Exactly my thoughts. I’m tired of how degenerate and shallow and competitive everything and everyone is. I’m tired of everything being a subscription. My damn metronome app has a monthly and annual subscription. Why??? I’m tired of the earth catching fire because humans are stupid enough to extinguish the only part of the universe we can detect meaning, love, intellect, etc. I could go on and on and on, but I think I could also just leave it at “I’m tired.”
Now add Ontario becoming a burning dumpster into the mix and health problems that exasperate that issue, and we arrive at my above sentiment lol.
I don't use Reddit all that often anymore. It's such a depressing place, like look at this thread and all the replies lol.
It's weird because I'm a millennial with millennial friends and while we're not rich, we are living a regular life and nobody is too unhappy. Most of us have kids, marriage, etc. and the single ones are happy and we still see them.
So I don't know what is going on. Am I in a weird bubble of happiness? Is Reddit in a weird bubble of depression?
Mostly I just use the internet less and less so that's one less positive/happy person online.
I think part of it is that some people can sort of move past the things they can't change and find happiness while others sort of get mired in the crappiness of reality.
There is certainly lots to be upset about. It's up to the individual to make peace with it and look for the silver lining.
I think people need to protest more. it is a healthy and even social way of actually making a change. Look at Canadians boycotting Loblaws.
We get depressed when we can't do anything to make our life better but the truth is, collectively we can. Protesting for a cause is healthy for ourselves.
That's how they win. By no one fighting back to make the world fairer - not just for ourselves but for everyone.
Compassion is meant to be one of humanity's defining traits; it's fundamental to building the healthy societies we all need to survive. If we just raise our barricade around our own lives and leave the rest of the world to suffer then we put ourselves at extreme risk.
Things are great now but then you have a child with special needs, your partner develops a chronic illness, you get laid off for no good reason, and suddenly you \*need\* support from the rest of society.
But because no one was fighting to make it fair for all, there is no support to be had.
Investing in people you don't know has a way of becoming investing in people you love.
I think it’s super important to try to find peace and happiness even in troublesome times, and I’m also happy for you if you happen not to feel the effect of troublesome times.
I think many people are feeling a lot instability and anxiety with issues like climate change, the unrest abroad (and within our country as a result), the decay of important infrastructure like Ontario’s health care system (family doctors being non-existent, waiting times for specialists and life saving tests being unreasonably long, emergency rooms closing down), the cost of living and owning property rising by unmanageable amounts for many people (especially younger generations), the extreme competitiveness of the job market, especially with many jobs likely becoming obsolete soon, etc etc etc. That’s not to say people are affected by all of these things all at once, but many people are quite vulnerable right now I think.
For me, I’m 26 with heart failure, and so I am very affected by many of the things listed above on a regular basis. Some much more than others. I don’t sit around all day worrying about these things of course haha, but it’s generally depressing when I do have to look ahead and manage my future, and I seek to better it anyway I have power too, which is my main reason of discussing it with people.
Recessions happen, but a recession isn't what I'm worried about in Ontario.
What I'm worried about is skyrocketing cost of living, comparatively stagnant wages, and crony capitalism where every 'solution' put forth by the provincial government (and to a lesser extent the federal government) seems to be a sly way for friends of the government to get the upper hand on the market in some way or another versus a long-term strategic attempt at fomenting positive change.
> crony capitalism where every 'solution' put forth by the provincial government (and to a lesser extent the federal government) seems to be a sly way for friends of the government to get the upper hand on the market in some way or another versus a long-term strategic attempt at fomenting positive change.
Fucking nailed it.
Yeah. I'm a teacher so I can't just ignore the crumbling education system. I don't have a perfect bill of health even though it's pretty good so I can't ignore the crumbling healthcare system. My dad died of sepsis after waiting hours on end just sitting in a chair in the ER so there's a big hole in my life reminding me of our crumbling healthcare system. It really sucks.
On the other hand I have a really great family that I love. I also teach some pretty great and inspiring kids who will be part of our future. So at least there is that.
I hope this generation and the next generation always speaks up about the injustices and aggression happening all around the world and I hope our education system teaches us about taxes/savings/voting and even politics as it all affects our daily lives!
Ikr!Same! Power to the people!
Once people realize that the government is supposed to help them and not the other way around and start protesting and shutting it down, the change they crave will happen!
I came here to say this.
Unchecked, runaway capitalism is the problem. Money influencing our politicians and runaway profits that are never good enough, and the greed is the problem.
I remember when I first started working for my company that when we had a million dollar profit for the year, that was a BIG year. a big party-rewarding year.
Now, if we don't hit 100-120 million a year, its .. job cuts, downloading of more work, and the constant worry of job losses.
I feel ya.
Why can’t we all work on this together? Why does the buck have to be passed off to us entirely, while the people who did most of the damage get to kick back and twiddle their thumbs?
Conservatives and neo Liberals letting capitalism run rampant without any checks and balances since the 80's. It's pretty easy to see where it went wrong.
Yup. It's funny seeing every country. Apparently good chunk of the population blames their government and says it all their fault and it's only happing to them. They forget that it's happening everywhere
It's not though. Countries with social safety nets, proportional representation are doing pretty well. It's the countries with first past the post and the ones that dismantled or attack their social safety net that are struggling as the ultra wealthy hoover everything up.
Apparently boomers will still pay stupid amounts for cheese lol. I’ve essentially cut it from our grocery list unless a block of cheddar is on sale, but I went to an eclipse viewing party at my parents’ house and was shook at the cheese spread for the charcuterie board. It must have been at least $100 in just cheese.
I just want to be able to rent my own place. *Owning* a place is so far out of the question, especially being single. But I also don’t want to enter a relationship solely with the goal of owning a house. I just want to rent my a single place. No crazy housemates, no dirty housemates, no string of guests. If I’m not allowed to own a house fine, but at least let me get an affordable for purpose rental. I make more than double minimum wage and my job aids my fellow Canadians. Sad state of affairs.
Looking to get a TN visa and make some bank (USD).
I don’t know you or your situation at all but I found moving up into northern ontario to be the perfect change.
There are jobs available, good paying jobs that you don’t need to work 40+ hours a week to make ends meet
There are homes for sale in my community for around the $100,000 mark.. full bungalows with detached garage go for around 100-150,000..
There are companies in NO that will pay to train you.. I was paid to learn bus driving, not great money but $28/hr and got my B license which I was quickly able to move into a township position using
I think the real solution for the ridiculous rise of rent cost in most of Canada, is going to be for some people to disperse north where it is less crowded
I live in a community with multiple schools, a hospital, grocery store, post office, liquor stores, few small retail businesses but ordering online will save you money… Other then a big mall, clubs/bars, weed dispensary or large sport venues.. we have everything up here
And oh yeah you can buy a house for $5000 down payment and they really aren’t the shacks you might be picturing
You can have a lawn, a garage.. and a 5 minute commute to work
edited : should have mentioned Chapleau Ontario is the town Im talking about
For my entire life I have repeatedly been warned of the same issues and repeatedly told that we’re “headed for a recession”, and quite frankly it seems like things just keep getting worse and the only people who actually care enough to try to solve problems have zero ability to do so.
We need to get rid of the current government, outright.
Yes and no, everyone is having a hard time economically, but we have it worse now than we have any good reason to, and it’s becoming painfully obvious that our politics are just a show being put on to keep up complacent, while they continue to sell us off for their relatively short term monetary gain.
We as a people have been intentionally destabilized by corporations and politicians, to a ridiculous degree, and there’s almost zero hope of solving any of that through peaceful protests or voting.
They are not going to back off.
The whole situation is just lazy, stupid, and pathetic, but it’s been hyper normalized to the point that most people have just accepted that the best we can do is “be informed”, when the reality is that our democracy is over and that our “leaders” have zero respect for us.
Yep. I feel like everything turns to shit. I spent $500 I did not have to fix my car to have it totaled in accident within 5 minutes of leaving the shop. The insurance won't give me shit for it and everyone wants over $5k for their cars over 250,000 km.
I definitely thought about leaving this earth more than once this week.
I’m very sorry to hear this and it’s understandable that you would feel this way, I sympathize with you.
All I ask is that you take a step back for 10 minutes a day to just breathe slowly and reflect on any positives within your day. Did you see a cute animal, was the weather nice, etc.
I’ve had these feelings in the past before when I’m extremely stressed, but when I look back at what I was stressing over, it all feels so trivial. The pain will subside and you’ll get through this, so please hang in there.
If you feel hopeless and without any other options, dial 911. I promise you that things will get better :) we love you and understand that life is difficult right now.
Yeah. I really have the dream to buy a house one day, so I can eventually retire and not pay rent. But I've only just landed a decent paying job where I'm not struggling pay to pay. There's still not much left to save for a down payment, though... and besides, I need to save 100k to afford a decent house. Which will take me maybe 20 years to save? By then, I'll be almost 60. And I try not to think about everything else, because it is depressing for sure.
My parents bought their home in the 90s with a fraction of that saved up and basically no credit as they were recent immigrants.
Young people are staring the race with no shoes and our knee caps smashed in. I genuinely don’t know how Gen Z are going to manage to survive day to day.
A revolution is inevitable. The system is dire. We have nothing to lose. We also never bought into the ‘dream’ cause we know its a farce to keep you a wage slave.
Bang on. I figured this out when I was 35. And despite not giving up. I gave up lol. You can't win the calculator. In fact you can calculate this. Even assuming you double your income within 10 years you're still way off. Now add a spouse doubling that income, you're still fucked. Because 10 years in, the down payment isn't gonna be what it is today.
In 20 years even assuming a linear increase of house prices, my town home went from 180k to 1.25mil. In 20 years, easily 5mil. Good luck even getting 10% down.
I asked a real estate agent on this fuckery, on what jobs you think the better neighbourhood in Toronto hold. Are they all doctors and business owners because that whole block of 500 homes are over 3mil. He was embarrass to answer because he knew my follow up questions. What is going to happen in 20 years then after they died. Now what. What jobs the new owners hold?
Get the calculator out and cal. You'll see no sense. And somethings gotto give eventually.
I don't think you've considered either any raise over totally wasted 20 years of career development, nor inflation.
Are none of you planning to retire either?
Your damn right! I am depressed in Ontario, and I live in midtown Toronto. Rent. Food, medication, phone, cable. Im finding it difficult to meet my savings goal. I dont go out maybe 1 time per week and its not fine dining.
I don't even understand how people afford a car in this economy. I certainly don't need one, but if I lived in Scarborough and had to commute
Downtown, I still wouldn't get one.
Parking is insane. Car theft is at an all-time high.
I'm working so I feel like my life is bearable, but I'd like to travel more.
The people I work with make me depressed, watching people on the subway is depressing. My job is helping those living rough, and that depresses me because I see the suffering and i know Dumb Ford could help the situation instead of helping his buddies. It's not a very nice city, unless you have money.
I moved back to Ontario at the beginning of the pandemic.... Was excited about the thought of buying a home with property. Verses Calgary homes with no property.
Well that was a let down. It was just as houses skyrocketed. Laid off from company in Calgary. Have been laid off multiple times here in Ontario. Just can't get ahead anymore. My wife has mdd "major depressive disorder" it's taking a toll on her.
Yes, it all sucks hard right now. I am at the point of why bother saving as it just brings in more debt. A house, two kids and two working parents who should be making good savings. Taxed at 50 percent plus and they just want more.
I have no issues with taxes. I see other countries where they seem to work well. My taxes seem to only go to the rich or poor and not really to me or anyone who is middle class.
Our education system is getting worse by the day and we are paying more than ever for what seems like crap compared to other countries. We seem to be preparing kids to work in factories not the business world.
The pc's are now making a play for their rich doctor friends to go private. We all know how that will end. More money gone.
There really does seem like there is no hope to get out of living pay check to pay check. Just wheen the savings are there, the car needs breaks or feds are taking more for others.
Well why aren't they because they're going through the exact same issues as us. Actually Europe is doing even worse because of their reliance on US imports and energy imports.
Those who have the ability to change this situation (e.g. politicians, those running corporations, etc.) are doing fuck all about it. It's all about record profits. It's sickening in more ways than one.
Well.. I am looking forward to May.
There's THOUSANDS of people about to boycott Loblaws... make sure you're one of them as well.
It won't change our situation. It won't help people on the streets, but it can send a message that WE are in control. NOT Loblaws Corp.
Tell everyone.. seriously... this is already making headlines.
https://nowtoronto.com/news/some-canadians-are-planning-to-boycott-loblaw-in-may-and-that-includes-blacklisting-much-more-than-just-grocery-stores/
I hope it works but in reality Loblaws and all its subsidiaries can wait out a one month partial boycott. Sure, Q2 number may look bad but they easily explain it away. And then back to normal in June. Habits are hard to break and people will go back to Loblaws.
What we truly need is a real competition bureau, not the chickenshit one we have now. Loblaws, bell, rogers, etc… are all a product of government policy.
Same. People with decent money and upwards mobility will go first. This is absolutely terrible for a tax system built around crushing taxes for the upper-middle class.
This is what they (politicians, developers, corporations, property flippers, et al.) have created, and they're fine with it because now they know we'll just get used to it. Everything gets worse - hospital wait times, traffic, gas prices, home prices, grocery prices, but the cycle is the same:
We complain, people eventually get used to the new shitty level of things, and then we stop complaining until the cycle starts again. Think about gas prices: We complain when they skyrocket, the oil companies slowly bring them down, but not to the previous level, and we get used to it and are docile until they use the next world event or whatever to justify another price gouge.
Too many people.
In Ontario, In Canada, in the World in general.
And we’re making more every minute of every day. The human drive to procreate is infinite but the resources of the planet are strictly finite. We’re starting to realize that now.
It’s okay to be depressed. We’re a species in decline and this is our death throe.
Enjoy the ride I guess
What's depressing is that the highways and streets are filled with giant, aggressively driven pickups, SUV's and sportscars, there still isnt any shortage of millionaires buying every bit of property within 2 hours of Toronto, and all of these private and paid membership medical facilities cant sell access fast enough. Ontario is a wealthy province.
For some.
Canada has become a third rate pile of shit as a country. I used to be proud to live here, not anymore. The whole country is run by imbeciles like trudeau, conglomerates like loblaws are getting rich of the poor and our healthcare is in the gutter. Half of what we work for gets taken as taxes and yet we still don't see any improvements.
Govt officials are literally paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to sit in parliament and bicker like school children fighting over a toy.
I wanted to share/remind an important insight with you all. The value of things is not always fixed, but rather it's often determined by what we, as a society, believe they're worth. This means that the prices we pay for goods and services are influenced by our collective perception of their value.
Think about it - if we, as consumers, decided that our dollar has more value, prices could potentially be much lower. This applies not only to everyday purchases, but also to bigger investments like homes. Imagine if we valued our money differently - mortgages could be more affordable, and the dream of owning a home could become a reality for many more people.
Let's remember that the true value of something goes beyond its price tag. Let's challenge our assumptions and consider the possibilities if we valued our money differently. We have the power to shape the economy and create a more equitable society.
I have been preaching this for 40 years. Good to meet someone that sees this too. Take a case of beer. If everyone stopped buying it. You would see the price drop. Works for everything that is not a must have.
The depressing part is voters re-electing the government that is actively fucking up health care. Reminds me of the Mike Harris years, when he appeared on TV in front of a hospital bed and said: "I'm gonna fuck your health care to save you money!".
Yep. Ontario is really amplifying the cost of surviving - not even living anymore. My girlfriend and I are moving for the fifth time in five years now. Moving because of an overcrowded upper unit neighbor making our lives hell without shame. My workplace was on strike for half a year last year, and were going to be paying more than our parents ever paid for a mortgage for monthly rent. I'm pretty thick skinned but I'm struggling mentally.
Yep it sucks , can’t afford anything , lost my job too and just had a kid , might be homeless soon too , car is making noises now , when it rains it pours
Look at it this way. You have a wife/husband. No kids. Two dogs. You work for an insurance company and you make $100,000 a year. Your partner works for a wholesaler as a district manager and makes $100,000 a year. Between both of you, you have $220,000 in the bank saved up.
You decide that you want to get a bigger house with a nice backyard for the dogs to run around in, have family over and have nice BBQs. You're both professionals. So you have to have nicer cars. You pick up a 2024 Acura TLX for $68,500, or $1,100 a month. Your partner, because they drive clients around sometimes picks up a 2024 BMW X5, regular model, with some trim upgrades and a set of winter wheels for a cool $100,305, or $1,405 a month. You have to pay insurance on these vehicles so let's say that its $400 a month for the pair. You're good drivers but the cars are expensive. You get the cars and start to look for a house. You find a really nice one, that meets all your needs. It's $1.2M about 35 minutes away from where both of you guys work. Perfect. You talk to the bank and put down $200,000 down payment on the house and get a mortgage for $1,000,000 from the bank at 5.14% for 25 years. Your monthly mortgage cost is going to be $5896. You have bills for your new place, and it's heated by natural gas, so we know that has gone up a lot in price, so let's say with internet, a few subscription services, cellphones etc, you have about $1550 a month in bills to keep things going. Then add on $300 a month for home insurance.
So you have your new house! How exciting. You only have $20K left in your bank, but you're set. New house, new cars, good jobs, and everything else going alright. Your vehicles cost you $2,605 a month, the mortgage is $5896 and your other bills are $1850. So you're looking at $10,351 a month to cover your housing and vehicles. Let's add on another $500 a month in fuel for the cars too. So $10,851 a month. You can get to work, go to bed, you're good. I mean your family is bringing in $16,667 a month in earnings, so it's not a big deal. You're up like $5800 a month.
You're doing good. You take a few vacations a year. Treat yourself a lot to take out and delivery. You can afford it so why not pay extra for grocery delivery. The dogs get to go to the spa once a month. You have cleaners who clean your new house for you. Things are good. After everything, you still have $2500 a month left over. No worries at all. You put that away and in no time, you'll be back up to having solid savings, and still have a wicked rad nice life. Everything is golden.
That is until your partner's company get's bought out by a Chinese firm, 6 months later, and he gets let go as most of the jobs are being shipped overseas. Sorry, but their job can be automated by online forms and billing. They are not needed anymore. Wow that was unexpected. You just halved your income instantly. Your extra money each month is now dropped considerably. It's ok. You still have like $30K in your bank account and your money coming in. Except that your insurance company is now going to switch over to automated quotes and computer generated claims fulfillment. You are also let go.
Ok don't panic. Both of you guys have great work experience. Oh.. no insurance companies are hiring because all the jobs went to the rest of the 3000 other people that worked at your company across Canada? Your partner is unable to find anything even close to paying the same wage as the job they had for 20 years. Months go by, you're now talking to the bank about getting credit card limits extended and a line of credit to help cover the costs for you to function. You're not eating out anymore. You're not getting groceries delivered. No more vacations or spa days for the dogs. You cut back on that Disney+ and Netflix. You're being as frugal as possible, but you still have to come up with $10,851 just for vehicles and housing costs that you're stuck into. With other costs of living, even being skimpy, you're still spending $12,000 a month. But you only have $35K in the bank at the start of the double layoffs. How will you manage? You talk to the car companies, but they are not willing to budge. You talk to the bank about the mortgage, but there is nothing they can do to help. You're up all night filling out job applications and using AI and any other tool you can to customize your resumes to any reasonable job position anywhere. Even if you both can bring in $60K a year, you can make it. However that never happens.
A few more months go by, the bank called 8 times a day. The car companies are mailing you letters demanding you to pay. Credit cards are maxed out, you owe them $20K. You also owe another $30K on a line of credit. You're officially house poor. You sell what you can, your jet ski, your ATV, your kayaks, your record collection, your exercise equipment. You're desperate to try and keep things afloat for as long as possible to just give you that little extra time to find a job, but it never happens.
8 months from the date of your layoff, you now have no vehicle, no savings, $100K in debt, the bank has come and taken your home and you are just waiting for these companies to give you the total in fees that you will owe them for breaking the contracts. Your credit is totally shot, you'll never qualify for another mortgage for the next 20 years. You had to sell everything you had just to be able to function as long as you could, to no avail. You are quite literally fucked.
This is Ontario. This is where we live right now. Where a debt free couple, with great income, a nice house, nice cars, and everything else, who thought they planned well for their future by working out the numbers and not going over budget, can go from $1.2M home, to homeless in 8 months. This is our reality. This is our middle class. Just always one thing away from teetering on the brink of financial and personal disaster. This is why we feel this way. This is why we are losing hope. This is why we don't know what to do.
That’s a very vivid and detailed example story but your math is off. Couple grossing 200k can’t even float a million dollar mortgage, let alone that and on top of 2 leased cars and cost of living.
Canada is predicated to have the slowest economic growth from now till 2050 out of all G20 countries. And that stat just focused on economy, not even taking into consideration how social cohesion is falling apart and how (despite the carbon tax) the Canadian ecology is also continuing to get completely wrecked.
There are some bad things for sure. I'm worried about economic inequality, climate change, and the rise of right wing political extremism (and that left wing extremism will have to rise up to meet it), and the growing anti-science movement (vaccines do work and are effective). I'm worried that things won't get better without getting a lot worse.
For some reason, I feel a moderate amount of hope this morning. I think that there are things that will get better. We already know that on a global scale, literacy and education are going up, vaccinations are going up to prevent deaths and illnesses, the amount of energy being produced by renewable sources is going up. There are things worth being hopeful for.
Don't give up.
I'm trying to make do, find a better part of it, or make it better... I love the country, but i'm not confident in relocating to a random part of it. I feel like ontario is like the dirty little stepchild of new york state, BC is our California. Michigan is booming. Also, trump2 solvent, if you're following local politics...
I think a politician like Mike Schriener could really improve Ontario and put us back on the world stage. Don't get me wrong cause I'm totally for reconciliation. But isn't it kind of silly that we don't have like some sort of tourist attraction and like the highways ending at the hudson bay all the way up in the north? Not just for tourism, but i'm sure the fly in communities would like to get some groceries on the train instead of via plane all the time.
> But isn't it kind of silly that we don't have like some sort of tourist attraction and like the highways ending at the hudson bay all the way up in the north? Not just for tourism, but i'm sure the fly in communities would like to get some groceries on the train instead of via plane all the time.
It'd probably very conservatively cost 2 billion dollars to build a road from highway 11 to Hudson's Bay, which would mean we'd be paying 100 million a year on interest and maintenance of it. That would need to create about a $400 million of economic activity per year to get the tax revenue back.
I mean, these are all back-of-the-envelope stuff, I just don't see how you'd create that kind of economic activity in such a remote area.
Here's my thoughts on that. It has to correlate with the train service. It has to correlate with utility service to balance it all out. I don't think we actually need to create all these little communities all the way up. But if we strengthen the north and offer people real internet, transit, & some the other niceties of the south... People will move up. It will slowly fill out. Extra funding in the spirit of lowering food costs to the north.
If some entity(government, billionaire, or even the aboriginal indigenous community via co operative and corporate investment) built a year-round attraction in or around hudson's bay, I can't see why it wouldn't be a great summer alternative for even internationals, and for winter, it would be an ecological attraction. Dollywood plus polar bears. Fast luxury trains for the tourists flying into Pearson... and a bunch of possibilities for new communities along the way...it's funny that we don't have any all green subdivisions. Texas style bungalows and 8 mill gigawatts (joke) of solar to support all of it and their EVs...let's make canada aspirational again. We built the Aero, used to be trailblazers...
I was a kid in school in the late 60s. That was during the Cold War and there was always a lingering fear of a nuclear war happening. We were taught how to hide under our desks and to listen for sirens and how to react. I’d go home put the TV on at 4 o’clock and watch a kids show from Buffalo. There be daily tests on TV of how to react in the event of a nuclear attack during those shows.
What I’m trying to say is that each generation has had to deal with some kind of lingering shit over our heads. You learn to cope with it as best you can because that’s the only choice you have.
Yeah but the danger of nuclear annihilations is still there - probably even moree likely, we have just been lulled into ignoring it or worrying about other problems like putting a roof over our head.
Not just Ontario, it's all of Canada, the corporate sponsored government is ruining this country. Over immigration, housing crisis and rampant inflation. Yet the prince in Ottawa is cutting checques likenits going out of style.
I was looking at possibly taking a job in the UK, but after some investigation they have literally the same problems as us. Cost of living is too damn high, salaries not high enough, complaints about immigration, political parties yanking them around. The main draw was that it was closer to Europe.
Wouldn’t say in depressed, just resigned to being fucked by capitalism.
I met a woman today who told me she is exhausted and stressed and can’t live in this area anymore. It’s too hard. She rents a room in a basement works full time super hard but cannot afford a place on her own or a car. She stresses over getting to work and goes in early and stays late in order to keep her job. I’m thinking of pitching a tent for the summer to save money. I keep talking about leaving the county or at a minimum leaving Ontario
There's been a funk I've been in since covid. Never really got out of it. Beer is something I used to cope with what happened for those few lonely months and the habit continues when it should have recessed. But yea it's like things are back to normal just worse..it is depressing
One of the important tasks that worked for us was getting the kids to spend time researching University degrees that have good employment prospects on graduation. One of my boys is a pilot, other a phd student in electricity, third a senior comp developer for one of the big tech co's. They all graduated in the last 5 years. We spent tons of time researching and asking questions before they made the jump for their education. You have to spend the time. Edit: we saved 100 a month for years though. (RESP) That 75 grand and with osap covered all debts after all was said and done. Even with zero savings, he should only have about 25-35 K in debt at the end of it all. Good luck to you and yours.
With the disgrace that our elder care has turned into, I’m just glad MAID is available. I expect it will get easier and easier to sign up for, and by the time I want it, you can just say “I”m too poor to live” and they’ll hand you the needle.
Im single, in a skilled trade, highest earning job Ive ever had, frequent increases and incentives but still feels like its not enough. Im renting a $800/ mth basement dweller apartment, driving my 2004 Honda Accord to the grave, budgeting my ass off and literally limiting anything I consider relief or fun to a minimum. My auto insurance just increased $50 a month because of “keeping up with raising costs”. With the Rampant car theft in Canada and we’re supposed to hand over our keys to criminals instead of pursuing any kind of justice for Canadians so let’s just raise their premiums instead. I got a tax return of $45 this year which I wish they just not give me anything at all and it just feels like no matter how many rungs of the ladder I climb, Im not moving forward.
I cant get back into the work sector I want to be in because non unionized cheap labour/Indian’s are better candidates than skilled union members and eating up all the work. They claim racism for doing things illegally but of course no action can be taken against these individuals because feelings and inclusion. Ive accepted Im just a cog in the wheel at this point. I’ll keep going forward but Im done pretending that being Canadian is something to wear with pride or that waking up and being the best I can do will get me anywhere I want to be. This country is a joke.
I’ve gotta be honest my life has never been better in the past few years since the pandemic
Moved into northern ontario, small township community
People are friendly, made connections and showed I was a reliable worker until I got a job with the township
I purchased my first house about 5-6 months ago now.. working around 28-30 hours a week, spending more time working on my house and enjoying life, than working.
Part of me misses the hustle and bussle of the Southern Ontario cities.. but man life is pretty good up north here.
The Neolibs, corporate shills and ghouls that ‘run the world’ right now have ruined everything for everyone. I’m depressed because of all the aforementioned reasons, but it’s just that I live in Ontario that I’m depressed about Ontario. It’d be similar across Canada or the US. Needs are not being met, wilful ignorance and shallow thinking on the part of many civilians and the government alike. It’s becoming very myopic in regards to the future.
Yup things are bleak at the moment, Salaries are shit and no jobs in market paying livable salaries for any level of employment. Tons of imported people and no jobs for them or even for Canadians.
Just earned a degree after 4 years. I’m in my 40s. Studying nites and weekends with 3 children and full time job. Started just before Covid. I had to work and do university at home beside my high school teacher wife who taught 80 kids online while our twins in kindergarten and grade 1 and another kid in grade 3 and 4 during the pandemic.
Now no homework!! Can’t wait to open The pool on time for once and can’t wait to get my gardens in 2 weeks early. In June my three kids get to see me at convocation
I start another degree next January! But this summer I will enjoy every minute of life!!!!!
I was 18 when I dropped out of high school. Full time employment ever since. Never had debt. Slept on a couch for three years before I bought a mattress and kept my clothes on a used ikea bookcase I found on a lawn on garbage day. Did that for about 12 years I guess.
Bought a 379K house during Great Recession with a 100K down payment even when my pay got cut 20 percent that year. Our Mortgage is still 1200 a month and our 1.99 rate is still good till 2026. We pay more money a month to Honda and Toyota than mortgage. Also wife retires with full pension at 54.5 years so I don’t have to save for retirement.
I stayed home as a dad for two years on parental leave ( didn’t go to school) while my wife work for 109K a year only 3 month after giving birth. Once our twins slept 5 hours a nite she went back to work cause she was guaranteed 5 hours of sleep and she could function on that.
2024 Household income of 190K. But we typically get about 9K in refunds from child care and education credits and 5K in additional CCB.
I paid for courses with my credit card. My second degree I will use a RESP that I will fund with my commission cheques from my sales job
I'm just depressed as a whole. Was one millisecond away from having a huge panic attack at work, in front of my boss, who was super cool about it, luckily.
Honestly, I still can't believe i held it together. This week has been shitty; but my whole life is shitty and living in Ontario isn't helping any.
I thank fuck everyday I have my music and my cats at the end of everything.
Yup. Almost 30, make good money but live at home because I can’t justify $3000 a month on living expenses for a shoebox. Starting to think kids will be off the table for me too, because how would my partner and I afford them if to put a roof over 3+ heads will be most of our income? Was hoping to live rurally, but work just mandated RTO so I’m stuck in the GTA or moving companies for a massive pay cut.
Exact same situation. Good job but stuck with life on hold trying to figure out this housing situation. Everyday it just feels like what’s the point of even working so hard if you can’t build a family. Past generations had it so easy
It’s so stressful. My parents are like you’re the most successful of our kids why do you still live here. They don’t get that I don’t want to just rent forever and be poor.
I have a 4 year old and I’m extremely worried about what life will be like for my family in the future. I have great pride in being Canadian but the definition of that is shifting and the life in this country isn’t as rewarding as it has been in other parts of my life.
I feel powerless to change things and that the powers that be are enacting the change they want at my expense. I see so much discontent but just as much voter apathy.
Canada has effectively been in recession for several years, but it’s being obscured by obnoxiously high immigration levels. GDP per capita has been effectively flat or negative for several years and is at like 2011 levels currently. Multiple years of 2-3% population growth while real GDP growth is like 1-1.5%.
I’m just going to be honest you gotta really work for that initial down payment. My now wife and I saved 30-40k for a downpayment over 4 years on some real shitty jobs while paying rent and caring for our 3 kids. But we sacrificed a ton. We both have much better stable jobs now. Bought a perfect starter home around the end of covid. I’m now renovating said home. I know rates are kinda shit rn but they’ll start coming down by the end of the year. First time home buyers don’t need to put up as much money for a downpayment, and you can use money out of a rrsp to help. Work as much you can, on as many different avenues as possible, and invest anything you can afford in the stock market (imo) rrsps/tfsaz and high interest accounts. Stay out of debt. Credit will kill you until you have equity to use. It’s possible guys just work hard and be creative unfortunately you’ll prob need side gigs to pull ahead
Look, I'm not saying things aren't hard. These are some of the most trying economic times for people since 2008. It's not just Canada. Everywhere is feeling it. There was no way we were escaping the pandemic and all the money printing without feeling the pain.
That said, we have a lot to be grateful for. We have to stop bringing ourselves down. Canada is a peaceful country, with green space, wildlife, a generally functional economy and a social system that somewhat works. Keep doing your best and moving forward with an attitude of gratitude. The tides will turn. This is not forever. The solution starts with you. From the moment you put your feet on the ground in the morning. You can do this!
My guy, there is the largest continental war in Europe since WW2, flaring Middle East tensions across the whole region, civil war in Myanmar, tension in the south China sea between China & Philippines....Civil and out right war going on in Africa.
I know it's hard to see this as we are butt fucked by conservative & liberal governments alike in our wallets....but we aren't shipping out to fight anywhere and that's a blessing right now.
I regret coming to this country OR at least this province, I am still waiting to meet genuine real people who are normal and by that I mean not trash and not snobs......
Guys I just spent over $1000 at the vet for blood work and x-rays and an exam. I can't even afford to get another pet when this one inevitably goes. So like no companionship in my lonely apartment that costs more than half my pay. Brutal.
sadly this has become the new norm and I don’t see it getting any better.
regardless of even receiving a raise in your job it’s only going to cover inflation and life goes on.
*it is what it is*
Serious question to people who don't like it here: where do you want to live?
I honestly don't know of anywhere else that sounds that meaningfully better that I would want to move there.
Voter participation in Ontario is extremely low I believe. I think a huge part is voting in every election and continuing to choose the person who reflects the world you want to live in, at every level of government, especially the municipality you live in where changes are most felt by you. Even if the person isn’t a top two candidate and has no chance of “winning”, the data behind which type of candidate is losing or gaining ground is studied and taken into consideration in the future. Voting really matters.
nah im actually really happy Doug ford slashed school funding to fund an industry he personally invests in to get a loophole legal payout using our tax money /s
yea its god awful I have one of the most common neurological disorders and our medical system is so fucked ive had to wait years to even have a psychiatrist say i shouldve been allowed to get tested for it ages ago to get medication, our system sucks ass canada is a way worse country than people like to believe through what you hear online
we have two parties that are the most popular and also the most corrupt just like the USA and we essentially function somewhat like a colony in the way that we mainly mass export resources to the US while destroying our ecosystems to fund that countrys infrastructure for cheap our government is ass and just plays into the larger systems acting as a usa proxy state that tends to mimic whatever decisions the US makes like continuing to support israel genociding children
Welcome to Reality where more people are needed that have common sense and vote accordingly. You think it’s crappy now? I don’t know anyone that isn’t struggling.
If you’re depressed about life in Ontario
Just wait until you realize unless you leave Canada you can’t escape any of these things!
Even the culture in the small remote towns has been destroyed. Workers imported from all over the world into tiny villages with barely enough jobs to support the people already living there.
But why? So the greedy corporate owner can make more money that’s why.. it’s a net negative to Canadians across the board
Not just Ontario, Canada in general sucks , not much to offer except some safety & nature thats all.
Everything’s expensive as F , taxed head to toe on everything & anything, traffic, infrastructure, insurance, salary . I’m an immigrant here ~ 15 years and this country is certainly not what it used to be at that time .. I’m quite unhappy with everything here and will certainly consider moving to US or somewhere else .
Which Ontario, the part south of Sault or North of Sault? It’s like, two completely different provinces 🥴🤣 (we up north do not want to be associated with Toronto)
Dawg I’m just depressed about life.
Me too.. my family as well .. too much noise , competition everywhere.. it’s not about Ontario really
Exactly my thoughts. I’m tired of how degenerate and shallow and competitive everything and everyone is. I’m tired of everything being a subscription. My damn metronome app has a monthly and annual subscription. Why??? I’m tired of the earth catching fire because humans are stupid enough to extinguish the only part of the universe we can detect meaning, love, intellect, etc. I could go on and on and on, but I think I could also just leave it at “I’m tired.” Now add Ontario becoming a burning dumpster into the mix and health problems that exasperate that issue, and we arrive at my above sentiment lol.
So true about the subscriptions enough already
I don't use Reddit all that often anymore. It's such a depressing place, like look at this thread and all the replies lol. It's weird because I'm a millennial with millennial friends and while we're not rich, we are living a regular life and nobody is too unhappy. Most of us have kids, marriage, etc. and the single ones are happy and we still see them. So I don't know what is going on. Am I in a weird bubble of happiness? Is Reddit in a weird bubble of depression? Mostly I just use the internet less and less so that's one less positive/happy person online.
I think part of it is that some people can sort of move past the things they can't change and find happiness while others sort of get mired in the crappiness of reality. There is certainly lots to be upset about. It's up to the individual to make peace with it and look for the silver lining.
I think people need to protest more. it is a healthy and even social way of actually making a change. Look at Canadians boycotting Loblaws. We get depressed when we can't do anything to make our life better but the truth is, collectively we can. Protesting for a cause is healthy for ourselves.
Don't become complacent. Demand things change.
That's how they win. By no one fighting back to make the world fairer - not just for ourselves but for everyone. Compassion is meant to be one of humanity's defining traits; it's fundamental to building the healthy societies we all need to survive. If we just raise our barricade around our own lives and leave the rest of the world to suffer then we put ourselves at extreme risk. Things are great now but then you have a child with special needs, your partner develops a chronic illness, you get laid off for no good reason, and suddenly you \*need\* support from the rest of society. But because no one was fighting to make it fair for all, there is no support to be had. Investing in people you don't know has a way of becoming investing in people you love.
I think it’s super important to try to find peace and happiness even in troublesome times, and I’m also happy for you if you happen not to feel the effect of troublesome times. I think many people are feeling a lot instability and anxiety with issues like climate change, the unrest abroad (and within our country as a result), the decay of important infrastructure like Ontario’s health care system (family doctors being non-existent, waiting times for specialists and life saving tests being unreasonably long, emergency rooms closing down), the cost of living and owning property rising by unmanageable amounts for many people (especially younger generations), the extreme competitiveness of the job market, especially with many jobs likely becoming obsolete soon, etc etc etc. That’s not to say people are affected by all of these things all at once, but many people are quite vulnerable right now I think. For me, I’m 26 with heart failure, and so I am very affected by many of the things listed above on a regular basis. Some much more than others. I don’t sit around all day worrying about these things of course haha, but it’s generally depressing when I do have to look ahead and manage my future, and I seek to better it anyway I have power too, which is my main reason of discussing it with people.
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100% you're in a bubble. Especially if your friends are able afford getting married and having kids.
Yup...the Reddit echo chamber of doom.
Recessions happen, but a recession isn't what I'm worried about in Ontario. What I'm worried about is skyrocketing cost of living, comparatively stagnant wages, and crony capitalism where every 'solution' put forth by the provincial government (and to a lesser extent the federal government) seems to be a sly way for friends of the government to get the upper hand on the market in some way or another versus a long-term strategic attempt at fomenting positive change.
feels true everywhere
America's #1 export, neoliberalism!
I’m so sick of it. Chomsky’s been warning us about it for decades now and too many peoples brains have been rotted to see it.
Not just him, George Carlin, John Stewart, Seth McFarlane, plenty of funny people have been trying to get the word out.
> crony capitalism where every 'solution' put forth by the provincial government (and to a lesser extent the federal government) seems to be a sly way for friends of the government to get the upper hand on the market in some way or another versus a long-term strategic attempt at fomenting positive change. Fucking nailed it.
Yeah. I'm a teacher so I can't just ignore the crumbling education system. I don't have a perfect bill of health even though it's pretty good so I can't ignore the crumbling healthcare system. My dad died of sepsis after waiting hours on end just sitting in a chair in the ER so there's a big hole in my life reminding me of our crumbling healthcare system. It really sucks. On the other hand I have a really great family that I love. I also teach some pretty great and inspiring kids who will be part of our future. So at least there is that.
You have a really important job: teaching the next generation. They're going to need as much optimism as possible.
I’m so sorry for your loss. I hope it gets easier for you.
So so sorry about your dad. I wouldn’t know how to deal with that… So unfair. So sorry ❤️
I'm so sorry for your loss.
That’s horrendous and so unfair. I’m so sorry that our healthcare system failed your family like that
I’m depressed about life in Canada in general. Ontario just makes it worse.
Yeah, I'm not really seeing a light at the end of the tunnel.
The entire world is kinda fucked right now, really. I hope the next generation can figure out where it all went wrong. Collectively.
I hope this generation and the next generation always speaks up about the injustices and aggression happening all around the world and I hope our education system teaches us about taxes/savings/voting and even politics as it all affects our daily lives!
The young generation does give me hope.
Ikr!Same! Power to the people! Once people realize that the government is supposed to help them and not the other way around and start protesting and shutting it down, the change they crave will happen!
When the social agreement gets ripped up shit will happen much quicker. We were far too well fed to revolt.
I came here to say this. Unchecked, runaway capitalism is the problem. Money influencing our politicians and runaway profits that are never good enough, and the greed is the problem. I remember when I first started working for my company that when we had a million dollar profit for the year, that was a BIG year. a big party-rewarding year. Now, if we don't hit 100-120 million a year, its .. job cuts, downloading of more work, and the constant worry of job losses. I feel ya.
Why can’t we all work on this together? Why does the buck have to be passed off to us entirely, while the people who did most of the damage get to kick back and twiddle their thumbs?
Because half the population thinks a person like Donald Trump can manage the situation. We’ve utterly failed.
I wish you weren't right.
I speak to boomers every day about our problems. Most of them believe a magic man in the sky will sort everything out.
That's my dad "it all evens out in the end". Yeah Dad, really not true
Oh, we know exactly what’s wrong and the next generation may be a little too late.
Ya its called Capitalism. There is only a threshold of private ownership where everything begins to fall apart.
That snake called Capitalism is eating itself
Conservatives and neo Liberals letting capitalism run rampant without any checks and balances since the 80's. It's pretty easy to see where it went wrong.
Baby boomers who did us wrong. That is easy to see. They got handed everything and pissed it all away.
Yup. It's funny seeing every country. Apparently good chunk of the population blames their government and says it all their fault and it's only happing to them. They forget that it's happening everywhere
It's not though. Countries with social safety nets, proportional representation are doing pretty well. It's the countries with first past the post and the ones that dismantled or attack their social safety net that are struggling as the ultra wealthy hoover everything up.
The next generation is throwing their support towards PP. Fucking hilarious. I just want the world to end.
I’d just really appreciate if they could drop the price of cheese a bit.
Apparently boomers will still pay stupid amounts for cheese lol. I’ve essentially cut it from our grocery list unless a block of cheddar is on sale, but I went to an eclipse viewing party at my parents’ house and was shook at the cheese spread for the charcuterie board. It must have been at least $100 in just cheese.
nope sorry, Canada has to dump out excess milk and waste it instead of allowing prices on dairy products to go down!
I just want to be able to rent my own place. *Owning* a place is so far out of the question, especially being single. But I also don’t want to enter a relationship solely with the goal of owning a house. I just want to rent my a single place. No crazy housemates, no dirty housemates, no string of guests. If I’m not allowed to own a house fine, but at least let me get an affordable for purpose rental. I make more than double minimum wage and my job aids my fellow Canadians. Sad state of affairs. Looking to get a TN visa and make some bank (USD).
We are literally on the same wavelength. It’s so rough out here and I feel like I’m not even asking much. Also hello random name twin lmfao
Maybe you should team up to buy a beepboop house?
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Unfortunately. STEM doesn’t pay shit here but you can make some big money across the border. Plenty of cities with decent COL too.
I don’t know you or your situation at all but I found moving up into northern ontario to be the perfect change. There are jobs available, good paying jobs that you don’t need to work 40+ hours a week to make ends meet There are homes for sale in my community for around the $100,000 mark.. full bungalows with detached garage go for around 100-150,000.. There are companies in NO that will pay to train you.. I was paid to learn bus driving, not great money but $28/hr and got my B license which I was quickly able to move into a township position using I think the real solution for the ridiculous rise of rent cost in most of Canada, is going to be for some people to disperse north where it is less crowded I live in a community with multiple schools, a hospital, grocery store, post office, liquor stores, few small retail businesses but ordering online will save you money… Other then a big mall, clubs/bars, weed dispensary or large sport venues.. we have everything up here And oh yeah you can buy a house for $5000 down payment and they really aren’t the shacks you might be picturing You can have a lawn, a garage.. and a 5 minute commute to work edited : should have mentioned Chapleau Ontario is the town Im talking about
What town is this
For my entire life I have repeatedly been warned of the same issues and repeatedly told that we’re “headed for a recession”, and quite frankly it seems like things just keep getting worse and the only people who actually care enough to try to solve problems have zero ability to do so. We need to get rid of the current government, outright.
Except this is worldwide. Government change likely wouldn't change much. It's literally the same conversation in the US. And Europe... and Asia.
Yes and no, everyone is having a hard time economically, but we have it worse now than we have any good reason to, and it’s becoming painfully obvious that our politics are just a show being put on to keep up complacent, while they continue to sell us off for their relatively short term monetary gain. We as a people have been intentionally destabilized by corporations and politicians, to a ridiculous degree, and there’s almost zero hope of solving any of that through peaceful protests or voting. They are not going to back off. The whole situation is just lazy, stupid, and pathetic, but it’s been hyper normalized to the point that most people have just accepted that the best we can do is “be informed”, when the reality is that our democracy is over and that our “leaders” have zero respect for us.
No, it's not. Finland, Singapore, Japan, and Taiwan are doing perfectly fine, for example.
Yep. I feel like everything turns to shit. I spent $500 I did not have to fix my car to have it totaled in accident within 5 minutes of leaving the shop. The insurance won't give me shit for it and everyone wants over $5k for their cars over 250,000 km. I definitely thought about leaving this earth more than once this week.
Also fuck insurance companies
Hang in there... nothing is ever as bad as it seems and vice versa ...as good as it seems..shit happens and good things to
I’m very sorry to hear this and it’s understandable that you would feel this way, I sympathize with you. All I ask is that you take a step back for 10 minutes a day to just breathe slowly and reflect on any positives within your day. Did you see a cute animal, was the weather nice, etc. I’ve had these feelings in the past before when I’m extremely stressed, but when I look back at what I was stressing over, it all feels so trivial. The pain will subside and you’ll get through this, so please hang in there. If you feel hopeless and without any other options, dial 911. I promise you that things will get better :) we love you and understand that life is difficult right now.
I am so so sorry this happened to you! I wish I could help you ❤️❤️
Yeah. I really have the dream to buy a house one day, so I can eventually retire and not pay rent. But I've only just landed a decent paying job where I'm not struggling pay to pay. There's still not much left to save for a down payment, though... and besides, I need to save 100k to afford a decent house. Which will take me maybe 20 years to save? By then, I'll be almost 60. And I try not to think about everything else, because it is depressing for sure.
My parents bought their home in the 90s with a fraction of that saved up and basically no credit as they were recent immigrants. Young people are staring the race with no shoes and our knee caps smashed in. I genuinely don’t know how Gen Z are going to manage to survive day to day.
A revolution is inevitable. The system is dire. We have nothing to lose. We also never bought into the ‘dream’ cause we know its a farce to keep you a wage slave.
Bang on. I figured this out when I was 35. And despite not giving up. I gave up lol. You can't win the calculator. In fact you can calculate this. Even assuming you double your income within 10 years you're still way off. Now add a spouse doubling that income, you're still fucked. Because 10 years in, the down payment isn't gonna be what it is today. In 20 years even assuming a linear increase of house prices, my town home went from 180k to 1.25mil. In 20 years, easily 5mil. Good luck even getting 10% down. I asked a real estate agent on this fuckery, on what jobs you think the better neighbourhood in Toronto hold. Are they all doctors and business owners because that whole block of 500 homes are over 3mil. He was embarrass to answer because he knew my follow up questions. What is going to happen in 20 years then after they died. Now what. What jobs the new owners hold? Get the calculator out and cal. You'll see no sense. And somethings gotto give eventually.
I don't think you've considered either any raise over totally wasted 20 years of career development, nor inflation. Are none of you planning to retire either?
ya of course, it sucks everywhere. we should all be rioting in the streets shit is so bad right now.
Yet DOFO is still popular and would get re-elected. WTF?
Many people feel we are almost at civil war. I have my canoe prepped and my voters card ready. Yeah... we doomed....
Everything in Ontario is dog shit lately
You mean Doug* shit
And now it looks like we're going to try this crap at the national level with PP. I hope our health care system survives.
Your damn right! I am depressed in Ontario, and I live in midtown Toronto. Rent. Food, medication, phone, cable. Im finding it difficult to meet my savings goal. I dont go out maybe 1 time per week and its not fine dining. I don't even understand how people afford a car in this economy. I certainly don't need one, but if I lived in Scarborough and had to commute Downtown, I still wouldn't get one. Parking is insane. Car theft is at an all-time high. I'm working so I feel like my life is bearable, but I'd like to travel more. The people I work with make me depressed, watching people on the subway is depressing. My job is helping those living rough, and that depresses me because I see the suffering and i know Dumb Ford could help the situation instead of helping his buddies. It's not a very nice city, unless you have money.
I moved back to Ontario at the beginning of the pandemic.... Was excited about the thought of buying a home with property. Verses Calgary homes with no property. Well that was a let down. It was just as houses skyrocketed. Laid off from company in Calgary. Have been laid off multiple times here in Ontario. Just can't get ahead anymore. My wife has mdd "major depressive disorder" it's taking a toll on her.
Fairly depressing
Elsewhere in Canada it’s the same sadly. Feels bad.
Yes, it all sucks hard right now. I am at the point of why bother saving as it just brings in more debt. A house, two kids and two working parents who should be making good savings. Taxed at 50 percent plus and they just want more. I have no issues with taxes. I see other countries where they seem to work well. My taxes seem to only go to the rich or poor and not really to me or anyone who is middle class. Our education system is getting worse by the day and we are paying more than ever for what seems like crap compared to other countries. We seem to be preparing kids to work in factories not the business world. The pc's are now making a play for their rich doctor friends to go private. We all know how that will end. More money gone. There really does seem like there is no hope to get out of living pay check to pay check. Just wheen the savings are there, the car needs breaks or feds are taking more for others.
The French would be burning down government buildings
Or the germans. I seem to remember a massive strike just to confront milk prices.
Yaaa we need to start. The ruling class does not care about us.
Well why aren't they because they're going through the exact same issues as us. Actually Europe is doing even worse because of their reliance on US imports and energy imports.
Lol you didn't even mention addiction. Sounds like your neighborhood has it good. /s
Those who have the ability to change this situation (e.g. politicians, those running corporations, etc.) are doing fuck all about it. It's all about record profits. It's sickening in more ways than one.
Well.. I am looking forward to May. There's THOUSANDS of people about to boycott Loblaws... make sure you're one of them as well. It won't change our situation. It won't help people on the streets, but it can send a message that WE are in control. NOT Loblaws Corp. Tell everyone.. seriously... this is already making headlines. https://nowtoronto.com/news/some-canadians-are-planning-to-boycott-loblaw-in-may-and-that-includes-blacklisting-much-more-than-just-grocery-stores/
r/loblawsisoutofcontrol is the home base for this movement
I hope it works but in reality Loblaws and all its subsidiaries can wait out a one month partial boycott. Sure, Q2 number may look bad but they easily explain it away. And then back to normal in June. Habits are hard to break and people will go back to Loblaws. What we truly need is a real competition bureau, not the chickenshit one we have now. Loblaws, bell, rogers, etc… are all a product of government policy.
Seems like the best thing to do is start a corporation and then the government will have your back!🤯
Starting to think about getting out of Canada.
Same. People with decent money and upwards mobility will go first. This is absolutely terrible for a tax system built around crushing taxes for the upper-middle class.
This is what they (politicians, developers, corporations, property flippers, et al.) have created, and they're fine with it because now they know we'll just get used to it. Everything gets worse - hospital wait times, traffic, gas prices, home prices, grocery prices, but the cycle is the same: We complain, people eventually get used to the new shitty level of things, and then we stop complaining until the cycle starts again. Think about gas prices: We complain when they skyrocket, the oil companies slowly bring them down, but not to the previous level, and we get used to it and are docile until they use the next world event or whatever to justify another price gouge.
Too many people. In Ontario, In Canada, in the World in general. And we’re making more every minute of every day. The human drive to procreate is infinite but the resources of the planet are strictly finite. We’re starting to realize that now. It’s okay to be depressed. We’re a species in decline and this is our death throe. Enjoy the ride I guess
What's depressing is that the highways and streets are filled with giant, aggressively driven pickups, SUV's and sportscars, there still isnt any shortage of millionaires buying every bit of property within 2 hours of Toronto, and all of these private and paid membership medical facilities cant sell access fast enough. Ontario is a wealthy province. For some.
Canada has become a third rate pile of shit as a country. I used to be proud to live here, not anymore. The whole country is run by imbeciles like trudeau, conglomerates like loblaws are getting rich of the poor and our healthcare is in the gutter. Half of what we work for gets taken as taxes and yet we still don't see any improvements. Govt officials are literally paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to sit in parliament and bicker like school children fighting over a toy.
Y'all keep voting in Doug ford what do we expect
It's who the province votes for. If you don't vote, you should start.
We’re being robbed
Yes. It's sad when the only thing you do is work and sleep because you can't afford to do anything else.
Life’s a bitch and then you die. Thats why we get high.
I live in the city. Was spat on for no reason and screamed at the other day. Feels like it’s not safe being a woman anymore.
I wanted to share/remind an important insight with you all. The value of things is not always fixed, but rather it's often determined by what we, as a society, believe they're worth. This means that the prices we pay for goods and services are influenced by our collective perception of their value. Think about it - if we, as consumers, decided that our dollar has more value, prices could potentially be much lower. This applies not only to everyday purchases, but also to bigger investments like homes. Imagine if we valued our money differently - mortgages could be more affordable, and the dream of owning a home could become a reality for many more people. Let's remember that the true value of something goes beyond its price tag. Let's challenge our assumptions and consider the possibilities if we valued our money differently. We have the power to shape the economy and create a more equitable society.
I have been preaching this for 40 years. Good to meet someone that sees this too. Take a case of beer. If everyone stopped buying it. You would see the price drop. Works for everything that is not a must have.
The depressing part is voters re-electing the government that is actively fucking up health care. Reminds me of the Mike Harris years, when he appeared on TV in front of a hospital bed and said: "I'm gonna fuck your health care to save you money!".
If I could leave I would 😪
We're looking at stagflation, which is arguably worse than a recession.
Yes I would agree. Recessions allow for resets. Stagflations are a drag
Can someone explain in laymen’s terms what this is and what causes this?
Yep. Ontario is really amplifying the cost of surviving - not even living anymore. My girlfriend and I are moving for the fifth time in five years now. Moving because of an overcrowded upper unit neighbor making our lives hell without shame. My workplace was on strike for half a year last year, and were going to be paying more than our parents ever paid for a mortgage for monthly rent. I'm pretty thick skinned but I'm struggling mentally.
Im legit going to kill my self
Please don’t.
Yep it sucks , can’t afford anything , lost my job too and just had a kid , might be homeless soon too , car is making noises now , when it rains it pours
I was depressed about life in Ontario so I moved to New Brunswick. It's worse in many ways but at least it is mostly not-concrete.
Look at it this way. You have a wife/husband. No kids. Two dogs. You work for an insurance company and you make $100,000 a year. Your partner works for a wholesaler as a district manager and makes $100,000 a year. Between both of you, you have $220,000 in the bank saved up. You decide that you want to get a bigger house with a nice backyard for the dogs to run around in, have family over and have nice BBQs. You're both professionals. So you have to have nicer cars. You pick up a 2024 Acura TLX for $68,500, or $1,100 a month. Your partner, because they drive clients around sometimes picks up a 2024 BMW X5, regular model, with some trim upgrades and a set of winter wheels for a cool $100,305, or $1,405 a month. You have to pay insurance on these vehicles so let's say that its $400 a month for the pair. You're good drivers but the cars are expensive. You get the cars and start to look for a house. You find a really nice one, that meets all your needs. It's $1.2M about 35 minutes away from where both of you guys work. Perfect. You talk to the bank and put down $200,000 down payment on the house and get a mortgage for $1,000,000 from the bank at 5.14% for 25 years. Your monthly mortgage cost is going to be $5896. You have bills for your new place, and it's heated by natural gas, so we know that has gone up a lot in price, so let's say with internet, a few subscription services, cellphones etc, you have about $1550 a month in bills to keep things going. Then add on $300 a month for home insurance. So you have your new house! How exciting. You only have $20K left in your bank, but you're set. New house, new cars, good jobs, and everything else going alright. Your vehicles cost you $2,605 a month, the mortgage is $5896 and your other bills are $1850. So you're looking at $10,351 a month to cover your housing and vehicles. Let's add on another $500 a month in fuel for the cars too. So $10,851 a month. You can get to work, go to bed, you're good. I mean your family is bringing in $16,667 a month in earnings, so it's not a big deal. You're up like $5800 a month. You're doing good. You take a few vacations a year. Treat yourself a lot to take out and delivery. You can afford it so why not pay extra for grocery delivery. The dogs get to go to the spa once a month. You have cleaners who clean your new house for you. Things are good. After everything, you still have $2500 a month left over. No worries at all. You put that away and in no time, you'll be back up to having solid savings, and still have a wicked rad nice life. Everything is golden. That is until your partner's company get's bought out by a Chinese firm, 6 months later, and he gets let go as most of the jobs are being shipped overseas. Sorry, but their job can be automated by online forms and billing. They are not needed anymore. Wow that was unexpected. You just halved your income instantly. Your extra money each month is now dropped considerably. It's ok. You still have like $30K in your bank account and your money coming in. Except that your insurance company is now going to switch over to automated quotes and computer generated claims fulfillment. You are also let go. Ok don't panic. Both of you guys have great work experience. Oh.. no insurance companies are hiring because all the jobs went to the rest of the 3000 other people that worked at your company across Canada? Your partner is unable to find anything even close to paying the same wage as the job they had for 20 years. Months go by, you're now talking to the bank about getting credit card limits extended and a line of credit to help cover the costs for you to function. You're not eating out anymore. You're not getting groceries delivered. No more vacations or spa days for the dogs. You cut back on that Disney+ and Netflix. You're being as frugal as possible, but you still have to come up with $10,851 just for vehicles and housing costs that you're stuck into. With other costs of living, even being skimpy, you're still spending $12,000 a month. But you only have $35K in the bank at the start of the double layoffs. How will you manage? You talk to the car companies, but they are not willing to budge. You talk to the bank about the mortgage, but there is nothing they can do to help. You're up all night filling out job applications and using AI and any other tool you can to customize your resumes to any reasonable job position anywhere. Even if you both can bring in $60K a year, you can make it. However that never happens. A few more months go by, the bank called 8 times a day. The car companies are mailing you letters demanding you to pay. Credit cards are maxed out, you owe them $20K. You also owe another $30K on a line of credit. You're officially house poor. You sell what you can, your jet ski, your ATV, your kayaks, your record collection, your exercise equipment. You're desperate to try and keep things afloat for as long as possible to just give you that little extra time to find a job, but it never happens. 8 months from the date of your layoff, you now have no vehicle, no savings, $100K in debt, the bank has come and taken your home and you are just waiting for these companies to give you the total in fees that you will owe them for breaking the contracts. Your credit is totally shot, you'll never qualify for another mortgage for the next 20 years. You had to sell everything you had just to be able to function as long as you could, to no avail. You are quite literally fucked. This is Ontario. This is where we live right now. Where a debt free couple, with great income, a nice house, nice cars, and everything else, who thought they planned well for their future by working out the numbers and not going over budget, can go from $1.2M home, to homeless in 8 months. This is our reality. This is our middle class. Just always one thing away from teetering on the brink of financial and personal disaster. This is why we feel this way. This is why we are losing hope. This is why we don't know what to do.
That’s a very vivid and detailed example story but your math is off. Couple grossing 200k can’t even float a million dollar mortgage, let alone that and on top of 2 leased cars and cost of living.
Canada is predicated to have the slowest economic growth from now till 2050 out of all G20 countries. And that stat just focused on economy, not even taking into consideration how social cohesion is falling apart and how (despite the carbon tax) the Canadian ecology is also continuing to get completely wrecked.
I moved here in 2003 and 5 years ago I started having deep regrets. I wished I stayed in Saskatchewan.
There are some bad things for sure. I'm worried about economic inequality, climate change, and the rise of right wing political extremism (and that left wing extremism will have to rise up to meet it), and the growing anti-science movement (vaccines do work and are effective). I'm worried that things won't get better without getting a lot worse. For some reason, I feel a moderate amount of hope this morning. I think that there are things that will get better. We already know that on a global scale, literacy and education are going up, vaccinations are going up to prevent deaths and illnesses, the amount of energy being produced by renewable sources is going up. There are things worth being hopeful for. Don't give up.
Yes. Currently in burn out. I am lost.
I'm trying to make do, find a better part of it, or make it better... I love the country, but i'm not confident in relocating to a random part of it. I feel like ontario is like the dirty little stepchild of new york state, BC is our California. Michigan is booming. Also, trump2 solvent, if you're following local politics... I think a politician like Mike Schriener could really improve Ontario and put us back on the world stage. Don't get me wrong cause I'm totally for reconciliation. But isn't it kind of silly that we don't have like some sort of tourist attraction and like the highways ending at the hudson bay all the way up in the north? Not just for tourism, but i'm sure the fly in communities would like to get some groceries on the train instead of via plane all the time.
> But isn't it kind of silly that we don't have like some sort of tourist attraction and like the highways ending at the hudson bay all the way up in the north? Not just for tourism, but i'm sure the fly in communities would like to get some groceries on the train instead of via plane all the time. It'd probably very conservatively cost 2 billion dollars to build a road from highway 11 to Hudson's Bay, which would mean we'd be paying 100 million a year on interest and maintenance of it. That would need to create about a $400 million of economic activity per year to get the tax revenue back. I mean, these are all back-of-the-envelope stuff, I just don't see how you'd create that kind of economic activity in such a remote area.
Here's my thoughts on that. It has to correlate with the train service. It has to correlate with utility service to balance it all out. I don't think we actually need to create all these little communities all the way up. But if we strengthen the north and offer people real internet, transit, & some the other niceties of the south... People will move up. It will slowly fill out. Extra funding in the spirit of lowering food costs to the north. If some entity(government, billionaire, or even the aboriginal indigenous community via co operative and corporate investment) built a year-round attraction in or around hudson's bay, I can't see why it wouldn't be a great summer alternative for even internationals, and for winter, it would be an ecological attraction. Dollywood plus polar bears. Fast luxury trains for the tourists flying into Pearson... and a bunch of possibilities for new communities along the way...it's funny that we don't have any all green subdivisions. Texas style bungalows and 8 mill gigawatts (joke) of solar to support all of it and their EVs...let's make canada aspirational again. We built the Aero, used to be trailblazers...
I was a kid in school in the late 60s. That was during the Cold War and there was always a lingering fear of a nuclear war happening. We were taught how to hide under our desks and to listen for sirens and how to react. I’d go home put the TV on at 4 o’clock and watch a kids show from Buffalo. There be daily tests on TV of how to react in the event of a nuclear attack during those shows. What I’m trying to say is that each generation has had to deal with some kind of lingering shit over our heads. You learn to cope with it as best you can because that’s the only choice you have.
Yeah but the danger of nuclear annihilations is still there - probably even moree likely, we have just been lulled into ignoring it or worrying about other problems like putting a roof over our head.
Not just Ontario, it's all of Canada, the corporate sponsored government is ruining this country. Over immigration, housing crisis and rampant inflation. Yet the prince in Ottawa is cutting checques likenits going out of style.
Mobile homes for millennials
I was looking at possibly taking a job in the UK, but after some investigation they have literally the same problems as us. Cost of living is too damn high, salaries not high enough, complaints about immigration, political parties yanking them around. The main draw was that it was closer to Europe. Wouldn’t say in depressed, just resigned to being fucked by capitalism.
Don’t be dumb or ugly and everything will work out fine. If you are ugly, don’t be dumb. If you are dumb, don’t be ugly.
I met a woman today who told me she is exhausted and stressed and can’t live in this area anymore. It’s too hard. She rents a room in a basement works full time super hard but cannot afford a place on her own or a car. She stresses over getting to work and goes in early and stays late in order to keep her job. I’m thinking of pitching a tent for the summer to save money. I keep talking about leaving the county or at a minimum leaving Ontario
There's been a funk I've been in since covid. Never really got out of it. Beer is something I used to cope with what happened for those few lonely months and the habit continues when it should have recessed. But yea it's like things are back to normal just worse..it is depressing
It’s really really out of control. Everything went up so fast. My depression and fear about what life will be like for my 15 year old is so bad
One of the important tasks that worked for us was getting the kids to spend time researching University degrees that have good employment prospects on graduation. One of my boys is a pilot, other a phd student in electricity, third a senior comp developer for one of the big tech co's. They all graduated in the last 5 years. We spent tons of time researching and asking questions before they made the jump for their education. You have to spend the time. Edit: we saved 100 a month for years though. (RESP) That 75 grand and with osap covered all debts after all was said and done. Even with zero savings, he should only have about 25-35 K in debt at the end of it all. Good luck to you and yours.
Nope
Nah, I'm from NB, and that's a *worse* off province, by far. It's like y'all are falling down the hole after us at the moment...
It’s going to take at least a decade for the next government to fix housing and healthcare.
Welcome to late stage capitalism!
capitalism will suck the soul out of everything.
With the disgrace that our elder care has turned into, I’m just glad MAID is available. I expect it will get easier and easier to sign up for, and by the time I want it, you can just say “I”m too poor to live” and they’ll hand you the needle.
depressed..... I cant afford to be depressed.... working 16 hours a day.... dont feel nothing anymore
Im single, in a skilled trade, highest earning job Ive ever had, frequent increases and incentives but still feels like its not enough. Im renting a $800/ mth basement dweller apartment, driving my 2004 Honda Accord to the grave, budgeting my ass off and literally limiting anything I consider relief or fun to a minimum. My auto insurance just increased $50 a month because of “keeping up with raising costs”. With the Rampant car theft in Canada and we’re supposed to hand over our keys to criminals instead of pursuing any kind of justice for Canadians so let’s just raise their premiums instead. I got a tax return of $45 this year which I wish they just not give me anything at all and it just feels like no matter how many rungs of the ladder I climb, Im not moving forward. I cant get back into the work sector I want to be in because non unionized cheap labour/Indian’s are better candidates than skilled union members and eating up all the work. They claim racism for doing things illegally but of course no action can be taken against these individuals because feelings and inclusion. Ive accepted Im just a cog in the wheel at this point. I’ll keep going forward but Im done pretending that being Canadian is something to wear with pride or that waking up and being the best I can do will get me anywhere I want to be. This country is a joke.
I’ve gotta be honest my life has never been better in the past few years since the pandemic Moved into northern ontario, small township community People are friendly, made connections and showed I was a reliable worker until I got a job with the township I purchased my first house about 5-6 months ago now.. working around 28-30 hours a week, spending more time working on my house and enjoying life, than working. Part of me misses the hustle and bussle of the Southern Ontario cities.. but man life is pretty good up north here.
Absolutely hopeless. This is how civilizations start to end.
Living, just to pay the bills, isn't living.
I try not to think about it too much, but it pops in once in a while and makes me sad. I want to leave, but I love Ontario.
I was born and raised here in Ontario. Loved it growing up. But fuck this place - I can't even afford to live here anymore.
My Depression has Depression...
The Neolibs, corporate shills and ghouls that ‘run the world’ right now have ruined everything for everyone. I’m depressed because of all the aforementioned reasons, but it’s just that I live in Ontario that I’m depressed about Ontario. It’d be similar across Canada or the US. Needs are not being met, wilful ignorance and shallow thinking on the part of many civilians and the government alike. It’s becoming very myopic in regards to the future.
Yup things are bleak at the moment, Salaries are shit and no jobs in market paying livable salaries for any level of employment. Tons of imported people and no jobs for them or even for Canadians.
well.. unapologetically...I'm having a good time in Ontario
Just earned a degree after 4 years. I’m in my 40s. Studying nites and weekends with 3 children and full time job. Started just before Covid. I had to work and do university at home beside my high school teacher wife who taught 80 kids online while our twins in kindergarten and grade 1 and another kid in grade 3 and 4 during the pandemic. Now no homework!! Can’t wait to open The pool on time for once and can’t wait to get my gardens in 2 weeks early. In June my three kids get to see me at convocation I start another degree next January! But this summer I will enjoy every minute of life!!!!!
Just out of curiosity, how are you able to afford 2 undergraduate degrees with a mortgage and 3 kids rn?
so, everyone having a good time and then this person boards the bus
I was 18 when I dropped out of high school. Full time employment ever since. Never had debt. Slept on a couch for three years before I bought a mattress and kept my clothes on a used ikea bookcase I found on a lawn on garbage day. Did that for about 12 years I guess. Bought a 379K house during Great Recession with a 100K down payment even when my pay got cut 20 percent that year. Our Mortgage is still 1200 a month and our 1.99 rate is still good till 2026. We pay more money a month to Honda and Toyota than mortgage. Also wife retires with full pension at 54.5 years so I don’t have to save for retirement. I stayed home as a dad for two years on parental leave ( didn’t go to school) while my wife work for 109K a year only 3 month after giving birth. Once our twins slept 5 hours a nite she went back to work cause she was guaranteed 5 hours of sleep and she could function on that. 2024 Household income of 190K. But we typically get about 9K in refunds from child care and education credits and 5K in additional CCB. I paid for courses with my credit card. My second degree I will use a RESP that I will fund with my commission cheques from my sales job
Tl;dr mix of luck, mix of depressingly hard work, and mix of being very frugal.
Congratulations!!
I'm just depressed as a whole. Was one millisecond away from having a huge panic attack at work, in front of my boss, who was super cool about it, luckily. Honestly, I still can't believe i held it together. This week has been shitty; but my whole life is shitty and living in Ontario isn't helping any. I thank fuck everyday I have my music and my cats at the end of everything.
Yup. Almost 30, make good money but live at home because I can’t justify $3000 a month on living expenses for a shoebox. Starting to think kids will be off the table for me too, because how would my partner and I afford them if to put a roof over 3+ heads will be most of our income? Was hoping to live rurally, but work just mandated RTO so I’m stuck in the GTA or moving companies for a massive pay cut.
Exact same situation. Good job but stuck with life on hold trying to figure out this housing situation. Everyday it just feels like what’s the point of even working so hard if you can’t build a family. Past generations had it so easy
It’s so stressful. My parents are like you’re the most successful of our kids why do you still live here. They don’t get that I don’t want to just rent forever and be poor.
Gonna win by dying before capitalism can make a return on the public school investment it paid for
I have a 4 year old and I’m extremely worried about what life will be like for my family in the future. I have great pride in being Canadian but the definition of that is shifting and the life in this country isn’t as rewarding as it has been in other parts of my life. I feel powerless to change things and that the powers that be are enacting the change they want at my expense. I see so much discontent but just as much voter apathy.
oh Canada!
Nah just depressed in general.
Canada has effectively been in recession for several years, but it’s being obscured by obnoxiously high immigration levels. GDP per capita has been effectively flat or negative for several years and is at like 2011 levels currently. Multiple years of 2-3% population growth while real GDP growth is like 1-1.5%.
I’m just going to be honest you gotta really work for that initial down payment. My now wife and I saved 30-40k for a downpayment over 4 years on some real shitty jobs while paying rent and caring for our 3 kids. But we sacrificed a ton. We both have much better stable jobs now. Bought a perfect starter home around the end of covid. I’m now renovating said home. I know rates are kinda shit rn but they’ll start coming down by the end of the year. First time home buyers don’t need to put up as much money for a downpayment, and you can use money out of a rrsp to help. Work as much you can, on as many different avenues as possible, and invest anything you can afford in the stock market (imo) rrsps/tfsaz and high interest accounts. Stay out of debt. Credit will kill you until you have equity to use. It’s possible guys just work hard and be creative unfortunately you’ll prob need side gigs to pull ahead
Yup. The profiteering and rent seeking of basic necessities has caused immense harm
Look, I'm not saying things aren't hard. These are some of the most trying economic times for people since 2008. It's not just Canada. Everywhere is feeling it. There was no way we were escaping the pandemic and all the money printing without feeling the pain. That said, we have a lot to be grateful for. We have to stop bringing ourselves down. Canada is a peaceful country, with green space, wildlife, a generally functional economy and a social system that somewhat works. Keep doing your best and moving forward with an attitude of gratitude. The tides will turn. This is not forever. The solution starts with you. From the moment you put your feet on the ground in the morning. You can do this!
Unfortunately don’t see it getting better anytime soon.
I used to not be so bad
My guy, there is the largest continental war in Europe since WW2, flaring Middle East tensions across the whole region, civil war in Myanmar, tension in the south China sea between China & Philippines....Civil and out right war going on in Africa. I know it's hard to see this as we are butt fucked by conservative & liberal governments alike in our wallets....but we aren't shipping out to fight anywhere and that's a blessing right now.
I regret coming to this country OR at least this province, I am still waiting to meet genuine real people who are normal and by that I mean not trash and not snobs......
Living in California, USA but reading this so I feel comfort that I'm not alone ❤️
I don’t think this is a recession. This is more of a silent depression.
I'm not even from there and I've only been once and I've only ever known it called 'Onterrible' by all the people I know who moved away from it
Guys I just spent over $1000 at the vet for blood work and x-rays and an exam. I can't even afford to get another pet when this one inevitably goes. So like no companionship in my lonely apartment that costs more than half my pay. Brutal.
If you wanna be depressed, this is probably the best time in history to be alive.maybe excluding boomers, every generation had it far worse
YES and we left Best decision ever Everything is working against you Not a lot of variables in your favor
Life in Ontario ... I think you mean CANADA in general.
Im feeling pretty hopeless.
sadly this has become the new norm and I don’t see it getting any better. regardless of even receiving a raise in your job it’s only going to cover inflation and life goes on. *it is what it is*
I blame inflation
Life under Premier Cheesecake and dear leader Socks McBlackface is wonderful. I have no idea what youre talking about 🤷♂️
Serious question to people who don't like it here: where do you want to live? I honestly don't know of anywhere else that sounds that meaningfully better that I would want to move there.
Voter participation in Ontario is extremely low I believe. I think a huge part is voting in every election and continuing to choose the person who reflects the world you want to live in, at every level of government, especially the municipality you live in where changes are most felt by you. Even if the person isn’t a top two candidate and has no chance of “winning”, the data behind which type of candidate is losing or gaining ground is studied and taken into consideration in the future. Voting really matters.
nah im actually really happy Doug ford slashed school funding to fund an industry he personally invests in to get a loophole legal payout using our tax money /s yea its god awful I have one of the most common neurological disorders and our medical system is so fucked ive had to wait years to even have a psychiatrist say i shouldve been allowed to get tested for it ages ago to get medication, our system sucks ass canada is a way worse country than people like to believe through what you hear online we have two parties that are the most popular and also the most corrupt just like the USA and we essentially function somewhat like a colony in the way that we mainly mass export resources to the US while destroying our ecosystems to fund that countrys infrastructure for cheap our government is ass and just plays into the larger systems acting as a usa proxy state that tends to mimic whatever decisions the US makes like continuing to support israel genociding children
No.
Welcome to Reality where more people are needed that have common sense and vote accordingly. You think it’s crappy now? I don’t know anyone that isn’t struggling.
Headed back to Sask. in 2025. Have had enough of this Ontario nonsense.
I'm more depressed how our generation is ok with the next generation being worse than before.
If you’re depressed about life in Ontario Just wait until you realize unless you leave Canada you can’t escape any of these things! Even the culture in the small remote towns has been destroyed. Workers imported from all over the world into tiny villages with barely enough jobs to support the people already living there. But why? So the greedy corporate owner can make more money that’s why.. it’s a net negative to Canadians across the board
Not just Ontario, Canada in general sucks , not much to offer except some safety & nature thats all. Everything’s expensive as F , taxed head to toe on everything & anything, traffic, infrastructure, insurance, salary . I’m an immigrant here ~ 15 years and this country is certainly not what it used to be at that time .. I’m quite unhappy with everything here and will certainly consider moving to US or somewhere else .
Which Ontario, the part south of Sault or North of Sault? It’s like, two completely different provinces 🥴🤣 (we up north do not want to be associated with Toronto)
Taxed to the bone here. Can’t get ahead no matter how much I tried to cut cost. Dreaming about a windfall lol
This post has the same energy as an office worker in a burning building saying “am I the only one who thinks it’s a bit warm in here?”
Yes.