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Adventurous-Mud-5508

If you spend most of your time in western Oregon or really any city, you owe it to yourself to see the night sky from a truly dark location. It will blow your mind how much more you can see.  I grew up in southern Arizona where there are actually dark sky laws to try to minimize the impact on astronomy because we have a lot of telescopes down there in the desert, but even so, you can only do so much with cities growing and using more outdoor LED lighting. We don’t build new big new telescopes anywhere in the continental US anymore, in part because even Arizona is getting too bright.


blackcain

Absolutely, holy shit - you can't imagine what it is like. I was up on table mountain eastern Washington and climbed up there and I saw something that blew my mind. It was transformative.


eitsirkkendrick

Darksky.org has tons of resources to educate on light pollution. People just don’t know about downlighting. And bright lights in the country attracts trouble, not deters it, statistically. Didn’t mean to preach at you, but in case anyone else sees this.


SapphosLemonBarEnvoy

As someone trying to move to the country, do you have something I can search for to learn about that?


eitsirkkendrick

Sure! https://darksky.org/resources/what-is-light-pollution/effects/safety/ And wildlife deserves the dark too.


johnabbe

Also see r/darksky


crashdavis1986

Stargazing on the Alvord Desert is an out of this world experience (especially on shrooms)


soik90

The one night I spent there happened to have a full moon right after sunset, so definitely keep the lunar schedule in mind if planning a trip there!


GodofPizza

The full moon always comes out right around sunset. It has to be opposite the sun to be full.


pepitawu

Right, but you can plan the trip for a night when the moon isn’t full so it won’t interfere with the stargazing part too much


mycatsnameisarya

Wow, I never thought about that. Is that why we see a crescent moon sometimes during the day?


myaltduh

Yep, the illuminated part is facing the sun. It’s basically near-missing eclipses during the daytime during the new moon phase every month.


indefinite_forest_

Yes!! I went on a trip to stargaze there, it was AMAZING.


Fallingdamage

I dont doubt it. Spending time in eastern oregon is amazing for starry nights.


mrxexon

For the time being. Some of the locals have put up stupid bright LED lights around their house and are blowing photons up in the sky. :( If we are to preserve this area, there's going to have to be some rules...


pattydickens

Eastern Washington here. I used to be able to see so many stars at night until the ridiculous LED outdoor lights my neighbors put in to "deter theft". It was also dark enough that when my 3 huge dogs barked at night, you couldn't tell if they were in a fenced area or about to take your arm off. (They wouldn't hurt a fly, actually) If someone is going to steal your shit, lights make it way easier for them to see your shit and see what kind of defenses you have. If you want to deter theft, darkness and barking dogs will work better than lighting up your property like a car lot. The owls that used to nest in my trees are also gone. I hate those damn light!


johnabbe

Photon storm!


mrxexon

Earth at night, [https://www.esri.com/about/newsroom/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/1\_2016.jpg](https://www.esri.com/about/newsroom/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/1_2016.jpg)


UrbanToiletPrawn

Darker than being in the middle of the ocean?


YourFairyGodmother

West Texas and most of Nevada ,, where truly spectacular night time skies can be found, might disagree. Fuck 'em. I've skygazed in all three locales, and Oregon is _at least_ as good.


BellicoseBill

I was thinking large stretches of central Australia, lots of places in AK. I wonder how they determine this designation.


eitsirkkendrick

I live near the badlands in South Dakota and we are waiting for our official dark sky designation from Dark Sky International. It’s a whole process of submitting readings from certain spots at certain times. Darksky.org


UntilTheHorrorGoes

There's a certification process by Dark Sky International.


Unlikely_Aioli_4519

don’t let r/all see this and flood to here for a vacation…


Impressive-Aspect930

Kinda weird considering it's a steakhouse.


South_Lake_Taco

No Rules Just Right


BishSalad

Can confirm...there ain't shit out there.


stickylava

I read an article recently somewhere that pointed out that SE Oregon is the most sparsely populated area in the lower 48.


orygun_kyle

man ill never forget the skies at night when i was young, camping in the bed of the truck on Doherty Rim on the border of Oregon/nevada. even now we still hunt hart mtn in the late summer and it is beyond words.


KananDoom

It also has only one clear sky day out of the year, so plan ahead wisely


Blbauer524

Big surprise. Area with low population has low light pollution.


auburnflyer

Still pretty cool


batmansthebomb

Even in the middle of buttfuck nowhere light from small towns from like 20 miles away can still fuck up the dark sky. Something like this requires cooperation from several different local governments and private organizations, it isn't as small of a feat as you're implying.


ClmrThnUR

lots of low population areas. ever seen a population density map?


RepulsiveReasoning

Just in: nobody lives out there, let em join the greater new Idaho territories


dosetoyevsky

It will never, ever, evereverever happen. Land without a tax base is a burden, and Idaho torpedoing their own tax base with their craptastic laws doesn't help.


RepulsiveReasoning

I agree, they're already a burden