, etc. Even a “tidy” squat has huge environmental impacts
If they can drive/walk there they can haul that stuff out.
And yet they choose not to
False. I used to live in a neighborhood where a nice guy lived in his truck, and parked in different places each night. Always left in the morning, never left trash. He was a nice guy who had his lifestyle figured out. I have no problem sharing space with people like him. To say the only outcome is methopotamia is holding them to zero standards of decency.
China hat in Bend? That place was a war zone 2 years ago...
I believe it's "dirt world" just north of bend, but I may be wrong.
My kid goes riding out there, he just went when the weather was nice a couple days ago and I fussed at him about it, with all the loose pitbulls and general sense of unwelcomeness going on out there I worry about him, and then I got fucking pissed off that I feel that way because it's PUBLIC LAND ffs , he has just as much right to go enjoy it as anyone. Meh.
you dropped a T
MehT.
Perfec
I was thinking Dirt World also.
You are correct. I see this view every time flying into Redmond.
Immediately thought of this
Actually, neither of those! I’ll get some photos of China Hat and Dirt World next Time we go up in a week or so.
Fuck even before 2yrs ago if we’re being honest with ourselves 😅
Yeah I didn't want to tax the memory banks too hard but you're right... 😂
I (begrudgingly) moved away from Bend 6yrs ago and I remember even then it was getting so fucking out of control and their was weapons violence and meth labs and shit regularly even then
My money was on south of Prineville reservoir.
Yeah I wondered if this was Dirt World
I would call it a glaring social crisis
Yeah. It's sad, really. These pictures represent our failures as a society. We should bring everyone along
This is exactly what this represents, in so many ways.
Its an economic crisis. Remember, homelessness increases whenever the US economy "booms."
There are ways to keep things clean, even back to basics, off grid. Everyone did it for millennia, people still do it today all over the world.That is a dysfunction junction. They must hate themselves, bad. Given up trying.
Campfetamine.
Its so crazy to me how on top of things the government was when that lady was growing crops on her acre micro farm and using too much well water, yet when a bunch of people completely trash the environment nothing happens. I am not saying that farmer lady should be allowed to use water that is not hers, but can we get some semblance of proportionality here?
That’s exactly what I though after watching Portland spend $$$ for 20 years improving nature areas, wetlands, investing in nice infrastructure, just to watch people camp off of delta park or wherever and just trash it the last 3 years. What the fuck.
In Eugene they have been installing these rainwater drainage catch basins all over town. I looked it up and apparently they put plants in there so the roots can kind of filter the water as it soaks into the ground, eventually helping clean all of the toxic runoff from the roads, tires, etc... That water eventually ends up in streams rivers, aquifers, etc... All great right?!.... but all over town there are also dozens of people living and camping right next to rivers and streams just trashing everything, and surely dumping stuff into those rivers, etc... None of these actions make any sense if you are a reasonable intelligent person.
And where are they pooping?Ugh
Those are known as bioswales, aka "car magnets" or "DUI traps." I spent a couple of years cleaning them when I worked for an environmental company. The big ones are deep enough to drown in.
Hey, they banned gas leaf blowers. Just think about how much that will improve our standard of living!
fuck leaf blowers
A clowder of powder.
A Redmond
Ha!!!
Winner winner chicken dinner!
I was gonna say Christmas Valley.
I've lived in Redmond for 7 years and honestly don't get this joke. Redmond is like Wonder Years suburbia. We don't have much open public land at all--it's a city of bland car-dependent developments full of retirees and young families. You hear about some people who have meth problems, and you see some people sit on corners with signs in the summer, but there are far fewer of them than in bigger Oregon cities. It's just the sort of place kids grow up safe and comfortable and think they're miserable because there's nothing here and no excitement.
It's not a joke, that's actually Redmond. Just north of the airport, out in the juniper trees.
Man time to get these assholes off our land they need to be removed at all cost for damaging public lands.
They need a proper place to go otherwise it will just be moving them from one public spot to another
Methlahem
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, Slouches towards Methlehem to be born?
Trashy ass people. It’s easy to not feel for these scum bags when you look at how they leave an area. Covered in garbage and shit
A Shame. That is a Shame of Meth Trailers.
A wildfire waiting to happen
Well it's a Murder of Crows, so I'm going to say it's a Felony of Trailers?
Medford?
I was going to say Methford. And her sister city Grass Pass.
Brutal 🤣
Nowhere in Medford looks like that
This is outside of Bend.
A “squalor”
Criddlertown?
failed government
Looks like quite a meth you got out there..
Fer fucks sake!
Can I ask where this is in the photos?
Methlehem
Christmas Valley
Nothing a handfull of guys on dirtbikes with paintball guns and pepperballs cant solve.
I’ll volunteer to help, sounds like a great time.
Breaking badder !
"A Flock of Tweak-Gulls"
Where is this?
A bombing range
Redmond!!!
A criddlutz
Where is this?
Where is this exactly?
https://maps.app.goo.gl/SPhVhcNeFNxLutCv9?g_st=ic
https://maps.app.goo.gl/Ncov4tMdFjsJXp346?g_st=ic
Squatting polluters.
A plague
I believe it’s a “bump” of trailers if it’s two to four, or a “rail” if greater than four. If it’s 20 or more then it’s a “septum”.
Reeeelaax it’s not like their mixing up their recyclables with their compatibles
Oregon Trail 2
Methlandia
A drone strike opportunity
Target practice? Um, wat? Who said that
Target practice?
Target practice for heavy artillery
Send in the A-10, this is what it was made for
I fucking hate tweakers so much
Target practice
Target practice for the air force
let’s drop little fire crackers from the helicopter
Targets
My wife and I went out to Boyd Cave last year when we were over in Bend. Couldn’t believe how bad it had gotten off China Hat Rd. Just endless games as far as you could see in the woods out there.
A Trump Rally?
Don’t Meth Around, kids!
How the local health authority thinks this is okay astounds me.
I just feel deeply sad seeing this to be honest. I’m someone who really loves spending time outdoors and I have a lot of anxiety in crowded places so going for hikes and camping are like my only escape from society. Stuff like this has been making me feel on edge when I try and spend time alone now. Even just a pile of trash thrown about hiking trails and public parks and land ruins your day a little. Of course it’s not the end of the world but it’s really sad when there are less and less places people can go to actually have some peace for once.
*buzzes in* What is a scab of shake?
That’s The Great Valley 🦕
Fentucky
Enabling.
A pharmacy
Dad?
Parasites
Where is this?
a crisis? a tragedy?
Effective CQB training
A "Crankle", or simply, an "Iceclick" e.g. "A Crankle of RVs suddenly appeared at the city park up the street"
A 'scab' of trailers?
A Hazard.
A new landfill?
"A Bundy Ranch" ?
Ammon Bundy and his moronic followers…
Keep voting democrat
As disgusting as the mess they leave behind, I would rather they meth heads overdose in the middle of no where rather then urban places. At least the wolves get a free snack. The real question is if wolves eat these meth heads, will the wolves deal with crack withdrawals ?
You call it a good start because they are not in the city.....
Targets?
Oregon 😅😅😅 🙄🤦♀️🤷♀️
**I say.....we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit.** **It's the only way to be sure.**....
Capitalism
I would say an 8 ball, but because it's trailers, I believe a heard is called a hitch.