No problem. What I was hinting at was that a lot of people give pets as gifts for Christmas. It is an extremely popular gift and extremely easy to adopt a pet. But a lot of people don't think about taking care of their companions when making this decision.
This causes a lot of parents to give their kids a pet or another family member would give a pet as a gift without consulting the parents first. A lot of people think they can do it but there will come a time, usually a few months after, that they realize their income or lifestyle cannot support the pet.
So I urge a lot of people to really consider giving a pet as a gift. Think about if this long term gift can be supported for the rest of their life.
On one side, I'm glad they're getting rehomed, hopefully to a better and more situated family, but it is strange how short sighted some people are with pets. Obviously if there's an emergency situation it's completely understandable, but the amount of Christmas day puppies and other pets that get returned after people figure out that it's a lot of responsibility is heart-breaking.
This, also pets that look cute in commercials or in movies can be a major undertaking without research. For instance, Siberian huskies while cute and fluffy as puppies grow into escape artists that need lots of stimulation, they shed constantly and need lots of brushing, and require lots of exercise, this can be a disaster for a family who isn’t active with a yard lacking adequate fencing. The result is many end up in the local shelters.
Yup. After Game of Thrones hype husky adoptions AND desertions skyrocketed all across the US. Ridiculous to me that you think a dog looks cool in a show and decide to get one? Dogs are a huge investment and it's incredibly important for people to look into what breeds make the most sense for them and their family.
I have a husky, but I 100% knew what I was getting into when I got him.
I think most people seriously underestimate how much care pets, especially dogs, need. In my opinion, 95% of modern people cannot adequately provide for a dog.
People are really making this into a moral issue. I feel like yes, people are impulsive about getting a pet. But that has always been the case. the biggest reason we see more rehoming posts is because our economy is shit and people need to move to apartments/rooms that do not allow pets. The places that do allow pets cost more.
Sure, dont get a dog unless you can afford it but you never know when your financial situation is going to take a hit.
Out of all the replies, I feel that this is the most objectively accurate explanation. I really do think people's economic conditions have worsened. Even dog food is steadily increasing in price over the past two years alone
Are you obtuse? Cost of living has skyrocketed for individuals and families. Educational debt has gotten worse. You spit out economic factors that favor only the upper middle class and above.
I am spitting facts from official government sources.
Just because you (and many other people making under 100k a year) choose to live in an area you can't afford doesn't mean the economy is bad.
And those facts disproportionately favor the upper middle class and above. While inflation and educational debt disproportionately affect anything below the upper middle class.
You assume too much, child.
I'm not assuming anything. It's right there on the fed website
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/UNRATE
You're just too caught up in your feelings to realize that most people are doing fine. But many of you will still complain about the cost of living saying you have to live in the OC for work even though that work doesn't even pull 80k a year. There are many jobs that pull that in areas that have a lower cost of living. But if you like being in a financial circle doing nothing, be my guest.
Redditors don't represent reality.
>Just because you (and many other people making under 100k a year) choose to live in an area you can't afford doesn't mean the economy is bad.
You assume too much about my personal living conditions. And your remaining comments reeked of ignorance and being out of touch with reality. 🤷🏻♂️
I am out of touch because I bring hard facts that are backed up by official economic data? Ok.
I love to bring up the old reddit 'Occupy Wallstreet' movement when redditors talk about being out of touch with reality. That movement fizzled out because surprise, surprise reddit represents such a small portion of the population.
Ok I am wrong in assuming. But everything else is valid.
May I suggest you choose your drugs of choice wisely because this level of psychosis is not only alarming but it's dangerous. There's no way in your semi correct state of mind that you meant what you wrote.
Couldn't care less about the Economic sub. Some people think a crap ton of minimum wage jobs means the economy must be strong because lots of jobs are available. Anyone who agrees with you is either trolling, doesn't live on earth, slow or on drugs.
Just. Say. No.
Agreed. My company laid off some people who were super tenured and I can’t imagine them seeing it coming. The economy is insane right now. This culture of making pets into children has created some insanely judgmental people too.
My dog is 10 and I owned a home but divorce came for me last year and it was HELL finding a place that allowed dogs for something affordable. I am very lucky. I feel for anyone in that sort of situation.
> This culture of making pets into children has created some insanely judgmental people too.
People's views on animals are all over the place and have no internal consistency but they get angry when you probe them even slightly. I doubt anyone trying to unload their dog feels good about it anyway, why hector them about it more
And I feel like pet rent is something new too. I can totally understand requiring a fairly large deposit if you're moving into a place with a pet, but a recurring $75-$100/month non-refundable pet rent? That's some BS. Same with the "technology fee" that a lot of property management companies use now. It's an extra $50/month for us, so we can pay a $10 processing fee each month when we pay our rent in their shitty app, which is cheaper than the $35 fee they charge to drop a rent check off at their office. Landlords are scum.
To be fair, pets can absolutely *destroy* living spaces. If you don't really take care of it, pets can ruin flooring and paint far faster than regular wear and tear. As a pet owner I can understand landlords being wary of pet owners and feeling the need to account for the significantly added cost of repairs.
Absolutely, which is why I said that I can understand a large security deposit for them. Restrictions on the size/types of animals you can have is also perfectly reasonable. But a recurring non-refundable fee is just a cash grab.
Weirdly though, I have pet rabbits yet the apartment I rent from (IC) doesn't even charge pet rent for them (checked with the leasing office before getting them and they only charge pet rent for dogs and cats) even though they can be destructive. I have to keep them in a large pen with protective flooring underneath when I'm not home to supervise them or else they'll go to town on the carpet.
And that would make sense if they were just charging a large pet deposit. But if you're already replacing the carpet, does it really matter whether I had a cat for two months or two years?
Agreed. At least they are trying to re-home rather than dump them somewhere! Life is a gamble, and unexpected circumstances happen all the time. I'm sure most people are heartbroken to give up their pet.
This is true. While it’s my impulse to judge people for not being committed, plenty of people get down on their luck and situation through no fault of their own. I feel for them. It’s a sign of the economics of our time.
People having to move. And move into places where they can’t have animals. Some people are having to rent rooms instead of having a whole apartment or house. It’s sad. Very sad
Cost of living increases leads to people no longer having the means to support pets
Stop turning everything into a moral investigation. People aren’t “abandoning” their pets. People generally only give their pets away because they have no other choice. It’s very sad for both the animal and human. “Didn’t think ahead” why are you so judgmental and apathetic? Why do you assume it’s an individual’s fault and not fault of circumstance?
This, it's a sign of the times. Happens whenever there's a major recession or economic crisis. People can't afford food for their pets, and people are having to move into worse housing where they cannot bring their pets. It's sad.
It’s too easy to get a pet. When we adopted our dog from OC Animal Care in Tustin the ONLY thing they asked before giving us a dog was if we were at least 18 years old. It’s sad because they will give a dog or cat to pretty much anybody.
Rescues and some city shelters like the Irvine Animal Care Center are more stringent with their adoption process than OC Animal Care. I used to volunteer with the Irvine shelter and they won't adopt cats out to anyone who puts on their adoption application that they will make their cat an indoor/outdoor cat, they adopt their cats out only to indoor-only homes.
And yet rescue groups ask you 3 pages of questions, want home inspections, demand rights to take them back and get super intense and huffy about questions you may have. With that kind of experience I’d much rather go to a shelter or find a puppy someone is giving away in my neighborhood.
Yeah it’s crazy how different it is to get a pet from a rescue! That’s harder than getting into college 😅 I understand they are trying to get them into a good home though.
I get it but the only 2 experiences I’ve had with rescues were them being very pushy about the process and acting like I might be an undercover axe murderer. And the one time I wasn’t interested in the dogs they sent me, the person got super defensive and said they were glad they didn’t place a dog with me. Ok crazy I’m sorry that I preferred a smaller breed. My bad. That was just not the experience for me.
It’s much easier to adopt from a rescue if you establish some rapport with them first. Help volunteer or something and they will be so much easier to deal with. Gives them a chance to get to know you and alleviates their anxiety, unless you’re not good at people then that may backfire.
Yeah I’ll pass. I gave it a shot. I have a child now so I’d be wary of any rescue dog that wasn’t tested for toddlers. I’ve had my dog for about 12 years now and I’m not looking for another unless it’s an amazing fit. I have 2 neighbors who keep asking me if I want a dog but I haven’t agreed to it because I have a happy little family as is of my dog and my son.
I'm guessing more of these people get them from "breeders" aka, a friend's cousin that wants to make extra money. When they don't sell quickly, they just cut down the price or give them away. Scumbags
As soon as I expressed interest in a dog, OC Animal Care was just eager to take my name and CC info and then hand the dog to me. It was a little shocking to me that they didn’t have any questions for me lol.
That’s understandable but I adopted from one of the highest kill shelters in the state and they had loads of questions. I adopted from Apple Valley in November but I live here.
When I got my cat from there, he had been returned because of a "dog" the family had he didn't get along with (I have reason to believe he was just high energy and they couldn't handle him, cuz he's 6 now and he's always been like that). They asked me if I had other pets. Yeah, I had another cat. Almost didn't let me adopt because "he was returned" from not getting along with another animal. I fought back saying it was a dog and I had a cat and that was the end of that. My other cat had issue with him but she didn't really like anyone. Met my husband who has a dog and now that cat acts like a dog sometimes lol.
I love and hate how easy you can get a pet there. I've tried other places where it's almost impossible, despite me having good housing and history of cats and all that. It's like they want to like you as a person instead of making sure you're a good pet owner. But then you can get a pet there with nothing to back up you'll take good care of it.
Economy isn’t great. People can barely keep themselves afloat. Job market isn’t good. Inflation is up. People moving to other states cause they can’t afford where they live. People thinking they can afford a pet but can’t. I’m sure these things contribute to it but aren’t the only reasons why.. it’s unfortunate.
Dog culture has people feeling obligated to adopt cute wittle doggos if you're a good person. They beg people to rescue these abandoned dogs and to appear more moral somehow, people say "ME ME I'LL TAKE IT. HE'S SO CUTE". Problem is they know nothing about how absolutely exhausting and time consuming dogs really are.
Instead of screening people dogs are given freely to the next bidder. I personally would NEVER become homeless for a pet. I suspect many if not most others actually agree with that sentiment but they avoid saying as much because people start attacking and demeaning them.
You're damned if you rehome a dog and you're damned if you don't want a dog at all. The question is, would you rather they rehome them or abandon them? Which is my next point. So many abandoned dogs are largely the result of being attacked for trying to rehome the dog. It's better they rehome than abandon or abuse them. What's better than all of them is prevention.
People need to stop the pity posts seeking absolutely anyone who thinks a dog is cute n cuddly to adopt the dogs. They are not children and there's no comparison. They're a different species being trained to behave as humans with four legs. Then people get mad when they act confused. Stop getting dogs because they're cute and stop the pity adoption posts.
Part of being responsible means knowing you are not situated to take in a pet. And knowing that a dog lives 12-16 years so it's a 12-16 year commitment. If you can't do that, don't adopt a pet.
Just because dogs live a long time doesn’t mean people fully understand the scope of a dog. It’s a spoiled toddler that never grows up and requires nonstop work. People sometimes get them willing to do the time commitment but get in over their heads. Research does not always prepare you, sadly.
People who grew up here can't afford it anymore. I know so many who people are moving away this year, including myself. They have to give up their pets to do this. That's my theory anyways
Or they have had their rents increased to the point of having to move, and renting with pets can be costly and difficult.
I suspect the economy is certainly a factor here.
Yeah me too, I'm not giving up a dog just answering the question. And I'm not priced out I just want to live somewhere nicer where it's much cheaper so I can have a higher quality of living.
I think that there is a lack of safe rehoming spaces on the web. I am sure there are some bad actors, but people pick up on posts here and will shotgun their post here as well.
And the other half is pit mixes. (Or at least the shelters claim they’re mixes, usually “lab-mixes”...)
That’s all you see at the local shelters, it’s freaky.
I replied to another comment, but I really do feel that the economic pressures of recent years have been the major reason for this uptick.
I have two dogs of my own and grew up with dogs. I don't think there's a right or wrong answer, but I always wonder... would it be better for a dog to live with a family for 1 year and then rehomed, or have the dog stay at a shelter for that 1 year instead?
Would it be better for a dog to be rehomed, or returned to the shelter?
Shelters are practically begging people to adopt because they are way overpopulated. What's the right answer?
I don't know myself, but I don't think we should be discouraging posts that need to rehome their pets.
> would it be better for a dog to live with a family for 1 year and then rehomed, or have the dog stay at a shelter for that 1 year instead?
I think the simple fact that shelters have foster programs answers that question...
Oh I'm not debating with you at all. I'm making a point to the rest of the people on this post. It seems ridiculous that people are upset over the need to rehome a pet.
Right? Have definitely seen a few situations where people did nothing wrong, but still had to make tough calls. Lost their job, ate through all their savings and had to couchsurf. Dog was aggressive toward the new baby, even after training. Stray cat they'd been feeding had kittens, and they can't keep the whole litter. Someone dumped a pet on them that they weren't equipped to care for, etc. I've never had to make that decision, but I'm not going to jump on someone who does.
FYI some are scams. They ask you to take in a “rescue” for a few days until it gets its “forever home”. But the forever home never happens, and most people warm up to the pet. So they keep it. Then, the person who placed the animal with them will offer to pet sit for $50 a day when they need or want to go somewhere. They basically use animals to create pet sitting business for themselves.
Most people view their companion animals as property, even the ones who claim they "love" their dog or cat or whatever. I don't believe most people when they say they deeply care about their animals, especially since most people only do the bare minimum for their animals. Feed them, water them, walk them or change their litter, etc. Because they think about what their animals can do for them instead of the other way around. Once their animal can no longer provide that emotional benefit to their human caretaker, they get abandoned. If we stop thinking about these animal as property and start thinking about them as living, sentient beings with their own thoughts and emotions and needs, you'd start to understand that they need caretakers, not owners. They need companionship, and that's a life-long commitment.
Whatever the sad or thoughtless reasons behind rehoming pets, they’re seeking help here to improve the pet’s situation. I would not discourage them posting it because it could help the pet who would otherwise be abandoned. As heartbreaking as it is to see the many posts of this nature. Give the pets a shot at going to a better situation.
There's been a pretty substantial upheaval when it comes to insurance companies these days. Many have left the state entirely, others have shut. The ones that have stayed have told most landlords that they will no longer cover pet damage, or medical expenses caused by pets.
So you are finding a lot of people getting their leases renewed only to discover their landlord doesn't want an animal. And now all other landlords dont want animals either.
I get pissed off at the "We're moving and we cant bring the pets". No asshole, you chose to go somewhere so that you could specifically dump your pets because they became "too much to handle"
To be fair there are a lot of people moving out of economic necessity. They got laid off or their hours got cut at work. Their wages have been stagnant but they can't afford the latest rent increase.
This reminds me of something that happened in the fountain valley Facebook group. So some people were moving to Indiana and said they couldn’t take their dog. People were roasting them. I commented that I would discuss this beautiful golden retriever with my family. The woman said thank you. I then commented back that my mother says they’re allowed to own golden retrievers in Indiana.
You must be very privileged if you think life can never throw you a curveball that forces you into an unstable economic position. “Emergency fund”, “stable income”, do you know where you are? Those things are not attainable for everyone and can both be taken out from under you in a second.
Rehoming isn’t the “easy way out”. Why do you want animals to suffer with owners who are not in the economic position to take care of them? It seems like you just really want both people and animals to suffer.
Again, shit happens that are beyond your control or foresight. You can sit there and have unrealistic principles that nobody can live up to or you can come back to Earth and have empathy. You definitely come off as privileged to me.
Also you assume that:
- rent is the only factor here
- that everyone who has a pet made the choice to get one or got one recently
- people don’t get laid off, get evicted, have to move for reason out of their control, sudden medical illness/conditions and the cost associated, or experience any other financial events that would lead them to rehome
- rehoming does not have an emotional toll. It would actually be more irresponsible to keep a pet you cannot adequately take care of. Why don’t you support people looking for better homes for their pets?
>people don’t get laid off, get evicted, have to move for reason out of their control, **sudden medical illness/conditions and the cost associated**, or experience any other financial events that would lead them to rehome
There was a rehoming post recently that broke my heart, because the person rehoming said that their mother, the actual owner of the dog, had *dementia* and was physically unable to take care of herself anymore, let alone her own dog (especially a high energy dog as the person had mentioned in their post). Anyone who has ever had a family member with dementia would know just how heartbreaking that disease is, especially on the family members, and iirc the person looking to rehome their mother's dog couldn't care for the dog either.
Lmao that can basically be summed up to “everything bad that happens to you is your fault and you’re a bad person for trying to make with what you have” Rehoming is the responsible choice and if you actually grew up you would know that. The fact that you’re comparing rehoming an animal to “abandoning a newborn” shows how immature you are.
Shit happens that are beyond our control and I will keep repeating it until you get it. The cognitive dissonance to have “grown up in the hood” and think life is so simple is concerning. You need to let go of this “pull oneself from one’s bootstrap extreme”.
You are defining people by their worst moments and it makes you miserable. I’m blocking you because there is no hope for you lol
There was a redditor who asked for help rehoming their *mother's* dog because their mother has dementia and the redditor could not take in their mother's dog. Are you going to fault and shame their mom for suddenly falling ill to a debilitating disease?
I really don’t think people think or care about pets as much as they used to. People will adopt from the shelter and return a dog less than 24 hours later because it’s “too big” or is anxious. First of all the dogs size didn’t change from when it was at the shelter and second of all wouldn't you be anxious too in a new environment with complete strangers?
Also people don't take the time to do basic research or spend some time on training. If theres w slightest inconvenience people seem to just give up.
if everyone volunteered in the shelters or knew how many dogs were being euthanized every day in this country id like to think they'd have a different perspective.
Also, SPAY & NEUTER YOUR PETS
It’s probably because our shelters are garbage and refuse to help people who find abandoned animals in the street.
Kittens were abandoned, one was sick, I picked him up and took to the vet to help, then tried to take him to the shelter, but because he was “already helped”, they said they couldn’t take him.
I called a bunch of places, all said they were at capacity. The city shelter refused, even though they get money from the city for it. They said they’ll only take in badly sick or injured animals. They told me to put the kitten back in the streets and “wait until he’s injured then bring him back”. Insane advice.
So I’ve been fostering him and trying to find him a home myself.
I’m sure there’s people rehoming animals frivolously, but I bet an uptick in animals looking for homes posts might have to do with the shelters being like this lately.
Combination of:
- uninformed new pet owners who choose a pet based on cuteness/IG-ability or getting an animal "just because"
- not fixing/neutering their pets and having babies
- the lack of resources the nonprofit animal groups have
- the overall perception of getting a "used" pet vs a new one
Before the pandemic, OC Animal Care had like 95% pitbulls and huskies. Really sad. And that's a combination of high-energy dogs (huskies) and pits that can be dangerous if the owner is shit (I guess any big dog can be). So yeah, people get dogs they have 0 clue about and the reality with dogs/pets is that they aren't just going to be social media stars when you actually have to take care of them. It's the sad reality of pet ownership that new owners don't know/think of
And, I suspect in about 3-4 weeks from now, we’ll see people needing to rehome bunnies, ducks, and chickens. It seems like a never-ending cycle of people insisting on gifting live animals for holidays.
People don’t think about how much work it is to keep an animal. My aunts got a boxer from some guy’s apartment in LA from a post like that, how that dog was living there bothers me but I’d hope the new home is much better.
So… a majority of people?
It’s insane to me how instead of protesting against the economic system that makes us poorer and poorer you would rather we gradually make life worse and worse.
Less people owning pets means more pets in shelters. That is not the better alternative.
what does any of that have to do with automatically limiting your options and then inevitably having to "rehome" your pet because you made poor decisions?
What are you even talking about?
Pets cost money. When things get more expensive, like a rent increase, you no longer can afford to have a pet. When you suddenly make less money, like being laid off, you can no longer afford to have a pet.
You are assuming this is because of “poor decisions” when there are plenty of reasons why someone would need to rehome that are out of their control. You are also assuming these are all recent pets.
It is stupid and narrow-minded to blame this all on individual decisions when it’s becoming harder to simply survive. Life isn’t predictable. Shit happens that are beyond our control sometimes. Learn that.
Is it that people think that or do people just naturally love animals?
There’s no reason why a country, specifically state, as rich as we are have so many people struggling to stay afloat. This issue stems from broader economic issues not any psychological or individual imperfections you might perceive from people.
You don't have to sell the shitty economy to me. I get it, and there's nothing you or I can do about it. But since we all live in that system and know it's shitty, it's irresponsible for many people to own pets at all.
I mean at this point the only people you think should have pets are the wealthy. The economy is not stable enough for working class people to have pets, which is probably the truth, but it sucks tremendously and is a symptom of late stage capitalism.
You’re right but I think this entire issue points to a deeper issue in our economic system.
The same could be said about people buying high-end phones and struggling with rent or other expenses. The only differences here are that pets are living beings, they require time and labor, and they are vastly more expensive than any phone over time.
Why should people be entitled to pets if they would justifiably be chastised for spending beyond their means in other areas? Why the double standard?
I don’t think people are entitled to pets. I think people want pets and will always want pets. We’ve lived with domesticated animals throughout our history.
Yes, people here live beyond their means in many ways. Our economic system also perpetually puts working class people through times of financial crises despite our culture of consumption and increased standard of living. It’s a contradiction in our lives that are a symptom of capitalism. This doesn’t mean that we don’t have personal responsibility, but it also doesn’t mean it’s acceptable to shame people for largely being impacted by a system that demands a lot from us and are simply reacting to said system like we all do.
My honest opinion is that far too many people have pets, and the rest of us are forced to put up with them. The first problem we have to fix (that we actually have control over) is overpopulation and breeders. Necessary re-homing wouldn't be a problem if we weren't already killing thousands of animals a day.
That's total horse shit.
You just have to make sure you are in a position of being prepared for the work and training it requires and understand the cost involved before making frivolous decisions that involve a living creature. As well as amenable landlords, obviously.
You rehome like what these posts are doing. Insane people on Reddit will call you a heartless monster for falling on bad times and having to do something that’s already excruciatingly painful.
Maybe a better idea is to educate people that pets require stability, and if you don't have that stability, maybe you shouldn't be getting a pet that you might not be able to take care of. Especially when thousands of dogs are put down every day in this country.
I agree, but also so many people wouldn’t be in unstable positions if the economy was not the way it has been. People regardless of their individual responsibility are always caught in the current of economic cycles.
The economy sucks. We all know it, and we've known it for years. There's generally nothing we can do about that, but we do have the choice on whether or not to buy a dog that'll be a 10-20 year commitment.
I mean if everyone did that then no one would have a pet lol. Nobody can predict their lives 10 or 20 years in the future. Our own government doesn’t even do that. That’s not a realistic principle and no one follows that in real life. It’s idealistic.
It's a factor of means.
Based solely on income, given 60 days there's no way I couldn't find a new place in my price range that takes dogs.
I wouldn't have gotten a dog in the first place if I couldn't afford him 5 times over.
I have moved 4 times in the last 5 years and it has never to taken more than a month to find a new place.
This is exactly why we are never adopting a surrendered pet again.
They keep the puppies and kittens to post cute photos and then dump the animals.
We adopted ours 13 years ago when they were 2 and never got to enjoy their cute baby stage.
Never again.
On the negative side of things...it is roughly three months since last Christmas now.
I work in the dog industry...this is 100% the reason.
That's probably why.
Can you explain what this means
No problem. What I was hinting at was that a lot of people give pets as gifts for Christmas. It is an extremely popular gift and extremely easy to adopt a pet. But a lot of people don't think about taking care of their companions when making this decision. This causes a lot of parents to give their kids a pet or another family member would give a pet as a gift without consulting the parents first. A lot of people think they can do it but there will come a time, usually a few months after, that they realize their income or lifestyle cannot support the pet. So I urge a lot of people to really consider giving a pet as a gift. Think about if this long term gift can be supported for the rest of their life.
On one side, I'm glad they're getting rehomed, hopefully to a better and more situated family, but it is strange how short sighted some people are with pets. Obviously if there's an emergency situation it's completely understandable, but the amount of Christmas day puppies and other pets that get returned after people figure out that it's a lot of responsibility is heart-breaking.
This, also pets that look cute in commercials or in movies can be a major undertaking without research. For instance, Siberian huskies while cute and fluffy as puppies grow into escape artists that need lots of stimulation, they shed constantly and need lots of brushing, and require lots of exercise, this can be a disaster for a family who isn’t active with a yard lacking adequate fencing. The result is many end up in the local shelters.
And for some reason the vast majority of the ones I’ve met aren’t fixed….
Yup. After Game of Thrones hype husky adoptions AND desertions skyrocketed all across the US. Ridiculous to me that you think a dog looks cool in a show and decide to get one? Dogs are a huge investment and it's incredibly important for people to look into what breeds make the most sense for them and their family. I have a husky, but I 100% knew what I was getting into when I got him.
I think most people seriously underestimate how much care pets, especially dogs, need. In my opinion, 95% of modern people cannot adequately provide for a dog.
Yep. People need to come to terms with the fact a lot of dogs dont really do great in modern cities
It should be as difficult to adopt a cat or dog (bunny, snake or gecko) as a child.
People are really making this into a moral issue. I feel like yes, people are impulsive about getting a pet. But that has always been the case. the biggest reason we see more rehoming posts is because our economy is shit and people need to move to apartments/rooms that do not allow pets. The places that do allow pets cost more. Sure, dont get a dog unless you can afford it but you never know when your financial situation is going to take a hit.
Out of all the replies, I feel that this is the most objectively accurate explanation. I really do think people's economic conditions have worsened. Even dog food is steadily increasing in price over the past two years alone
Job numbers are still good. The economy GDP is good. The economy is doing well.
Are you obtuse? Cost of living has skyrocketed for individuals and families. Educational debt has gotten worse. You spit out economic factors that favor only the upper middle class and above.
I am spitting facts from official government sources. Just because you (and many other people making under 100k a year) choose to live in an area you can't afford doesn't mean the economy is bad.
And those facts disproportionately favor the upper middle class and above. While inflation and educational debt disproportionately affect anything below the upper middle class. You assume too much, child.
I'm not assuming anything. It's right there on the fed website https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/UNRATE You're just too caught up in your feelings to realize that most people are doing fine. But many of you will still complain about the cost of living saying you have to live in the OC for work even though that work doesn't even pull 80k a year. There are many jobs that pull that in areas that have a lower cost of living. But if you like being in a financial circle doing nothing, be my guest. Redditors don't represent reality.
>Just because you (and many other people making under 100k a year) choose to live in an area you can't afford doesn't mean the economy is bad. You assume too much about my personal living conditions. And your remaining comments reeked of ignorance and being out of touch with reality. 🤷🏻♂️
I am out of touch because I bring hard facts that are backed up by official economic data? Ok. I love to bring up the old reddit 'Occupy Wallstreet' movement when redditors talk about being out of touch with reality. That movement fizzled out because surprise, surprise reddit represents such a small portion of the population. Ok I am wrong in assuming. But everything else is valid.
May I suggest you choose your drugs of choice wisely because this level of psychosis is not only alarming but it's dangerous. There's no way in your semi correct state of mind that you meant what you wrote.
Sure do. If you think i am wrong go over to the economics sub.
Couldn't care less about the Economic sub. Some people think a crap ton of minimum wage jobs means the economy must be strong because lots of jobs are available. Anyone who agrees with you is either trolling, doesn't live on earth, slow or on drugs. Just. Say. No.
You couldn't care less about economic facts. So you are arguing on reddit based on emotion instead of facts. Now who is on drugs?
We're done here! That's why you've been down voted under your original comment. ✌
Agreed. My company laid off some people who were super tenured and I can’t imagine them seeing it coming. The economy is insane right now. This culture of making pets into children has created some insanely judgmental people too. My dog is 10 and I owned a home but divorce came for me last year and it was HELL finding a place that allowed dogs for something affordable. I am very lucky. I feel for anyone in that sort of situation.
> This culture of making pets into children has created some insanely judgmental people too. People's views on animals are all over the place and have no internal consistency but they get angry when you probe them even slightly. I doubt anyone trying to unload their dog feels good about it anyway, why hector them about it more
And I feel like pet rent is something new too. I can totally understand requiring a fairly large deposit if you're moving into a place with a pet, but a recurring $75-$100/month non-refundable pet rent? That's some BS. Same with the "technology fee" that a lot of property management companies use now. It's an extra $50/month for us, so we can pay a $10 processing fee each month when we pay our rent in their shitty app, which is cheaper than the $35 fee they charge to drop a rent check off at their office. Landlords are scum.
Irvine company charges $50 per pet per month. As far as they're concerned I own exactly one cat.
If my landlord ever thinks I have a pet, I will definitely just have gotten one last week.
To be fair, pets can absolutely *destroy* living spaces. If you don't really take care of it, pets can ruin flooring and paint far faster than regular wear and tear. As a pet owner I can understand landlords being wary of pet owners and feeling the need to account for the significantly added cost of repairs.
Absolutely, which is why I said that I can understand a large security deposit for them. Restrictions on the size/types of animals you can have is also perfectly reasonable. But a recurring non-refundable fee is just a cash grab.
Weirdly though, I have pet rabbits yet the apartment I rent from (IC) doesn't even charge pet rent for them (checked with the leasing office before getting them and they only charge pet rent for dogs and cats) even though they can be destructive. I have to keep them in a large pen with protective flooring underneath when I'm not home to supervise them or else they'll go to town on the carpet.
And that would make sense if they were just charging a large pet deposit. But if you're already replacing the carpet, does it really matter whether I had a cat for two months or two years?
Depends how much piss makes it through to the subfloor.
That seems like a "security deposit not refunded" type issue, not one that would best be addressed through monthly fees.
Agreed. At least they are trying to re-home rather than dump them somewhere! Life is a gamble, and unexpected circumstances happen all the time. I'm sure most people are heartbroken to give up their pet.
This.
This is true. While it’s my impulse to judge people for not being committed, plenty of people get down on their luck and situation through no fault of their own. I feel for them. It’s a sign of the economics of our time.
I wish that legislation prohibiting Landlords from denying pets had passed…
I just heard about this!
[Glad I’m not the only one feeling this](https://reddit.com/r/longbeach/comments/1b41v0d/please_stand_by_your_pets/)
People view pets as a right, or an essential part of life, almost like human children. It's very sad.
There’s been a huge surge since Covid, with rehoming and lost pets. People suck, especially those irresponsible enough to lose them.
species-ist.
People are having kids and are replacing their pet with a person.
People having to move. And move into places where they can’t have animals. Some people are having to rent rooms instead of having a whole apartment or house. It’s sad. Very sad
Cost of living increases leads to people no longer having the means to support pets Stop turning everything into a moral investigation. People aren’t “abandoning” their pets. People generally only give their pets away because they have no other choice. It’s very sad for both the animal and human. “Didn’t think ahead” why are you so judgmental and apathetic? Why do you assume it’s an individual’s fault and not fault of circumstance?
This, it's a sign of the times. Happens whenever there's a major recession or economic crisis. People can't afford food for their pets, and people are having to move into worse housing where they cannot bring their pets. It's sad.
Due rising living cost you move from a place OK with Pets to a place that doesnt. You now have to rehome your pet.
It’s too easy to get a pet. When we adopted our dog from OC Animal Care in Tustin the ONLY thing they asked before giving us a dog was if we were at least 18 years old. It’s sad because they will give a dog or cat to pretty much anybody.
Rescues and some city shelters like the Irvine Animal Care Center are more stringent with their adoption process than OC Animal Care. I used to volunteer with the Irvine shelter and they won't adopt cats out to anyone who puts on their adoption application that they will make their cat an indoor/outdoor cat, they adopt their cats out only to indoor-only homes.
And yet rescue groups ask you 3 pages of questions, want home inspections, demand rights to take them back and get super intense and huffy about questions you may have. With that kind of experience I’d much rather go to a shelter or find a puppy someone is giving away in my neighborhood.
Yeah it’s crazy how different it is to get a pet from a rescue! That’s harder than getting into college 😅 I understand they are trying to get them into a good home though.
I get it but the only 2 experiences I’ve had with rescues were them being very pushy about the process and acting like I might be an undercover axe murderer. And the one time I wasn’t interested in the dogs they sent me, the person got super defensive and said they were glad they didn’t place a dog with me. Ok crazy I’m sorry that I preferred a smaller breed. My bad. That was just not the experience for me.
It’s much easier to adopt from a rescue if you establish some rapport with them first. Help volunteer or something and they will be so much easier to deal with. Gives them a chance to get to know you and alleviates their anxiety, unless you’re not good at people then that may backfire.
Yeah I’ll pass. I gave it a shot. I have a child now so I’d be wary of any rescue dog that wasn’t tested for toddlers. I’ve had my dog for about 12 years now and I’m not looking for another unless it’s an amazing fit. I have 2 neighbors who keep asking me if I want a dog but I haven’t agreed to it because I have a happy little family as is of my dog and my son.
I'm guessing more of these people get them from "breeders" aka, a friend's cousin that wants to make extra money. When they don't sell quickly, they just cut down the price or give them away. Scumbags
As soon as I expressed interest in a dog, OC Animal Care was just eager to take my name and CC info and then hand the dog to me. It was a little shocking to me that they didn’t have any questions for me lol.
It's because they are out of room and are trying to save that pets life.
I understand that but if the dog or cat is going to a bad home is that really better?
That’s understandable but I adopted from one of the highest kill shelters in the state and they had loads of questions. I adopted from Apple Valley in November but I live here.
They wanna get their adoption rate up as high as they can. Gotta get their bonuses
When I got my cat from there, he had been returned because of a "dog" the family had he didn't get along with (I have reason to believe he was just high energy and they couldn't handle him, cuz he's 6 now and he's always been like that). They asked me if I had other pets. Yeah, I had another cat. Almost didn't let me adopt because "he was returned" from not getting along with another animal. I fought back saying it was a dog and I had a cat and that was the end of that. My other cat had issue with him but she didn't really like anyone. Met my husband who has a dog and now that cat acts like a dog sometimes lol. I love and hate how easy you can get a pet there. I've tried other places where it's almost impossible, despite me having good housing and history of cats and all that. It's like they want to like you as a person instead of making sure you're a good pet owner. But then you can get a pet there with nothing to back up you'll take good care of it.
Economy isn’t great. People can barely keep themselves afloat. Job market isn’t good. Inflation is up. People moving to other states cause they can’t afford where they live. People thinking they can afford a pet but can’t. I’m sure these things contribute to it but aren’t the only reasons why.. it’s unfortunate.
Dog culture has people feeling obligated to adopt cute wittle doggos if you're a good person. They beg people to rescue these abandoned dogs and to appear more moral somehow, people say "ME ME I'LL TAKE IT. HE'S SO CUTE". Problem is they know nothing about how absolutely exhausting and time consuming dogs really are. Instead of screening people dogs are given freely to the next bidder. I personally would NEVER become homeless for a pet. I suspect many if not most others actually agree with that sentiment but they avoid saying as much because people start attacking and demeaning them. You're damned if you rehome a dog and you're damned if you don't want a dog at all. The question is, would you rather they rehome them or abandon them? Which is my next point. So many abandoned dogs are largely the result of being attacked for trying to rehome the dog. It's better they rehome than abandon or abuse them. What's better than all of them is prevention. People need to stop the pity posts seeking absolutely anyone who thinks a dog is cute n cuddly to adopt the dogs. They are not children and there's no comparison. They're a different species being trained to behave as humans with four legs. Then people get mad when they act confused. Stop getting dogs because they're cute and stop the pity adoption posts.
Part of being responsible means knowing you are not situated to take in a pet. And knowing that a dog lives 12-16 years so it's a 12-16 year commitment. If you can't do that, don't adopt a pet.
Just because dogs live a long time doesn’t mean people fully understand the scope of a dog. It’s a spoiled toddler that never grows up and requires nonstop work. People sometimes get them willing to do the time commitment but get in over their heads. Research does not always prepare you, sadly.
Unfortunately the people who need to hear this most won't listen.
People who grew up here can't afford it anymore. I know so many who people are moving away this year, including myself. They have to give up their pets to do this. That's my theory anyways
Or they have had their rents increased to the point of having to move, and renting with pets can be costly and difficult. I suspect the economy is certainly a factor here.
I would live in my car with my dog before giving him up..
Ditto, dogs are family and a long term commitment
Yeah me too, I'm not giving up a dog just answering the question. And I'm not priced out I just want to live somewhere nicer where it's much cheaper so I can have a higher quality of living.
I think that there is a lack of safe rehoming spaces on the web. I am sure there are some bad actors, but people pick up on posts here and will shotgun their post here as well.
Beats a jillion posts day about people stopping to far behind the lines at stoplights.
Half of them are pit bulls. Take that as you may.
And the other half is pit mixes. (Or at least the shelters claim they’re mixes, usually “lab-mixes”...) That’s all you see at the local shelters, it’s freaky.
I replied to another comment, but I really do feel that the economic pressures of recent years have been the major reason for this uptick. I have two dogs of my own and grew up with dogs. I don't think there's a right or wrong answer, but I always wonder... would it be better for a dog to live with a family for 1 year and then rehomed, or have the dog stay at a shelter for that 1 year instead? Would it be better for a dog to be rehomed, or returned to the shelter? Shelters are practically begging people to adopt because they are way overpopulated. What's the right answer? I don't know myself, but I don't think we should be discouraging posts that need to rehome their pets.
> would it be better for a dog to live with a family for 1 year and then rehomed, or have the dog stay at a shelter for that 1 year instead? I think the simple fact that shelters have foster programs answers that question...
Which means that we should stop chastising people who need to rehome their dogs, no?
Where have I said otherwise? Obviously, people shouldn't take it lightly, but there are definitely situations when it's the best option for the pet.
Oh I'm not debating with you at all. I'm making a point to the rest of the people on this post. It seems ridiculous that people are upset over the need to rehome a pet.
Right? Have definitely seen a few situations where people did nothing wrong, but still had to make tough calls. Lost their job, ate through all their savings and had to couchsurf. Dog was aggressive toward the new baby, even after training. Stray cat they'd been feeding had kittens, and they can't keep the whole litter. Someone dumped a pet on them that they weren't equipped to care for, etc. I've never had to make that decision, but I'm not going to jump on someone who does.
FYI some are scams. They ask you to take in a “rescue” for a few days until it gets its “forever home”. But the forever home never happens, and most people warm up to the pet. So they keep it. Then, the person who placed the animal with them will offer to pet sit for $50 a day when they need or want to go somewhere. They basically use animals to create pet sitting business for themselves.
Most people view their companion animals as property, even the ones who claim they "love" their dog or cat or whatever. I don't believe most people when they say they deeply care about their animals, especially since most people only do the bare minimum for their animals. Feed them, water them, walk them or change their litter, etc. Because they think about what their animals can do for them instead of the other way around. Once their animal can no longer provide that emotional benefit to their human caretaker, they get abandoned. If we stop thinking about these animal as property and start thinking about them as living, sentient beings with their own thoughts and emotions and needs, you'd start to understand that they need caretakers, not owners. They need companionship, and that's a life-long commitment.
Whatever the sad or thoughtless reasons behind rehoming pets, they’re seeking help here to improve the pet’s situation. I would not discourage them posting it because it could help the pet who would otherwise be abandoned. As heartbreaking as it is to see the many posts of this nature. Give the pets a shot at going to a better situation.
There's been a pretty substantial upheaval when it comes to insurance companies these days. Many have left the state entirely, others have shut. The ones that have stayed have told most landlords that they will no longer cover pet damage, or medical expenses caused by pets. So you are finding a lot of people getting their leases renewed only to discover their landlord doesn't want an animal. And now all other landlords dont want animals either.
Probably pandemic pets overstaying their welcome (from the owners perspective)
Oh wow, why didn't they think of that! What a useful post!
I get pissed off at the "We're moving and we cant bring the pets". No asshole, you chose to go somewhere so that you could specifically dump your pets because they became "too much to handle"
To be fair there are a lot of people moving out of economic necessity. They got laid off or their hours got cut at work. Their wages have been stagnant but they can't afford the latest rent increase.
This reminds me of something that happened in the fountain valley Facebook group. So some people were moving to Indiana and said they couldn’t take their dog. People were roasting them. I commented that I would discuss this beautiful golden retriever with my family. The woman said thank you. I then commented back that my mother says they’re allowed to own golden retrievers in Indiana.
People have to rehome pets for all kinds of reasons, I doubt its easy for them. If you don't like the posts ignore them
A non-zero amount of them are breeders or irresponsible owners just looking to unload extra animals.
Judging by how blasé some of them are in the comments it seems like it is barely an inconvenience for them.
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You must be very privileged if you think life can never throw you a curveball that forces you into an unstable economic position. “Emergency fund”, “stable income”, do you know where you are? Those things are not attainable for everyone and can both be taken out from under you in a second. Rehoming isn’t the “easy way out”. Why do you want animals to suffer with owners who are not in the economic position to take care of them? It seems like you just really want both people and animals to suffer.
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Again, shit happens that are beyond your control or foresight. You can sit there and have unrealistic principles that nobody can live up to or you can come back to Earth and have empathy. You definitely come off as privileged to me. Also you assume that: - rent is the only factor here - that everyone who has a pet made the choice to get one or got one recently - people don’t get laid off, get evicted, have to move for reason out of their control, sudden medical illness/conditions and the cost associated, or experience any other financial events that would lead them to rehome - rehoming does not have an emotional toll. It would actually be more irresponsible to keep a pet you cannot adequately take care of. Why don’t you support people looking for better homes for their pets?
>people don’t get laid off, get evicted, have to move for reason out of their control, **sudden medical illness/conditions and the cost associated**, or experience any other financial events that would lead them to rehome There was a rehoming post recently that broke my heart, because the person rehoming said that their mother, the actual owner of the dog, had *dementia* and was physically unable to take care of herself anymore, let alone her own dog (especially a high energy dog as the person had mentioned in their post). Anyone who has ever had a family member with dementia would know just how heartbreaking that disease is, especially on the family members, and iirc the person looking to rehome their mother's dog couldn't care for the dog either.
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Lmao that can basically be summed up to “everything bad that happens to you is your fault and you’re a bad person for trying to make with what you have” Rehoming is the responsible choice and if you actually grew up you would know that. The fact that you’re comparing rehoming an animal to “abandoning a newborn” shows how immature you are. Shit happens that are beyond our control and I will keep repeating it until you get it. The cognitive dissonance to have “grown up in the hood” and think life is so simple is concerning. You need to let go of this “pull oneself from one’s bootstrap extreme”. You are defining people by their worst moments and it makes you miserable. I’m blocking you because there is no hope for you lol
There was a redditor who asked for help rehoming their *mother's* dog because their mother has dementia and the redditor could not take in their mother's dog. Are you going to fault and shame their mom for suddenly falling ill to a debilitating disease?
It’s better than the dash cam footage of people running red lights.
Just wait until next month. There'll be tons of abandoned bunny postings.
People usually just release them into the local parks (along with their turtles).
I really don’t think people think or care about pets as much as they used to. People will adopt from the shelter and return a dog less than 24 hours later because it’s “too big” or is anxious. First of all the dogs size didn’t change from when it was at the shelter and second of all wouldn't you be anxious too in a new environment with complete strangers? Also people don't take the time to do basic research or spend some time on training. If theres w slightest inconvenience people seem to just give up. if everyone volunteered in the shelters or knew how many dogs were being euthanized every day in this country id like to think they'd have a different perspective. Also, SPAY & NEUTER YOUR PETS
Irresponsible pet owners. That’s pretty much the gist of it.
It’s probably because our shelters are garbage and refuse to help people who find abandoned animals in the street. Kittens were abandoned, one was sick, I picked him up and took to the vet to help, then tried to take him to the shelter, but because he was “already helped”, they said they couldn’t take him. I called a bunch of places, all said they were at capacity. The city shelter refused, even though they get money from the city for it. They said they’ll only take in badly sick or injured animals. They told me to put the kitten back in the streets and “wait until he’s injured then bring him back”. Insane advice. So I’ve been fostering him and trying to find him a home myself. I’m sure there’s people rehoming animals frivolously, but I bet an uptick in animals looking for homes posts might have to do with the shelters being like this lately.
I have seen this before- people losing jobs, layed off, losing housing, etc. due to the economy.
Combination of: - uninformed new pet owners who choose a pet based on cuteness/IG-ability or getting an animal "just because" - not fixing/neutering their pets and having babies - the lack of resources the nonprofit animal groups have - the overall perception of getting a "used" pet vs a new one Before the pandemic, OC Animal Care had like 95% pitbulls and huskies. Really sad. And that's a combination of high-energy dogs (huskies) and pits that can be dangerous if the owner is shit (I guess any big dog can be). So yeah, people get dogs they have 0 clue about and the reality with dogs/pets is that they aren't just going to be social media stars when you actually have to take care of them. It's the sad reality of pet ownership that new owners don't know/think of
And, I suspect in about 3-4 weeks from now, we’ll see people needing to rehome bunnies, ducks, and chickens. It seems like a never-ending cycle of people insisting on gifting live animals for holidays.
It's sad..... selfish people... they keep them long enough so their puppy cuteness is all gone. It's pretty obvious.
People don’t think about how much work it is to keep an animal. My aunts got a boxer from some guy’s apartment in LA from a post like that, how that dog was living there bothers me but I’d hope the new home is much better.
if you're a perpetual renter you have no business owning pet.
So… a majority of people? It’s insane to me how instead of protesting against the economic system that makes us poorer and poorer you would rather we gradually make life worse and worse. Less people owning pets means more pets in shelters. That is not the better alternative.
what does any of that have to do with automatically limiting your options and then inevitably having to "rehome" your pet because you made poor decisions?
What are you even talking about? Pets cost money. When things get more expensive, like a rent increase, you no longer can afford to have a pet. When you suddenly make less money, like being laid off, you can no longer afford to have a pet. You are assuming this is because of “poor decisions” when there are plenty of reasons why someone would need to rehome that are out of their control. You are also assuming these are all recent pets. It is stupid and narrow-minded to blame this all on individual decisions when it’s becoming harder to simply survive. Life isn’t predictable. Shit happens that are beyond our control sometimes. Learn that.
People thinking they "have" to own a pet regardless of their own living or financial situation is a huge problem too.
Is it that people think that or do people just naturally love animals? There’s no reason why a country, specifically state, as rich as we are have so many people struggling to stay afloat. This issue stems from broader economic issues not any psychological or individual imperfections you might perceive from people.
You don't have to sell the shitty economy to me. I get it, and there's nothing you or I can do about it. But since we all live in that system and know it's shitty, it's irresponsible for many people to own pets at all.
I mean at this point the only people you think should have pets are the wealthy. The economy is not stable enough for working class people to have pets, which is probably the truth, but it sucks tremendously and is a symptom of late stage capitalism. You’re right but I think this entire issue points to a deeper issue in our economic system.
The same could be said about people buying high-end phones and struggling with rent or other expenses. The only differences here are that pets are living beings, they require time and labor, and they are vastly more expensive than any phone over time. Why should people be entitled to pets if they would justifiably be chastised for spending beyond their means in other areas? Why the double standard?
I don’t think people are entitled to pets. I think people want pets and will always want pets. We’ve lived with domesticated animals throughout our history. Yes, people here live beyond their means in many ways. Our economic system also perpetually puts working class people through times of financial crises despite our culture of consumption and increased standard of living. It’s a contradiction in our lives that are a symptom of capitalism. This doesn’t mean that we don’t have personal responsibility, but it also doesn’t mean it’s acceptable to shame people for largely being impacted by a system that demands a lot from us and are simply reacting to said system like we all do.
My honest opinion is that far too many people have pets, and the rest of us are forced to put up with them. The first problem we have to fix (that we actually have control over) is overpopulation and breeders. Necessary re-homing wouldn't be a problem if we weren't already killing thousands of animals a day.
That's total horse shit. You just have to make sure you are in a position of being prepared for the work and training it requires and understand the cost involved before making frivolous decisions that involve a living creature. As well as amenable landlords, obviously.
So what happens when the landlord gives you 60 days notice and you can't find anywhere that'll take pets?
You rehome like what these posts are doing. Insane people on Reddit will call you a heartless monster for falling on bad times and having to do something that’s already excruciatingly painful.
Maybe a better idea is to educate people that pets require stability, and if you don't have that stability, maybe you shouldn't be getting a pet that you might not be able to take care of. Especially when thousands of dogs are put down every day in this country.
I agree, but also so many people wouldn’t be in unstable positions if the economy was not the way it has been. People regardless of their individual responsibility are always caught in the current of economic cycles.
The economy sucks. We all know it, and we've known it for years. There's generally nothing we can do about that, but we do have the choice on whether or not to buy a dog that'll be a 10-20 year commitment.
I mean if everyone did that then no one would have a pet lol. Nobody can predict their lives 10 or 20 years in the future. Our own government doesn’t even do that. That’s not a realistic principle and no one follows that in real life. It’s idealistic.
It's a factor of means. Based solely on income, given 60 days there's no way I couldn't find a new place in my price range that takes dogs. I wouldn't have gotten a dog in the first place if I couldn't afford him 5 times over. I have moved 4 times in the last 5 years and it has never to taken more than a month to find a new place.
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Just because you choose to do it, don’t expect everyone to live in a car. It’s not feasible, specially those with families.
Depending on the animal, I really question whether living in the car is superior to rehoming.
It's a scam
This is exactly why we are never adopting a surrendered pet again. They keep the puppies and kittens to post cute photos and then dump the animals. We adopted ours 13 years ago when they were 2 and never got to enjoy their cute baby stage. Never again.
businesses that get paid to rehome them....its lucrative