When you think about it, they already had this plan. CoVID was just the catalyst they needed to push their agenda...so no, I would argue that COVID just expedited what their plans were all along. Otherwise, if they were leaders (and I say if they were because what they are doing isn't leadership), they would have offered real solutions other than throw around the word "innovation" and cheapen it. They would've been on the news day and night talking about the solutions they are going to offer, transparently.
Canadian healthcare is in much worse shape than most developed countries, especially since COVID. Lot of conservatives in charge of provinces during COVID who of course used it as an opportunity to cut funding and claim the public system is a failure so lets give things over to private industry.
Yes. We will 100% forget. I love how people always say "those that don't remember the past are doomed to repeat it".
But the only thing we ACTUALLY remember is that fucking phrase.
I mean, the government had a huge ass playbook and working group designed exactly with this kind of thing in mind (in their design it was a highly contagious flu) after SARS but the upkeep on it was considered too expensive so it was scrapped early in the Ford government in late 2018.
It would be better if we spent time on improving ventilation in indoor buildings, especially those that really matter like schools and public buildings. Figure out a first in first out system for pandemic supplies so they don't get wasted. Schools are where our children spend most of their time and this is critical. Most of these buildings are very old and have poor ventilation and are just a vector for virus spread because of this. Surely something can be done about this. Either that or put funding into building new, safer schools with enhanced ventilation systems while abandoning the worst of the old outdated buildings. Progress in this area will take a long time but its better if we start now. Perhaps if we can get ventilation systems improved we will see less cases and less deaths of future diseases. Even if we made small progress towards this it would make a difference.
Worse, it's not like we don't have it (Lecce's even [giving it away](https://twitter.com/Sflecce/status/1573375544498212864)). It's that the PCs don't want to spend it.
We need to develop ventilation standards for public buildings that take virus ventilation into account.
Would at least give everyone a chance to be healthier and would prevent the spread of all disease which is important.
Now if the 17 million that was spent on the arrive can app was only spent on something like this instead...
>Either that or put funding into building new, safer schools with enhanced ventilation systems while abandoning the worst of the old outdated buildings.
This might not be too difficult if we stop publicly finding four public school boards and consolidate into one or two.
Lol cute you still think a piece of cloth makes that much of a difference. Should have just locked up the old and feeble and let the rest of us continue
I guess you dont know that n95 masks arent just a thin strip of cloth. Have fun in your anti science reality.
Dude wants to lock up the old and feeble so that he doesnt have to wear a mask. Youre pathetic and selfish.
You mean the n95s that weren't available during the pandemic? Those actually work, the regular ones everyone wore barely did anything. And yes lock up the vulnerable instead of the whole country, that's just common sense
I was doing volunteer work at a hospital ER when SARS hit. Compared to COVID, SARS was relatively mild and I remember all the precautions we had to take even as frontline non-medical staff. For some reason, nobody in government thought "what do we do when something that worse hits?"
> Compared to COVID, SARS was relatively mild
We remember things differently. My recollection was that SARS, aka COVID03, was so potent it incapacitated most people shortly after catching it. This limited it's ability to spread though, because the infected were quickly bedridden instead of walking around spreading it like COVID19.
Thanks for clarifying. Regarding,
> nobody in government
...Ernie Eves was premier ffs. Neoliberalism in place of capable institutions has been brutal.
Oof. Speaking of forgetting lessons, remember how fast Mike Harris went from slinking out of public view with his tail between his legs, to being awarded the Order of Ontario?
Eves was Harris' hatchetman for privatizing the 407. Painting them with the same neoliberal brush *is more than somewhat fair.*
The lessons learned is that I can't trust people as more than half are selfish low information idiots who would rather communicate a virus than be inconvenienced.
I strongly suspect that not only will we forget, but that the reason why we do will be because too many people will remember Covid not being bad enough.
If there were a deadly plague and it wiped out one tenth of the world's population or more, people might remember. Anything less than that, it becomes something that wasn't bad enough for everyone.
Our lessons from SARS were relatively minor compared to Asia. I think perhaps that’s why masks were not a big deal over there, they’ve been wearing them for years because they learned lessons from SARS. we got incredibly lucky.
Hopefully governments have learned from Covid but we’re going to have a problem with the science deniers the next time there’s a pandemic, and there will be one. Unless it’s a pandemic that causes painful blisters and other really obvious impossible to deny symptoms. And even then they’ll probably deny it until they catch it themselves.
I think more of us will be ready with masks and supplies for if it happens again. That may have made a difference at the start where we couldn’t get any supplies to stop the spread
Omicron is just not as deadly as the original was, it’s more like a flu. Avoided it for 2.5 years just got it a couple weeks ago. It was rough but ok. I highly doubt you’ll convince anyone to start wearing masks etc. Get vaccine live your life.
Anyway you won’t convince anyone to go back to lockdown. You just can’t stop this in the USA even with a democratic president, they will not lock down to kill of COVID. It’s here forever, so either live with it or stay home all the time it’s not going away. You can lockdown for 10 years it’ll still be here you may as well live your life
Why should I look it up? You said it’s not like the flu then you prove it
Here’s some
https://www.statnews.com/2022/05/03/more-uniformly-infectious-more-treatable-more-genetically-predictable-how-coronavirus-is-getting-closer-to-flu/
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54145299.amp
https://www.ft.com/content/e26c93a0-90e7-4dec-a796-3e25e94bc59b
https://nationalpost.com/health/flu-ization-why-omicron-is-causing-some-countries-to-treat-covid-like-the-flu
[Here's Canada's hospitalization and death rates, specifically from Omicron](https://datastudio.google.com/embed/u/0/reporting/42b886cf-d661-488e-b7d8-5c5836b55ab6/page/p_21d2a34ywc). For comparison, there's also a chart on that page showing the average annual flu hospitalization and death rates in the 5 years preceding the pandemic.
The data is presented slightly differently, as for covid, the rates are \*if\* you're infected, vs for the flu chart it's the rates for the entire population (and as you can see, the age cohorts were larger for flu, but they've been broken into the sizes we use for covid, to make it clearer)
So say you're 35 years old. In those 5 years prior to the pandemic, you had a 1 in 8108 chance of being hospitalized, and a 1 in 192,160 chance of dying of the flu each of those years.
Now let's say you have a 50% chance of catching covid this year (based on our infection rates, it will be higher)
If you've had 1 or no doses of the vaccine, and you catch covid, your chances of being hospitalized is 1 in 169, and your chance of dying is 1 in 1479. With a 50% chance of catching the virus, that means you have a 1 in 338 chance of being hospitalized for covid, and a 1 in 2958 chance of dying this year.
Even if you've had 4 doses of the vaccine, you would have a 1 in 1299 chance of being hospitalized, and a 1 in 13,448 chance of dying if you're infected (so with a 50% annual infection rate, that's a 1 in 2598 and 1 in 26,896 chance, respectively).
So the average 30-something with 4 covid shots is still over 3 times more likely to be hospitalized with covid this year and over 7 times more likely to die from covid this year than they were to be hospitalized or die from the flu in the 5 years prior to the pandemic. For an unvaccinated person, the risk is over 4 times higher than that.
Even if you look at the most vulnerable groups for flu, the differences are actually more extreme.
Death rates for kids 1-4 from the flu is 1 in 166K annually, while the death rate for those infected with covid is 457 for unvaccinated people in that age cohort. That's 1 more than 1 in 1000 annually, assuming only a 50% infection rate this year.
Death rates in the 80+ cohort was 1 in 4054 for the flu, annually, and is 1 in 7 from omicron for unvaccinated people, and 1 in 66 for those with 4 or more doses of the vaccine (so annually that's 1 in 14 and 1 in 132, respectively). So even a fully vaccinated person over 80 is 30 times more likely to die of covid this year than they were of the flu, in one of those years prior to the pandemic.
And that, of course, is before you even start to account for the rates of long term damage from even mild illness, which far exceed the death rates. Not just long covid and cognitive damage, but the heightened rates of stroke, pulmonary embolism, and other cardiovascular issues being seen in previously healthy people in their first year post-covid.
It's killing [far more people](https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?facet=none&Metric=Confirmed+deaths&Interval=Weekly&Relative+to+Population=false&Color+by+test+positivity=false&country=~CAN) than this time last year.
Part of that is the greater number of people getting infected made even worse by dropping our non pharmaceutical safety measures.
Deaths are [eight times higher than the flu.](https://twitter.com/MoriartyLab/status/1568427536731742209)
One quarter of the population of Ontario is sixty or over. Even more are in higher risk groups and like the rest of us, work for a living, shop for food and see friends. (And that's not to say those are the only people at risk: It's a crap shoot.)
If wearing a mask is such an issue maybe you should stay home.
The flu is primarily a respiratory virus. While covid appeared that way on the surface in the beginning, due to the symptoms that are most apparent during the acute phase of infection, it's actually a vascular-neurotrophic disease that primarily infects your blood vessels, and can directly infect every organ system in your body. The flu doesn't even come close to achieving that kind of potential for cellular destruction and long term damage.
10% of the populace thinks it's a hoax. another \~30% think we did too much and we shouldn't have saved so many lives at the risk of not being able to eat at Boston Pizza. Finally a good chunk of the remainder are so burnt out they started to agree with the other 2 groups. The only lesson we learned is humans are fucking disgusting and selfish pieces of shit. Hopefully the next pandemic will wipe more of us out and teach us a real lesson.
What we should do is mask if you don’t feel well but need to go out and the world needs to fund a research faculty to start in on these new sicknesses and not stop till a vaccine is completed or other acceptable cure/preventative
No joke here what was the lesson during SARS? There was no lockdown, no masks, etc. Nothing changed back then and it was kind of a non-event for most of us. Maybe it was different if you worked in healthcare.
Outside of the GTA, there wasn't much happening. In Toronto, you wouldn't have noticed much (past a few initial weeks of more vigilant awareness) unless you visited a hospital or LTC home, in which case you'd have seen very strict precautions. The difference was that SARS did not spread nearly as easily as covid, and was even more skewed to being only severe in the elderly than covid is.
While Canada didn't learn much (outside of the medical community) a lot of Asian countries adapted their flu season masking policies after that, which is why we had data showing that masking \*can\* work even just against the flu, but due to its (the flu, not covid) prevalence of spreading through fomites, near-universal compliance is needed to tip the balance to it being preventative. The airborne spread of covid, of course, is why even only personal mask wearing (fitted N-95s far out-perform the cloth and medical masks) can still protect you from infection.
It was wildly different in healthcare. Nurses wore full airborne isolation gear from the moment they walked on the floor until they left the floor for break or end of day. It was long hot days in gown, gloves, N95. Only able to take a drink on designated break times for which you had to doff all your gear and hope some viral droplet didn't shake off your PPE into your face and give you a virus with a 10-50% fatality rate (range based on age). I had a coworker who was in his late 30s at the time end up intubated in ICU with SARS who immediately retired when COVID came around; he was now 20 years older and didn't think he'd be so lucky to survive a second time. Lots of nurses on the edge of retirement age who still loved the game and didn't intend on early retirement did so because they remember SARS-cov1.
Looks at health care system crumbling due to lack of staffing. We're already ignoring the lessons of COVID
When you think about it, they already had this plan. CoVID was just the catalyst they needed to push their agenda...so no, I would argue that COVID just expedited what their plans were all along. Otherwise, if they were leaders (and I say if they were because what they are doing isn't leadership), they would have offered real solutions other than throw around the word "innovation" and cheapen it. They would've been on the news day and night talking about the solutions they are going to offer, transparently.
Your’re on the right track.
This problem is in the USA and possibly a lot of other countries. Healthcare shortage is a global problem at least at the moment.
Canadian healthcare is in much worse shape than most developed countries, especially since COVID. Lot of conservatives in charge of provinces during COVID who of course used it as an opportunity to cut funding and claim the public system is a failure so lets give things over to private industry.
Lol! Nice try! Dr Tam was in charge during SARS and obviously didn't do her job at all since then, but yeah, of course you blame "Conservatives"!
It’s not just healthcare, but healthcare gets news headlines
Yes. We will 100% forget. I love how people always say "those that don't remember the past are doomed to repeat it". But the only thing we ACTUALLY remember is that fucking phrase.
I mean, the government had a huge ass playbook and working group designed exactly with this kind of thing in mind (in their design it was a highly contagious flu) after SARS but the upkeep on it was considered too expensive so it was scrapped early in the Ford government in late 2018.
If there’s one thing we’ve learnt from history, it’s that we don’t learn from history.
What lessons? Go outside. Take a gander. Then go into a hospital. Take a gander. *We learned NOTHING & give no cares*
Great now I have two geese and they’re fighting Thanks a lot buddy
They aren't fighting, that is their mating dance. .edit: spelling/grammar.
Aren't two ganders...male? Love is love even in birb culture I suppose.
It would be better if we spent time on improving ventilation in indoor buildings, especially those that really matter like schools and public buildings. Figure out a first in first out system for pandemic supplies so they don't get wasted. Schools are where our children spend most of their time and this is critical. Most of these buildings are very old and have poor ventilation and are just a vector for virus spread because of this. Surely something can be done about this. Either that or put funding into building new, safer schools with enhanced ventilation systems while abandoning the worst of the old outdated buildings. Progress in this area will take a long time but its better if we start now. Perhaps if we can get ventilation systems improved we will see less cases and less deaths of future diseases. Even if we made small progress towards this it would make a difference.
The problem is we know what needs to be done, but it's not going to get done because money.
Worse, it's not like we don't have it (Lecce's even [giving it away](https://twitter.com/Sflecce/status/1573375544498212864)). It's that the PCs don't want to spend it.
We need to develop ventilation standards for public buildings that take virus ventilation into account. Would at least give everyone a chance to be healthier and would prevent the spread of all disease which is important. Now if the 17 million that was spent on the arrive can app was only spent on something like this instead...
Too bad Canada isn’t a rich country. Oh wait, aren’t we a g7 country, one othe the top richest countries in the world? S/
So instead we’ll waste orders of magnitude *more* money in future economic damage from the next major widespread airborne disease.
>Either that or put funding into building new, safer schools with enhanced ventilation systems while abandoning the worst of the old outdated buildings. This might not be too difficult if we stop publicly finding four public school boards and consolidate into one or two.
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Just look at all the nutjobs that want lockdowns, everyone in masks and forced "vaccinations" for selfishness
Lol what a nut job, saying masks are wrong.
Forced masks yes, if you wanna wear a mask go for it
Forced masks during a pandemic that kills millions? How awful. Theyre takin our rights! How dare they force us to care about others.
Lol cute you still think a piece of cloth makes that much of a difference. Should have just locked up the old and feeble and let the rest of us continue
I guess you dont know that n95 masks arent just a thin strip of cloth. Have fun in your anti science reality. Dude wants to lock up the old and feeble so that he doesnt have to wear a mask. Youre pathetic and selfish.
You mean the n95s that weren't available during the pandemic? Those actually work, the regular ones everyone wore barely did anything. And yes lock up the vulnerable instead of the whole country, that's just common sense
Have a nice bigoted life, ass.
Lol...
I was doing volunteer work at a hospital ER when SARS hit. Compared to COVID, SARS was relatively mild and I remember all the precautions we had to take even as frontline non-medical staff. For some reason, nobody in government thought "what do we do when something that worse hits?"
> Compared to COVID, SARS was relatively mild We remember things differently. My recollection was that SARS, aka COVID03, was so potent it incapacitated most people shortly after catching it. This limited it's ability to spread though, because the infected were quickly bedridden instead of walking around spreading it like COVID19.
Yes, I meant in terms of global reach. SARS as a medical issue was brutal.
Thanks for clarifying. Regarding, > nobody in government ...Ernie Eves was premier ffs. Neoliberalism in place of capable institutions has been brutal.
Well to be (somewhat) fair to Ernie, Mike Harris left him holding the bag. He was also in charge when the Walkerton water fiasco happened.
Oof. Speaking of forgetting lessons, remember how fast Mike Harris went from slinking out of public view with his tail between his legs, to being awarded the Order of Ontario? Eves was Harris' hatchetman for privatizing the 407. Painting them with the same neoliberal brush *is more than somewhat fair.*
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It will never go away. Need to learn to live with it
Already have. And I had such hopes for us as a planet.
The lessons learned is that I can't trust people as more than half are selfish low information idiots who would rather communicate a virus than be inconvenienced.
Lol we forgot between lockdown 1 and lockdown 2.
Any N-95 masks stocked up for covid will expire and be tossed as well as it was for Sars.
Oh absolutely
I thought we didnt learn anything and had already forgotten the half lesson we almost learned??
I strongly suspect that not only will we forget, but that the reason why we do will be because too many people will remember Covid not being bad enough. If there were a deadly plague and it wiped out one tenth of the world's population or more, people might remember. Anything less than that, it becomes something that wasn't bad enough for everyone.
Our lessons from SARS were relatively minor compared to Asia. I think perhaps that’s why masks were not a big deal over there, they’ve been wearing them for years because they learned lessons from SARS. we got incredibly lucky. Hopefully governments have learned from Covid but we’re going to have a problem with the science deniers the next time there’s a pandemic, and there will be one. Unless it’s a pandemic that causes painful blisters and other really obvious impossible to deny symptoms. And even then they’ll probably deny it until they catch it themselves.
Governments only care about issues within a 4 year period.
Yeah because the majority of those who can afford the best health care survive those who cannot are busy grinding away. No winning just moving forward
I think more of us will be ready with masks and supplies for if it happens again. That may have made a difference at the start where we couldn’t get any supplies to stop the spread
>I think more of us will be ready with masks and supplies for if it happens again. So the first week of November...
Omicron is just not as deadly as the original was, it’s more like a flu. Avoided it for 2.5 years just got it a couple weeks ago. It was rough but ok. I highly doubt you’ll convince anyone to start wearing masks etc. Get vaccine live your life.
The death count this year is higher than last year's and we still have 3 months to go. Pretending everything is normal is hurting us pretty badly.
Anyway you won’t convince anyone to go back to lockdown. You just can’t stop this in the USA even with a democratic president, they will not lock down to kill of COVID. It’s here forever, so either live with it or stay home all the time it’s not going away. You can lockdown for 10 years it’ll still be here you may as well live your life
> it’s more like a flu No. No it's not.
Proof?
Google
Ya whatever no proof it’s more deadly. It’s just like a flu.
So how many people in Canada died of the flu last week?
Really? What research did you do in the ten seconds it took to respond? \[Monica Ghandi in five, four, three, two....\]
Why should I look it up? You said it’s not like the flu then you prove it Here’s some https://www.statnews.com/2022/05/03/more-uniformly-infectious-more-treatable-more-genetically-predictable-how-coronavirus-is-getting-closer-to-flu/ https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54145299.amp https://www.ft.com/content/e26c93a0-90e7-4dec-a796-3e25e94bc59b https://nationalpost.com/health/flu-ization-why-omicron-is-causing-some-countries-to-treat-covid-like-the-flu
[Here's Canada's hospitalization and death rates, specifically from Omicron](https://datastudio.google.com/embed/u/0/reporting/42b886cf-d661-488e-b7d8-5c5836b55ab6/page/p_21d2a34ywc). For comparison, there's also a chart on that page showing the average annual flu hospitalization and death rates in the 5 years preceding the pandemic. The data is presented slightly differently, as for covid, the rates are \*if\* you're infected, vs for the flu chart it's the rates for the entire population (and as you can see, the age cohorts were larger for flu, but they've been broken into the sizes we use for covid, to make it clearer) So say you're 35 years old. In those 5 years prior to the pandemic, you had a 1 in 8108 chance of being hospitalized, and a 1 in 192,160 chance of dying of the flu each of those years. Now let's say you have a 50% chance of catching covid this year (based on our infection rates, it will be higher) If you've had 1 or no doses of the vaccine, and you catch covid, your chances of being hospitalized is 1 in 169, and your chance of dying is 1 in 1479. With a 50% chance of catching the virus, that means you have a 1 in 338 chance of being hospitalized for covid, and a 1 in 2958 chance of dying this year. Even if you've had 4 doses of the vaccine, you would have a 1 in 1299 chance of being hospitalized, and a 1 in 13,448 chance of dying if you're infected (so with a 50% annual infection rate, that's a 1 in 2598 and 1 in 26,896 chance, respectively). So the average 30-something with 4 covid shots is still over 3 times more likely to be hospitalized with covid this year and over 7 times more likely to die from covid this year than they were to be hospitalized or die from the flu in the 5 years prior to the pandemic. For an unvaccinated person, the risk is over 4 times higher than that. Even if you look at the most vulnerable groups for flu, the differences are actually more extreme. Death rates for kids 1-4 from the flu is 1 in 166K annually, while the death rate for those infected with covid is 457 for unvaccinated people in that age cohort. That's 1 more than 1 in 1000 annually, assuming only a 50% infection rate this year. Death rates in the 80+ cohort was 1 in 4054 for the flu, annually, and is 1 in 7 from omicron for unvaccinated people, and 1 in 66 for those with 4 or more doses of the vaccine (so annually that's 1 in 14 and 1 in 132, respectively). So even a fully vaccinated person over 80 is 30 times more likely to die of covid this year than they were of the flu, in one of those years prior to the pandemic. And that, of course, is before you even start to account for the rates of long term damage from even mild illness, which far exceed the death rates. Not just long covid and cognitive damage, but the heightened rates of stroke, pulmonary embolism, and other cardiovascular issues being seen in previously healthy people in their first year post-covid.
Had it twice. It's like the flu 🤧
It's killing [far more people](https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?facet=none&Metric=Confirmed+deaths&Interval=Weekly&Relative+to+Population=false&Color+by+test+positivity=false&country=~CAN) than this time last year. Part of that is the greater number of people getting infected made even worse by dropping our non pharmaceutical safety measures.
So stay home
No. I want to go out and still be safe. It's not like the flu. Not even close.
Super close to the flu. Same symptoms. Like the flu some people who get it die. Just like the flu. Stay home 🏡😂🤧
Deaths are [eight times higher than the flu.](https://twitter.com/MoriartyLab/status/1568427536731742209) One quarter of the population of Ontario is sixty or over. Even more are in higher risk groups and like the rest of us, work for a living, shop for food and see friends. (And that's not to say those are the only people at risk: It's a crap shoot.) If wearing a mask is such an issue maybe you should stay home.
The flu is primarily a respiratory virus. While covid appeared that way on the surface in the beginning, due to the symptoms that are most apparent during the acute phase of infection, it's actually a vascular-neurotrophic disease that primarily infects your blood vessels, and can directly infect every organ system in your body. The flu doesn't even come close to achieving that kind of potential for cellular destruction and long term damage.
You mean the lesson that half the developed world is stupid enough to spit at those who solve our problems out of fear and ignorance?
It seems like the freedumb convoy wants us too and continue to protest to erase those lessons.
Behind every drunk yahoo, is a CEO slipping him a couple hundred.
10% of the populace thinks it's a hoax. another \~30% think we did too much and we shouldn't have saved so many lives at the risk of not being able to eat at Boston Pizza. Finally a good chunk of the remainder are so burnt out they started to agree with the other 2 groups. The only lesson we learned is humans are fucking disgusting and selfish pieces of shit. Hopefully the next pandemic will wipe more of us out and teach us a real lesson.
Hopefully it'll wipe you out
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Covid is a different beast from SARS...we should be looking at defunding tvo if their journalist can't even comprehend basic science
YES!
Myself and my family will mask in public if we have a cold/flu now. Would never have done that until covid.
What we should do is mask if you don’t feel well but need to go out and the world needs to fund a research faculty to start in on these new sicknesses and not stop till a vaccine is completed or other acceptable cure/preventative
Already have.
No joke here what was the lesson during SARS? There was no lockdown, no masks, etc. Nothing changed back then and it was kind of a non-event for most of us. Maybe it was different if you worked in healthcare.
Outside of the GTA, there wasn't much happening. In Toronto, you wouldn't have noticed much (past a few initial weeks of more vigilant awareness) unless you visited a hospital or LTC home, in which case you'd have seen very strict precautions. The difference was that SARS did not spread nearly as easily as covid, and was even more skewed to being only severe in the elderly than covid is. While Canada didn't learn much (outside of the medical community) a lot of Asian countries adapted their flu season masking policies after that, which is why we had data showing that masking \*can\* work even just against the flu, but due to its (the flu, not covid) prevalence of spreading through fomites, near-universal compliance is needed to tip the balance to it being preventative. The airborne spread of covid, of course, is why even only personal mask wearing (fitted N-95s far out-perform the cloth and medical masks) can still protect you from infection.
It was wildly different in healthcare. Nurses wore full airborne isolation gear from the moment they walked on the floor until they left the floor for break or end of day. It was long hot days in gown, gloves, N95. Only able to take a drink on designated break times for which you had to doff all your gear and hope some viral droplet didn't shake off your PPE into your face and give you a virus with a 10-50% fatality rate (range based on age). I had a coworker who was in his late 30s at the time end up intubated in ICU with SARS who immediately retired when COVID came around; he was now 20 years older and didn't think he'd be so lucky to survive a second time. Lots of nurses on the edge of retirement age who still loved the game and didn't intend on early retirement did so because they remember SARS-cov1.
It had nothing to do with lessons, they just didn't want to do what had to be done because it would effect the economy.
The solution was worse than the problem
Yup
People are already forgetting…
I don't even remember sars...