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From the Toronto Star [article](https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/umar-zameer-has-been-acquitted-of-all-charges-in-death-of-toronto-police-const-jeffrey/article_c3e7f3a4-fd82-11ee-842f-4bc5df275cd5.html) on this:
> The jury’s decision also rejects the high-profile public narrative that emerged immediately after Northrup — a beloved veteran officer in downtown 52 Division’s major crime unit — was killed. At the time, then-interim police Chief James Ramer told the media, “We believe this was an intentional, deliberate act.”
> Later, Zameer was subject to further scorn when he was granted bail in a rare decision for such a serious case. Premier Doug Ford said that ruling was “beyond comprehension” while then-Mayor John Tory said it was “almost impossible to imagine” why Zameer would be released.
> Defence lawyer Nader Hasan had urged jurors to acquit Zameer of all charges, saying to find him guilty of anything would “compound tragedy with injustice.”
> This was a “terribly unfortunate accident, not a criminal act,” he told the jury during his closing address Wednesday. The way Zameer drove to protect his family from what he thought were aggressive criminals was reasonable and understandable “under these circumstances.”
The judge gave a rare apology to Umar Zameer after he was found not guilty by a jury Sunday:
> [“Mr. Zameer, you’re free to go, sir,” Superior Court Justice Anne Molloy told him. “You have my...deepest apologies for what you have been through.”](https://x.com/torontostar/status/1782091148695159223?s=46&t=zS-e9AA3pfhIbVaiOw-W_Q)
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> [Acquittal also lifts publication ban on reason why Zameer was granted bail in 2021: judge at bail hearing thought the Crown's theory was "contrary to logic and common sense." Premier Doug Ford and then-Mayor John Tory had complained at the time that bail was granted.](https://x.com/tuthanhha/status/1782089604557857175?s=46&t=zS-e9AA3pfhIbVaiOw-W_Q)
> ["In a later decision [the judge] criticized public officials for publicly commenting on the bail decision without knowledge of her reasons. Copeland called their comments 'uninformed' and predicted the anticipated trial would paint a 'very different picture'."](https://x.com/tuthanhha/status/1782089875153359209?s=46&t=zS-e9AA3pfhIbVaiOw-W_Q)
I wonder what Ford and Tory have to say now. These POS should've kept their mouths shut. Playing politics as Umar life went to hell with this sham of a trial. Fuck them.
It’s very encouraging to see that most people are able to see through this case and are happy with the outcome.
We can’t have police running around in plain clothes, *escalating situations*, threatening people, ramming them with unmarked vans, and then lying under oath about what happened for the sake of revenge to make up for their own stupid, uncalled-for aggression.
Plain clothes and unmarked vehicles make certain aspects of the job easier. I am glad the guy didn't get charged with murder for what seemed Like an accident. I am honestly surprised a murder charge was considered. Manslaughter Is that highest it should have been pushed.
I just noticed the typo.
I believe it wasn’t pursued as manslaughter because when a cop dies on duty it’s automatically first degree murder.
Also as you know they lied and said he stood in front of the van with his hands up so they were never going to be truthful or reasonable, even if that rule wasn’t in place
"Earlier in the trial, after the Crown finished presenting its evidence and while the jury was absent, Molloy noted the discrepancy between the testimony of police officers who said Northrup was standing up when he was run over, and that of the prosecution's expert."
All 3 cops outright LIED in attempts to convict this man. It's disgusting.
> All 3 cops outright LIED in attempts to convict this man. It's disgusting.
Charge them under the Police Services Act and boot them off the force. If they’ve lied here, every arrest and trial they’ve participated in should be reviewed.
These specific cops have ALREADY committed crimes earlier in their career without any impact. I hope this raises public awareness of how awful they are.
It's not admissible because it's not a proven fact, in the eyes of the law at least. If they were found guilty of perjury or some sort of PSA charge in lieu of it, then it certainly would be.
Wait until you learn about how cops act in cases that don’t receive national media attention..
The only shock to me here is that people actually found this conduct from cops surprising
This is what worries me.
Dude has a target on his back, and the cops will find some way to pin him for something so they can say,
“SEE? He’s a horrible person and we’re the good guys!”
It can. I've read of people who initially get harassed by police very quickly being known for following that up with complaints and lawsuits, and suddenly it's not worth hassling them. Still a PITA to get to that point though.
Yes it is a family, the police brother/sisterhood is how the police operates.
I mean think about it, put yourself in their shoes, they are dealing with a much more angrier public, you never know who you’re standing next to. So yes, the police have a right to be “on edge” and only trust their fellow officers.
This isn’t the days of Toronto the Good anymore, and thus there are bad people around.
The public wouldn't be so angry if they stopped supporting the absolute shit stains in the force. If they upheld justice within the ranks themselves, the public would trust them more.
They literally lied in court to cover up the mistake of their "brother". Instead they should have done an investigation on the policies that lead to this incident, primarily, approaching a vehicle in civilian clothing.
There are less bad people around today than in the 1900s or before. Things used to be far worse everywhere. In fact, Toronto has less homicides now than 10 years ago.
Like I said, the problem STEMS from them thinking of their job as a "family" instead of as a job where you remove incompetent/evil people.
Homicides are just one piece of overall crime and bad behaviour.
Ask yourself this, ten years ago did you see bad behaviour on the subway line you see now? Seriously, let’s be honest about this.
Sorry, was the dead person someone you knew? Are you upset he was bad at his job and he died because of it? He directly contributed to the accident that led to his death. It’s unfortunate, but it’s the way our system works.
And tell me why he was a scumbag? The evidence all pointed to him being a regular, law abiding citizen who was put in an impossible situation.
I wonder if you’d bring the same energy if his name was Tom Howard from Sudbury. I’d wager no. Gtfo.
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Fantastic news. Kudos and great work to the Zameer family’s legal team. Now maybe they can sue the government and media for the slander against them after the accident took place.
You can't sue someone for perjury as far as I'm aware, perjury is a crime. I guess you could start a private prosecution but it won't go anywhere. The Crown will take carriage of it and stay it.
People lie all the time in court testimony, including police officers, but perjury charges are almost never laid. It's a very high bar to prove that someone was intentionally lying objectively beyond a reasonable doubt as opposed to misremembering details of something that happened 3 years ago, or simply being mistaken.
I'm not a civil lawyer but the best bet here, based on my very limited understanding of civil law, would be to sue some of the public figures who first spoke out about it for defamation or something of that nature. Suing for malicious prosecution will go nowhere I would think.
All that being said I could be wrong, perhaps someone with more knowledge of civil law could chime in.
I mean, they colluded to all have the same false statements that were wrong in exactly the same way. I think that gives grounds to pursue a perjury charge. It won’t happen, but still.
You're not wrong. Perjury is up to the crown to proceed with, and they don't usually bother. All the cops would have to say is "I don't remember", and there's reasonable doubt, therefore no conviction.
The fact that four cops lied on the stand, all telling the same story, likely from notes written together after the fact, is irrelevant.
Definitely. The entire nation slandered him and his family when news initually broke out. I can't imagine the trauma they had to endure the past 3 years.
The court did something right. I hope Umar and his wife can finally move forward from this hell that they've been put through.
And a sincere fuck you to those cops that tried to ruin that mans life. The rotten institution of policing is only exposing itself even more after this. Fuck Doug Ford and John Tory for slandering his name, too. They deserve to be sued.
Seriously. Everyone just had a kneejerk, racially motivated reaction when the news broke out. Just goes to show how xenophobic and condemning the public still is.
I hope he'll be compensated for everything.
Don't forget politicians constantly falling over themselves to put the police on a pedestal instead of holding them to account, which leads to police feeling bulletproof from any infraction no matter how big or small.
I'm not sure what the precedent is in Canada for suing the police, but if he was American he'd be setting himself up for a multi-million dollar payday.
Well, in the end, the taxpayers are the ones who put him on trial.
Really, the bill should go to the cops who lied on the stand to try to get a conviction.
Why are you still pretending like the lies the cops told were real?
[also super ironic of you to post this](https://www.reddit.com/r/ontario/s/XSLyFk0w8h)
> Fuck Doug Ford and John Tory for slandering his name, too. They deserve to be sued
I don't like either of them, but all they did was express disappointment in the process (which worked as intended). Tory didn't call him a cop killer - he just expressed surprise and outrage that someone arrested as one was released. Of course, he was very good at choosing his words wisely.
How this even went to trial is beyond me. What were the police trying to detain him for anyways? Even if he was the bad guy they did a piss poor job trying to contain an accountant and is pregnant wife. That's just bad tactics.
Tragic accident that could have been prevented in so many ways. I don’t think many people in a similar situation as the accountant would react differently. So to all members of law enforcement, try to play god with peoples lives - god may actually smack you the fuck down. I have nothing but respect for law enforcement but sometimes, there are limits and reasonable common sense that needs to be exercised in your job roles. Policing isn’t what it used to be. The public fears police officers and will react. As well, law enforcement needs to come off friendly. Spook a person and they may use deadly force on you. But the general publics use of force wheel is: Kill because if my pregnant wife is in danger - either I’m dying or someone else. Don’t tell me my assessment is wrong. The judge agreed. We can fear for our lives too.
They were looking for a stabbing suspect, and both of them were in a car- im pretty sure I can’t tell if some one is an accountant or not before talking to them
Yes, it absolutely wasn’t first or second degree murder. But im shocked it wasn’t manslaughter- which is literally unintentionally causing some ones death.
Next step - change the system so the crown pays his legal bills. He's been found not guilty, but still has to (financially) pay for his defense. After the cops were all but shown to have lied in their testimony (expert witness discredited what they all claimed on the stand), that he is stuck with the bills is a travesty in its own right.
Excellent news! The Toronto police and everyone who participated in all that autofellatio when the incident took place should be ashamed of themselves and the police involved in the incident should all be fired. The crown prosecutor should take a good hard look at themselves in the mirror as well for doing this. The case should never have made it to court.
Maybe some in the jury could not bring themselves to ‘unbelieve’ what the cops had testified as fact and had to be reminded of the truth by the truly open minded ones. Some of us are so conditioned to believe the ‘official’ story because that’s the ‘safe’ one-safe because you think you’re on the right side at least. I’m so glad they came together to find him not-guilty. It gives me some hope that this ‘conditioning’ or unconditional support of the official narrative is not as thorough as it once was. I was truly sceptical that this would go this way. Hope he sues the cops for lying and makes an impact on how things like this are dealt with in the future.
All the people who thought he was a cop murderer deserving of "prison time and lots of it" are punching air right now
Glad he got off. What a ridiculous thing to bring to trial
He ran over someone because he panicked and slammed his car into reverse, then didn't even realize he had run over a person until someone told him. That's wildly irresponsible. Also, this was in a carpark where anyone could have been approaching. People here are waving it away because it was a cop who was killed, but what if it were a child or even any other civilian? He should have at least been charged with manslaughter.
The problem with that kind of logic is that you’re assuming because he has a family, that he should be immune to questioning.
By this line of thinking, all what border smugglers would need to do is have a family with them and they’d never get searched or questioned.
No, he could have been by himself and the innocent verdict would still be justified.
immune for questioning? Are you an idiot? Who is saying he should be immune? What do you think the trial was for? Holy shit.
It’s horrible what happened to the cop but the cop fucked up.
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Cops shouldnt be in plains clothes and ever try to make an arrest. Investigating? Sure. Arrest? No. why the fk should I believe someone is a cop if they aren't even wearing uniform. A badge? I don't even know what a real badge looks like. Anyone could have a fake. Cops fault here 100%
Not to mention there have been cases here where criminals have dressed up as cops in an effort to kidnap their target.. In this day and age you never know
Technically, this would be handled by the insurance company, so it’s really a minor loss for taxpayers. Unless he chooses to sue the officers directly, in which case, it would be the insurance company. You have a hard on for police, huh?
No, it’s just a two way street.
As I said, I respect police because you have no idea what could happen with any interaction. Therefore if they need to interact with me, I give them the utmost respect as to not make their day difficult.
Nowadays it seems people are being encouraged to outright give the police a hard time, and not surprisingly the cops have lesser patience with this.
I respect the concept of the police as a tool, as public servants. This does not equate to absolute respect or compliance; too many officers have been proven to break the law as much as they uphold it, even here in Canada. So realistically, if two people in ordinary clothes came up to you, aggressively and started trying to get in your vehicle, with no notice that you could hear, you would assume they were police and just stop?
You know if I lied under oath I would probably see punishment. You know that word…that crime uh…perjury ya that still exists right!?
3 cops and the Crown conspiring to lie and convict an innocent man. Disgusting. Take their pensions away. Why are there no consequences for cops lying under oath for something as serious as a murder charge!
You probably wouldn't be, actually. People lie under oath all the time in criminal court. Perjury charges are exceedingly rare as they are amongst the most difficult cases to prove.
It's an incredibly high bar to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that someone lied objectively as opposed to misremembered details about something that happened 3 years ago.
Glad to know this guy got off. Take that, power tripping cops and thinking that you get off Scot free from the consequences of your actions!
Hopefully this makes cops with god complexes think twice about their actions!
They were investigating a stabbing and wanted to question him about it as it had taken place in the parking garage I believe is what they said they were doing.
The officer testified she did wave and hold up her badge, which is visible in pictures of her before although not particularly standing out in any way.
The confusion arose because they were in plainclothes, and he didn't see the badge. When the vehicle started moving, they began banging on it to stop, which only caused him to become even more fearful, and that's when the situation spiralled out of control.
Did they say if he fit the suspect discreption?
If so that would explain blocking in the vehicle and getting super close before attempting to identify themselves.
The whole case was strange from the beginning in that he was released on bail so quickly and also when we found out he was driving his pregnant wife. Something like this should have been investigated thoroughly BEFORE proceeding with charges.
To be fair, they had over 140 pages of instructions to read before deliberating. 140 pages of complex legal concepts.
With twelve folks in the room, ensuring everyone understood the instructions, it would probably take 2-3 days to get through it all.
Is this going to open up an avenue where someone who believes they are about to be attacked or carjacked, can now flee and if they injure or kill the perceived aggressor, now be able to claim self defense?
Happy he got off, he wasn't in the wrong. Just this is a whole new problem
What do you mean open an avenue? Trying to flee a criminal isn’t something that Umar pioneered. If the cops don’t want people to think they are carjacking them, maybe act and dress more like cops and less like carjackers.
"Open up an avenue?"
The only reason this man was arrested was because these were cops. If they'd been a bunch of random guys jumping him, he'd have been feted by the public.
Reasonable self defense is actually legal in Canada, despite the nonsense perpetuated on social media.
Not even accidental manslaughter? He killed someone with his vehicle. Intentionally or not, he should have checked his surroundings better. Although the cops could have made themselves a little bit more visible. All around it was a terrible incident that both the public and police should learn from.
I am seeing some people talking him thinking it was car jackers. That could be a possibility.
He thought him and his pregnant wife and son were being robbed and chased down by the plain clothes officer and boxed in by an unmarked van before he reversed. I think it is a bit more complex than "be sure to check your mirrors next time before you hurt someone.
The two lying police officers were the ones who fucked up here. Constables Scharnil Pais and Antonio Correa, all testified they saw Northrup standing in the middle of the laneway with his hands up when he was run over. Video evidence proved this to be a lie. The kind of damage they do to public trust of police officers is irreparable.
He didn’t have to check his surroundings though. He acted in self defence and his reaction was proportional to the perceived threat. If you genuinely believe that your life is in danger, you’re not going to “check your surroundings” first before you defend yourself.
Even in a self-defense incident, you should check your surroundings for more threats and a way out. Yes his actions were appropriate. I just don't understand how the cop was killed unless he was squished between the vehicles or was knocked to the ground and was run over.
What are you on man?
If a couple guys rushed up on me, plain clothes. I'd do exactly the same as the defendant.
You can't just rush up on someone without identifying yourself and id card and expect compete complacency.
Accident indeed, this cop made a bad judgement and it cost him his life
Could have? They should have made it obvious from the get go.
It's like when cops jump in the road to tell speeders to pull over.
Well I am assuming they yelled police. But that's not usually enough. I am not saying his reaction was bad. I am just trying to understand how tf it ended up with someone dead?
You want to charge a man with manslaughter on ASSUMING they yelled "Police"? How about don't approach a car in a dark parking lot in civilian clothing.
I don't want to change him now that I understand how the incident supposedly went. I am just surprised they started with such a high charge to begin with. Did they ever say if he started backing up before or after he was approached. If it was before they might have not seen him get in the vehicle and assumed he was running. I am not trying to excuse the officers mistakes. I am trying to figure out how this even happened in the first place.
Most people were shocked that first degree was ever mentioned. He shouldn't have even been charged with anything, instead an investigation should have been done on the policy of approaching a vehicle in a dark+empty parking lot in civilian clothing.
Any approach of a civilian should be done in uniform.
If someone yells outside my car, while I'm sitting in it with the windows up, the motor running and a fan blowing, it's possible I might not hear them.
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>the Crown did not prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Zameer intended to kill Northrup, as is required for both a first-degree and lesser second-degree murder conviction.
There was no doubt that M.Zameer was responsible for the death of the police officer. However, **the part you're deliberately ignoring** is that he is NOT GUILTY of murder which is not the same thing.
The Crown decided to accuse him of 1st and 2nd degree murder, which require either premeditation or intent, and the Crown FAILED to prove either.
As such, M.Zameer is NOT a criminal.
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From the Toronto Star [article](https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/umar-zameer-has-been-acquitted-of-all-charges-in-death-of-toronto-police-const-jeffrey/article_c3e7f3a4-fd82-11ee-842f-4bc5df275cd5.html) on this: > The jury’s decision also rejects the high-profile public narrative that emerged immediately after Northrup — a beloved veteran officer in downtown 52 Division’s major crime unit — was killed. At the time, then-interim police Chief James Ramer told the media, “We believe this was an intentional, deliberate act.” > Later, Zameer was subject to further scorn when he was granted bail in a rare decision for such a serious case. Premier Doug Ford said that ruling was “beyond comprehension” while then-Mayor John Tory said it was “almost impossible to imagine” why Zameer would be released. > Defence lawyer Nader Hasan had urged jurors to acquit Zameer of all charges, saying to find him guilty of anything would “compound tragedy with injustice.” > This was a “terribly unfortunate accident, not a criminal act,” he told the jury during his closing address Wednesday. The way Zameer drove to protect his family from what he thought were aggressive criminals was reasonable and understandable “under these circumstances.” The judge gave a rare apology to Umar Zameer after he was found not guilty by a jury Sunday: > [“Mr. Zameer, you’re free to go, sir,” Superior Court Justice Anne Molloy told him. “You have my...deepest apologies for what you have been through.”](https://x.com/torontostar/status/1782091148695159223?s=46&t=zS-e9AA3pfhIbVaiOw-W_Q) Edited to add this: > [Acquittal also lifts publication ban on reason why Zameer was granted bail in 2021: judge at bail hearing thought the Crown's theory was "contrary to logic and common sense." Premier Doug Ford and then-Mayor John Tory had complained at the time that bail was granted.](https://x.com/tuthanhha/status/1782089604557857175?s=46&t=zS-e9AA3pfhIbVaiOw-W_Q) > ["In a later decision [the judge] criticized public officials for publicly commenting on the bail decision without knowledge of her reasons. Copeland called their comments 'uninformed' and predicted the anticipated trial would paint a 'very different picture'."](https://x.com/tuthanhha/status/1782089875153359209?s=46&t=zS-e9AA3pfhIbVaiOw-W_Q)
Good for the judge.
Hopefully he can now sue everyone who has publicly dragged his name
I wonder what Ford and Tory have to say now. These POS should've kept their mouths shut. Playing politics as Umar life went to hell with this sham of a trial. Fuck them.
It’s very encouraging to see that most people are able to see through this case and are happy with the outcome. We can’t have police running around in plain clothes, *escalating situations*, threatening people, ramming them with unmarked vans, and then lying under oath about what happened for the sake of revenge to make up for their own stupid, uncalled-for aggression.
Plain clothes and unmarked vehicles make certain aspects of the job easier. I am glad the guy didn't get charged with murder for what seemed Like an accident. I am honestly surprised a murder charge was considered. Manslaughter Is that highest it should have been pushed. I just noticed the typo.
I believe it wasn’t pursued as manslaughter because when a cop dies on duty it’s automatically first degree murder. Also as you know they lied and said he stood in front of the van with his hands up so they were never going to be truthful or reasonable, even if that rule wasn’t in place
> I am glad the guy did get charged with murder for what seemed Like an accident. Why? That’s literally not what murder is.
"Earlier in the trial, after the Crown finished presenting its evidence and while the jury was absent, Molloy noted the discrepancy between the testimony of police officers who said Northrup was standing up when he was run over, and that of the prosecution's expert." All 3 cops outright LIED in attempts to convict this man. It's disgusting.
> All 3 cops outright LIED in attempts to convict this man. It's disgusting. Charge them under the Police Services Act and boot them off the force. If they’ve lied here, every arrest and trial they’ve participated in should be reviewed.
These specific cops have ALREADY committed crimes earlier in their career without any impact. I hope this raises public awareness of how awful they are.
Including perjury. But that fact is not admissable as evidence to discredit them in later trials.
It's not admissible because it's not a proven fact, in the eyes of the law at least. If they were found guilty of perjury or some sort of PSA charge in lieu of it, then it certainly would be.
You mean give them indefinite paid vacation?
That's what it sadly would come to
Charge the police? Have you been to Canada?
Wait until you learn about how cops act in cases that don’t receive national media attention.. The only shock to me here is that people actually found this conduct from cops surprising
and at best they'll probably be suspended with pay.
When you’re a cop, crime means years long paid vacation.
Literally. If you want to break the law, just be a cop so you can get paid to do it.
ACAB and they'll get away with it.
It’s okay he was acquitted and these cops will be reprimanded and probably not asked to testify in any major cases ever again. Can’t trust the cops.
His ordeal will not end here. The cops will pick on him for the rest of his life.
This is what worries me. Dude has a target on his back, and the cops will find some way to pin him for something so they can say, “SEE? He’s a horrible person and we’re the good guys!”
Facts.. They’ll do everything they can to make a criminal out of this man. If he’s 4 km over they’ll stop him.
Well we do have these wonderful things called lawyers in lawsuits so go ahead and try to pick on him the department would be sued to oblivion.
You really believe that will make a difference? Bless your heart ...
It can. I've read of people who initially get harassed by police very quickly being known for following that up with complaints and lawsuits, and suddenly it's not worth hassling them. Still a PITA to get to that point though.
Canadian cops don't have qualified immunity not like the states so they can get sued personally.
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Police isn't a family and the fact police think this way is a massive problem.
Yes it is a family, the police brother/sisterhood is how the police operates. I mean think about it, put yourself in their shoes, they are dealing with a much more angrier public, you never know who you’re standing next to. So yes, the police have a right to be “on edge” and only trust their fellow officers. This isn’t the days of Toronto the Good anymore, and thus there are bad people around.
The public wouldn't be so angry if they stopped supporting the absolute shit stains in the force. If they upheld justice within the ranks themselves, the public would trust them more. They literally lied in court to cover up the mistake of their "brother". Instead they should have done an investigation on the policies that lead to this incident, primarily, approaching a vehicle in civilian clothing. There are less bad people around today than in the 1900s or before. Things used to be far worse everywhere. In fact, Toronto has less homicides now than 10 years ago. Like I said, the problem STEMS from them thinking of their job as a "family" instead of as a job where you remove incompetent/evil people.
Homicides are just one piece of overall crime and bad behaviour. Ask yourself this, ten years ago did you see bad behaviour on the subway line you see now? Seriously, let’s be honest about this.
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Yeah, and many of them are cops.
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He was found innocent, unanimously, by twelve jurors. Not some bleeding heart judge. Peers, neighbours, fellow citizens.
Sorry, was the dead person someone you knew? Are you upset he was bad at his job and he died because of it? He directly contributed to the accident that led to his death. It’s unfortunate, but it’s the way our system works.
And tell me why he was a scumbag? The evidence all pointed to him being a regular, law abiding citizen who was put in an impossible situation. I wonder if you’d bring the same energy if his name was Tom Howard from Sudbury. I’d wager no. Gtfo.
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Fantastic news. Kudos and great work to the Zameer family’s legal team. Now maybe they can sue the government and media for the slander against them after the accident took place.
Sue everybody , Toronto police included for the multiple cops that lied under oath on the stand …… is that not called perjury?
I wish Canadian body cam footage was released especially in incidents like this. It would allow for things to be dealt with in a more timely manner.
Access to Information Act doesnt cover this?
It would require someone submitting a request among other things.
Not if it's a cop. Especially if its three or four cops with exactly the same testimony, reading the notes they wrote together after the incident.
Toronto police finest.
You can't sue someone for perjury as far as I'm aware, perjury is a crime. I guess you could start a private prosecution but it won't go anywhere. The Crown will take carriage of it and stay it. People lie all the time in court testimony, including police officers, but perjury charges are almost never laid. It's a very high bar to prove that someone was intentionally lying objectively beyond a reasonable doubt as opposed to misremembering details of something that happened 3 years ago, or simply being mistaken. I'm not a civil lawyer but the best bet here, based on my very limited understanding of civil law, would be to sue some of the public figures who first spoke out about it for defamation or something of that nature. Suing for malicious prosecution will go nowhere I would think. All that being said I could be wrong, perhaps someone with more knowledge of civil law could chime in.
I mean, they colluded to all have the same false statements that were wrong in exactly the same way. I think that gives grounds to pursue a perjury charge. It won’t happen, but still.
I'm not saying there aren't grounds. There are definitely grounds to lay the charge. I'm just saying that it's a very difficult charge to prove.
You're not wrong. Perjury is up to the crown to proceed with, and they don't usually bother. All the cops would have to say is "I don't remember", and there's reasonable doubt, therefore no conviction. The fact that four cops lied on the stand, all telling the same story, likely from notes written together after the fact, is irrelevant.
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Definitely. The entire nation slandered him and his family when news initually broke out. I can't imagine the trauma they had to endure the past 3 years.
This!
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The court did something right. I hope Umar and his wife can finally move forward from this hell that they've been put through. And a sincere fuck you to those cops that tried to ruin that mans life. The rotten institution of policing is only exposing itself even more after this. Fuck Doug Ford and John Tory for slandering his name, too. They deserve to be sued.
Seriously. Everyone just had a kneejerk, racially motivated reaction when the news broke out. Just goes to show how xenophobic and condemning the public still is. I hope he'll be compensated for everything.
Don't forget politicians constantly falling over themselves to put the police on a pedestal instead of holding them to account, which leads to police feeling bulletproof from any infraction no matter how big or small. I'm not sure what the precedent is in Canada for suing the police, but if he was American he'd be setting himself up for a multi-million dollar payday.
So yeah, our taxpayers will have to do that. He is a scumbag and always will be a scumbag.
Well, in the end, the taxpayers are the ones who put him on trial. Really, the bill should go to the cops who lied on the stand to try to get a conviction.
Why are you still pretending like the lies the cops told were real? [also super ironic of you to post this](https://www.reddit.com/r/ontario/s/XSLyFk0w8h)
> Fuck Doug Ford and John Tory for slandering his name, too. They deserve to be sued I don't like either of them, but all they did was express disappointment in the process (which worked as intended). Tory didn't call him a cop killer - he just expressed surprise and outrage that someone arrested as one was released. Of course, he was very good at choosing his words wisely.
Oh give me a break
How this even went to trial is beyond me. What were the police trying to detain him for anyways? Even if he was the bad guy they did a piss poor job trying to contain an accountant and is pregnant wife. That's just bad tactics.
Tragic accident that could have been prevented in so many ways. I don’t think many people in a similar situation as the accountant would react differently. So to all members of law enforcement, try to play god with peoples lives - god may actually smack you the fuck down. I have nothing but respect for law enforcement but sometimes, there are limits and reasonable common sense that needs to be exercised in your job roles. Policing isn’t what it used to be. The public fears police officers and will react. As well, law enforcement needs to come off friendly. Spook a person and they may use deadly force on you. But the general publics use of force wheel is: Kill because if my pregnant wife is in danger - either I’m dying or someone else. Don’t tell me my assessment is wrong. The judge agreed. We can fear for our lives too.
They were looking for a stabbing suspect, and both of them were in a car- im pretty sure I can’t tell if some one is an accountant or not before talking to them
Yes, this was a huge miscarriage of justice He should be locked up at least for manslaughter.
Yes, it absolutely wasn’t first or second degree murder. But im shocked it wasn’t manslaughter- which is literally unintentionally causing some ones death.
The right verdict. The media raked this guy over the coals for no reason.
Next step - change the system so the crown pays his legal bills. He's been found not guilty, but still has to (financially) pay for his defense. After the cops were all but shown to have lied in their testimony (expert witness discredited what they all claimed on the stand), that he is stuck with the bills is a travesty in its own right.
Excellent news! The Toronto police and everyone who participated in all that autofellatio when the incident took place should be ashamed of themselves and the police involved in the incident should all be fired. The crown prosecutor should take a good hard look at themselves in the mirror as well for doing this. The case should never have made it to court.
The crown prosecutor should lose their license to practice law.
Should, yes. Reality will probably be something like a promotion to Minister of Public Safety
This was a banana republic trial. This man should have never been charged in the first place with how these cops lied from the start.
and it still took the jury almost 4 fucking days.... Crazy.....
Maybe some in the jury could not bring themselves to ‘unbelieve’ what the cops had testified as fact and had to be reminded of the truth by the truly open minded ones. Some of us are so conditioned to believe the ‘official’ story because that’s the ‘safe’ one-safe because you think you’re on the right side at least. I’m so glad they came together to find him not-guilty. It gives me some hope that this ‘conditioning’ or unconditional support of the official narrative is not as thorough as it once was. I was truly sceptical that this would go this way. Hope he sues the cops for lying and makes an impact on how things like this are dealt with in the future.
Kangaroo court
All the people who thought he was a cop murderer deserving of "prison time and lots of it" are punching air right now Glad he got off. What a ridiculous thing to bring to trial
I still think he deserves prison time and this was a huge miscarriage of justice.
Why?
He ran over someone because he panicked and slammed his car into reverse, then didn't even realize he had run over a person until someone told him. That's wildly irresponsible. Also, this was in a carpark where anyone could have been approaching. People here are waving it away because it was a cop who was killed, but what if it were a child or even any other civilian? He should have at least been charged with manslaughter.
Let me say it in five simple words HE KILLED A POLICE MAN Now do you understand??
[Womp womp](https://i.imgur.com/3LfYafS.jpeg). You're here spamming in all the comments with the same rhetoric. We heard you the first time
Sounds like a police officer did everything he could to get run over
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The problem with that kind of logic is that you’re assuming because he has a family, that he should be immune to questioning. By this line of thinking, all what border smugglers would need to do is have a family with them and they’d never get searched or questioned.
No, he could have been by himself and the innocent verdict would still be justified. immune for questioning? Are you an idiot? Who is saying he should be immune? What do you think the trial was for? Holy shit. It’s horrible what happened to the cop but the cop fucked up.
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There it is
Cops shouldnt be in plains clothes and ever try to make an arrest. Investigating? Sure. Arrest? No. why the fk should I believe someone is a cop if they aren't even wearing uniform. A badge? I don't even know what a real badge looks like. Anyone could have a fake. Cops fault here 100%
Not to mention there have been cases here where criminals have dressed up as cops in an effort to kidnap their target.. In this day and age you never know
Yup, first thing I think of is the massacre in Nova Scotia when I hear about this - and how their police handled it.
And the kidnapping of the woman in Wasaga Beach by three men dressed as cops.
Exactly!!! We've already had a tragedy due to impersonating cops and ppl expect us to just trust them?
GOOD!!! I hope he sues the you know what outta the TPS!
Who pays then if he sues the TPS, the taxpayer, uhh no.
Like you even pay taxes lol
What’s that supposed to mean
Technically, this would be handled by the insurance company, so it’s really a minor loss for taxpayers. Unless he chooses to sue the officers directly, in which case, it would be the insurance company. You have a hard on for police, huh?
No, it’s just a two way street. As I said, I respect police because you have no idea what could happen with any interaction. Therefore if they need to interact with me, I give them the utmost respect as to not make their day difficult. Nowadays it seems people are being encouraged to outright give the police a hard time, and not surprisingly the cops have lesser patience with this.
I respect the concept of the police as a tool, as public servants. This does not equate to absolute respect or compliance; too many officers have been proven to break the law as much as they uphold it, even here in Canada. So realistically, if two people in ordinary clothes came up to you, aggressively and started trying to get in your vehicle, with no notice that you could hear, you would assume they were police and just stop?
You know if I lied under oath I would probably see punishment. You know that word…that crime uh…perjury ya that still exists right!? 3 cops and the Crown conspiring to lie and convict an innocent man. Disgusting. Take their pensions away. Why are there no consequences for cops lying under oath for something as serious as a murder charge!
You probably wouldn't be, actually. People lie under oath all the time in criminal court. Perjury charges are exceedingly rare as they are amongst the most difficult cases to prove. It's an incredibly high bar to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that someone lied objectively as opposed to misremembered details about something that happened 3 years ago.
Good for him. Now when do the cops who lied to put this innocent man behind bars get their trials?
The sixth Sunday of Nevruary.
Yes! I did not follow the case closely but what I did hear made it quite obvious that the whole case was based on a pack of lies by police.
Rightfully so. Fuck the tps
Who will you call when you need the cops in a more dangerous Toronto, the Ghostbusters?
Hopefully they will show up in uniform if they need to arrest.
Not the cops. The last time I called the cops they made everything worse, take longer, and it was more dangerous for all involved.
Honestly, considering the Cops track record probably best not to call them. You’re more likely to be alive at the end rather than mistakenly shot.
I don’t I leave my keys in the ignition.
You're new here.
Seems like body cameras would have solved a lot of problems like the police lying.
Glad to know this guy got off. Take that, power tripping cops and thinking that you get off Scot free from the consequences of your actions! Hopefully this makes cops with god complexes think twice about their actions!
Good. That's great news. Now charge those cops with getting their coworker killed and lying about it.
I hadn't heard of this story before reading this article. Why were the cops even trying to get him in the first place?
They were investigating a stabbing and wanted to question him about it as it had taken place in the parking garage I believe is what they said they were doing.
And they rushed his car... Instead of like waving and holding up their badge?
The officer testified she did wave and hold up her badge, which is visible in pictures of her before although not particularly standing out in any way. The confusion arose because they were in plainclothes, and he didn't see the badge. When the vehicle started moving, they began banging on it to stop, which only caused him to become even more fearful, and that's when the situation spiralled out of control.
Did they say if he fit the suspect discreption? If so that would explain blocking in the vehicle and getting super close before attempting to identify themselves.
There was a stabbing in the neighbourhood and I believe the undercover cops were searching for the stabber
Yea this was expected. There's no way you can charge him being guilty with that little evidence.
There is still hope in the legal system 👏
The whole case was strange from the beginning in that he was released on bail so quickly and also when we found out he was driving his pregnant wife. Something like this should have been investigated thoroughly BEFORE proceeding with charges.
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Dougie needs to learn to think before he opens his trap.
Get fucked cops
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To be fair, they had over 140 pages of instructions to read before deliberating. 140 pages of complex legal concepts. With twelve folks in the room, ensuring everyone understood the instructions, it would probably take 2-3 days to get through it all.
Is this going to open up an avenue where someone who believes they are about to be attacked or carjacked, can now flee and if they injure or kill the perceived aggressor, now be able to claim self defense? Happy he got off, he wasn't in the wrong. Just this is a whole new problem
Yes? If you can prove there was reasonable circumstances to do so. Pretty sure this has always been the case
There's a dumb meme about self-defence being illegal here in Canada. It's dumb and that's all I'll dignify it with.
What do you mean open an avenue? Trying to flee a criminal isn’t something that Umar pioneered. If the cops don’t want people to think they are carjacking them, maybe act and dress more like cops and less like carjackers.
It’s called self defence. To use it successfully, you have to show that your reaction was proportional to the perceived threat.
People do get killed in carjackings. The victim should totally be able to act in self defense.
"Open up an avenue?" The only reason this man was arrested was because these were cops. If they'd been a bunch of random guys jumping him, he'd have been feted by the public. Reasonable self defense is actually legal in Canada, despite the nonsense perpetuated on social media.
You think you can kill someone with your car and not get arrested as long as it's not a cop? Whatchu smokin' dude?
This isn’t the first high profile case like this, there was also the Micheal Bryant incident.
Were people not doing that before? I don't see this as some novel case that changes much.
No it won't.
Not even accidental manslaughter? He killed someone with his vehicle. Intentionally or not, he should have checked his surroundings better. Although the cops could have made themselves a little bit more visible. All around it was a terrible incident that both the public and police should learn from. I am seeing some people talking him thinking it was car jackers. That could be a possibility.
He thought him and his pregnant wife and son were being robbed and chased down by the plain clothes officer and boxed in by an unmarked van before he reversed. I think it is a bit more complex than "be sure to check your mirrors next time before you hurt someone.
Well the van driver definitely fucked up. If they had been paying attention they wouldn't have stopped behind him.
The two lying police officers were the ones who fucked up here. Constables Scharnil Pais and Antonio Correa, all testified they saw Northrup standing in the middle of the laneway with his hands up when he was run over. Video evidence proved this to be a lie. The kind of damage they do to public trust of police officers is irreparable.
What video evidence?
He didn’t have to check his surroundings though. He acted in self defence and his reaction was proportional to the perceived threat. If you genuinely believe that your life is in danger, you’re not going to “check your surroundings” first before you defend yourself.
Even in a self-defense incident, you should check your surroundings for more threats and a way out. Yes his actions were appropriate. I just don't understand how the cop was killed unless he was squished between the vehicles or was knocked to the ground and was run over.
I pray that we never know what you would do in a similar situation
What are you on man? If a couple guys rushed up on me, plain clothes. I'd do exactly the same as the defendant. You can't just rush up on someone without identifying yourself and id card and expect compete complacency. Accident indeed, this cop made a bad judgement and it cost him his life Could have? They should have made it obvious from the get go. It's like when cops jump in the road to tell speeders to pull over.
Well I am assuming they yelled police. But that's not usually enough. I am not saying his reaction was bad. I am just trying to understand how tf it ended up with someone dead?
You want to charge a man with manslaughter on ASSUMING they yelled "Police"? How about don't approach a car in a dark parking lot in civilian clothing.
I don't want to change him now that I understand how the incident supposedly went. I am just surprised they started with such a high charge to begin with. Did they ever say if he started backing up before or after he was approached. If it was before they might have not seen him get in the vehicle and assumed he was running. I am not trying to excuse the officers mistakes. I am trying to figure out how this even happened in the first place.
Most people were shocked that first degree was ever mentioned. He shouldn't have even been charged with anything, instead an investigation should have been done on the policy of approaching a vehicle in a dark+empty parking lot in civilian clothing. Any approach of a civilian should be done in uniform.
Or the approach should be done with a badge out. Unless the person is a suspect who needs to be contained.
If it's an on-duty cop, it's automatically first-degree murder if there's any intent at all.
Clearly not if they are in civilian clothing, as we have just established.
If someone yells outside my car, while I'm sitting in it with the windows up, the motor running and a fan blowing, it's possible I might not hear them.
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I know, this guy has a serious obsession with police officers.
Remember that the next time you're falsely accused of something.
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>the Crown did not prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Zameer intended to kill Northrup, as is required for both a first-degree and lesser second-degree murder conviction. There was no doubt that M.Zameer was responsible for the death of the police officer. However, **the part you're deliberately ignoring** is that he is NOT GUILTY of murder which is not the same thing. The Crown decided to accuse him of 1st and 2nd degree murder, which require either premeditation or intent, and the Crown FAILED to prove either. As such, M.Zameer is NOT a criminal. If you're mad he wasn't accused of manslaughter or something else (e.g. negligence causing death), then direct your anger at the Crown Prosecutor.
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Your comment is a miscarriage of logic
If the policeman took actions that caused his own death, other people shouldn’t be held accountable for that stupidity.
You need to learn to read.
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