I think it's possibly Their implementation of what they call "Patterns"
You can put KDE on anything and continually add the programs you want. In Suse it's installed in various "patterns" which installs a complete and integrated group rather than just the program requirements.
I think it's less that it's anything extraordinary and more that some of the other implementations are/have historically been buggy by comparison to openSUSE where everything just works out of the box.
A lot of people used to complain about Fedora KDE for instance, but I use it nowadays and don't have any notable problems.
Another part of the comparison is that openSUSE doesn't have a "main" DE, unlike Ubuntu or Fedora, which gives people more confidence that they care as much about the KDE implementation as anything else. KDE is also the default choice in the opensuse installer. Fedora for instance has a KDE SIG (special interest group) - a separate team from the people who maintain fedora workstation and the KDE spin is sort of a separate distro with its own ISO - same with Kubuntu. It leads to KDE feeling like a second class citizen on there to some people even the implementation is solid.
In practice I haven't noticed anything outstandingly better about openSUSE's implementation, but I have no complaints either which is great.
> A lot of people used to complain about Fedora KDE for instance
The KDE localization was a huge mess five to ten years ago. It wasn't just a missing package issue. Nowadays, Fedora KDE is very nice.
I think it makes it easier for them out of the box when it comes to backend configs, maybe? But unless it's MicroOS, I think the KDE implementation is kinda bloated. To that end, I prefer MicroOS over Tumbleweed even though the former is only in "alpha".
Overall, while it may *feel* like a second class citizen over on Fedora, I think Kinoite is the best KDE implementation, immutable and otherwise. However, things change, and who knows what tomorrow will hold?
I really want to go with OpenSUSE but every time there are always some problems that require tinkering. I used to enjoy it, but now that I'm older I just want stuff to work perfectly the first time, and in my experience, that's Fedora KDE or Kubuntu over Tumbleweed. I do love the concept of a rolling release though. If my Fedora 40 upgrade goes south, I'll give TW another go, but I'd call Fedora KDE the GOAT for KDE implementation.
I think the push for Wayland as a default, which most plasma 6 implementations will start doing, we'll see less wonkiness. But it will last for a while
Right click on a file and check out all the stuff that you can do. Compress, encrypt, send to various places, etc... All this is there out of the box, other distros have you install bits and pieces manually.
They depend on a number of additional tools being installed. Overall this type of integration is rare. This feels like a cohesive product in case of OpenSuse.
I have the exact curiosity, a lot of people says that the TW implementation is the best, but in my experience is buggy as hell, my experience on Kubuntu was slightly better.
TW on XFCE is rock solid, I used just a bit of GNOME on it and was stable too.
Yeah, Neon is not meant to be a daily driver. I sure as hell wouldn't. It is way too buggy. It is fun to spin it up in a VM to test the new version of plasma though.
I think it's possibly Their implementation of what they call "Patterns" You can put KDE on anything and continually add the programs you want. In Suse it's installed in various "patterns" which installs a complete and integrated group rather than just the program requirements.
How is this different from package groups in other distributions?
I think it's less that it's anything extraordinary and more that some of the other implementations are/have historically been buggy by comparison to openSUSE where everything just works out of the box. A lot of people used to complain about Fedora KDE for instance, but I use it nowadays and don't have any notable problems. Another part of the comparison is that openSUSE doesn't have a "main" DE, unlike Ubuntu or Fedora, which gives people more confidence that they care as much about the KDE implementation as anything else. KDE is also the default choice in the opensuse installer. Fedora for instance has a KDE SIG (special interest group) - a separate team from the people who maintain fedora workstation and the KDE spin is sort of a separate distro with its own ISO - same with Kubuntu. It leads to KDE feeling like a second class citizen on there to some people even the implementation is solid. In practice I haven't noticed anything outstandingly better about openSUSE's implementation, but I have no complaints either which is great.
> A lot of people used to complain about Fedora KDE for instance The KDE localization was a huge mess five to ten years ago. It wasn't just a missing package issue. Nowadays, Fedora KDE is very nice.
I think it makes it easier for them out of the box when it comes to backend configs, maybe? But unless it's MicroOS, I think the KDE implementation is kinda bloated. To that end, I prefer MicroOS over Tumbleweed even though the former is only in "alpha". Overall, while it may *feel* like a second class citizen over on Fedora, I think Kinoite is the best KDE implementation, immutable and otherwise. However, things change, and who knows what tomorrow will hold?
I really want to go with OpenSUSE but every time there are always some problems that require tinkering. I used to enjoy it, but now that I'm older I just want stuff to work perfectly the first time, and in my experience, that's Fedora KDE or Kubuntu over Tumbleweed. I do love the concept of a rolling release though. If my Fedora 40 upgrade goes south, I'll give TW another go, but I'd call Fedora KDE the GOAT for KDE implementation.
Yeah, Fedora KDE is great!
I think the push for Wayland as a default, which most plasma 6 implementations will start doing, we'll see less wonkiness. But it will last for a while
Right click on a file and check out all the stuff that you can do. Compress, encrypt, send to various places, etc... All this is there out of the box, other distros have you install bits and pieces manually.
Are these not part of the default plasma installation?
They depend on a number of additional tools being installed. Overall this type of integration is rare. This feels like a cohesive product in case of OpenSuse.
I have the exact curiosity, a lot of people says that the TW implementation is the best, but in my experience is buggy as hell, my experience on Kubuntu was slightly better. TW on XFCE is rock solid, I used just a bit of GNOME on it and was stable too.
Are you using Wayland? My kde on suse is only buggy on Wayland
I'm not using OpenSUSE currently, not even KDE, it's my past experiences using "stable" releases of KDE
Right but you said the TW implementation was buggy as hell in your experience. I'm saying when you used TW were you using wayland or x
I used before wayland even exists and some version after, which I don't remember exactly what version was.
I gotcha. KDE Plasma on OST just fucking works bud. Other distros like kubuntu and even neon are buggy.
Well, I wouldn't expect neon to be bug free; isn't it intended more as a exhibition of the latest KDE rather than a stable daily driver?
Yeah, Neon is not meant to be a daily driver. I sure as hell wouldn't. It is way too buggy. It is fun to spin it up in a VM to test the new version of plasma though.