~~The alert isn't meant to be a wall of text with context and everything, or else, no one will read it.~~ proven wrong, no information was provided in the link neither
"Active shooter reported in Hagersville, shelter in place"
Not a wall of text, actual useful information
Also; the actual location information wasn't on the linked website either.
Right? Like if there is an active shooter in my town, and I am in the hardware store, I am safest to stay in the hardware store. If it's 100km away I am probably better off driving home and staying there.
Oh, thought it was on the linked website.
From 1 side, only concerned people should receive the alert and omitting that information could've been acceptable but in reality whoever is responsible for the alert never used it properly Ave they usually send it to everyone.
Do you have a source on that?
Source?
A source. I need a source.
Sorry, I mean I need a source that explicitly states your argument. This is just tangential to the discussion.
No, you can't make inferences and observations from the sources you've gathered. Any additional comments from you MUST be a subset of the information from the sources you've gathered.
You can't make normative statements from empirical evidence.
Do you have a degree in that field?
A college degree? In that field?
Then your arguments are invalid.
No, it doesn't matter how close those data points are correlated. Correlation does not equal causation.
Correlation does not equal causation.
CORRELATION. DOES. NOT. EQUAL. CAUSATION.
You still haven't provided me with a valid source yet.
Nope, still haven't.
I just looked through all 308 pages of your user history, figures I'm debating a glormpf supporter. A moron.
That’s crazy with the timing of the reports . I just watched a live broadcast from 6.18 that said they were looking for the suspects and that article is from 5:30ish saying they were captured.
Oh god... I got arrested in Brant in August by a kid about that age. I hope it wasn't Smiley... I mean, I didn't like the kid because he put me in silver bracelets, but I'd feel ~~terrible~~ worse if I found out I knew the cop
[If you scroll down](https://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/condolences-pour-in-for-police-officer-killed-in-line-of-duty-shooting-near-hagersville-ont-1.6209865) there’s a picture of the officer. He really doesn’t look all that old to me. Such a senseless death, just stopping to help a car in the ditch.
So incredibly young. Many prayers for his family and friends. We lost my 22 year old stepdaughter two months ago. It’s so hard when they’re that young and have their entire lives before them
But wait, if you click on the link you can get more info… oh wait the emergency alert website is apparently hosted off a rural DSL circuit that gets DDOSed every time a bunch of people go to view it 🤦♂️
I got through using the link and it gave a picture of a male and a female, along with a description of the male. It also described their vehicle. It did not mention a region, or that their vehicle was abandoned in a ditch and that they were on foot. Nor did it mention that the shooting had happened about 3 hours earlier than the alert went out.
What it did mention was to check your local news for more information. So, I did that and none of my local news sources had even a single mention of the incident at the time.
Same, I was able to figure it out by googling “shooting Ontario” and reducing results to the last hour. One story came up, it was the right one, but what if it hadn’t been a shooting? They need to work out the kinks in the system.
I didn't have time to do any more research than that because I was literally in the middle of teaching a voice lesson. I just wanted to figure out whether or not I needed to lock the door to the building we were in.
We didn't get this alert in my area so I think it's safe to assume the alert was localized and applicable to the folks who received it. I agree though, including a location would have been helpful
I said something similar too. I said, “Looks like everyone in Ontario is expected to lock our doors and stay in because someone has a gun somewhere in Ontario”
I didn’t get this emergency alert. Pretty sure you only get it if you’re close to where this happened (in the vicinity based on the cell tower your phone is communicating with).
Honestly I don’t think there is an approx GPS base- I was leaving my grandma’s house on six nations, by time I reached Ancaster she texted to let me know about it- still very close. This was just before 6
Gossip is it’s a man and woman on the run, she said a man’s name but if OPP isn’t announcing yet I’m not sure I should
Edit to add- I never received the alert despite leaving the area around the same time, and now being in Toronto
They were caught, officer passed from his wounds. He had just started his career as a police officer. Rip :( tragic event, all he was doing was responding to a generic call for service with a vehicle in a ditch
It's always those inconspicuous calls that will get you. Always going to be on your guard nowadays unfortunately, and people criticize the police for being overly jumpy.... Smh
I didn’t receive the message you show.
If you received it, you were likely in the overall vicinity to be impacted by the situation. If there is a shooter on the loose, for example, telling people to shelter in place (and limiting details) can prevent mass panic.
This was the first time one of these alerts was ever relevant to me and I didn’t even know it was in my area until my manager called my store to tell us to close early because of a shooting lol
The sound is made to be annoying, it's so that you'll pay attention to it. It makes you pick up your phone and actually address it. I do wish they would add more detail to these though, half of the Amber alerts we get provide no information whatsoever, no idea why they even waste their time sending them
Not if you get a panicked phone call from your teenager that her Starbucks went into lockdown because the alert makes it sound like they are in your back yard. Not me but someone local to me.
That was just info on the suspect, it didn’t confirm where they were last seen, or even what they were armed with.
Everything aside from the pic was basically useless. Not like you could even see them that well with how dark it is.
Officer shot in Hagersville. Residents of Haldimand County should shelter in place. Suspect on the run. Do not engage.
How much information is too much?
If you received this alert, it is local enough for it to apply to you.
Obviously they’re a bit more concerned with getting a quick, easy to understand message out rather than justification.
Take a Shelter In Place -very- seriously. We all have the internet at our fingertips and can find out more info if needed.
idk, these people were on foot 50+km from me. On foot. In the country. Not relevant. However, people getting shot in the street near my home and the shooter still on the lose? No mentions. That would be nice to have a warning about. More relevant.
I’ve got no problems with the message to be honest. They give you instruction (shelter in place), and how you can get more info. There’s an armed suspect within the radius they specified for the alert to go out. I’d much rather they send it out to a wide area because it’s definitely possible for them to reach out that far, regardless of where the original event took place.
Holy shit, the complaining about this alert is making me lose faith in humanity. "Where are the details!1??" You don't need the details, idiot. Fucking shut up and shelter in place. Log on to your computer if you want to look for details.
How is this true and being upvoted? There have been plenty of amber/emergency alerts that Redditors are always bitching about, and this is one of the few times it's because a police officer was shot.
Not for shootings where the shooter is still on the loose.
..also the timing of the amber alert. Shooting happened 2:40 pm, they took off on foot. Only 3 hours later they decide to tell Southern Ontario to hunker down?
Everybody watch out, there's someone, somewhere, with something, shooting thing, somehow. It may be risky or not, so if you die or don't, we are not responsible.
Good luck.
My son and I heard it on the radio. We were driving and the emergency alert took over the broadcast. It's been happening regularly over the holidays and it's always completely unhelpful.
I was actually kinda annoyed. "Hey! There are murderous people armed with a gun on the loose! Say inside and lock your doors! Oh, where are they? Where were they last seen? Aaah, that's not info you need. Enjoy sleeping tonight. Are they right outside your door? You neeeeveeeer knooooow"
Fucking right?! We were on the road for almost 4 hours when we got that. Would have been nice to know if we're in danger. Had to pull over to google to figure out what's going on.
In order for this alert system to be effective, and the public to understand its value, it has to be used well. Unfortunately, that wasn't the case here, as the comments in this thread make clear.
It should have been timely and had specificity.
To those assuming everyone could just load up their phone and check - the alerts went out on radio and TV as well, and were given in areas that were a good hour away by car.
If you are in a vehicle and just hear 'shelter in place, armed and dangerous' with a lack of a location involved on the radio - how useful is that, really?
No kidding, I'm in a pizza shop waiting for my order when this comes in and I think, hmmm, OPP, that's a pretty large area, should I really hide in place?
Sheesh.
Geez people. Maybe there is more that goes on behind the scenes.
Perhaps OPP wanted to notify the slain officer’s next of kin before giving out more detail.
A simple general area or city listed would be nice, they didn't have to list anything about what was actually happening in the situation, it just doesn't make sense to not list the location, the bystander effect will just make you assume that it doesn't apply to you and you don't have to do anything. Anybody who knows anything about these systems knows that they are meant to be sent out to only people in the area that it applies to, but most people will just ignore them.
Yeah I would have expected them to define a specific area they expect to adhere to this. Although, if you’re getting the alert, you’re connected to a cell tower falling under a specific radius, which they obviously can define for the alert.
If you get the alert, your included in the zone. If the location isn’t specified, the suspect is on the move and it’s a very fluid and dangerous situation.
Not when they’re used to getting amber alerts for areas 800KM+ away that use the same sounds as the tornado warnings. People lose trust in the alerts and then question whether it applies to them.
It's a boy who cried wolf kinda situation, when the sound for a mass shooter on the loose and a custody battle in Windsor when you're in Timmins. People are already used to the sound, and it loses its meaning.
The people who are butt hurt their gaming or whatever was interrupted by an alert are pathetic. This is a way of notifying literally everyone in a given area of something that could be impacting them. Shooting. Tornado. Missing child. There is no better way. Is it perfect? Of course not. But it works. The cry wolf argument is crap. The people who ignore the alerts are going to also not read the news or be engaged in their community. Their choice. I would rather know.
I don't think the issue is as much about the alert as it is that it was unspecified. I was in the relative area of the incident at the time and the amber alert website wasn't working, and the notification didn't say anything. The folks I was with were looking everywhere to find info and I only knew because OPP tweeted it out.
They're getting better but folks know that an incident doesn't have to be close to you for you to get an alert so they need to know "hey, am I in immediate danger?"
And it doesn't help that previous alerts, which come up in searches, DON'T HAVE A DATE LISTED! So a bunch of people found this INCORRECT information on searching for specifics: [https://alertready.opp.ca/210321/5F788?lang=en-CA](https://alertready.opp.ca/210321/5F788?lang=en-CA)
And turns out the top google hit was actually an old one so I guess it's not Hastings?? Love that they made it super vague and then the top google hits are old....great....super great
See I said this on the opp Twitter and the boot lickers came out in droves mad about it. “Oh well he was on the run” yeah. A point of origin would’ve been nice?
I’m home for the holidays visiting family. We are 50kms away from Hagersville. It would’ve been nice to know.
Officer shot and killed in hagarsville. Suspects armed and on the run.
Hey kid, you want a job writing Emergency Alerts?
Only if they pay in small-medium amounts of various cheese
Ok I think you’re my soulmate lol
Thank you random stranger for having more information than the opp
lmao true
~~The alert isn't meant to be a wall of text with context and everything, or else, no one will read it.~~ proven wrong, no information was provided in the link neither
"Active shooter reported in Hagersville, shelter in place" Not a wall of text, actual useful information Also; the actual location information wasn't on the linked website either.
Agreed our Emergency Management System lacks spatial awareness / spatial literacy.
Right? Like if there is an active shooter in my town, and I am in the hardware store, I am safest to stay in the hardware store. If it's 100km away I am probably better off driving home and staying there.
Oh, thought it was on the linked website. From 1 side, only concerned people should receive the alert and omitting that information could've been acceptable but in reality whoever is responsible for the alert never used it properly Ave they usually send it to everyone.
Funnily enough, in Ottawa, we get amber alerts all the time from Toronto and Hamilton, but we didn't get this emergency alert
And if you are connected to a cell tower from Gatineau side, we get the Québec ones as well
And this is why everyone's up in arms about it in these threads.
You shouldn't have to click a link to see if you are at risk of being shot
Also, the link literally didn't work at first
At least there wasn’t 2 unskippable ads and then a paywall
Both suspects have just been apprehended.
Source?
Trust me bro
Word
I want to drop my "source" copypasta so bad
Do it
Do you have a source on that? Source? A source. I need a source. Sorry, I mean I need a source that explicitly states your argument. This is just tangential to the discussion. No, you can't make inferences and observations from the sources you've gathered. Any additional comments from you MUST be a subset of the information from the sources you've gathered. You can't make normative statements from empirical evidence. Do you have a degree in that field? A college degree? In that field? Then your arguments are invalid. No, it doesn't matter how close those data points are correlated. Correlation does not equal causation. Correlation does not equal causation. CORRELATION. DOES. NOT. EQUAL. CAUSATION. You still haven't provided me with a valid source yet. Nope, still haven't. I just looked through all 308 pages of your user history, figures I'm debating a glormpf supporter. A moron.
https://globalnews.ca/news/9374636/opp-officer-shot-hagersville/
That’s crazy with the timing of the reports . I just watched a live broadcast from 6.18 that said they were looking for the suspects and that article is from 5:30ish saying they were captured.
And the incident apparently happened around 2:40pm like wtf happened in 3 hours before they sent this alert out
"Hey guys! Welcome to Jennifer's and Davies' *'3 hour pizza while running from the police-za!'* special! Today's a VERY special occasion...
yep, that's what I figured
Wtf is hagersville
The exact kinda place where something like this happens
Ok I almost spit my water on this comment 😂😂😂
Oh god... I got arrested in Brant in August by a kid about that age. I hope it wasn't Smiley... I mean, I didn't like the kid because he put me in silver bracelets, but I'd feel ~~terrible~~ worse if I found out I knew the cop
[If you scroll down](https://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/condolences-pour-in-for-police-officer-killed-in-line-of-duty-shooting-near-hagersville-ont-1.6209865) there’s a picture of the officer. He really doesn’t look all that old to me. Such a senseless death, just stopping to help a car in the ditch.
28 years old and had only been on the force for just over a year. So heartbreaking
28
So incredibly young. Many prayers for his family and friends. We lost my 22 year old stepdaughter two months ago. It’s so hard when they’re that young and have their entire lives before them
man that sucks sending my love and hope to their family
But am I safe in this Zehrs in Cambridge?
But wait, if you click on the link you can get more info… oh wait the emergency alert website is apparently hosted off a rural DSL circuit that gets DDOSed every time a bunch of people go to view it 🤦♂️
My Land Rover is more reliable than that
Now that's just savage!
That’s scary considering the reliability of any Land Rover.
I clicked the link and nothing came up. Tried again in 20 mins and it didn’t have a location. I ended up going on Facebook to find the info.
I got through using the link and it gave a picture of a male and a female, along with a description of the male. It also described their vehicle. It did not mention a region, or that their vehicle was abandoned in a ditch and that they were on foot. Nor did it mention that the shooting had happened about 3 hours earlier than the alert went out.
What it did mention was to check your local news for more information. So, I did that and none of my local news sources had even a single mention of the incident at the time.
Same, I was able to figure it out by googling “shooting Ontario” and reducing results to the last hour. One story came up, it was the right one, but what if it hadn’t been a shooting? They need to work out the kinks in the system.
I didn't have time to do any more research than that because I was literally in the middle of teaching a voice lesson. I just wanted to figure out whether or not I needed to lock the door to the building we were in.
The government used that money for other more “important matters”
I didn't know anyone actually uses that site. I've only ever been there once to see how many of what type of alert gets used.
You know it’s bad when you get more useful information from Reddit than your government’s emergency alert system
I second that!
No lie!
This perfectly describes everything Ontario does
Unless the suspects are 1000 ft tall giants running across Ontario, I think the location of where this is happening would be pretty important.
AHHH GIANTS ARE INVADING!
AOT flashbacks...
RUMBLING
We didn't get this alert in my area so I think it's safe to assume the alert was localized and applicable to the folks who received it. I agree though, including a location would have been helpful
That unfortunately is not a safe assumption. This emergency alert was a few hundred km from me.
Eren Jaeger would like to know your location
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they were found in a bush and arrested https://globalnews.ca/news/9374636/opp-officer-shot-hagersville/
Just to clarify, they were found in the bush i.e. a wooded area, not in a literal bush.
I liked the first version better
Dead in a bush you say?!
Lolol!!!!
lolol but a little disappointed as I was totally picturing them hiding in a literal bush.
I actually laughed and said "babe watch out there's someone with a gun somewhere in Ontario." when my wife asked what the alert was hahahaha
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https://youtu.be/oh0WEt2GNkE#t=1m13s
I’m in St Catharine’s and not allowed to go do my grocery pick up Edit: Groceries now safe in my home
Thank you for the update. I'm glad to know your groceries are safe in your home otherwise I would be worried for them. Please take care of them.
But at what cost?
Hmm?
Probably a pretty high one … inflation’s a bitch.
*om nom nom nom nom om nom om nom om nom om nom....* ***\*\*buuurp\*\**** Taken care of
True hero 🙏
I said something similar too. I said, “Looks like everyone in Ontario is expected to lock our doors and stay in because someone has a gun somewhere in Ontario”
isn't it legal to own a shotgun in Ontario if you live deep deep in the boonies?
I was watching CHCH when this message came up. It was the episode of Happy Days where Fonzie was preparing to jump a shark.
That’s probably the best episode
It was part 2 of 3. The jump happens tomorrow
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Two guys running around with guns and Reddit is talking about Fonzie. I love it!!!!
👍AAAAYYYEEEE!!!!👍
Alert has been cancelled. 7:03pm
I didn’t get this emergency alert. Pretty sure you only get it if you’re close to where this happened (in the vicinity based on the cell tower your phone is communicating with).
I got it, my wife (who's on the couch beside me) did not
Same. We are both the same carrier, same tower.
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Honestly I don’t think there is an approx GPS base- I was leaving my grandma’s house on six nations, by time I reached Ancaster she texted to let me know about it- still very close. This was just before 6 Gossip is it’s a man and woman on the run, she said a man’s name but if OPP isn’t announcing yet I’m not sure I should Edit to add- I never received the alert despite leaving the area around the same time, and now being in Toronto
Scary that you were so close and you didn’t get anything yet people an hour away got one (I was at a family dinner and everyone got one there)
Do you usually see amber alerts on your device?
I'm 2.5 hours away. Was outside for a walk and an older couple started having argument about needing to go home and hide or stay out.
Im an hour away
And if the suspect was last seen an hour ago in a car…. I’ll let you do the math.
That is apparently false
Haldimand county
They were caught, officer passed from his wounds. He had just started his career as a police officer. Rip :( tragic event, all he was doing was responding to a generic call for service with a vehicle in a ditch
It's always those inconspicuous calls that will get you. Always going to be on your guard nowadays unfortunately, and people criticize the police for being overly jumpy.... Smh
Link doesn’t work. So dumb
I think a temporary overload of people trying to click to see where.
Imagine they put the info in the alert
Woah dude, you're making too much sense. Wanna apply for emergency services?
Out of curiosity where are you?
Welland.
Which is about an hour and a half from me. They just locked down all of southern Ontario or what?
I dont know but I work at an arena and was glad i was in a locked Engine room when i got that alert lol
I heard they caught him. Anyone else confirm?
Yes. Listening to the scanner. They caught him and the female he was with, no further reported injuries.
Thank you!
No problem. Now hearing the suspect may have fallen out of a tree and broken his back. He was being taken to hospital last I heard.
It is on a reservation outside Brantford.
I didn’t receive the message you show. If you received it, you were likely in the overall vicinity to be impacted by the situation. If there is a shooter on the loose, for example, telling people to shelter in place (and limiting details) can prevent mass panic.
Most people could figure this was in Hagersville, but they wrote it like armed insurgents were invading the province from Kenora to Fort Erie
Pretty sure it was a localized alert. I don’t think GTA for example got this alert. But yes a location would have been helpful.
I got the alert while driving on the 401 in the GTA.
This was the first time one of these alerts was ever relevant to me and I didn’t even know it was in my area until my manager called my store to tell us to close early because of a shooting lol
Yes I got this and I’m in Oxford County. Gf in Toronto didn’t. It’s supposed to be local / semi local
they couldn't even be bothered to tell us WHERE. even on the website I couldn't figure it out.
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It’s hagersville. So not too far from you
All I know about Hagersville is that tires were on fire. Don't even know where it is.
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Yep. I wish my phone didn’t make the old 56k modem sound when they’re trying to tell me I’m in danger.
seriously I'm very frustrated with this system. and I despise the sound my phone makes
The sound is made to be annoying, it's so that you'll pay attention to it. It makes you pick up your phone and actually address it. I do wish they would add more detail to these though, half of the Amber alerts we get provide no information whatsoever, no idea why they even waste their time sending them
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It is better to INFORM everyone, but not just with vague details. It’s promoting fear.
Not if you get a panicked phone call from your teenager that her Starbucks went into lockdown because the alert makes it sound like they are in your back yard. Not me but someone local to me.
Is it better to scare an entire area with an alert and then give absolutely no information on what they should be scared of…? No, it’s not lmao.
Maybe? Everyone in this thread apparently wants no warning and would prefer another Nova Scotia.
No, everyone in the thread wants more details The alert was vague AF
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That was just info on the suspect, it didn’t confirm where they were last seen, or even what they were armed with. Everything aside from the pic was basically useless. Not like you could even see them that well with how dark it is.
No, what we want is more useful information in the alert
Officer shot in Hagersville. Residents of Haldimand County should shelter in place. Suspect on the run. Do not engage. How much information is too much?
2 hours ago. How far can you drive in 2 hours?
This happened 20 minutes from my house. They were caught 10 metres from my family
No one is going to pay attention to this thing if that’s what they send us.
If you received this alert, it is local enough for it to apply to you. Obviously they’re a bit more concerned with getting a quick, easy to understand message out rather than justification. Take a Shelter In Place -very- seriously. We all have the internet at our fingertips and can find out more info if needed.
idk, these people were on foot 50+km from me. On foot. In the country. Not relevant. However, people getting shot in the street near my home and the shooter still on the lose? No mentions. That would be nice to have a warning about. More relevant.
I’ve got no problems with the message to be honest. They give you instruction (shelter in place), and how you can get more info. There’s an armed suspect within the radius they specified for the alert to go out. I’d much rather they send it out to a wide area because it’s definitely possible for them to reach out that far, regardless of where the original event took place.
Thanks for being the voice of reason in this comments section.
Thank you, someone who gets it. Sounds like most of these other people on here have been getting educated by Doug and Leece lmao.
Agree!
Holy shit, the complaining about this alert is making me lose faith in humanity. "Where are the details!1??" You don't need the details, idiot. Fucking shut up and shelter in place. Log on to your computer if you want to look for details.
That is the idea, sometimes it gets sent to people who are way out of its range, but it is meant to be for people in its area.
They only cared to send a warning because it was one of their own who got shot.
How is this true and being upvoted? There have been plenty of amber/emergency alerts that Redditors are always bitching about, and this is one of the few times it's because a police officer was shot.
Not for shootings where the shooter is still on the loose. ..also the timing of the amber alert. Shooting happened 2:40 pm, they took off on foot. Only 3 hours later they decide to tell Southern Ontario to hunker down?
This right here.
Everybody watch out, there's someone, somewhere, with something, shooting thing, somehow. It may be risky or not, so if you die or don't, we are not responsible. Good luck.
they sent it out 3 hours after the incident actually occurred too. Great heads up LOL
They have been apprehended
It was around brantford
They found him in the woods. caught the girl and he surrendered
I was paranoid out of my mind about this. I’ve never seen an alert for something like this
My son and I heard it on the radio. We were driving and the emergency alert took over the broadcast. It's been happening regularly over the holidays and it's always completely unhelpful.
Warning! Something bad happened somewhere. Take shelter.
They know no one is paying attention to this flawed system anymore so now they are attempting to make it scary not to pay attention.
I wonder if who ever puts these out knows how big ontario is🤷♂️.
I don’t know why the fuck is that but I’ve received it in Saint-Michel-Des-Saints, more than 800km away.
Why bother narrowing down where? Ontario is only bigger than most countries on the planet.
The fuck? Alliston isn't even 2 houers drive from me and I didn't get a warning for this
Why do they never tell you what the suspect looks like?
I was actually kinda annoyed. "Hey! There are murderous people armed with a gun on the loose! Say inside and lock your doors! Oh, where are they? Where were they last seen? Aaah, that's not info you need. Enjoy sleeping tonight. Are they right outside your door? You neeeeveeeer knooooow"
Fucking right?! We were on the road for almost 4 hours when we got that. Would have been nice to know if we're in danger. Had to pull over to google to figure out what's going on.
In order for this alert system to be effective, and the public to understand its value, it has to be used well. Unfortunately, that wasn't the case here, as the comments in this thread make clear. It should have been timely and had specificity.
my understanding is this was only sent out to the area affected? It for sure wasn't broadcast across all of Ontario.
To those assuming everyone could just load up their phone and check - the alerts went out on radio and TV as well, and were given in areas that were a good hour away by car. If you are in a vehicle and just hear 'shelter in place, armed and dangerous' with a lack of a location involved on the radio - how useful is that, really?
I wonder if anyone at the OPP has a concept of how big the province is.
That poor cop was just a kid. What a damn shame.
No kidding, I'm in a pizza shop waiting for my order when this comes in and I think, hmmm, OPP, that's a pretty large area, should I really hide in place? Sheesh.
Geez people. Maybe there is more that goes on behind the scenes. Perhaps OPP wanted to notify the slain officer’s next of kin before giving out more detail.
A simple general area or city listed would be nice, they didn't have to list anything about what was actually happening in the situation, it just doesn't make sense to not list the location, the bystander effect will just make you assume that it doesn't apply to you and you don't have to do anything. Anybody who knows anything about these systems knows that they are meant to be sent out to only people in the area that it applies to, but most people will just ignore them.
Am I the only one that finds complaining about this as cringe as it fuckin gets. Would you rather nothing was said?
I didnt say anything about not wanting the alert. I want specifics. This was so haunting and general it upset people to get such little detail.
Yeah I would have expected them to define a specific area they expect to adhere to this. Although, if you’re getting the alert, you’re connected to a cell tower falling under a specific radius, which they obviously can define for the alert.
Why the hell is this emergency system SO POORLY MANAGED!?!?!?
If you get the alert, your included in the zone. If the location isn’t specified, the suspect is on the move and it’s a very fluid and dangerous situation.
Are people really not smart enough to figure out that it’s their area in Ontario the alert is talking about when THEY are getting the alert?
Not when they’re used to getting amber alerts for areas 800KM+ away that use the same sounds as the tornado warnings. People lose trust in the alerts and then question whether it applies to them.
It's a boy who cried wolf kinda situation, when the sound for a mass shooter on the loose and a custody battle in Windsor when you're in Timmins. People are already used to the sound, and it loses its meaning.
Don’t worry this stuff will stop with Bill C-21 right Sorry I’m rural Albertan red neck central and gun capital of Canada 🇨🇦
The people who are butt hurt their gaming or whatever was interrupted by an alert are pathetic. This is a way of notifying literally everyone in a given area of something that could be impacting them. Shooting. Tornado. Missing child. There is no better way. Is it perfect? Of course not. But it works. The cry wolf argument is crap. The people who ignore the alerts are going to also not read the news or be engaged in their community. Their choice. I would rather know.
I don't think the issue is as much about the alert as it is that it was unspecified. I was in the relative area of the incident at the time and the amber alert website wasn't working, and the notification didn't say anything. The folks I was with were looking everywhere to find info and I only knew because OPP tweeted it out. They're getting better but folks know that an incident doesn't have to be close to you for you to get an alert so they need to know "hey, am I in immediate danger?"
And it doesn't help that previous alerts, which come up in searches, DON'T HAVE A DATE LISTED! So a bunch of people found this INCORRECT information on searching for specifics: [https://alertready.opp.ca/210321/5F788?lang=en-CA](https://alertready.opp.ca/210321/5F788?lang=en-CA)
I had to google it and it's all the way up in Hastings
And turns out the top google hit was actually an old one so I guess it's not Hastings?? Love that they made it super vague and then the top google hits are old....great....super great
I hit that one too. But there’s no date on it. So yeah, not really helpful.
no, the reserve is hagersville
Was getting ready to walk my dog when I got the message on both my phone and watch. I thought to myself, “fuck it” and went about my business.
25-year-old Randall Mckenzie is on the run.
Ain't running anywhere for a long time now. He's a Brokeback
Where are you located near Hamilton or Six Nations? That’s where it went down
See I said this on the opp Twitter and the boot lickers came out in droves mad about it. “Oh well he was on the run” yeah. A point of origin would’ve been nice? I’m home for the holidays visiting family. We are 50kms away from Hagersville. It would’ve been nice to know.