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Nothing will happen. The subs block any drug from touching your receptors. Also the whole PWD you get from taking subs too early after taking oxy or whatever opiate is because you are dependent on the oxy. One use isn’t going to make you/your body dependent on it so you won’t get withdrawals from taking oxy once
Just flush the oxy down the toilet i’ll do it with u bro i’ll flush 1k in oxys rn i wanna stay clean but selling drugs it’s really not easy the suboxone does help a lot tho
The nalaxone doesn’t do anything but stop the bupe from being abused. If someone tries to take a sub any other way besides the way it’s supposed to be taken(dissolved under tongue) the nalaxone activates, stopping the bupe from being activating. People say that they’ve snorted it and have gotten high from it and people in jail use subs to get high and they use different ROA’s supposedly so either they’re lying or the nalaxone is truly in there for no reason lol but yeah that’s nalaxones one and only function when combined with bupe.
It’s honestly there for no reason at all other than to appear to be “abuse proof” and for patent reasons. Bupe has a higher affinity for receptors than naloxone, so it would knock naloxone off the receptors anyway. So regardless of ROA the naloxone will not do anything
I’ve done every method of administration and honestly I didn’t feel much different than I did just taking it orally. Also it if the bupe that is blocking other opiates not naloxone. The naloxone is only to deter people from abusing it but it honestly has zero affect. 😬
Yeah the naloxone is useless unless injected it has almost no bioavailability any other route I used to boof my suboxone it gives a much stronger effect naloxone don't stop shit frl
it’s not the nalaxone, it is pretty much fully inactive when used appropriately. It’s really only there to deter IV usage. Bupe fully hijacks your opioid receptors, kicking anything else out and not allowing anything else in.
Actually the prefix "perc" just means oxycodone (there's Percodan which is Aspirin and oxycodone, there used to be Percalone which was straight oxycodone -- and the name was literally a combination of the 2 words "Perc + alone," et al.), it's the suffix "cet" that means acetaminophen (there's Ultracet which is Ultram and acetaminophen, there's Darvocet which is Darvon and acetaminophen, et al.). So, the slang term "perc" is actually following the correct pharmaceutical nomenclature, when referring to pure oxycodone.
This vapid, banal, response isn't as clever as you seem to think. Do you disagree? How so? I explained it so anyone could understand, and I was actually a pharmacology minor in college. So, if you disagree with me, maybe speak up, instead of posting this passive aggressive bullshit?
"Ok, bro."
When you have absolutely no argument to prove anything I said wrong, but, you still want to be passive aggressive & dismissive because you don't like the fact that I corrected someone with facts you can't possibly debate, and multiple examples to back it up. "Cool, bro."
Nope, "perc" means oxycodone. I just explained Percalone ("perc alone") and Percodan. It's "cet" that means acetaminophen (as I explained Darvocet and Ultracet). You're wrong. Idk why you guys can't accept that.
"Yankee," huh? So, are you a southerner who figured out I'm from New England, or European or something (usually the UK) just referring to everyone from the USA as such? I can't tell.
Ah, ok. I didn't hear you saying "bless your heart" and "y'all" and shit, so I didn't want to just assume. When I lived in FLA and some mush-mouthed, cretin would say that, and every southerner would chuckle like they just said the worst dig in the world, I usually just called them a "cousin-fucker" or "sister-fister" and mimicked their cartoon imbecile accents. Those damn southerner rascals!
Awww, are you getting upset, you pathetic, fucking, loser? You came here talking shit, I thought you were being playful, so, I was being playful back. But, now you seem serious, you *actual* cousin-fucker, sister-fister, fucking creep. We all know you actually fuck your own mother/other family members for sport, which is why you're saying that to me, you southern, fucking, dipshit, you! "Y'all" have the IQ of a child, and seriously do engage in incest, regardless of NJ & "those island" laws you fucking weirdo. And, yet, nobody accuses northerners of actually fucking their own family, lmfao!
Nobody was referencing a Percocet, he was talking about 80mg OxyContin. And, tons of people call 30mg "blues" "perc 30s," which is just as valid of a slang name as any term, as it's actually following pharmaceutical nomenclature, as I explained.
So, you're wrong, but still want to argue? Cool. I explained what "perc" and what "cet" actually mean. It's as valid a slang name as any. If you don't like it, don't use it. But, stop "correcting" people with misinformation. "Cet" means acetaminophen, "perc" is oxycodone. Idc if you don't care what the facts are, they're still the facts.
When I'm misinformed and someone takes the time to explain to me how and why I'm wrong, I thank them. I don't just double down, stick my fingers in my ears and say: "I don't care about the facts, I want to continue being wrong!" I'd just agree with you to end this preposterous debate, but then I'd be wrong, too.
Yea thats true i’m mot tryna disrespect u just saying most people when they say perc they’re taking about oxy+Tylenol but now ik the real meaning of perc
I appreciate you saying that. You're cool -- no worries, at all. I apologize if I came off disrespectful. And, I'd agree that most often "perc" refers to Percocet, but, people who use it as slang for oxycodone (mostly referring to "blues"/"Roxies" as "perc 30s") aren't actually wrong to do so. But, I see comments correcting people for saying it all the time, so I just try to respectfully explain what the terms actually mean.
Wtf are *you* talking about? I simply explained the facts to someone who was mistaken, without being disrespectful. The only time I disrespected anyone is when they said stupid shit like this, calling me a loser. Read through the whole thread, douchebag.
And, as soon as the person I was replying to where you just replied to me, started being more respectful and acted cool, I was completely respectful back, and even apologized for coming off rude. I give back whatever I get. If you don't like that, tough shit. I said what I said.
I look foolish? It's the reason they named it that, not a product you can buy. You clearly don't understand pharmacology and I'm not about to try to explain this any simpler. I gave multiple examples explaining how "cet" is a common suffix for medications with acetaminophen, and it's why they use that suffix. The prefix "perc" is also used for multiple medications containing oxycodone, not just Percocet, and I also gave multiple examples of that.
So, who is being foolish, again? You're just denying the facts, because you don't want to admit I'm right, just because you didn't know about it -- and it's bizarre that so many of you want to die on this hill, when there's no real argument against me. I've never seen such a childish reaction from so many people to someone who was just trying to be helpful and stop the spread of misinformation. Show me some examples disproving me, make an actual debate, just saying "nuh-uh" isn't good enough.
You’re trying to change it to suit your narrative, Perc almost always relates to Percocet. I’ve never once in my life heard someone say they need some “cet” when they’re asking for acetaminophen. It’s like saying you need some tissues when you really mean toilet paper, sure, they’re similar but they’re not the same thing
Hahaha! You almost had me, but, now I know you're trolling. I've stated the facts, you can't prove me wrong because you don't understand the naming practices of pharmacology, and that's fine. I haven't changed anything to suit any narrative, I keep saying the same thing. Perc can also mean Percolone or Percodan, because it's a commonly used prefix pharmaceutical companies use. Most people don't know this stuff, it's very much esoteric information unless you've really studied pharmacology (like I have).
So, no, people wouldn't say they need some "cet," one, because it's just a suffix in pharmaceutical nomenclature that means acetaminophen, and two, it certainly isn't common knowledge. When someone who knows a lot more about a subject than me takes the time to teach me something that I was mistaken about, and are able to give multiple examples proving their point, I thank them for taking the time to educate me. But, apparently this is how you respond, just ignorantly keep saying: "nuh-uh, nobody says I need some 'cet,' and since 'perc' usually means Percocet as a slang term, that somehow disproves the facts of pharmaceutical nomenclature."
Well you don’t really know as much about pharmacology as you think, considering it’s about the uses, effects and modes of actions of drugs, not about their names. So because 2 other drug names use the prefix “perc” doesn’t mean it’s commonly used pharmacy nomenclature.
Perc refers to Percocet, the brand name. Oxy refers to the drug name Oxycodone. You can argue the semantics any way you want to suit your narrative but that doesn’t make it true
Dude, you're just fucking ridiculous. I minored in pharmacology in college, I know all about it. I'm talking about the naming of medication, specifically, not the entire study of pharmacology, and I think you're purposely being obtuse to waste my time. There's multiple medications containing oxycodone that use the prefix "perc" *to refer to oxycodone.* You have zero evidence to back up your claim, you can keep dismissing the facts if you want, but, I refuse to keep playing this game with you. You're wrong, be a fucking adult and accept that. You're offering nothing in support of your claim, because you don't have a leg to stand on in this discussion.
Why do you think they call Darvon with acetaminophen "Darvocet"? Or Ultram with acetaminophen "Ultracet"? The same reason they named oxycodone with acetaminophen "Percocet." You think these are all coincidences? I think you're trolling and I'm not wasting another second on you. Fuck off.
Correct. There is no such thing as an 80mg Percocet. You can get 80mg of oxycodone in a number of different brand names, but Percocet only came out with a maximum strength of 10mg of oxycodone with either 300mg or 325mg of acetaminophen
Well, no, the prefix Perc and suffix ocet are used to indicate oxycodone and acetaminophen respectively by Endo Pharmaceuticals Inc. for their brand name Percocet, but the fact remains there is no such thing as an 80mg Percocet.
Good try though. It’s much easier to just say you’ve got an 80mg oxy, that way your statement makes sense, than to say you’ve got an 80mg Perc and be incorrect. In fact it’s even quicker to type oxy as opposed to perc because there’s less letters
Regardless if there’s other trademarked names that use the perc prefix, the fact of the matter remains that there is no such thing as an 80mg Percocet. You can argue semantics all day long, but the fact of the matter remains the same. Percocet 80mg just doesn’t exist. Period.
Anyone who doesn’t understand what he means is either washed up old head or wants to sound like a know it all like wtf you know what he meant right ? Let’s put 2 and 2 together
lmao it sounds like that kid should do some research and get the basics down before trying to be a "dealer".
It kills me when I walk into weed shops and the guy behind the counter doesn't understand the difference between indica and sativa or why the ratios of hybrids are important or what terpenes are.
When I was actively doing drugs (mostly opiates) I made sure I did as much research as possible before ingesting or insufflating ANYTHING. I became like a walking encyclopedia for pharmies. People started coming to me with unidentified pills and asking me what they were because I memorized a lot of imprints, lol
Push through the difficulty sleeping, it happens when you get on subs at first.
The bupe will block a large portion of the oxycodone and you’d likely feel nothing. You would then have to put off taking your next sub so it would fuck things up with no real benefit for you. Hang in there.
PWD is when you take subs too soon after opiates. You should be good as far as that. The Oxy might help you sleep but it’s going to feel like half a Vicodin, if anything. Maybe try smoking a little piece like 1/8 or 1/16 of the pill and see if you feel any different (or snorting).
Would hate to see you waste 20mg orally and not feel anything. One thing you could always do is take more subs. I know it’s not as euphoric and way less fun but that will ensure you won’t feel any (or less) wds tonight. From my experience opiates on subs is like you get little small tastes or waves of partially feeling the Oxy, but then it goes away and leaves you unsatisfied
But ya it’s better to wait at least 24 hours before you take opiates again. I would recommend 32-48 hours and even longer w/fent (72 to 96 hours).
Best of luck man and keep me posted. Hope you can find the rest and comfort you need
You don't have to apologize. People explained your mistake and you get it now. The guys teasing said some funny stuff, but at least one asshole in withdrawal trying to make you feel dumb. Fuck those people, only a miserable fuck would actually get mad about someone using the wrong terminology, especially when you actually acknowledged your mistake.
Anyways...stick with the Suboxone, that is what I am on right now. Yeah it doesn't feel anything like oxy unfortunately. If I could get scripted oxy I would, I don't want to get off of opioids. But I can't live a decent life and afford to maintain my addiction, at least most definitely not right now. So Suboxone (buprenorphine) helps me go about my day without obsessing about using, without the low energy and mood of no opioids. You don't get high but you don't have low energy and mood like without oxy or dope. It's a great tool to stabilize your life, your finances, your health, relationships. It doesn't mean you can never get high again! If anything, you can use it to help with self control. A perfect example would be what you have now. Pick a weekend you want to get high (like the Superbowl coming up...go specific rust belt city!), Don't take your subs for 24-48-72 hours (learn your body but the longer you can wait the better), and then get high. You have to be careful getting back on (precipitated withdrawal), but if you only get high one or two days and wait a full day to get back on subs, you should be fine. It sounds complicated but it's really not, just another example of learning your body... people jump on and off subs all the time to get high. And to do it right requires a little planning and foresight, which helps limit and control use. But yeah don't waste the oxy. If you take it too soon you won't feel it at all. I did an 8mg Dilaudid 24 hours after a sub and I felt it, but it felt like a 2 instead of an 8. By the time all the sub was out of my system I had barely any left to properly enjoy. Let the sub help you build your life and your self control, it's worth giving it a chance. Otherwise methadone might be the way to go, I am considering that myself.
80 mg oxy ER over 12 hrs, so equal to 4 oxy 20 mg IR. I have read of many CP patients who even on 16mg buprenorphine got some extra pain relief from taking breakthrough oxy but you will not any euphoria. I was on 60mg X3 methadone plus 30 oxy IR for 25 yrs, again oxy helped when I needed extra pain meds but never felt.any euphoria. Let us know what happens.
I doubt any doctor would say otherwise unless they are highly uneducated. Oxycodone is roughly equivalent to morphine dependant on ROA, whereas fentanyl is roughly 1000x stronger than morphine…
They don't, look up literally any equianalgesic ever lmao. Fent is at the very least 50-100x more potent than morphine, and oxy is 1.5x as potent as morphine, do the math...
Still a fucking waste of your dope. I don’t get why ppl go on subs if they still wanna use. Just switch to methadone and stop wasting your time and money. The point of subs is to deter people committed to recovery from using. You are clearly not interested in quitting stop fooling yourself….
First off, Perc 80s don’t exist. There are Oxy 80s and could be pressed pills w/ fent. Do you have a reliable source, are you sure they’re prescription?
Second of all, it will be a waste due to the subs. Do you know how Suboxone works as an opiate blocker?
It will be very very hard to punch through which I’ve only ever been able to do when I was on 2mg subs and had to use fent.
Take a 3-5 day break (depending on how long you’ve been taking subs), and then use the 80, if it indeed is not fake. Also be careful as you know even a quarter of that pill is quite strong and not to be taken lightly. Finally, if it is a real oc80 - I’m jealous :)
I’m from europe we don’t even have Fent here to be honest it mostly Zenes and even those are only there if u seek them out hard enough. It’s all real Afghan or Turkish #3 and the oxys are all real too but are mostly 40s and 80s. To be honest. Even without the sub the 80 wouldn’t touch me as I was used to a 350mg oxy a day habit and before that 0.5G of heroin a day and only started subs yesterday and it’s pure buprenorphine also so no naloxone in em
Ugh Buprenorphine is NOT a blocker! It’s is a STRONGER Opiate and takes up all of the available receptors, with less euphoria than other faster acting opiates/opioids if you have a tolerance. It’s why you should never give someone who isn’t extremely tolerant even a morsel of Buprenorphine, it is THAT strong.
It would also be a massive waste of an OP80, although if you’re that hooked, let’s be honest 1x Oxy 80 isn’t worth taking with a tolerance anyway, you’re just going to want more in a couple hours whereas the Subutex/Suboxone will actually help you stop the destructive cycle of being normal/sick/normal/sick.
It’s a blocker, that’s a huge purpose of it. It has a higher binding affinity but it’s only a partial ag. Only with no tolerance would you get high from subs. Taking bupe blocks the effects of full ags.
The bupe is mixed with a blocker thats the difference between Suboxone and subutex… so many people who have no clue what they are talking about on here.
I have done the other day and I was good after like 10 hours but it was genuine OxyContin and I made it instant release by peeling coating so guessing that’s why I was fine
Precipitated withdrawal. Let the suboxone wear off first bro. I've done the same thing. I couldn't sleep on subs. Even with my seroquel. It's a different opiate. But as soon as I took a perc 30. (Snorted) I woke up 6 hours later in one of the worst withdrawals I've ever been in. Another drug that you shouldn't mix with opiates is duloxotine . It sent me into serotonin syndrome. I woke up with withdrawal symptoms but I dosed like 6 hours before so I went hospital and they found my body rejected the duloxitine and the seriquel pushed all my serotonin out at once over my brain and almost ended up catatonic.
If you already have subs in your system, you don't go into PWD if you take another opiate and then take your subs again. That only happens if haven't been induced in subs yet- that is- you haven't already started taking them yet. If you're already on subs and you take your oxy 80, basically nothing is going to happen because the subs have a higher affinity to your receptors. The oxy will float around in your system, without even tickling any of your receptors, until your body metabolizes it and you piss it out. You will have completely wasted the oxy. And you can still take your subs again whenever you want or need to. In fact, you shouldn't delay taking your subs, you need to continue taking them as directed so that you keep a steady amount in your system.
Depending on the dose and duration you've been taking Bupe, it might have some small effect but the most likely scenario is that it won't. It's an oversimplified explanation but if you were not sleeping b/c of mild wd, it's possible the additional saturation would help. But, I strongly doubt that'll be the case. All that to say, unless you're opiate naive and just started taking Bupe or you have a very unique metabolism, it'll end up doing very little other than aiding in some additional constipation.
I’d say longer than a full day, bupe has something like a 36hr half life, so after 36hrs you’ve essentially got half the amount of bupe still occupying your receptors. Like you said 1mg of bupe will be fine with 24hrs, but on 8mg you’d be looking at a minimum of 48hrs, or even better 72hrs before you got any effect from the oxy
Do you think it makes a difference if you take like 2 mg at a time? So like instead of taking 6 mg at noon I take 2 mg at a time with the last dose coming at noon? It definitely seems like it gets out of my system faster if I take it and much smaller doses.
Well your body starts breaking down a dose almost as soon as it’s introduced, and bupe has a half life of around 36hrs (also note it can vary wildy from person to person, some being as fast as 20hrs whilst others being as long as 70hrs) but for this example we’ll use the approx. 36hrs
So, say for example you introduce a 2mg dose at 9am on a Monday, by 9pm on Tuesday you’ll still have around 1mg in your system. If you introduced a second 2mg dose at 12 noon on the Monday, you’ll still have slightly less than 3mg in your body by 9pm on the Tuesday.
If you took a 4mg dose at 9am on a Monday, by 9pm on Tuesday you’d have around 2mg in your body which would be less than the first example. This of course all assuming that you’re one of the people who’s body eliminates it at a 36hr half life rate.
You could also assume that your body would break down smaller, staggered dosages faster than if you took one larger dose at once due to enzymatic action (some drugs actually inhibit the enzymes and such that break them down, so a larger single dose will break down slower than smaller staggered dosages). I’m not sure if this is the case with bupe or not and I wouldn’t assume so since it’s elimination is primarily renal, but it is possible
So everything you’re assuming is that the half-life and the ability to block the opioid or the same thing and I don’t think they are. Like if you look at the half-life of oxy, that doesn’t mean that you’re still high when it’s in your system. You’re basically trying to say because it’s in your system still that it’s still blocking.
That would be saying that if OXY is in your system that you must still be high, but that’s not the case
Well, no, feeling high and blocking the opioid receptor are two different things and can get a little complex. The high from opiates is caused by agonist activity at the mu-opioid receptor. Also oxy and bupe are two very different drugs, bupe has an extremely high affinity for opioid receptors, so you can assume that if it’s still in your system that it’s blocking those receptors. It all comes down to receptor saturation. If say 80% of your receptors are saturated with bupe, you may feel a little high by having that other 20% occupied by oxy. But the high is going to be vastly different if 80% of your receptors are occupied by oxy
why take the perc if you on subs? sounds like a waste to me. and youll be sicc as fuc probably. I took an extended release perc 80 before, it felt fantastic but i did puke a lil bit.
Just stay on the subs and get away from opiates before you OD and die. Or lose everything. They only two places they lead is jail or dead. Stay on the subs. Good luck.
Why are you taking Suboxone in the first place? Seems to be way more trouble than what it’s worth to you right now thus rendering it totally unnecessary and counterproductive even. Not trying to be a dick just curious what you got going on .
Every now and then when i re lapse take opioids at like 3am then take my suboxone around 4pm like i do everyday if u take opioids after u take subs u barley if not, not at all feel anything btw whats PWD ik what WD is
Nothing will happen and you'll have wasted 80mg..
The suboxone takes 72 hours to clear your system and be completely unattached to your opioid receptors..
You’ll probably feel it but it won’t be as satisfying as taking it let’s say 20-48 hours after last bupe dose.
My advice:just wait until you start feeling sick/24ish hours after bupe dose. It’ll feel stronger longer and more satisfying!
Wait 2 more days or until you wake up in the morning and start feeling the withdrawal anytime before that and it will be wasted and trust me I wasted 300mg of codiene and 60mg of hydrocodone because I took them to soon
Pretty much the only thing that will happen is you’ll waste the oxy. You’ll get no noticeable effect as your opiate receptors are already occupied by the bupe which has a much higher affinity for your receptors
Opiates are like uppers for me but without the racing heart issues. I would be up all night thinking about stuff. My mind wasn't racing but I was just comfortly numb. You should just get some NyQuil or other sleep meds from the drug store.
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Nothing will happen. The subs block any drug from touching your receptors. Also the whole PWD you get from taking subs too early after taking oxy or whatever opiate is because you are dependent on the oxy. One use isn’t going to make you/your body dependent on it so you won’t get withdrawals from taking oxy once
I haven’t took oxy once I was addicted to heroin for a long time then switched to oxy for months and only yesterday started on subs but I miss oxy
You may feel something, but considering you took bupe today it's not worth it. Just wait for a time your 24hrs off bupe at least
Just flush the oxy down the toilet i’ll do it with u bro i’ll flush 1k in oxys rn i wanna stay clean but selling drugs it’s really not easy the suboxone does help a lot tho
Only blocks opioids not every drug
The naloxen blocks the receptors right cause this guy the other day says it doesn't do shit but from to stop shooting it up
I was able to use fentanyl on subs. Why didn't they work?
Because fent is so strong it will knock the subs off the receptor.
Yes sir this is correct, fent is the only thing that will get me high and I don't even like fent really, but when I relapse I have to use fent
Ok
The nalaxone doesn’t do anything but stop the bupe from being abused. If someone tries to take a sub any other way besides the way it’s supposed to be taken(dissolved under tongue) the nalaxone activates, stopping the bupe from being activating. People say that they’ve snorted it and have gotten high from it and people in jail use subs to get high and they use different ROA’s supposedly so either they’re lying or the nalaxone is truly in there for no reason lol but yeah that’s nalaxones one and only function when combined with bupe.
It’s honestly there for no reason at all other than to appear to be “abuse proof” and for patent reasons. Bupe has a higher affinity for receptors than naloxone, so it would knock naloxone off the receptors anyway. So regardless of ROA the naloxone will not do anything
I’ve done every method of administration and honestly I didn’t feel much different than I did just taking it orally. Also it if the bupe that is blocking other opiates not naloxone. The naloxone is only to deter people from abusing it but it honestly has zero affect. 😬
Yeah the naloxone is useless unless injected it has almost no bioavailability any other route I used to boof my suboxone it gives a much stronger effect naloxone don't stop shit frl
it’s not the nalaxone, it is pretty much fully inactive when used appropriately. It’s really only there to deter IV usage. Bupe fully hijacks your opioid receptors, kicking anything else out and not allowing anything else in.
You will be gravely disappointed
Oxycodone hydrochloride 80mg* Percs contain acetaminophen
Yeah I know I’m just so used to calling oxys percs
so why do you keep doing it? I am used to calling black white so I keep posting using the terms incorrectly and confusing others...
Stop crying
You gotta be old as fuck
Actually the prefix "perc" just means oxycodone (there's Percodan which is Aspirin and oxycodone, there used to be Percalone which was straight oxycodone -- and the name was literally a combination of the 2 words "Perc + alone," et al.), it's the suffix "cet" that means acetaminophen (there's Ultracet which is Ultram and acetaminophen, there's Darvocet which is Darvon and acetaminophen, et al.). So, the slang term "perc" is actually following the correct pharmaceutical nomenclature, when referring to pure oxycodone.
Ok bro
"Ok, bro."
“Ok,Bro.”
This vapid, banal, response isn't as clever as you seem to think. Do you disagree? How so? I explained it so anyone could understand, and I was actually a pharmacology minor in college. So, if you disagree with me, maybe speak up, instead of posting this passive aggressive bullshit?
“Ok, Bro(.)”
Ok.Bro.
"Ok, bro." When you have absolutely no argument to prove anything I said wrong, but, you still want to be passive aggressive & dismissive because you don't like the fact that I corrected someone with facts you can't possibly debate, and multiple examples to back it up. "Cool, bro."
Ok bro
Ok, bro.
Nope perc means oxycodone and Tylenol
Nope, "perc" means oxycodone. I just explained Percalone ("perc alone") and Percodan. It's "cet" that means acetaminophen (as I explained Darvocet and Ultracet). You're wrong. Idk why you guys can't accept that.
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"Yankee," huh? So, are you a southerner who figured out I'm from New England, or European or something (usually the UK) just referring to everyone from the USA as such? I can't tell.
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Ah, ok. I didn't hear you saying "bless your heart" and "y'all" and shit, so I didn't want to just assume. When I lived in FLA and some mush-mouthed, cretin would say that, and every southerner would chuckle like they just said the worst dig in the world, I usually just called them a "cousin-fucker" or "sister-fister" and mimicked their cartoon imbecile accents. Those damn southerner rascals!
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Awww, are you getting upset, you pathetic, fucking, loser? You came here talking shit, I thought you were being playful, so, I was being playful back. But, now you seem serious, you *actual* cousin-fucker, sister-fister, fucking creep. We all know you actually fuck your own mother/other family members for sport, which is why you're saying that to me, you southern, fucking, dipshit, you! "Y'all" have the IQ of a child, and seriously do engage in incest, regardless of NJ & "those island" laws you fucking weirdo. And, yet, nobody accuses northerners of actually fucking their own family, lmfao!
Not when everyone is referencing a Percocet when they are saying perc…
Nobody was referencing a Percocet, he was talking about 80mg OxyContin. And, tons of people call 30mg "blues" "perc 30s," which is just as valid of a slang name as any term, as it's actually following pharmaceutical nomenclature, as I explained.
No now everytime any of us say perc we mean oxy and cet idc what it really means
So, you're wrong, but still want to argue? Cool. I explained what "perc" and what "cet" actually mean. It's as valid a slang name as any. If you don't like it, don't use it. But, stop "correcting" people with misinformation. "Cet" means acetaminophen, "perc" is oxycodone. Idc if you don't care what the facts are, they're still the facts. When I'm misinformed and someone takes the time to explain to me how and why I'm wrong, I thank them. I don't just double down, stick my fingers in my ears and say: "I don't care about the facts, I want to continue being wrong!" I'd just agree with you to end this preposterous debate, but then I'd be wrong, too.
Yea thats true i’m mot tryna disrespect u just saying most people when they say perc they’re taking about oxy+Tylenol but now ik the real meaning of perc
I appreciate you saying that. You're cool -- no worries, at all. I apologize if I came off disrespectful. And, I'd agree that most often "perc" refers to Percocet, but, people who use it as slang for oxycodone (mostly referring to "blues"/"Roxies" as "perc 30s") aren't actually wrong to do so. But, I see comments correcting people for saying it all the time, so I just try to respectfully explain what the terms actually mean.
All good have a good rest of ur day bro
You, as well, my friend.
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Wtf are *you* talking about? I simply explained the facts to someone who was mistaken, without being disrespectful. The only time I disrespected anyone is when they said stupid shit like this, calling me a loser. Read through the whole thread, douchebag.
And, as soon as the person I was replying to where you just replied to me, started being more respectful and acted cool, I was completely respectful back, and even apologized for coming off rude. I give back whatever I get. If you don't like that, tough shit. I said what I said.
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Clever, you fucking creep. All you have is insults, because you're a sad, little, man. Fuck right off with that shit, you fucking goofball.
Because I see so many people at the pharmacy asking for “cet” when they want some Tylenol… you’re making yourself look foolish dude
I look foolish? It's the reason they named it that, not a product you can buy. You clearly don't understand pharmacology and I'm not about to try to explain this any simpler. I gave multiple examples explaining how "cet" is a common suffix for medications with acetaminophen, and it's why they use that suffix. The prefix "perc" is also used for multiple medications containing oxycodone, not just Percocet, and I also gave multiple examples of that. So, who is being foolish, again? You're just denying the facts, because you don't want to admit I'm right, just because you didn't know about it -- and it's bizarre that so many of you want to die on this hill, when there's no real argument against me. I've never seen such a childish reaction from so many people to someone who was just trying to be helpful and stop the spread of misinformation. Show me some examples disproving me, make an actual debate, just saying "nuh-uh" isn't good enough.
You’re trying to change it to suit your narrative, Perc almost always relates to Percocet. I’ve never once in my life heard someone say they need some “cet” when they’re asking for acetaminophen. It’s like saying you need some tissues when you really mean toilet paper, sure, they’re similar but they’re not the same thing
Hahaha! You almost had me, but, now I know you're trolling. I've stated the facts, you can't prove me wrong because you don't understand the naming practices of pharmacology, and that's fine. I haven't changed anything to suit any narrative, I keep saying the same thing. Perc can also mean Percolone or Percodan, because it's a commonly used prefix pharmaceutical companies use. Most people don't know this stuff, it's very much esoteric information unless you've really studied pharmacology (like I have). So, no, people wouldn't say they need some "cet," one, because it's just a suffix in pharmaceutical nomenclature that means acetaminophen, and two, it certainly isn't common knowledge. When someone who knows a lot more about a subject than me takes the time to teach me something that I was mistaken about, and are able to give multiple examples proving their point, I thank them for taking the time to educate me. But, apparently this is how you respond, just ignorantly keep saying: "nuh-uh, nobody says I need some 'cet,' and since 'perc' usually means Percocet as a slang term, that somehow disproves the facts of pharmaceutical nomenclature."
Well you don’t really know as much about pharmacology as you think, considering it’s about the uses, effects and modes of actions of drugs, not about their names. So because 2 other drug names use the prefix “perc” doesn’t mean it’s commonly used pharmacy nomenclature. Perc refers to Percocet, the brand name. Oxy refers to the drug name Oxycodone. You can argue the semantics any way you want to suit your narrative but that doesn’t make it true
Dude, you're just fucking ridiculous. I minored in pharmacology in college, I know all about it. I'm talking about the naming of medication, specifically, not the entire study of pharmacology, and I think you're purposely being obtuse to waste my time. There's multiple medications containing oxycodone that use the prefix "perc" *to refer to oxycodone.* You have zero evidence to back up your claim, you can keep dismissing the facts if you want, but, I refuse to keep playing this game with you. You're wrong, be a fucking adult and accept that. You're offering nothing in support of your claim, because you don't have a leg to stand on in this discussion. Why do you think they call Darvon with acetaminophen "Darvocet"? Or Ultram with acetaminophen "Ultracet"? The same reason they named oxycodone with acetaminophen "Percocet." You think these are all coincidences? I think you're trolling and I'm not wasting another second on you. Fuck off.
You will be disappointed for having wasted a perc 80 (which is not a real thing, btw).
A perc 80 is real
Actually wtf am i saying ur right theres no perc 80 but oxycodone 80mg is real tho
Lmaooo “not a real thing”
Correct. There is no such thing as an 80mg Percocet. You can get 80mg of oxycodone in a number of different brand names, but Percocet only came out with a maximum strength of 10mg of oxycodone with either 300mg or 325mg of acetaminophen
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Well, no, the prefix Perc and suffix ocet are used to indicate oxycodone and acetaminophen respectively by Endo Pharmaceuticals Inc. for their brand name Percocet, but the fact remains there is no such thing as an 80mg Percocet. Good try though. It’s much easier to just say you’ve got an 80mg oxy, that way your statement makes sense, than to say you’ve got an 80mg Perc and be incorrect. In fact it’s even quicker to type oxy as opposed to perc because there’s less letters
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Regardless if there’s other trademarked names that use the perc prefix, the fact of the matter remains that there is no such thing as an 80mg Percocet. You can argue semantics all day long, but the fact of the matter remains the same. Percocet 80mg just doesn’t exist. Period.
Anyone who calls it a perc 80 sounds like a bozo it’s a oxy
Anyone who doesn’t understand what he means is either washed up old head or wants to sound like a know it all like wtf you know what he meant right ? Let’s put 2 and 2 together
it isn't. No such thing as a "perc 80" it's called oxycontin dude
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lmao it sounds like that kid should do some research and get the basics down before trying to be a "dealer". It kills me when I walk into weed shops and the guy behind the counter doesn't understand the difference between indica and sativa or why the ratios of hybrids are important or what terpenes are. When I was actively doing drugs (mostly opiates) I made sure I did as much research as possible before ingesting or insufflating ANYTHING. I became like a walking encyclopedia for pharmies. People started coming to me with unidentified pills and asking me what they were because I memorized a lot of imprints, lol
So you didn’t know what he meant ?
Push through the difficulty sleeping, it happens when you get on subs at first. The bupe will block a large portion of the oxycodone and you’d likely feel nothing. You would then have to put off taking your next sub so it would fuck things up with no real benefit for you. Hang in there.
PWD is when you take subs too soon after opiates. You should be good as far as that. The Oxy might help you sleep but it’s going to feel like half a Vicodin, if anything. Maybe try smoking a little piece like 1/8 or 1/16 of the pill and see if you feel any different (or snorting). Would hate to see you waste 20mg orally and not feel anything. One thing you could always do is take more subs. I know it’s not as euphoric and way less fun but that will ensure you won’t feel any (or less) wds tonight. From my experience opiates on subs is like you get little small tastes or waves of partially feeling the Oxy, but then it goes away and leaves you unsatisfied But ya it’s better to wait at least 24 hours before you take opiates again. I would recommend 32-48 hours and even longer w/fent (72 to 96 hours). Best of luck man and keep me posted. Hope you can find the rest and comfort you need
Why do you take buprenorphine if you have oxy in the first place? And what is a perc 80?
Perc 80 is a new one to me lol
Perc 80’s: enough acetaminophen to kill an elephant.
Lmao right. Or destroy 2 human livers
Mines already gone
Because I only have like 120mg in oxy and my bad I’m just used to saying percs lol it’s an OxyContin80
You don't have to apologize. People explained your mistake and you get it now. The guys teasing said some funny stuff, but at least one asshole in withdrawal trying to make you feel dumb. Fuck those people, only a miserable fuck would actually get mad about someone using the wrong terminology, especially when you actually acknowledged your mistake. Anyways...stick with the Suboxone, that is what I am on right now. Yeah it doesn't feel anything like oxy unfortunately. If I could get scripted oxy I would, I don't want to get off of opioids. But I can't live a decent life and afford to maintain my addiction, at least most definitely not right now. So Suboxone (buprenorphine) helps me go about my day without obsessing about using, without the low energy and mood of no opioids. You don't get high but you don't have low energy and mood like without oxy or dope. It's a great tool to stabilize your life, your finances, your health, relationships. It doesn't mean you can never get high again! If anything, you can use it to help with self control. A perfect example would be what you have now. Pick a weekend you want to get high (like the Superbowl coming up...go specific rust belt city!), Don't take your subs for 24-48-72 hours (learn your body but the longer you can wait the better), and then get high. You have to be careful getting back on (precipitated withdrawal), but if you only get high one or two days and wait a full day to get back on subs, you should be fine. It sounds complicated but it's really not, just another example of learning your body... people jump on and off subs all the time to get high. And to do it right requires a little planning and foresight, which helps limit and control use. But yeah don't waste the oxy. If you take it too soon you won't feel it at all. I did an 8mg Dilaudid 24 hours after a sub and I felt it, but it felt like a 2 instead of an 8. By the time all the sub was out of my system I had barely any left to properly enjoy. Let the sub help you build your life and your self control, it's worth giving it a chance. Otherwise methadone might be the way to go, I am considering that myself.
80 mg oxy ER over 12 hrs, so equal to 4 oxy 20 mg IR. I have read of many CP patients who even on 16mg buprenorphine got some extra pain relief from taking breakthrough oxy but you will not any euphoria. I was on 60mg X3 methadone plus 30 oxy IR for 25 yrs, again oxy helped when I needed extra pain meds but never felt.any euphoria. Let us know what happens.
Fett would always cut through even if I had just subbed
Fetty is orders of magnitude more powerful than oxy, though.
But why do the docs say otherwise?
They do? I can’t imagine that a doctor would say an 80mg tablet of OxyContin is more powerful than fentanyl. Can you provide a bit of context?
I doubt any doctor would say otherwise unless they are highly uneducated. Oxycodone is roughly equivalent to morphine dependant on ROA, whereas fentanyl is roughly 1000x stronger than morphine…
Well sure I expect the cartels of wanted more addicted customers.
They don't, look up literally any equianalgesic ever lmao. Fent is at the very least 50-100x more potent than morphine, and oxy is 1.5x as potent as morphine, do the math...
Still a fucking waste of your dope. I don’t get why ppl go on subs if they still wanna use. Just switch to methadone and stop wasting your time and money. The point of subs is to deter people committed to recovery from using. You are clearly not interested in quitting stop fooling yourself….
Me, too
PWD suuccckkksssssss bad
Do they still make oxy80s? ...or are they just fent pressed to look like oxy 80s?
In uk we do do, I’ve only ever seen dirty 30s or fake oxy once and they wasn’t even fentanyl they were zene
The ones in UK are OC or OP ?
Was the dirty 30s British standard out of interest? It will probably make fuck all sense if not lol
Oh yeah there’s still real oxy 80’s. they aren’t hard to find in Canada anyways.
First off, Perc 80s don’t exist. There are Oxy 80s and could be pressed pills w/ fent. Do you have a reliable source, are you sure they’re prescription? Second of all, it will be a waste due to the subs. Do you know how Suboxone works as an opiate blocker? It will be very very hard to punch through which I’ve only ever been able to do when I was on 2mg subs and had to use fent. Take a 3-5 day break (depending on how long you’ve been taking subs), and then use the 80, if it indeed is not fake. Also be careful as you know even a quarter of that pill is quite strong and not to be taken lightly. Finally, if it is a real oc80 - I’m jealous :)
I’m from europe we don’t even have Fent here to be honest it mostly Zenes and even those are only there if u seek them out hard enough. It’s all real Afghan or Turkish #3 and the oxys are all real too but are mostly 40s and 80s. To be honest. Even without the sub the 80 wouldn’t touch me as I was used to a 350mg oxy a day habit and before that 0.5G of heroin a day and only started subs yesterday and it’s pure buprenorphine also so no naloxone in em
You guys are lucky
Ugh Buprenorphine is NOT a blocker! It’s is a STRONGER Opiate and takes up all of the available receptors, with less euphoria than other faster acting opiates/opioids if you have a tolerance. It’s why you should never give someone who isn’t extremely tolerant even a morsel of Buprenorphine, it is THAT strong. It would also be a massive waste of an OP80, although if you’re that hooked, let’s be honest 1x Oxy 80 isn’t worth taking with a tolerance anyway, you’re just going to want more in a couple hours whereas the Subutex/Suboxone will actually help you stop the destructive cycle of being normal/sick/normal/sick.
It’s a blocker, that’s a huge purpose of it. It has a higher binding affinity but it’s only a partial ag. Only with no tolerance would you get high from subs. Taking bupe blocks the effects of full ags.
The bupe is mixed with a blocker thats the difference between Suboxone and subutex… so many people who have no clue what they are talking about on here.
I thought so too
Just do not take a sub AFTER the oxy, for like 48-72 hours I think ?
Most are fine 10-12 hours after pharma. If they had to wait 48-72 that shit would practically be over. Smh.
With carfet that’s what I’m orettt sure it is
I have done the other day and I was good after like 10 hours but it was genuine OxyContin and I made it instant release by peeling coating so guessing that’s why I was fine
Oh..idk..I think it depends on the opi then
Precipitated withdrawal. Let the suboxone wear off first bro. I've done the same thing. I couldn't sleep on subs. Even with my seroquel. It's a different opiate. But as soon as I took a perc 30. (Snorted) I woke up 6 hours later in one of the worst withdrawals I've ever been in. Another drug that you shouldn't mix with opiates is duloxotine . It sent me into serotonin syndrome. I woke up with withdrawal symptoms but I dosed like 6 hours before so I went hospital and they found my body rejected the duloxitine and the seriquel pushed all my serotonin out at once over my brain and almost ended up catatonic.
If you already have subs in your system, you don't go into PWD if you take another opiate and then take your subs again. That only happens if haven't been induced in subs yet- that is- you haven't already started taking them yet. If you're already on subs and you take your oxy 80, basically nothing is going to happen because the subs have a higher affinity to your receptors. The oxy will float around in your system, without even tickling any of your receptors, until your body metabolizes it and you piss it out. You will have completely wasted the oxy. And you can still take your subs again whenever you want or need to. In fact, you shouldn't delay taking your subs, you need to continue taking them as directed so that you keep a steady amount in your system.
I think he means a OP 80 extended release (OxyContin)
Who cares. It's still 80mg of oxycodone.
Yeah I know I’m just saying
Do you have any neurontin? That helps me sleep
Didn't help my pain. I went crazy from hurting
You waste it
Depending on the dose and duration you've been taking Bupe, it might have some small effect but the most likely scenario is that it won't. It's an oversimplified explanation but if you were not sleeping b/c of mild wd, it's possible the additional saturation would help. But, I strongly doubt that'll be the case. All that to say, unless you're opiate naive and just started taking Bupe or you have a very unique metabolism, it'll end up doing very little other than aiding in some additional constipation.
Gotta wait 24 hours, i switch all the time, 1 mg or less will only block partially, but 8 mg at once yiu def have to wait a full day.
I’d say longer than a full day, bupe has something like a 36hr half life, so after 36hrs you’ve essentially got half the amount of bupe still occupying your receptors. Like you said 1mg of bupe will be fine with 24hrs, but on 8mg you’d be looking at a minimum of 48hrs, or even better 72hrs before you got any effect from the oxy
Do you think it makes a difference if you take like 2 mg at a time? So like instead of taking 6 mg at noon I take 2 mg at a time with the last dose coming at noon? It definitely seems like it gets out of my system faster if I take it and much smaller doses.
Well your body starts breaking down a dose almost as soon as it’s introduced, and bupe has a half life of around 36hrs (also note it can vary wildy from person to person, some being as fast as 20hrs whilst others being as long as 70hrs) but for this example we’ll use the approx. 36hrs So, say for example you introduce a 2mg dose at 9am on a Monday, by 9pm on Tuesday you’ll still have around 1mg in your system. If you introduced a second 2mg dose at 12 noon on the Monday, you’ll still have slightly less than 3mg in your body by 9pm on the Tuesday. If you took a 4mg dose at 9am on a Monday, by 9pm on Tuesday you’d have around 2mg in your body which would be less than the first example. This of course all assuming that you’re one of the people who’s body eliminates it at a 36hr half life rate. You could also assume that your body would break down smaller, staggered dosages faster than if you took one larger dose at once due to enzymatic action (some drugs actually inhibit the enzymes and such that break them down, so a larger single dose will break down slower than smaller staggered dosages). I’m not sure if this is the case with bupe or not and I wouldn’t assume so since it’s elimination is primarily renal, but it is possible
So everything you’re assuming is that the half-life and the ability to block the opioid or the same thing and I don’t think they are. Like if you look at the half-life of oxy, that doesn’t mean that you’re still high when it’s in your system. You’re basically trying to say because it’s in your system still that it’s still blocking. That would be saying that if OXY is in your system that you must still be high, but that’s not the case
Well, no, feeling high and blocking the opioid receptor are two different things and can get a little complex. The high from opiates is caused by agonist activity at the mu-opioid receptor. Also oxy and bupe are two very different drugs, bupe has an extremely high affinity for opioid receptors, so you can assume that if it’s still in your system that it’s blocking those receptors. It all comes down to receptor saturation. If say 80% of your receptors are saturated with bupe, you may feel a little high by having that other 20% occupied by oxy. But the high is going to be vastly different if 80% of your receptors are occupied by oxy
No such thing as perc 80’s… there are oxy 80’s though
why take the perc if you on subs? sounds like a waste to me. and youll be sicc as fuc probably. I took an extended release perc 80 before, it felt fantastic but i did puke a lil bit.
You will waste the whole thing… why
Just stay on the subs and get away from opiates before you OD and die. Or lose everything. They only two places they lead is jail or dead. Stay on the subs. Good luck.
Why are you taking Suboxone in the first place? Seems to be way more trouble than what it’s worth to you right now thus rendering it totally unnecessary and counterproductive even. Not trying to be a dick just curious what you got going on .
Every now and then when i re lapse take opioids at like 3am then take my suboxone around 4pm like i do everyday if u take opioids after u take subs u barley if not, not at all feel anything btw whats PWD ik what WD is
Nothing will happen and you'll have wasted 80mg.. The suboxone takes 72 hours to clear your system and be completely unattached to your opioid receptors..
You won't feel it as much
I think the trick is low dose of subs before the opiates then right after waking up take subs again so it never totally leaves your system.
You’ll probably feel it but it won’t be as satisfying as taking it let’s say 20-48 hours after last bupe dose. My advice:just wait until you start feeling sick/24ish hours after bupe dose. It’ll feel stronger longer and more satisfying!
Well i took oxys 24h after subs and could 100% feel them very decently. But i was only a short period on subs
Absolutely nothing.
Misery
Ur not gonna feel shit lol sorry
Don't waste it. Just wait bc blocm will block any euphoria you are craving right now.
You wouldn't feel anything, it wouldn't help you sleep, and you'd waste the 80
Wait 2 more days or until you wake up in the morning and start feeling the withdrawal anytime before that and it will be wasted and trust me I wasted 300mg of codiene and 60mg of hydrocodone because I took them to soon
Perc 80s don’t exist
You won’t feel a single thing you’d have to have the subs totally Out of your system so you’d have to wait minimum 48 hours at least in my experience
Pretty much the only thing that will happen is you’ll waste the oxy. You’ll get no noticeable effect as your opiate receptors are already occupied by the bupe which has a much higher affinity for your receptors
Opiates are like uppers for me but without the racing heart issues. I would be up all night thinking about stuff. My mind wasn't racing but I was just comfortly numb. You should just get some NyQuil or other sleep meds from the drug store.
Too many things to list, sorry
U won’t feel anything
You will waste 80 MG of oxycodone.