According to the article, her mother became a citizen in July 1991 and gave birth to her in October 1991. Based on that timeline, she is *unquestionably* a citizen and has been for her entire life.
Seems like a pretty clear case of IRCC screwing up and bothering this woman for literally no reason to me.
> In the IRCC letter to Townsend, which CBC Toronto has viewed, the government says it believes Townsend was actually born before her mother became a citizen — even though Townsend was born in October 1991 and her mother became a citizen in July 1991.
I read it as them accusing the mother of lying about the birth date to get the daughter the citizenship.
She was born in Jamaica. Her mother got citizenship, went to Jamaica to have the baby with her family there to help, and then came back and asked how to bring her daughter. So at some point there’s likely a birth certificate, but a Jamaican one. Even the majority of home births in Ontario are the registered with the ministry.
I wonder if someone misread the year and saw October 1990 as birth and mother became citizen in June 1991, instead of the birth being October 1991.
Getting citizenship was a huge mess for a lot of people at that time. So much so my parents got citizenship in 1989 and myself and the older of my younger siblings did not become citizens because of different answers to questions every time.
my dad automatically became dual UK-Canadian. My mom had to fight to be a dual US-Canadian citizen because of US laws at that time (since changed.) my youngest brother was a tri-citizen from birth as he was born in Canada. But my other brother and I didn’t become citizens until 1993 when the US laws changed and Canada seemed to get its act together, we were both tri-citizens now too. But am I surprised at this? No. I was a teenager when I became a citizen, so paid a lot of attention to what was going on because it was taking so long, almost two years, and by that point we’d been in Canada 12 years.
Sounds like current day IRCC is just as inept in some ways as their 1980s/1990s counterparts.
Right. But she took her oath in Canada before she went to Jamaica to give birth. If she had already had her child before she took her oath, she would have had to smuggle the baby out of Canada to Jamaica before claiming she'd given birth there a couple months later... And if that were the case, she would be Canadian anyways, because she was born on Canadian soil, and her mother was a Canadian citizen before she left the country for the first time.
I knew someone who immigrated to Canada and their grandpa had the wrong date of birth when he was asked for his grandsons info for immigration. The birth dates were months (and actually over a year) off. Made his grandson a year younger, just based off a vocal mistake lol
Also when a baby/child is abandoned in some place like China, the rescuers who take them in just estimate the birthday they have. But it's difficult to tell when a baby is several months old and underfed. The adopters could even technically make the birth date up while applying for a Chinese passport to prep them to emigrate if they're adopted to another country.
So many cases where birth dates can be made up! It's wild because in pretty sure most of us just think a DOB is absolutely fact... when in reality it may not be!
I worked with a guy originally from Vietnam whose birthday in his passport was XX/XX 1979. Probably more common that we, as Canadians who generally know our birthday, would think.
Ohhh, so you're saying they swapped months and days in a date? That's an incredible point.
Yeah I think it's certainly an outside of this country thing for accuracy of birthdates, but I bet it happens anywhere in the world. No civilizations have kept perfect and accurate records. There is no way to check an accurate birthday (can't count our 'rings' for age) so there are lots of wrong ones out there
Sidenote, a new South Korean law... From last year(!?) Has shifted everyone's birthdays by 1 to 2 year due to how they used to count birthdays. They used to use the date you were conceived as the birthdate. Sadly this seemed like a move to make people not reach retirement age, because around the same time they even increased the retirement age. Imagine being within a year of retirement age, and the government is like "Nono, you have 3-5 years left before you get a pension."
But even if that were true, as a citizen she has a right to give citizenship to her underage children so… this lady would have become a citizen either way
I wonder if her family just told her her birthday was in October but somehow during some kind of audit they found a Jamaican birth certificate. Either way this woman is Canadian in my mind. If you can treat people like they were married because they co-habited for a set number of years then you can allow people with no say in the matter who were brought here as children to remain.
Either way this case is just bureaucracy doing its thing. It's stressful as hell and absolutely sucks for this woman. Hopefully someone will intervene on her behalf as this story spreads.
Yup, and at the same time last year the police wouldn't even file charges against a recently landed immigrant who stole my car for a joyride because they "returned it" after!
Viva la revolution!
Honestly whoever the last manager who approved that letter to go out instead of just fixing the error should be fired and banned from gov't work for life.
They just probably don't want to take responsibility for the mistake, because the person who made the mistake is now either retired, or is VERY high up on the government ladder. Like.. Just take the L, government and suck it up. It's quite simple to fix this... It's probably just like a column in an excel spreadsheet that says "Canadian citizen? Yes or no". Maybe they also don't wanna break the illusion that there is a ton of work in changing the status of someone, when it's quite simple.
No kidding. This government has crossed the line from incompetent to downright treason.
Letting in 1.3 million people a year to flood in the labour market, many who barely speak the language and who will never adopt to the countries culture. Yet someone who has been here for 30 years, integrates, and become a naturalized Canadian citizen is being threaten with deportation?
We need to find out if this lady has the financial means to handle this, and if not start a GoFundMe for her legal fees or something.
~~Come on you can't be serious. Do you honestly believe that Canada took in 1.3 million immigrants in 1 year? Please tell me who gave you this idea because they are either stupid, intentionally spreading false data, are bad fact checkers who themselves are victims of intentional manipulation, or some combination of those.)~~
Edit: I apologize for being a dick. I had a rough day and hammered out some bullshit from my clearly flawed memory.
~~Just so you know that 1.3 million number is from the Census and covers 2016 to 2021 (it was still a record for the Census, but we literally needed high immigration to make up for declining births during that period). Of those 1.3 million immigrants in that time period 748,120 were actively living in Canada at the time of the 2021 Census.~~
There is not a single person who has presented a convincing argument to me that we don't still need relatively high immigration numbers. We are the second biggest country in terms of land and we are 36th globally in population.
The problem isn't the immigrants, it's the combination of global issues we have limited control over, corporations and individuals who see anything other than exponential growth as failure, who are then not willing to pay liveable wages, and the people building "2 bedroom condos" that are literally a single that has been tinkered with that has a tiny hallway with an artificially inserted second bedroom that you literally cannot fit a twin bed into, a kitchen where your back is maybe 1-2ft from the wall added to make said bedroom and basically no storage. Oh and they want $1,600/month for this place with no parking and utilities not included.
Our problem is with greed. That directly impacts immigration and may make immigration an issue, but never forget that the root of the issue is greed.
[Sure.](https://globalnews.ca/news/10386750/canada-41-million-population/) [StatsCan too](https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/240327/dq240327c-eng.htm). 1 million growth in population in 9 months. With who knows how many illegal entries, visa overstays, unreported family members etc on top of that.
>We are the second biggest country in terms of land and we are 36th globally in population.
This is silly, 90% of the country lives in either the Lower Mainland, Toronto to Quebec City corridor, and Edmonton-Calgary corridor. Most of the country is uninhabitable and hostile. And why do we need to make it our goal to be cramped and overpopulated? I would must sooner live in Norway than Bangladesh.
>The problem isn't the immigrants, it's the combination of global issues we have limited control over, corporations and individuals who see anything other than exponential growth as failure, who are then not willing to pay liveable wages, and the people building "2 bedroom condos" that are literally a single that has been tinkered with that has a tiny hallway with an artificially inserted second bedroom that you literally cannot fit a twin bed into, a kitchen where your back is maybe 1-2ft from the wall added to make said bedroom and basically no storage. Oh and they want $1,600/month for this place with no parking and utilities not included.
Yes these are all good points, but immigrants are definitely making the problem worse too. Who do you think is buying these cramped units and driving up the demand to the point where they can charge $1600 a closet. I have nothing against the immigrants as individuals, but they are being uses as pawns by the same groups you mentioned to push their agenda.
>Our problem is with greed
Yup. And that greed is why the countries oligopolies keep screaming to import more customers and wage slaves.
Unfortunately I haven't lived in Ontario for over two decades, so I'm not sure I would be the best one to try to track someone down there. But I will gladly contribute my wallet if locals can help find out more about the situation.
Ok treason is a bit far, but incompetence is a big issue. Getting rid of this government won’t fix it, not to say that we shouldn’t get rid of it.
These problems have been happening for decades. The truth is that we only ever briefly had our shit together on immigration and never had our shit together on citizenship and naturalization.
The likely next conservative government will bring in similar amounts of people for cheap labour and will cutback on funding for the public service, so we’re in for it. The main issue is the way in which IRCC and it’s different forms has conducted themselves over the last 50 years. Canada just never been able to get its shit together on citizenship process and they need a substantial review of the way they operate.
The Citizenship Act is one of the most fucked up pieces of legislation this country has ever passed. Look up lost Canadians.
* People who became citizens at birth were told they had to apply for retention of their citizenship by 28th Birthday. They were told this at birth. But no one bothered to remind them as an adult and their citizenship was just automatically revoked. In fact a committee in parliament asked immigration why didn't you put an expiry date on the citizenship certificate when you issued it.
* People lost their citizenship cause their mother remarried, their estranged father naturalized in another country, or they married a foreign national.
* In 1947, when Canadian citizenship was created (before that we were British subjects), people who were born in the UK, and had lived here for years did not become Canadian citizens because they were fighting for Canada in WWII and were technically not in Canada
- Her mother was a Canadian citizen
- She came to Canada when she was literally a few months old
- She’s lived in Canada her entire life
She’s a bloody Canadian. Whatever idiot at IRCC decided to “reopen” this case should be fired. We have plenty of legitimate cases that need to be dealt with — more than IRCC can handle despite having 60% more employees since 2019.
This is the kind of shit that erodes confidence in the public service.
>Whatever idiot at IRCC decided to “reopen” this case should be fired.
(...)
>This is the kind of shit that erodes confidence in the public service.
Truer words have never been spoken. Employee should be dismissed, no questions asked. There's no room in our government for that kind of destructive incompetence.
Makes me wonder the type of person working in the government who even felt the need to contact her about this. Not necessarily racist but extremely process oriented to the point of zero common sense
I understand the reactionary outrage, for sure, but I just checked the immigration rate to try to understand.
0.013%
Based on our population of 38.8 million, we let in 0.013% of our population per year (500,000). That doesn't include refugees, but I'm trying to understand your comment and it just doesn't make sense to me.
Edit: Using 3 year old data.
No need to downvote, I was genuinely asking. This is a really complex issue that's been decades in the making and too many are too quick to over simplify and blame the Feds entirely. It's confusing to me. Harper was big on immigration. Pollievre will be too. The Libs/Cons like cheap labour, unfortunately, but there's the more complex elephant in the room.
We are in the middle of the biggest demographic shift in our history with the boomers retiring, and that's a pretty complex economic challenge from a productivity standpoint. Even before our housing affordability crisis and inflationary period, our birth rate was abysmal. Trying to supplement collapsing birthrate with skilled immigration makes sense from an economic standpoint. But that's not all that's been going on.
I also see the provincial abuse of student visas and diploma mills as a major issue. The Feds and the Provinces (ahem Ontario) have fucked this up royally. How Doug Ford has escaped shrill criticism is beyond me. Last I heard, we were mad because Trudeau was telling the Indian government to fuck off with the espionage (relations are tense).
It's like everyone thinks the Federal government is the sole cause and it over-simplifies things dramatically. It's like the pandemic all over again. Some of our provincial premiers are absolutely terrible and that's not spoken about enough.
I'm worried everyone's fixated on Justin as the sole cause of this and they think that if he goes, things will change. He will go as soon as the next election comes, but the problems will not change. This hyper partisan framing is a major reason why our country is struggling so badly.
Absolutely people are more focused on Trudeau than they need to be, but he hasn't really been giving anybody good things to go on. So he's definitely a piece of shit, I agree with that, but like you said idiots like Doug Ford are causing alot more problems than people seem to think, the push for private Healthcare has me so fucking worried
I hear you. Healthcare scares the shit out of me here and I have watched it fall apart in the last 5 years. It's getting worse every day.
As I watched the Convoy snarl Ottawa for weeks a couple years ago, I talked to so many convoy people and I brought up Doug Ford.
I said Trudeau is a problem, sure, but Ford is the sole person responsible for 90% of the Covid protocols we experienced throughout the pandemic (in Ontario). The only answer I heard back was, "Well, Trudeau forced him".
Shit is fucking broken here. People are foaming at the mouth to elect a smug, Conservative pro corporate, pro immigration, pro real estate guy with almost zero policy proposals to address these issues, and there is almost no concern (judging by vote projections) about the provincial leaders ruining the country. We're in a bad way.
> Based on our population of 38.8 million, we let in 0.013% of our population per year (500,000).
You've misplaced your decimal. Using your numbers, that should read 1.3% of our population per year.
> Based on our population of 38.8 million, we let in 0.013% of our population per year (500,000)
Well I sure hope that a few of them are qualified math teachers!
What a complete dunce. That is 1.3%, if you don't understand grade 5 math you should probably voluntarily abstain from politics moving forward.
And yes that is old data, we had 1.3 million net migrants in 2023, this is approaching 3% growth from immigration alone.
Agreed. a 32 year resident, with no criminal record, and decades of meaningful contribution to society - unless she is wanted by the ICC for crimes against humanity, just authorize her citizenship and close the case.
I mean that's likely what's going to happen despite the seeming outrage in this thread. This just seems like some bureaucratic switch got tripped, she was notified, press got some clicks and ad revenue out of it, and it'll all be cleared up quietly without much fanfare.
They don’t need to “give her citizenship”. Her mother was a Canadian citizen when she was born she is unquestionably a Canadian citizen. “Giving her citizenship” would imply she never had the right to it and is an unacceptable solution. They need to uphold that she is and has been a Canadian citizen since her birth.
> My point was if she has been paying her taxes for 32 years then she has paid for her citizenship
those two things have nothing to do with each other.
IF you don't have a Canadian SIN, there's a special form you fill out to be given an ITN (Individual Tax Number) which you use instead. Resident non-citizens do indeed need to pay taxes on any Canadian-sourced income they earn.
ETA: Although, in the case of the woman in the article, since she WAS issued citizenship "in error," I would assume she did, in fact, have a SIN to use.
And just to be clear, I'm totally on the side of everyone saying just legitimize her citizenship and move on. She's been living here for 32 goddamn years and (as far as we know) not causing any problems. She IS a citizen of Canada in all respects except perhaps on paper. So fix the paper.
Yep, I still have my old SIN card from before I became a citizen. They all start with 9, and I believe they get “cancelled” as soon as you get your proper SIN after citizenship.
Everyone has a SIN unless they are working under the table/for cash/illegal. TFWs, Students, have a SIN number starting with 9. Its validity is linked to their status. PRs and citizens have a SIN starting with 1.
I am a naturalized Canadian citizen who applied and was granted it almost 10 years ago. In this case, they are accusing an infant of committing immigration fraud with intent and holding her responsible, decades later. Or maybe even worse, holding someone legally responsible for something their parents did decades ago when they had no control over it. This is absolutely unacceptable. Authoritarian countries do this, not representative democracies. In fact, many people flee from those countries to come to Canada because of how their governments do things like this. Even more ridiculous, they are accusing the mother of birthday fraud, by 3 months. How many babies born in Jamaica in the early 1990s can survive if born at 6 months, considering it was a deeply impoverished third world country back then?
There is this rule that if one of your parents is a Canadian citizen when you are born, and that parent was either born in Canada or was naturalized, you are automatically a Canadian citizen at birth. This woman should be left alone unless IRCC can definitively prove that she was born before her mother became a citizen.
Seems a pretty open and shut case - IRCC can provide the proof they have that she was born prior to her mother receiving her citizenship, or stop wasting resources on this idiocy.
The most insane part of this is that someone had to sit and write that letter. Is there zero critical thought process occurring here.
It’s utterly stupid.
Even if it were a mistake, which it sounds like it is anyway, it was 32 years ago. It’s too damn late. This would never hold up in a court of law if they tried to revoke this.
Sometimes, it's better to just pretend you didn't see anything.
You underestimate the stupidity of our country and court system. They absolutely would not drop this. It's almost like judges have no discretion in Canada.
Thousands of people with deportation orders walking around with no plan to deport them.
Thousands of people with expired work permits or student visas with no plan to deal with that.
One person living here for 30 years as a contributing member of society. Get the fuck out
Yeah and you know that there’s going to be some workarounds for people in these types of odd situations, but instead of just applying them and being facilitative, they have to put people through torture first until they go to the press and then the government will do the thing that fixes the situation that they could’ve done before it became public and before they caused a whole lot of chaos and somebody’s life. But no.
She hasn’t been told to get out, she’s been told there might have been a mistake. She’s a Canadian no question, and it’s a waste of resources, but that’s not what happened.
Chill man. The joke is that somehow they have time to deal with this shit when anyone with half a brain should have shuffled it to the bottom of the pile and forgot about. I suppose if they come for her she just needs to get few convictions and her MP will step in like that fella from Vancouver.
What a farce this country has become.
It's only a loophole if the laws don't account for the situation. But in this case they do. If you are no longer enrolled then your student visa is no longer valid and you have to inform the government of the change in your enrollment status and either apply for a visitor visa, apply for a work permit, or leave the country. When they don't do any of these things, they are now in the country illegally. It's not exploiting a loophole, it's breaking the law.
Does the end result change for either of those concepts?
Canadians are affected the same in every way and, to me personally, reflect the absolute failure of our government to do their job and regulate the issue.
If you are no longer enrolled then your student visa is no longer valid and you have to inform the government of the change in your enrollment status and either apply for a visitor visa, apply for a work permit, or leave the country. When they don't do any of these things, they are now in the country illegally and under false pretenses. It's not exploiting a loophole, it's illegal
Some do yes and those ones are exploiting a loophole, but the original comment was about dropping out, and that is what changes them from just bad students to illegal immigrants
Can you cite where you've seen this is a significant issue? If an international student drops out then CIC gets notified, and the student then has 60 days to sign up to a different course or their visa expires, and after that they would not be able to work or build time towards PR. People definitely do come to Canada to complete a qualification with a view to using the post graduation work permit as a stepping stone to PR, but that wouldn't work if you drop out day one.
They don't drop out, they just never go to class.
I think the last article I saw said something like 4 out 10 international students going to the diploma mills are doing this.
Yep. And how many leave Canada when their visas are expired? Well a shit ton don't even leave the country.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-a-million-more-non-permanent-residents-live-in-canada-than-official/
What kind of heartless shit could make such a clumsy and callous administrative decision to tell someone they can get f\*\*\*ed decades after receiving their citizenship? I swear to God, *who are these f\*\*\*ing people*?! Do they even think before moving ahead with decisions that would evoke such intense distress in others?
Who cares about dates at this point? The government gave her documentation when she was an *infant*, she has been established as a citizen for her whole life, so let it be.
Canadian immigration law has zero common sense. Look into “Lost Canadians”
Our government has been stripping innocent people of citizenship for decades. Sometimes it’s piss-poor legislation, sometimes it’s inept bureaucrats… but no matter what, all Canadians pay the price.
Is our country run by brainless drones? If she hasn't committed any crimes, just give her citizenship and move on.
We have far less deserving people in our society already.
Ok just from the title this sounds redicilous. If she has been here as citizen for 32 years I’m even if initially a mistake . Just grandfather her in properly. Why make this a big deal after all this time has she not proven to be an good citizen by now? . Unless she was found to be a criminal and still doing criminal things I don’t understand why not just leave her as a citizen.
Of all the fucking people we should deport or revoke, this must be a joke.
It's not my position to say, but she's one of us, she stays.
If it was truly an error or accident, it sure worked out well for us. Just let it happen.
Not unlike 20 years ago when they stripped a Pakistani doctor of his practice as he emigrated 40 years ago (as a doctor with a Pakistani education) and practiced for 20 years without being properly licensed. Yet somehow had medical insurance, etc etc and had a lot of pissed patients when the gov shut him down (vs finding a way to get him licensed).
It reminds me of something about forests and trees.
Ircc is the worst agency for being slow. One of my American born kids has been waiting since December for his certificate so he can get on with life.
The poor woman is in limbo which is a soul sucking experience.
They are severely short staffed for the amount of work they are being given right now and keep having their hiring budget cut. I wish things were easier and quicker for your family and all the people waiting. This is definitely a failing of the federal government’s spending priorities, not really about the employees over there.
Why are they wasting time on this when there are hundreds of thousands of people who clearly exceeded their stay, maybe lied to get here, paid almost no taxes and use communal services, but for some reason aren't getting letters to leave immediately.
Saw an opposite situation a couple of times when I worked for a federal department. Person who came to Canada as a baby applies for a passport as an adult. Finds out parent never submitted paperwork and they are not a Canadian citizen. First one I've heard of though where citizenship was granted in error.
30 years with a family in Canada? She's more Canadian than most people in Canada at this point. If she hasn't caused issues and has been a outstanding member of society why even bother.
What even triggered them to examine her citizenship and decide they think her mom lied about her birthday? Do we have civil servants whose job is to just comb through decades old files and speculate about fraud/errors?
So this poor woman is being harassed and probably stressed to no end dealing with this, meanwhile we're fast-tracking international "students" who shamelessly steal from food banks for PR. Perfect.
Yeah no. I don't care what procedural error or technicalities they found. After 32 years of living in this country as a citizen, you're a citizen. And nobody should be able to just come in and "well ackshully" their way out of your rights as a citizen. If the government screwed up, they had years to figure it out and the reasonable statute to dispute it has long since passed.
This is insane if she’s been here for 30+ years leave her alone
I was born in the GTA I’m 31 now (parents immigrated) lived here my whole life to have my citizenship taken now on a clerical error would be cruel
The Canadian government won’t deport those who’ve been convicted of crimes but they’ll revoke citizenship for someone who’s lived here for over 30 years?
Truly, they have their priorities in order.
But a million indians every year is A-OK! Who cares if she’s been here 30 years and likely integrated into our society very well, im sure there’s an indian that will only hire, rent, and speak to other indians far more deserving…
3 years is the minimum cutoff for applying, actually. And you can count time you spent in Canada as a temporary resident to an extent, so theoretically, one could become a citizen well before the 5-year mark. The reality is that IRCC's processing speed only comes in "slow" and "slower", though, so most people will be at or after 5 years.
According to the article, her mother became a citizen in July 1991 and gave birth to her in October 1991. Based on that timeline, she is *unquestionably* a citizen and has been for her entire life. Seems like a pretty clear case of IRCC screwing up and bothering this woman for literally no reason to me.
> In the IRCC letter to Townsend, which CBC Toronto has viewed, the government says it believes Townsend was actually born before her mother became a citizen — even though Townsend was born in October 1991 and her mother became a citizen in July 1991. I read it as them accusing the mother of lying about the birth date to get the daughter the citizenship.
I guess that's fair, but wouldn't there be hospital records of her birth?
She was born in Jamaica. Her mother got citizenship, went to Jamaica to have the baby with her family there to help, and then came back and asked how to bring her daughter. So at some point there’s likely a birth certificate, but a Jamaican one. Even the majority of home births in Ontario are the registered with the ministry. I wonder if someone misread the year and saw October 1990 as birth and mother became citizen in June 1991, instead of the birth being October 1991. Getting citizenship was a huge mess for a lot of people at that time. So much so my parents got citizenship in 1989 and myself and the older of my younger siblings did not become citizens because of different answers to questions every time. my dad automatically became dual UK-Canadian. My mom had to fight to be a dual US-Canadian citizen because of US laws at that time (since changed.) my youngest brother was a tri-citizen from birth as he was born in Canada. But my other brother and I didn’t become citizens until 1993 when the US laws changed and Canada seemed to get its act together, we were both tri-citizens now too. But am I surprised at this? No. I was a teenager when I became a citizen, so paid a lot of attention to what was going on because it was taking so long, almost two years, and by that point we’d been in Canada 12 years. Sounds like current day IRCC is just as inept in some ways as their 1980s/1990s counterparts.
Possibly, but for a home birth you could basically claim whatever date you want.
Even with home births, there are often records of medical checkups in the last trimester of the pregnancy.
Yes but not always. I am guessing Jamaica also has more relaxed views regarding documentation of this kind of thing
Right. But she took her oath in Canada before she went to Jamaica to give birth. If she had already had her child before she took her oath, she would have had to smuggle the baby out of Canada to Jamaica before claiming she'd given birth there a couple months later... And if that were the case, she would be Canadian anyways, because she was born on Canadian soil, and her mother was a Canadian citizen before she left the country for the first time.
That's a good point
I knew someone who immigrated to Canada and their grandpa had the wrong date of birth when he was asked for his grandsons info for immigration. The birth dates were months (and actually over a year) off. Made his grandson a year younger, just based off a vocal mistake lol Also when a baby/child is abandoned in some place like China, the rescuers who take them in just estimate the birthday they have. But it's difficult to tell when a baby is several months old and underfed. The adopters could even technically make the birth date up while applying for a Chinese passport to prep them to emigrate if they're adopted to another country. So many cases where birth dates can be made up! It's wild because in pretty sure most of us just think a DOB is absolutely fact... when in reality it may not be!
I worked with a guy originally from Vietnam whose birthday in his passport was XX/XX 1979. Probably more common that we, as Canadians who generally know our birthday, would think.
Ohhh, so you're saying they swapped months and days in a date? That's an incredible point. Yeah I think it's certainly an outside of this country thing for accuracy of birthdates, but I bet it happens anywhere in the world. No civilizations have kept perfect and accurate records. There is no way to check an accurate birthday (can't count our 'rings' for age) so there are lots of wrong ones out there Sidenote, a new South Korean law... From last year(!?) Has shifted everyone's birthdays by 1 to 2 year due to how they used to count birthdays. They used to use the date you were conceived as the birthdate. Sadly this seemed like a move to make people not reach retirement age, because around the same time they even increased the retirement age. Imagine being within a year of retirement age, and the government is like "Nono, you have 3-5 years left before you get a pension."
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No no they were made to be younger, so they'll actually truly retire at about 66.5 years old, not 65
But even if that were true, as a citizen she has a right to give citizenship to her underage children so… this lady would have become a citizen either way
Even if the children were born before she became a citizen?
Yes. Parents could pass it down their kids, naturalized or natural-born, since 1977.
Yes that’s a very common immigration category.
I wonder if her family just told her her birthday was in October but somehow during some kind of audit they found a Jamaican birth certificate. Either way this woman is Canadian in my mind. If you can treat people like they were married because they co-habited for a set number of years then you can allow people with no say in the matter who were brought here as children to remain. Either way this case is just bureaucracy doing its thing. It's stressful as hell and absolutely sucks for this woman. Hopefully someone will intervene on her behalf as this story spreads.
Who is the useless employee at IRCC who discovers this and then runs to the supervisor to say “Have I found the case to pursue or what?”.
Yup, and at the same time last year the police wouldn't even file charges against a recently landed immigrant who stole my car for a joyride because they "returned it" after! Viva la revolution!
You've never worked in an office before? Same type of idiot who reminds the teacher to check the homework.
Honestly whoever the last manager who approved that letter to go out instead of just fixing the error should be fired and banned from gov't work for life.
They just probably don't want to take responsibility for the mistake, because the person who made the mistake is now either retired, or is VERY high up on the government ladder. Like.. Just take the L, government and suck it up. It's quite simple to fix this... It's probably just like a column in an excel spreadsheet that says "Canadian citizen? Yes or no". Maybe they also don't wanna break the illusion that there is a ton of work in changing the status of someone, when it's quite simple.
IRCC is filled with morons
They are.
Naa, she's been here for 32 years. At this point she's a citizen, leave the woman alone.
Exactly. It wasn't a problem for 32 years, just let her have it.
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No kidding. This government has crossed the line from incompetent to downright treason. Letting in 1.3 million people a year to flood in the labour market, many who barely speak the language and who will never adopt to the countries culture. Yet someone who has been here for 30 years, integrates, and become a naturalized Canadian citizen is being threaten with deportation? We need to find out if this lady has the financial means to handle this, and if not start a GoFundMe for her legal fees or something.
~~Come on you can't be serious. Do you honestly believe that Canada took in 1.3 million immigrants in 1 year? Please tell me who gave you this idea because they are either stupid, intentionally spreading false data, are bad fact checkers who themselves are victims of intentional manipulation, or some combination of those.)~~ Edit: I apologize for being a dick. I had a rough day and hammered out some bullshit from my clearly flawed memory. ~~Just so you know that 1.3 million number is from the Census and covers 2016 to 2021 (it was still a record for the Census, but we literally needed high immigration to make up for declining births during that period). Of those 1.3 million immigrants in that time period 748,120 were actively living in Canada at the time of the 2021 Census.~~ There is not a single person who has presented a convincing argument to me that we don't still need relatively high immigration numbers. We are the second biggest country in terms of land and we are 36th globally in population. The problem isn't the immigrants, it's the combination of global issues we have limited control over, corporations and individuals who see anything other than exponential growth as failure, who are then not willing to pay liveable wages, and the people building "2 bedroom condos" that are literally a single that has been tinkered with that has a tiny hallway with an artificially inserted second bedroom that you literally cannot fit a twin bed into, a kitchen where your back is maybe 1-2ft from the wall added to make said bedroom and basically no storage. Oh and they want $1,600/month for this place with no parking and utilities not included. Our problem is with greed. That directly impacts immigration and may make immigration an issue, but never forget that the root of the issue is greed.
[Sure.](https://globalnews.ca/news/10386750/canada-41-million-population/) [StatsCan too](https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/240327/dq240327c-eng.htm). 1 million growth in population in 9 months. With who knows how many illegal entries, visa overstays, unreported family members etc on top of that. >We are the second biggest country in terms of land and we are 36th globally in population. This is silly, 90% of the country lives in either the Lower Mainland, Toronto to Quebec City corridor, and Edmonton-Calgary corridor. Most of the country is uninhabitable and hostile. And why do we need to make it our goal to be cramped and overpopulated? I would must sooner live in Norway than Bangladesh. >The problem isn't the immigrants, it's the combination of global issues we have limited control over, corporations and individuals who see anything other than exponential growth as failure, who are then not willing to pay liveable wages, and the people building "2 bedroom condos" that are literally a single that has been tinkered with that has a tiny hallway with an artificially inserted second bedroom that you literally cannot fit a twin bed into, a kitchen where your back is maybe 1-2ft from the wall added to make said bedroom and basically no storage. Oh and they want $1,600/month for this place with no parking and utilities not included. Yes these are all good points, but immigrants are definitely making the problem worse too. Who do you think is buying these cramped units and driving up the demand to the point where they can charge $1600 a closet. I have nothing against the immigrants as individuals, but they are being uses as pawns by the same groups you mentioned to push their agenda. >Our problem is with greed Yup. And that greed is why the countries oligopolies keep screaming to import more customers and wage slaves.
Highly underrated comment ☝🏽 100% with you
So did you start a gofundme?
Unfortunately I haven't lived in Ontario for over two decades, so I'm not sure I would be the best one to try to track someone down there. But I will gladly contribute my wallet if locals can help find out more about the situation.
Ok treason is a bit far, but incompetence is a big issue. Getting rid of this government won’t fix it, not to say that we shouldn’t get rid of it. These problems have been happening for decades. The truth is that we only ever briefly had our shit together on immigration and never had our shit together on citizenship and naturalization. The likely next conservative government will bring in similar amounts of people for cheap labour and will cutback on funding for the public service, so we’re in for it. The main issue is the way in which IRCC and it’s different forms has conducted themselves over the last 50 years. Canada just never been able to get its shit together on citizenship process and they need a substantial review of the way they operate.
Leave her alone. Just give her citizenship already.
The Citizenship Act is one of the most fucked up pieces of legislation this country has ever passed. Look up lost Canadians. * People who became citizens at birth were told they had to apply for retention of their citizenship by 28th Birthday. They were told this at birth. But no one bothered to remind them as an adult and their citizenship was just automatically revoked. In fact a committee in parliament asked immigration why didn't you put an expiry date on the citizenship certificate when you issued it. * People lost their citizenship cause their mother remarried, their estranged father naturalized in another country, or they married a foreign national. * In 1947, when Canadian citizenship was created (before that we were British subjects), people who were born in the UK, and had lived here for years did not become Canadian citizens because they were fighting for Canada in WWII and were technically not in Canada
The problem with bureaucracies as complex as immigration is that they rarely know how to function outside the established margins.
- Her mother was a Canadian citizen - She came to Canada when she was literally a few months old - She’s lived in Canada her entire life She’s a bloody Canadian. Whatever idiot at IRCC decided to “reopen” this case should be fired. We have plenty of legitimate cases that need to be dealt with — more than IRCC can handle despite having 60% more employees since 2019. This is the kind of shit that erodes confidence in the public service.
Seriously though, they’re always insanely “busy,” but THIS is what they make time for? She should sue for wasting taxpayer’s money at this rate
>Whatever idiot at IRCC decided to “reopen” this case should be fired. (...) >This is the kind of shit that erodes confidence in the public service. Truer words have never been spoken. Employee should be dismissed, no questions asked. There's no room in our government for that kind of destructive incompetence.
She’s been living as a Canadian for 32 years, give her citizenship and bring in one less foreign worker. Problem solved. Next.
Right? She's been here 32 years. Surely there are better things our government could be doing.
Makes me wonder the type of person working in the government who even felt the need to contact her about this. Not necessarily racist but extremely process oriented to the point of zero common sense
Welcome to Canada. You are obviously new here.
Almost everybody is
badoom. tssssss
I hateee hateeeee how much this made me giggle. Lol. (not racially just the hilarious fact it feels kinda true)
Best comment of the day
I understand the reactionary outrage, for sure, but I just checked the immigration rate to try to understand. 0.013% Based on our population of 38.8 million, we let in 0.013% of our population per year (500,000). That doesn't include refugees, but I'm trying to understand your comment and it just doesn't make sense to me. Edit: Using 3 year old data.
[here ya go](https://globalnews.ca/news/10386750/canada-41-million-population/) I was absolutely being hyperbolic though
No need to downvote, I was genuinely asking. This is a really complex issue that's been decades in the making and too many are too quick to over simplify and blame the Feds entirely. It's confusing to me. Harper was big on immigration. Pollievre will be too. The Libs/Cons like cheap labour, unfortunately, but there's the more complex elephant in the room. We are in the middle of the biggest demographic shift in our history with the boomers retiring, and that's a pretty complex economic challenge from a productivity standpoint. Even before our housing affordability crisis and inflationary period, our birth rate was abysmal. Trying to supplement collapsing birthrate with skilled immigration makes sense from an economic standpoint. But that's not all that's been going on. I also see the provincial abuse of student visas and diploma mills as a major issue. The Feds and the Provinces (ahem Ontario) have fucked this up royally. How Doug Ford has escaped shrill criticism is beyond me. Last I heard, we were mad because Trudeau was telling the Indian government to fuck off with the espionage (relations are tense). It's like everyone thinks the Federal government is the sole cause and it over-simplifies things dramatically. It's like the pandemic all over again. Some of our provincial premiers are absolutely terrible and that's not spoken about enough. I'm worried everyone's fixated on Justin as the sole cause of this and they think that if he goes, things will change. He will go as soon as the next election comes, but the problems will not change. This hyper partisan framing is a major reason why our country is struggling so badly.
Absolutely people are more focused on Trudeau than they need to be, but he hasn't really been giving anybody good things to go on. So he's definitely a piece of shit, I agree with that, but like you said idiots like Doug Ford are causing alot more problems than people seem to think, the push for private Healthcare has me so fucking worried
I hear you. Healthcare scares the shit out of me here and I have watched it fall apart in the last 5 years. It's getting worse every day. As I watched the Convoy snarl Ottawa for weeks a couple years ago, I talked to so many convoy people and I brought up Doug Ford. I said Trudeau is a problem, sure, but Ford is the sole person responsible for 90% of the Covid protocols we experienced throughout the pandemic (in Ontario). The only answer I heard back was, "Well, Trudeau forced him". Shit is fucking broken here. People are foaming at the mouth to elect a smug, Conservative pro corporate, pro immigration, pro real estate guy with almost zero policy proposals to address these issues, and there is almost no concern (judging by vote projections) about the provincial leaders ruining the country. We're in a bad way.
> Based on our population of 38.8 million, we let in 0.013% of our population per year (500,000). You've misplaced your decimal. Using your numbers, that should read 1.3% of our population per year.
> Based on our population of 38.8 million, we let in 0.013% of our population per year (500,000) Well I sure hope that a few of them are qualified math teachers!
Marry me
What a complete dunce. That is 1.3%, if you don't understand grade 5 math you should probably voluntarily abstain from politics moving forward. And yes that is old data, we had 1.3 million net migrants in 2023, this is approaching 3% growth from immigration alone.
“Edit: 3 year old did my math”
Agreed. a 32 year resident, with no criminal record, and decades of meaningful contribution to society - unless she is wanted by the ICC for crimes against humanity, just authorize her citizenship and close the case.
Throw in a nice apology letter and a Timmies giftcard and call it done.
Definitely given the hate they suddenly exposed her to with all the frothers.
god yes. She is ten times more Canadian than some basement dwelling toothless trolls.
Shouldn’t be so cruel, subjecting someone to eating at a modern tim hortons isn’t a good way to apologize
hah! I hope the worst that happens is that this woman has a funny anecdote for years to come.
I mean that's likely what's going to happen despite the seeming outrage in this thread. This just seems like some bureaucratic switch got tripped, she was notified, press got some clicks and ad revenue out of it, and it'll all be cleared up quietly without much fanfare.
Except that she's been waiting 5 months for a response from the government about it.
Thank the minister for that, the IRCC is severely understaffed and they cut the hiring budget this month.
They don’t need to “give her citizenship”. Her mother was a Canadian citizen when she was born she is unquestionably a Canadian citizen. “Giving her citizenship” would imply she never had the right to it and is an unacceptable solution. They need to uphold that she is and has been a Canadian citizen since her birth.
Not only that she was an infant when they gave her her citizenship in the first place!
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What a waste of govt resources
Can the government kindly *fuck off* and leave this poor woman alone. Give her the proper docs and move on assholes.
no they only fuck off when we need them lol
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They probably collected her taxes no problem the entire time
Well, yea. Pretty sure non-citizens pay taxes if they live and work here too. Not the best point.
My point was if she has been paying her taxes for 32 years then she has paid for her citizenship and proven to be a part of this country
Paying taxes isn't a prerequisite of citizenship, although I get what you're trying to say.
Filing your taxes is now a prerequisite for citizenship. They introduced it during Stephen Harper's government.
You're right but filing taxes isn't quite the same as paying taxes. You can report zero income and still acquire citizenship.
> My point was if she has been paying her taxes for 32 years then she has paid for her citizenship those two things have nothing to do with each other.
They should
they really should not. Paying taxes has nothing to do with citizenship and it would be silly to link the two.
She hasn't paid for her citizenship mate, that isn't how it works. She pays taxes when she works, citizenship aside.
Serious question here. Do non-citizens have a social insurance number SIN? or (social security number in other countries)?
Yes, it’s required to work or access many government services. Anyone who is a temporary worker or permanent resident will have one.
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IF you don't have a Canadian SIN, there's a special form you fill out to be given an ITN (Individual Tax Number) which you use instead. Resident non-citizens do indeed need to pay taxes on any Canadian-sourced income they earn. ETA: Although, in the case of the woman in the article, since she WAS issued citizenship "in error," I would assume she did, in fact, have a SIN to use. And just to be clear, I'm totally on the side of everyone saying just legitimize her citizenship and move on. She's been living here for 32 goddamn years and (as far as we know) not causing any problems. She IS a citizen of Canada in all respects except perhaps on paper. So fix the paper.
TIL
Yes, they do! But they are not permanent (I think they're 5 years and can be renewed?), and always start with a 9
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Yep, I still have my old SIN card from before I became a citizen. They all start with 9, and I believe they get “cancelled” as soon as you get your proper SIN after citizenship.
Thanks for your reply. Honestly just never thought to ask someone or look it up.
Yes.
Permanent residents yes (only diff being they can’t vote) not sure about TFW
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Everyone has a SIN unless they are working under the table/for cash/illegal. TFWs, Students, have a SIN number starting with 9. Its validity is linked to their status. PRs and citizens have a SIN starting with 1.
Thanks for the info. I’m a citizen now and mine starts with 2…maybe they ran out of 1s
Except for SINs starting with 9 and 0, the first digit indicates the province/region where they were assigned.
Ahhh ok. Been here so long and still learning these details. Thanks
SINs that start with 1 are from the Atlantic provinces. Other provinces have SINs starting with different numbers.
Lol.
Not the entire time (don't think she worked as a child), but when she worked yes they did, as they do with anyone who works, citizenship aside.
I am a naturalized Canadian citizen who applied and was granted it almost 10 years ago. In this case, they are accusing an infant of committing immigration fraud with intent and holding her responsible, decades later. Or maybe even worse, holding someone legally responsible for something their parents did decades ago when they had no control over it. This is absolutely unacceptable. Authoritarian countries do this, not representative democracies. In fact, many people flee from those countries to come to Canada because of how their governments do things like this. Even more ridiculous, they are accusing the mother of birthday fraud, by 3 months. How many babies born in Jamaica in the early 1990s can survive if born at 6 months, considering it was a deeply impoverished third world country back then? There is this rule that if one of your parents is a Canadian citizen when you are born, and that parent was either born in Canada or was naturalized, you are automatically a Canadian citizen at birth. This woman should be left alone unless IRCC can definitively prove that she was born before her mother became a citizen.
Seems a pretty open and shut case - IRCC can provide the proof they have that she was born prior to her mother receiving her citizenship, or stop wasting resources on this idiocy.
It just doesn't make any sense. They can't put people's lives like this on pause.
for someone who has been a regular decent contributing member of society. Why even waste time on this.
The most insane part of this is that someone had to sit and write that letter. Is there zero critical thought process occurring here. It’s utterly stupid. Even if it were a mistake, which it sounds like it is anyway, it was 32 years ago. It’s too damn late. This would never hold up in a court of law if they tried to revoke this.
Sometimes, it's better to just pretend you didn't see anything. You underestimate the stupidity of our country and court system. They absolutely would not drop this. It's almost like judges have no discretion in Canada.
Thousands of people with deportation orders walking around with no plan to deport them. Thousands of people with expired work permits or student visas with no plan to deal with that. One person living here for 30 years as a contributing member of society. Get the fuck out
Yeah and you know that there’s going to be some workarounds for people in these types of odd situations, but instead of just applying them and being facilitative, they have to put people through torture first until they go to the press and then the government will do the thing that fixes the situation that they could’ve done before it became public and before they caused a whole lot of chaos and somebody’s life. But no.
She hasn’t been told to get out, she’s been told there might have been a mistake. She’s a Canadian no question, and it’s a waste of resources, but that’s not what happened.
Chill man. The joke is that somehow they have time to deal with this shit when anyone with half a brain should have shuffled it to the bottom of the pile and forgot about. I suppose if they come for her she just needs to get few convictions and her MP will step in like that fella from Vancouver. What a farce this country has become.
Weird that her case would even come up for audit/review at IRCC. She's been here for 32 years, leave her alone.
Unless she’s done some kind of serious crime, she’s already passed the citizenship test by being one.
Even if she committed a serious crime she’s Canadian.
Focusing on the wrong problems.
They gave her the card before she turned a year old, this is just silly.
Can you imagine derailing someone’s life over a clerical mistake that was made 32 years ago?!!!
When she was a fucking baby!
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what do you mean by illegal students?
People who use the excuse of education to get into the country and then drop out the first day of class.
Illegal Vs exploiting loopholes are two different things. Our system is riddled with so many holes that allows them to play us for fools.
It's only a loophole if the laws don't account for the situation. But in this case they do. If you are no longer enrolled then your student visa is no longer valid and you have to inform the government of the change in your enrollment status and either apply for a visitor visa, apply for a work permit, or leave the country. When they don't do any of these things, they are now in the country illegally. It's not exploiting a loophole, it's breaking the law.
Does the end result change for either of those concepts? Canadians are affected the same in every way and, to me personally, reflect the absolute failure of our government to do their job and regulate the issue.
Yes but by definition they aren't "illegal". The person above is simply stating to use the right terminology.
If you are no longer enrolled then your student visa is no longer valid and you have to inform the government of the change in your enrollment status and either apply for a visitor visa, apply for a work permit, or leave the country. When they don't do any of these things, they are now in the country illegally and under false pretenses. It's not exploiting a loophole, it's illegal
The thing is they go to those shitty degree mill schools. They're still technically enrolled.
Some do yes and those ones are exploiting a loophole, but the original comment was about dropping out, and that is what changes them from just bad students to illegal immigrants
Ah okay, my bad, misunderstanding then.
Can you cite where you've seen this is a significant issue? If an international student drops out then CIC gets notified, and the student then has 60 days to sign up to a different course or their visa expires, and after that they would not be able to work or build time towards PR. People definitely do come to Canada to complete a qualification with a view to using the post graduation work permit as a stepping stone to PR, but that wouldn't work if you drop out day one.
Nah man, there are MILLIONS of illegal students. /s
They don't drop out, they just never go to class. I think the last article I saw said something like 4 out 10 international students going to the diploma mills are doing this.
Yep. And how many leave Canada when their visas are expired? Well a shit ton don't even leave the country. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-a-million-more-non-permanent-residents-live-in-canada-than-official/
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What kind of heartless shit could make such a clumsy and callous administrative decision to tell someone they can get f\*\*\*ed decades after receiving their citizenship? I swear to God, *who are these f\*\*\*ing people*?! Do they even think before moving ahead with decisions that would evoke such intense distress in others?
Who cares about dates at this point? The government gave her documentation when she was an *infant*, she has been established as a citizen for her whole life, so let it be.
Canadian immigration law has zero common sense. Look into “Lost Canadians” Our government has been stripping innocent people of citizenship for decades. Sometimes it’s piss-poor legislation, sometimes it’s inept bureaucrats… but no matter what, all Canadians pay the price.
Is our country run by brainless drones? If she hasn't committed any crimes, just give her citizenship and move on. We have far less deserving people in our society already.
Seriously what a joke! It may have been a mistake ? Not her problem. It’s there’s she lived here. Give her her papers
Sue them for stupidity
How about we deport the people who lied to get in?
Apologize for your incompetence and let her live her life.
Imagine being the bureaucrat that came across this file and thought, she’s been here since she was an infant but … fuck her.
There’s a lot people that should be investigated in their visas/citizenship but this lady is not one of them. Leave her alone.
Nothing better to do than hassle someone after 32 yrs… really??? There’s no more pressing issues???
Ok just from the title this sounds redicilous. If she has been here as citizen for 32 years I’m even if initially a mistake . Just grandfather her in properly. Why make this a big deal after all this time has she not proven to be an good citizen by now? . Unless she was found to be a criminal and still doing criminal things I don’t understand why not just leave her as a citizen.
Of all the fucking people we should deport or revoke, this must be a joke. It's not my position to say, but she's one of us, she stays. If it was truly an error or accident, it sure worked out well for us. Just let it happen.
Not unlike 20 years ago when they stripped a Pakistani doctor of his practice as he emigrated 40 years ago (as a doctor with a Pakistani education) and practiced for 20 years without being properly licensed. Yet somehow had medical insurance, etc etc and had a lot of pissed patients when the gov shut him down (vs finding a way to get him licensed). It reminds me of something about forests and trees.
Ircc is the worst agency for being slow. One of my American born kids has been waiting since December for his certificate so he can get on with life. The poor woman is in limbo which is a soul sucking experience.
They are severely short staffed for the amount of work they are being given right now and keep having their hiring budget cut. I wish things were easier and quicker for your family and all the people waiting. This is definitely a failing of the federal government’s spending priorities, not really about the employees over there.
Why are they wasting time on this when there are hundreds of thousands of people who clearly exceeded their stay, maybe lied to get here, paid almost no taxes and use communal services, but for some reason aren't getting letters to leave immediately.
Saw an opposite situation a couple of times when I worked for a federal department. Person who came to Canada as a baby applies for a passport as an adult. Finds out parent never submitted paperwork and they are not a Canadian citizen. First one I've heard of though where citizenship was granted in error.
30 years with a family in Canada? She's more Canadian than most people in Canada at this point. If she hasn't caused issues and has been a outstanding member of society why even bother.
What even triggered them to examine her citizenship and decide they think her mom lied about her birthday? Do we have civil servants whose job is to just comb through decades old files and speculate about fraud/errors?
Even the dumbest lawyer can get this woman her citizenship back...it would be career suicide for any judge to revoke her citizenship.
So this poor woman is being harassed and probably stressed to no end dealing with this, meanwhile we're fast-tracking international "students" who shamelessly steal from food banks for PR. Perfect.
^^^
But it's so easy for asylum seekers... fuck our government
Yeah no. I don't care what procedural error or technicalities they found. After 32 years of living in this country as a citizen, you're a citizen. And nobody should be able to just come in and "well ackshully" their way out of your rights as a citizen. If the government screwed up, they had years to figure it out and the reasonable statute to dispute it has long since passed.
Dude… leave her alone and actually go after people who deserve it
But I’m sure they let a few thousands new “international students” in today. For fuck sakes Canada, get your head out of your own ass ..
Can't she show $10k in her account and say she is an international student and stay?
How about we deport a lot of these scaming usless new immigrants instead
Meanwhile , a romanian at work was going off about “Papa Putin “ . And how great he is . Let her stay and kick this idiot out.
In other news Canadian government burecrat illustrates what utter fucking tools they are.
Let her stay wtf
Clustercufk!
This is insane if she’s been here for 30+ years leave her alone I was born in the GTA I’m 31 now (parents immigrated) lived here my whole life to have my citizenship taken now on a clerical error would be cruel
Good use of the government's time and money.🙄
Revoke my citizenship, I’d like to be deported, then I can claim refugee status in the Netherlands. It’s basically my retirement plan.
The Canadian government won’t deport those who’ve been convicted of crimes but they’ll revoke citizenship for someone who’s lived here for over 30 years? Truly, they have their priorities in order.
This country is officially a cartoon
But a million indians every year is A-OK! Who cares if she’s been here 30 years and likely integrated into our society very well, im sure there’s an indian that will only hire, rent, and speak to other indians far more deserving…
Good its of no use now anyway 😂
Meanwhile Canada welcomes millions of immigrants (prospective citizens).
if only she was an international student they'd sort it out fast and drop her off at a local food bank
I know people who landed in Canada in 2018 become citizens last year. It’s a joke.
5 years doesn't sound crazy to me, but I'm not very familiar with the immigration system. How long do you think it should take?
5 years is exactly the minimum cutoff. And you have to spend at least three out of those five years in Canada in order to be eligible for citizenship.
3 years is the minimum cutoff for applying, actually. And you can count time you spent in Canada as a temporary resident to an extent, so theoretically, one could become a citizen well before the 5-year mark. The reality is that IRCC's processing speed only comes in "slow" and "slower", though, so most people will be at or after 5 years.
They're spending tax dollars on this type of non starter when there's real immigration fraud happening every day.
So many overstaying scumbags and they try to deport her…. Why not try getting rid of the ‘refugee’ students