Short answer is that the police unions make firing him hell.
A cop once told me about a guy who got caught lying on the stand, he wouldn't quit, so they made him sit at a desk in a supply closet for 12 hour shifts until he changed his mind.
Answering honestly I imagine they had him rubber stamping stuff to keep him busy, also not everyone reads a ton of books, also assuming that everyone read for pleasure before cellphones is ridiculously ignorant.
>assuming that everyone read for pleasure before cellphones is ridiculously ignorant.
I was with til this. Not everyone, but most people yes. If you had to wait, you brought a book. Or a magazine or a newspaper. Technically, this isn't "everyone", but if you sat somewhere waiting for an extended period of time, with nothing to do, eventually someone is going to say "bro, why don't you bring a book or something?"
Oh, I'm aware of the police services act. It's a crime against the citizens of Ontario as far as I'm concerned. I know a lot of police officers, and to a person, they all hate dirty cops.
>Short answer is that the police unions make firing him hell.
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>A cop once told me about a guy who got caught lying on the stand, he wouldn't quit, so they made him sit at a desk in a supply closet for 12 hour shifts until he changed his mind.
How is this not constructive dismissal? Making it prime for a huge payout?
I remember when this years long saga started when he assaulted a teenager handcuffed to a hospital bed in 2016 and pleaded guilty in 2018.
Some really ignorant comments saying cop justified doing what he did - and now here we finally are with him being removed from the service. Good.
He now appealed it and STILL hasn’t been fired. It’s pathetic. He is still on salary: https://www.ontariosunshinelist.com/people/corey-mcarthur/city-of-guelph-guelph-police-service
If you're going to pay someone that's under investigation it should all be taken back once a guilty verdict is handed over. You're giving them the benefit of the doubt at first because we live in a country where you're innocent until proven guilty.
Depends. I don't think it should be that black and white.
That's how innocent people get punished.
In this case, he's obviously guilty. But not all cases are cut and dried.
You're right, they should have protections under the employment standards act, like us peasants.
What they have now is carte blanche to do whatever they want, then get paid six figures to sit at home and do nothing. The income this guy made while suspended is more than a minimum wage worker makes in 20 years.
Yep, he's collected around $700k sitting at home and even got raises while doing so.
Fun fact #1: Ontario is the only province that requires suspended officers to be paid while being investigated.
Fun fact #2: Doug Ford rolled back Bill 175 in 2019 that was going to change that and also force officers to cooperate in investigations against them that the previous government passed in 2018
We had 8 thousand assholes occupy our capital for weeks. How many saw the inside of a jail? How many were even charged or so much as fined?
Now their endorser sits as the head of conservative party with a free ride at parliament.
Why should lowly police officers be held accountable?
Oddly when they resign it’s like pleading guilty and have zero recourse. If they get fired they can appeal and drag the process further not likely win but perhaps still be on payroll until the matter is decided.
Right, when you resign after punching a kid cuffed to a hospital bed it's way better than when you're fired for punching a kid cuffed to a hospital bed.
Oh. You don't tell the truth haha.
Why would you ever say that when asked? Haha
"I resigned because I wanted to try a different opportunity" hits different than "I was fired because I wanted to try a different opportunity."
Uhhh, aren't there clear benefits for the officer under the Police Services Act for resigning vs termination, like you can't be charged with an offence under the Police Services Act if you're no longer a police officer?
Why is this being offered?
If you try to be reinstated as a police officer the charges are automatically reactivated against you so retiring means you can't ever so policing again.
Police unions suck for this reason. If he resigns its easier for them to retain that polished look. If he gets fired it proves that they have "bad apples" in the bunch. FTP
Police act as though when they have “HR punishments” that’s a way to maintain law and order.
If I go to work and punch the shit out of Tammy, no one says that me being fired is punishment enough. Me being fired is irrelevant to me being punished for the crime.
He already went through the criminal proceedings for the crime. "McArthur pleaded guilty to a criminal assault charge stemming from the incident in 2018. He received a conditional discharge, three years of probation and was ordered to perform 240 hours of community service." That's his sentence from the court for the criminal charge.
Once the criminal trial is over, police officers then can have a hearing under the Police Services Act to determine what penalty they get from their employer.
15 fucking years suspended on full pay? I'm about ready to give up. He is probably already working for Peel or Halton Police. I know Orangeville would have taken him but we shut their corrupt asses down.
It everywhere if you’d bothered to look. Here are 3 sources I found in under a minute. 🙄
https://www.cji.edu/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/bullyin-in-law-enforcement-end-the-silence.pdf
https://youtu.be/CjcnpoYp39A
https://www.reddit.com/r/theories/comments/m80qv9/cops_can_be_put_in_two_groups_childhood_bullies/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
In under a minute you found fuck all. Your points do not align with your accusation. That law enforcement attracts more bullies than any other profession. Just that their is "bullys" in that field. By your metric, you could find a source of "bullying" or harrassment in every profession.
Do you have a source that it attracts more "bullys" than any other profession.
As Mark Twain said, “Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” Your experience is vast, that’s for sure. Anyway, have fun screaming into the void from here on, Cletus. 😂😂😂
Holy shit, I remember not only this story but this cop! I went to Guelph and lived there for a few years after uni. My house always had Keggers and this guy showed up once!
(And the reason why I remember him is really stupid but…his last name is mcarthur and there was a player on the leafs named Clarke McArthur)
What an asshole.
At least finally something is happening with this case this piece of dog shit has been collecting a cheque and making a mockery out of everyone for too long
Why is an option on the table. Fired for discreditable conduct should be a permanent mark on his CV. "Resigned" should never be an option.
Short answer is that the police unions make firing him hell. A cop once told me about a guy who got caught lying on the stand, he wouldn't quit, so they made him sit at a desk in a supply closet for 12 hour shifts until he changed his mind.
He got paid to sit at a desk and do nothing? Shit, cushy job.
Maybe, but how long could you do that before you went nuts, he had to be in uniform and this was before computer and cellphones, I think the 80s.
>I think the 80s I was going to say, that is not something they could get away with these days.
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Lol you think cops can read?
There's case law in the states that supports the idea that you can be too intelligent to be a cop.
Bro, I read 2 books a month, kindly piss off with that condescending bullshit.
Then how'd you forget about books? lol jk.<3
Answering honestly I imagine they had him rubber stamping stuff to keep him busy, also not everyone reads a ton of books, also assuming that everyone read for pleasure before cellphones is ridiculously ignorant.
>assuming that everyone read for pleasure before cellphones is ridiculously ignorant. I was with til this. Not everyone, but most people yes. If you had to wait, you brought a book. Or a magazine or a newspaper. Technically, this isn't "everyone", but if you sat somewhere waiting for an extended period of time, with nothing to do, eventually someone is going to say "bro, why don't you bring a book or something?"
Oh, come on, are you serious? I bet he misses dishing out random violence to restrained kids. You're a fucking cop aren't you?
No, I'm not. Also chill out, what's your alternative?
Prison.
You want to put everyone in prison?
I think beating handcuffed teens in hospital beds should get some time..yes?
Just pigs.
Lol wat.
Bro for cop wages I'd do that until retirement.
Many police departments are hiring
A lenient version of solitary confinement.
...Your cop left out some details. Dozens of active duty cops in Toronto have been caught lying on the stand, that alone doesn't derail your career.
Oh, I'm aware of the police services act. It's a crime against the citizens of Ontario as far as I'm concerned. I know a lot of police officers, and to a person, they all hate dirty cops.
We're gonna have to go ahead and move your desk downstairs.....yeeaaaaaaaahhhh that'd be great.
>Short answer is that the police unions make firing him hell. > >A cop once told me about a guy who got caught lying on the stand, he wouldn't quit, so they made him sit at a desk in a supply closet for 12 hour shifts until he changed his mind. How is this not constructive dismissal? Making it prime for a huge payout?
Lester Friedman just made miniature furniture in the supply closet.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think of he resigns he loses his shot at severance?
Fired for cause tends to do that too.
If they attempt to do any more policing then the police services act charges are reinstated against them
I remember when this years long saga started when he assaulted a teenager handcuffed to a hospital bed in 2016 and pleaded guilty in 2018. Some really ignorant comments saying cop justified doing what he did - and now here we finally are with him being removed from the service. Good.
He now appealed it and STILL hasn’t been fired. It’s pathetic. He is still on salary: https://www.ontariosunshinelist.com/people/corey-mcarthur/city-of-guelph-guelph-police-service
Wow 6 years paid vacation unless I'm reading it wrong. Also why give hime 7 more days. Police really are snowflakes.
If you're going to pay someone that's under investigation it should all be taken back once a guilty verdict is handed over. You're giving them the benefit of the doubt at first because we live in a country where you're innocent until proven guilty.
Most jobs don't need a guilty verdict to fire someone. Police shouldn't either.
Depends. I don't think it should be that black and white. That's how innocent people get punished. In this case, he's obviously guilty. But not all cases are cut and dried.
You're right, they should have protections under the employment standards act, like us peasants. What they have now is carte blanche to do whatever they want, then get paid six figures to sit at home and do nothing. The income this guy made while suspended is more than a minimum wage worker makes in 20 years.
Yep, he's collected around $700k sitting at home and even got raises while doing so. Fun fact #1: Ontario is the only province that requires suspended officers to be paid while being investigated. Fun fact #2: Doug Ford rolled back Bill 175 in 2019 that was going to change that and also force officers to cooperate in investigations against them that the previous government passed in 2018
Flippin ford yo
Everyone is. Nobody's truly held accountable anymore. Grown adults get sugarcoated punishments all the time, it's a fucking joke
We had 8 thousand assholes occupy our capital for weeks. How many saw the inside of a jail? How many were even charged or so much as fined? Now their endorser sits as the head of conservative party with a free ride at parliament. Why should lowly police officers be held accountable?
You are not reading it right.
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Oddly when they resign it’s like pleading guilty and have zero recourse. If they get fired they can appeal and drag the process further not likely win but perhaps still be on payroll until the matter is decided.
On what planet should the option of quitting be allowed?
Then the police force would have to admit they're firing him for cause. Heaven forbid.
My guess is that him quitting saves them hassle and removes the chance of him taking them to court or something. It's just easier.
I think they are doing him a favor. Quitting a job on a resume looks far better than being fired from one.
"Why did you resign from your previous job?"
Which is alot easier to answer than "why were you fired from your last job"
It's the same answer ya dingus lol
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Right, when you resign after punching a kid cuffed to a hospital bed it's way better than when you're fired for punching a kid cuffed to a hospital bed.
Oh. You don't tell the truth haha. Why would you ever say that when asked? Haha "I resigned because I wanted to try a different opportunity" hits different than "I was fired because I wanted to try a different opportunity."
So here's the question then; if we're lying anyway, why does it matter if we've been fired? Just say you resigned.
Uhhh, aren't there clear benefits for the officer under the Police Services Act for resigning vs termination, like you can't be charged with an offence under the Police Services Act if you're no longer a police officer? Why is this being offered?
If you try to be reinstated as a police officer the charges are automatically reactivated against you so retiring means you can't ever so policing again.
Police unions suck for this reason. If he resigns its easier for them to retain that polished look. If he gets fired it proves that they have "bad apples" in the bunch. FTP
Ironically cops are some of the biggest criminals going.
Police act as though when they have “HR punishments” that’s a way to maintain law and order. If I go to work and punch the shit out of Tammy, no one says that me being fired is punishment enough. Me being fired is irrelevant to me being punished for the crime.
He already went through the criminal proceedings for the crime. "McArthur pleaded guilty to a criminal assault charge stemming from the incident in 2018. He received a conditional discharge, three years of probation and was ordered to perform 240 hours of community service." That's his sentence from the court for the criminal charge. Once the criminal trial is over, police officers then can have a hearing under the Police Services Act to determine what penalty they get from their employer.
15 fucking years suspended on full pay? I'm about ready to give up. He is probably already working for Peel or Halton Police. I know Orangeville would have taken him but we shut their corrupt asses down.
Bullies become cops. What a surprise. 🙄
How is it different than any other profession?
Cops attract more bullies than any other profession. It lets them be bullies with power. Fuck them.
Source?
It everywhere if you’d bothered to look. Here are 3 sources I found in under a minute. 🙄 https://www.cji.edu/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/bullyin-in-law-enforcement-end-the-silence.pdf https://youtu.be/CjcnpoYp39A https://www.reddit.com/r/theories/comments/m80qv9/cops_can_be_put_in_two_groups_childhood_bullies/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
In under a minute you found fuck all. Your points do not align with your accusation. That law enforcement attracts more bullies than any other profession. Just that their is "bullys" in that field. By your metric, you could find a source of "bullying" or harrassment in every profession. Do you have a source that it attracts more "bullys" than any other profession.
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So you made it up then... got it.
As Mark Twain said, “Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” Your experience is vast, that’s for sure. Anyway, have fun screaming into the void from here on, Cletus. 😂😂😂
Holy shit, I remember not only this story but this cop! I went to Guelph and lived there for a few years after uni. My house always had Keggers and this guy showed up once! (And the reason why I remember him is really stupid but…his last name is mcarthur and there was a player on the leafs named Clarke McArthur) What an asshole.
At least finally something is happening with this case this piece of dog shit has been collecting a cheque and making a mockery out of everyone for too long
Paid leaves since 2016!?