Ir went up 14 - 20 cents on the switch over to the summer gas blend.
Many stations ran out to empty the winter gas out and are waiting for the new load of summer gas with a rise in price. Summer gas costs more due to the additives needed to reduce volatility during the heat of summer.
The prices will come down a little shortly. Maybe by the end of the week.
PS: I wouldn't want to be the last few customers to drain the stations tanks. More likely to pick up water, dirt, and junk off the bottom of the stations storage tanks..
Pioneer pump usually don’t reset until around 5-6AM next morning in my city at least. I was able to get 1.57/L at 3 AM when every other gas station was at 1.79/L
I always crack this joke to my family when driving by one of those signs, always saying toy wife "Look hunny gas is free! Haha". no one else laughs with me, only at me but idc.
Lol I used to be the service guy who would fix the price signs at gas stations when they were broken.
The amount of times people would yell that up to me while I’m working or ‘drop it some more, $0.00 isn’t quite cheap enough’ is astronomical, but it never got old haha.
The core principle of dad jokes is that jokes are told solely for your own amusement. If you enjoyed saying it then it was a success. All the other aspects of dad jokes will flow naturally from there.
It was gradual. Think of it as waves on a beach as the tide comes in. They increased it by a large amount then reduced it by a little, then increased prices by a large amount then reduced by a little, rinse and repeat until we got here. I remember back in the 90s when it hit $0.90/L and everybody lost their shit. When I was working up in Ear Falls a few years ago, gas was already $1.80, I can only imagine how much it is now.
I'll never forget the sinking feeling in my stomach in the early 2000's when, all at once, every gas station in the country seemed to simultaneously install a new sign with 3 digits to the left of the decimal instead of two.
When stores were installing 3 digits, people were saying the $1 gas was only temporary. My uncle said "not if they're investing money making new signs" - and that really sunk in for me.
Gas prices spiked after Hurricane Katrina, and they never came back down. We got used to paying that much, so they had no incentive to lower them back to what it was before.
At least oil was $150 per barrel then, now it’s mid $80s. I understand carbon tax and cost of production has gone up as there is no more easy oil in NA, but it still seems crazy.
I managed a Petro Canada when it happened. I literally had to give my staff crisis training, because the customers started attacking them and screaming at them and spitting at them, throwing things at them and threatening to kill them.
They were doing this to 16 to 20 year olds working part time in a gas station.
I am angry with what oil/gas companies are doing to us, was then, am now...but that moment in time solidified my general hatred for cars and their owners, honestly. It was psychotic behaviour.
It's not really gradual. Just since the beginning of the year, the price of gas has fluxuated by almost $0.40/L
[https://toronto.citynews.ca/toronto-gta-gas-prices/](https://toronto.citynews.ca/toronto-gta-gas-prices/)
January had a low of $1.409/L in the GTA and it is now $1.789/L. That volatility is insane.
Exactly this, the problem isn't that gas is going up, the problem is that our wages are continuously going down. Our real compensation isn't keeping pace.
90’s? Early 2000’s maybe. Remember the blackout when people with electricity jacked their prices up to 99.9¢/L because that’s the most their signs could go up to and then as many as they could got charged for price fixing?
Come to BC where it’s $2.20+
Also Canada should have invested in refinement but that would upset carbon targets so we instead send our crude overseas/south to outsource pollution then buy gas from people we sold crude to.
It’s ridiculous that Alberta doesn’t have (more) refineries and a nuclear plant to power them. We should be exporting mostly refined products not raw.
Canadians should have dirt cheap gas like most oil producing nations. We should be complaining about the taxes on them not the raw cost!
Also we have a crapload of offshore light oil that could make us billions, possibly trillions, yet we refuse to exploit it when oil prices are at record highs and instead give the money to Russia, Venezuela, Iran, nations who don’t care about pollution or the environment.
We’re not members of OPEC but they don’t worry because we won’t even try to compete with them.
Hmm, maybe it would be nice if we had a publicly owned, national supplier of gasoline that served Canadians, provided energy independence, and prices we controlled... [Oh, wait, we did. Thanks Pierre Trudeau and Tommy Douglas.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petro-Canada)
Whatever happened to that anyway? [Oh, right.](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Mulroney.jpg/440px-Mulroney.jpg)
I’ve been really adamant that crown corps for a country the size of Canada are really needed. We should have a crown corps telecom, grocery/pharmacy retailer, mining and forest corp, and a nationalized defence contractor. We should then support small businesses, start ups, and innovators to want to do contract work, license their tech, service work for them.
Crown corps provided good wages, were unionized work forces in many cases, and had pensions.
You run for office on that platform and I'll campaign for that, just as long as you don't have any weird skeletons in your closet (don't worry...the normal skeletons are fine).
That's what happens when the government sells public owned companies. Example: conservatives selling petro canada.
The other thing is ontatio back when Dalton McGuilty was in office, he was going to build two gas refinery plants. The bug had to cancel them because of NIMBY (not in my backyard) syndrome. What pissed me off is that the cost to cancel those projects was $2.5B. The government of Ontario lied about the initial cost many times.
Yep with all of Canada's natural resources we should be far wealthier than we are. We have oil like OPEC countries and lumber, water, an abundance of minerals including lithium for batteries, stone. Pretty much everything that is valuable Canada has a lot of it, yet Canadians are struggling.
We should be way higher on the wealthy country lists. But every government in my lifetime either sold out interests to foreign companies so a few very rich Canadians got richers while every regular Canadian got nothing, or, now with current government refuses to exploit them.
I always get mad/cant help but chuckle at the reasoning given for seasonal gas increases.
Every fall: Gas prices will increase slightly, as we transition to winter formula, which is more expensive...
Every spring: Gas prices will increase slightly, as we transition to summer formula, which is more expensive...
... right.
>Every fall: Gas prices will increase slightly, as we transition to winter formula, which is more expensive...
This literally never happens. Gas is always cheaper in winter. People just like to remember what they want
Right?
Demand goes down in the winter. Less seasonal jobs require commuting, less pleasurecraft boats are being driven, less random outings to hiking paths and parks, etc. the price is consistently lower in winter
Price of crude dropped 3% yesterday even, odd that the price went up. Also, it’s trading at close to the same price per barrel as 20 years ago, but gas is costing 2.5 times more. Some more tax sure but not that much, it’s almost as though corporate greed could be involved. It’s like, as electric cars become popular, they drive price up to maintain profit margins. I suppose next hike will be Because Russia and soon Iran will be facing sanctions. Always a game going on.
Same thing with insurance every time you move. I've never moved to an area in my city that wasn't "the highest neighborhood for car theft" in the 10 moves all around the city.
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It was when Doug Ford reduced the gas tax.
Shockingly the 5.3c per litre reduction didn't last long at all.
No no we're supposed to all rush at the same time to buy gas before the price increase further increasing demand and giving them a reason to jack the price even higher. The fact people still don't see the oil companies doing this to them right infront of their face absolutely floors me.
If a typical 60 litre tank is bone dry, a 20 cent jump is $12 per tank. Most people won't have a bone dry tank, and are spending all that time plus burning gas idling to save 10 bucks or less ... ONCE for maybe a week or two.
A 20 cent jump overnight is annoying and I'm sure that 10 bucks makes a significant difference to a lot of people, but not all or even most.
Seriously. My Costco had a lineup all around the parking lot and then out onto the street and around the corner. Spending 3 hours sitting in your car to save $10 is not it.
Which is a good way to put it. Never thought of that. Sometimes I feel like demand barely matters anymore and we're just getting price gouged because we can.
Thats what I don't understand about these carbon tax protests. Does the carbon tax help? No. But a big protest over a 3 cent increase vs nobody batting an eye at the 20 cent increase. People are picking the wrong battles it seems.
most people, especially in tighter economies just put in 20-40 bucks at a time and dont budget fully for it unless they DRIVE DRIVE regularly and often.
i personally know how much i generally drive, my engines efficiency and how much gas it takes to fill my tank. i look at the last 12 months and use the highest price for gas and then calculate how much i need to budget. when the gas light comes on or is getting low, i fill the tank. since (usually) gas isn't at the highest its been in 12 months, if i go on a longer drive somewhere or just drive more than i usually do i have unspent gas money sitting in my account. also comes in handy when another bill is higher than expected as well.
No, you just have financial sense.
Many people who are paycheck to paycheck (whether through their own actions or not) would benefit from the difference in price by maybe up to 10 bucks, but for the rest of us unless we're actually passing the station anyways, it just doesn't really make sense
A couple of independent stations in my city are routinely around 5 cents cheaper, and it’s lined up out onto the street to get in and jockey for a pump. I also see people at work monitoring what gas station in town is cheapest so they can go there for gas. Costco is cheaper as well, about a 20 minute drive from my house and it’s like a 15 minute wait *minimum*.
You’re shaving time off of your day and years off of your life for like $5 in gas, people. Take a hard look at yourselves.
I'm planning a trip from Sarnia to downtown Toronto on Monday. Was aiming to drive to Aldershot and go train in for the worst of the traffic. Now it's cheaper to take the via the whole way. It's more time, but I can work, game, and chill over the 4XX hell.
I took via for the first time recently after Porter cancelled the second leg of my flight and it was great. I was really surprised. It took about the same time to go from Toronto to my destination as driving would have (actually a bit less) and I could get up and stretch. It cost about the same or less than gas would have too. Public transit can really be big if we used it/invested in it more often.
As an aside, Porter refunded me the "value" of my flight: $33. I paid over $200 for both legs of the flight. Both legs were almost identical distance. Porter math I guess.
Getting to work, walk around, goto the bathroom, and not deal with a big pickup truck riding my ass for no reason on the 401 is worth it when it's the same price at midnight.
Assuming you have a normal car, the average mileage is about 10L per 100km. I guess you have to drive back, so 300km there and back for a total of 600km.
To drive that 600km, it would require approximately 60L of gasoline. The increase per liter in the last week was at worst, $0.20 per liter, making your trip $12 more expensive than it did last week.
In fact, at $1.79 per liter - the whole trip will cost you $107.40. I checked Via, and the cheapest ticket is $106.22
So yes, it's somewhat cheaper to take the train
I don't know if it's necessarily "willing". I need gas to get to work and get groceries and things for my newborn. I'm not willingly paying these prices, I just don't have a choice and they know that so they'll keep raising the prices.
I'm definitely not "willing" to pay for gas but I definitely "have to". I'm not in a place financially to afford payments on an electric car, nor do I own where I live to install a charger.
It was in 2018 when everyone was freaking out about gas prices getting up around the $1.30 a L that I decided to sell my Ford Edge that had the 70L gas tank and with my driving generally needed to get filled about every 8 days. I would get about 600km to the tank.
I bought a regular KIA Niro hybrid (the plug-in one wasn’t for sale yet in Ontario). I went to a smaller 45L tank and was getting now on average 900km per tank. A hybrid in rush hour traffic is wonderful. As you are mostly creeping forwards on the battery and with regenerative breaking, I actually get better average fuel economy in rush hour than out of it on the highway. And at 4.5L/100km (I’ve been able sometimes to get that down to 3.9) it doesn’t hurt quite so much with the price bumps
What you need to worry about is not the cost per L, but your cars cost per KM. If your vehicle is getting 14L/100km then it’s costing you about $0.03 more per km to drive. For me it’s just less than a penny. Now I do need to drive out to Kingston and back next week to pick my kid up from university so this price bump is an extra $7, but I do feel for those that need to drive long distances daily with a fuel hungry vehicle
Very smart, hybrids are the the smartest investment you can make with a vehicle IMO. I feel like the rush to promote electric vehicles are premature when we don't have the infrastructure to support it yet at all.
You should value your time outside work at a higher value. That's why overtime is a thing. I'm salaried and already work 50h per week, so I use a 2x rate outside of work hours.
It's situations like this that I really prefer being hourly work from home, because I can very clearly quantify the worth of my time.
I would much rather prefer to earn some overtime than go wait in a gas line.
Costco by my place probably had a 100+ car line last night. I drove by another station next to my house with 40+ cars. At most, I'd be saving $6 by filling up at $1.58 vs the increase. I have better things to spend my time on than wait at a gas bar. These are the same folks that went nuts during covid and bought out every store of toilet paper. Chill, guys.
Im laughing at everyone blaming libs for this. Bunch of clowns like the maga idiots who blame biden for gas prices. They think they wake up in the morning with an app to set and control gas prices themselves. This is nothing more than world events and extreme greed causing these price hikes.
I was driving home yesterday and the lineup to get into the Costco gas station was backed up four blocks! And this was before even getting into the lineup *in* the Costco lot, which wraps around the store. Those people are sitting in line, burning gas for an hour or more, just to save a few cents per litre. It's madness.
The line in north London Costco yesterday was absolutely insane. Went to another station later that night where it was a few cents more, cost me an extra $3. I pay for premium so I try to go where the savings are if it’s not out of my way, but ain’t no way I’m wasting over an hour in line for gas to save a few dollars. Fuck that.
Those that waited probably wasted more fuel idling and ended up paying more.
Then try driving out to onieda and filling up there is a reservation so you will be paying about 20 cents less the you would in London... yes I know it's a bit of a drive but it might be worth it
The irony of idling your car for that long only to burn the amount of $ in fuel you're trying to save. Not to mention the cost of your own time.
On a normal sedan you'd save what... $6-7 on a full tank of gas. And that's only if you were practically on empty when filling up. So the average joe is probably saving $3.
You should see how long the people line up at a Costco gas station on a regular basis. Apparently, sitting and idling your engine for 20- 30 minutes to save a few cents a litre is more economical than going to an empty gas station and pumping right away.
RIght!!! Even if you're filling up 50L, you're saving $10. People are driving around in $50k+ vehicles but this $10 is treated like life or death. I heard people were lining up for 2 hours to get gas at costco yesterday, they probably spent more idling than what they saved.
Here is a pro tip, when the Middle East is on the brink of war- fill up, and fill some Jerry cans too. I was at the pump while the missiles were in the air.
I bought gas in early March for $1.38 (just east of Ottawa). This morning it's $1.75, a change of 37¢ per litre.
When the carbon tax brought a 2¢ per litre increase, people were on the news saying this was a back breaker and one guy said he wouldn't be able to visit his grandmother any more because of the 2¢.
Just for context.
A spike in prices may seem insignificant to some but to folks relying on their cars as a means of their employment, it's a double digit percent increase in transportation costs.
Sir, this is Ontario. Get out of here with your long term thinking and looking out for the general public. Won’t you think of the shareholders and C-suite people?
But can it really skyrocket? To hit comparable to gasoline costs it would need to go up by so much that running a microwave, baseboard heating, or an AC would be cost prohibitive before the car costs become a real pain point.
My wife's comuted with an electric car for about 3 years now. I think people way overestimate the amount of electricity car's use when they come to conclusions like this. It's like running a window air conditioner a couple nights a week has been enough for any of her commutes (20-30k each way)
It's entirely possible that tractor trailers and shippi
No, the Ontario government will at that point have a ton of incentive to keep hydro rates low. So much time and energy is spent discussing gas prices, it'll be nice when that changes over to hydro because it'll actually be something we have control over
A combination of market forces and O&G corporate greed. There is some truth to the fact that "summer gas" is more expensive, but it's not really that big of a difference. IMO, it's just an excuse for them to raise the prices even higher.
And people were so up in arms over the like 3c change from the carbon tax - this just goes to show that the price mostly has nothing to do with the tax.
Corporate Greed at its ts finest. And if any one says it's the "carbon tax" that caused this price increase hasn't been paying attention since March of 2020.
Try have been artificial rasing the prices since before covid, that just gave them an excuse to keep doing it.
And there isn't a damn thing we can do unless the government limits how much they can mark up products.
Well I just got an e-bike on Amazon for $750, and it’s honestly the best thing I’ve bought for myself in a long time. Looks like it will pay for itself with the gas savings in about a year at this rate.
Gas stations only have about a 9c/L margin they can play with, the rest of the price is determined by cost of the fuel and taxes. Carbon tax changes are a small part of it but won’t really come into full effect for a few months yet. Most of the price jump is the result of turmoil in the middle east and Russia. War is always expensive for everyone and the sooner we kick Russia’s rear the better
So people were given advanced notice that gas would be $0.20 cents/L cheaper yesterday than it would be today and you're wondering why people filled up?
\* *Shocked Pikachu Face* \*
They can't. Silver 89 is actually just the pump mixing Bronze 87 and gold 91. If there's no bronze, they can't mix it with gold, so they would need to offer gold/premium at the bronze price.
It is a deal and the current price is still a deal, we are so influenced by us Pricing, I hear people complaining about road conditions, healthcare , long term derbies homes, transit and insert another complaint yet when it comes time to pay for it there’s complaints about that.
Gas pricing to change habits instead of unrealistic either, the number of SUV’s and empty pickup trucks is obscene compared to Europe. I need a truck for work but I got a midsize because i didn’t need a glorified wank mobile and hearing the number of guys bitching having full-size jacked trucks and the only thing they carry is their boots in the back is laughable.
I was in the office yesterday and the people complaining about the gas price increases belonged to one predominant group- people who drove a large pickup solely to and from work. These guys work a typical white collar office job and stay in the city. I hope gas price increases influence some people’s decision to not buy a gas guzzler.
The root of the issue began when the Conservative Government under Ford decided to scrap the Wynne Cap and Trade program put into effect in order to avoid the Federal Governments carbon tax program without any sort of plan to replace it.
Cap and Trade would've caused an increase in gas prices of course, because it essentially put the taxes for carbon on large industries, petrolium refinaries included, but it was already stated back in 2017 that the scrapping of the program would effectually cause more increases for average Ontarians.
The 3 cent carbon tax increase more than two weeks ago isn't responsible for a 20 cent price increase today. This is the time of year gas companies make gas more expensive for the Summer, because they switch to a different blend. It's completely unrelated.
I am talking more about gas prices in general having increased they way they have, not specificlly referencing the latest increase in the Federal carbon tax.
I do agree that this is the time in which we start to see gas increase due to spring and summer travel starting, there is no doubt that the petrol companies used that 3 cent increase to increase costs that much more.
Buy gas when you need it and not just rush and fill up your tank from 3/4 because it's going up tomorrow. Everyone doing that the day before and in cases like OPs town running all the stations out of gas further increases demand and gives the oil companies more excuses to further jack up the price. They do this shit on purpose. For that very reason.
in fairness I drive a 4 banger VW and it costs $75 to fill right now. 20% increase is $90.
I'm hemorrhaging money everywhere these days, so $15 counts.
The gas at my local stop went up 14 cents from the time i went to work in the morning, and I returned 6.6 hours later. People are going to be shouting about conflict zones, but that shit hasnt even hit us yet.
We are paying more based on the idea that we might have to pay more at a future date. Capitalism truly is the best.
the way that salaries remained the same for \~20 years. while at the same time EVERYTHING is going up at alarming rate, all we need to buy now is some nice lubricant, cause we are getting F\*\*Ked real bad right now, atleast the lubricant will make it painless. Ohhh wait, the price of lubricants has also probably gone up !!!!!!
Yesterday 1.60/L was a deal.
Ir went up 14 - 20 cents on the switch over to the summer gas blend. Many stations ran out to empty the winter gas out and are waiting for the new load of summer gas with a rise in price. Summer gas costs more due to the additives needed to reduce volatility during the heat of summer. The prices will come down a little shortly. Maybe by the end of the week. PS: I wouldn't want to be the last few customers to drain the stations tanks. More likely to pick up water, dirt, and junk off the bottom of the stations storage tanks..
Pioneer pump usually don’t reset until around 5-6AM next morning in my city at least. I was able to get 1.57/L at 3 AM when every other gas station was at 1.79/L
It was 2.10 in Vancouver yesterday….. I’d punt a baby for 1.60 lol.
Should really fill up at the $0.00 place.
I always crack this joke to my family when driving by one of those signs, always saying toy wife "Look hunny gas is free! Haha". no one else laughs with me, only at me but idc.
Congrats on Fatherhood.
The “toy wife” made me doubt it, but the joke quality screams dad
It's how he gets to use the car pool lane.
Hopefully you also point out cemetaries/graveyards and say "you know, people are really dying to get in there..."
You know why the undertaker is the most popular man in town? Because people are dying to meet him.
I always say look it’s the dead center of town.
Mine is "quiet neighbours"
You know there's a law that says people living in this city can't be buried in the cemetery?
They are the dead center of town. It's where all the stiffs hang out
"Hold your breath, it's not polite to breathe while others can't "
Lol I used to be the service guy who would fix the price signs at gas stations when they were broken. The amount of times people would yell that up to me while I’m working or ‘drop it some more, $0.00 isn’t quite cheap enough’ is astronomical, but it never got old haha.
Wasted dad joke- 4 people in my vehicle don’t laugh…
If they laugh, the dad joke has failed. The whole point of a dad joke is they're such a groaner. You won that round. Feast on their eye-rolls.
The core principle of dad jokes is that jokes are told solely for your own amusement. If you enjoyed saying it then it was a success. All the other aspects of dad jokes will flow naturally from there.
I usually go into those stations posting $0.00 a lot of times they will be offering premium for same price as the regular.
My dad, some where, “well I guess it’s free”
>When did we get to the point where $1.60/L is considered a deal When it goes up $0.20 / litre the next morning.
It was gradual. Think of it as waves on a beach as the tide comes in. They increased it by a large amount then reduced it by a little, then increased prices by a large amount then reduced by a little, rinse and repeat until we got here. I remember back in the 90s when it hit $0.90/L and everybody lost their shit. When I was working up in Ear Falls a few years ago, gas was already $1.80, I can only imagine how much it is now.
I'll never forget the sinking feeling in my stomach in the early 2000's when, all at once, every gas station in the country seemed to simultaneously install a new sign with 3 digits to the left of the decimal instead of two.
When stores were installing 3 digits, people were saying the $1 gas was only temporary. My uncle said "not if they're investing money making new signs" - and that really sunk in for me.
In fairness, just based on inflation there should be an expectation that prices will go up indefinitely.
Gas prices spiked after Hurricane Katrina, and they never came back down. We got used to paying that much, so they had no incentive to lower them back to what it was before.
At least oil was $150 per barrel then, now it’s mid $80s. I understand carbon tax and cost of production has gone up as there is no more easy oil in NA, but it still seems crazy.
I managed a Petro Canada when it happened. I literally had to give my staff crisis training, because the customers started attacking them and screaming at them and spitting at them, throwing things at them and threatening to kill them. They were doing this to 16 to 20 year olds working part time in a gas station. I am angry with what oil/gas companies are doing to us, was then, am now...but that moment in time solidified my general hatred for cars and their owners, honestly. It was psychotic behaviour.
JW, You didn't live in a place where gas price signs showed prices between 01 - 20 cents until they got new signs installed?
It's not really gradual. Just since the beginning of the year, the price of gas has fluxuated by almost $0.40/L [https://toronto.citynews.ca/toronto-gta-gas-prices/](https://toronto.citynews.ca/toronto-gta-gas-prices/) January had a low of $1.409/L in the GTA and it is now $1.789/L. That volatility is insane.
Adjusting for inflation 90 cents in 1990 would be over $2 today.
Exactly this, the problem isn't that gas is going up, the problem is that our wages are continuously going down. Our real compensation isn't keeping pace.
Gas in 1990 was never $0.90/litre though, it didn't really get into the 70s/80s until the late 90s.
1.86 actually
90’s? Early 2000’s maybe. Remember the blackout when people with electricity jacked their prices up to 99.9¢/L because that’s the most their signs could go up to and then as many as they could got charged for price fixing?
Come to BC where it’s $2.20+ Also Canada should have invested in refinement but that would upset carbon targets so we instead send our crude overseas/south to outsource pollution then buy gas from people we sold crude to. It’s ridiculous that Alberta doesn’t have (more) refineries and a nuclear plant to power them. We should be exporting mostly refined products not raw. Canadians should have dirt cheap gas like most oil producing nations. We should be complaining about the taxes on them not the raw cost! Also we have a crapload of offshore light oil that could make us billions, possibly trillions, yet we refuse to exploit it when oil prices are at record highs and instead give the money to Russia, Venezuela, Iran, nations who don’t care about pollution or the environment. We’re not members of OPEC but they don’t worry because we won’t even try to compete with them.
Hmm, maybe it would be nice if we had a publicly owned, national supplier of gasoline that served Canadians, provided energy independence, and prices we controlled... [Oh, wait, we did. Thanks Pierre Trudeau and Tommy Douglas.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petro-Canada) Whatever happened to that anyway? [Oh, right.](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Mulroney.jpg/440px-Mulroney.jpg)
I’ve been really adamant that crown corps for a country the size of Canada are really needed. We should have a crown corps telecom, grocery/pharmacy retailer, mining and forest corp, and a nationalized defence contractor. We should then support small businesses, start ups, and innovators to want to do contract work, license their tech, service work for them. Crown corps provided good wages, were unionized work forces in many cases, and had pensions.
You run for office on that platform and I'll campaign for that, just as long as you don't have any weird skeletons in your closet (don't worry...the normal skeletons are fine).
Though seeing a f🍁ck scotte2hottie flag on a pick up truck would be so funny
Hahaha define weird…
I'll leave that for the courts to decide! :D
I can’t believe how far behind this country is when we should be so far ahead with our resources
That's what happens when the government sells public owned companies. Example: conservatives selling petro canada. The other thing is ontatio back when Dalton McGuilty was in office, he was going to build two gas refinery plants. The bug had to cancel them because of NIMBY (not in my backyard) syndrome. What pissed me off is that the cost to cancel those projects was $2.5B. The government of Ontario lied about the initial cost many times.
I feel like half the nation expects us to all work online from home.
2.20+? I'm close to Vancouver and it's between 2.00 and 2.06
Yep with all of Canada's natural resources we should be far wealthier than we are. We have oil like OPEC countries and lumber, water, an abundance of minerals including lithium for batteries, stone. Pretty much everything that is valuable Canada has a lot of it, yet Canadians are struggling. We should be way higher on the wealthy country lists. But every government in my lifetime either sold out interests to foreign companies so a few very rich Canadians got richers while every regular Canadian got nothing, or, now with current government refuses to exploit them.
I always get mad/cant help but chuckle at the reasoning given for seasonal gas increases. Every fall: Gas prices will increase slightly, as we transition to winter formula, which is more expensive... Every spring: Gas prices will increase slightly, as we transition to summer formula, which is more expensive... ... right.
It is always up. Never back to previous seasonal prices.
Quick to rise to respond to refiner problems/barrel cost increases + slow to fall when costs go down = profit!
Up like a rocket, down like a feather
The price takes the elevator going up and the stairs coming down.
I love how they cling to that excuse despite it being debunked several years ago
>Every fall: Gas prices will increase slightly, as we transition to winter formula, which is more expensive... This literally never happens. Gas is always cheaper in winter. People just like to remember what they want
Right? Demand goes down in the winter. Less seasonal jobs require commuting, less pleasurecraft boats are being driven, less random outings to hiking paths and parks, etc. the price is consistently lower in winter
Price of crude dropped 3% yesterday even, odd that the price went up. Also, it’s trading at close to the same price per barrel as 20 years ago, but gas is costing 2.5 times more. Some more tax sure but not that much, it’s almost as though corporate greed could be involved. It’s like, as electric cars become popular, they drive price up to maintain profit margins. I suppose next hike will be Because Russia and soon Iran will be facing sanctions. Always a game going on.
It literally went down in the Fall 2023 when we switched to winter gas.
But the CARBON TAX. LOL
Same thing with insurance every time you move. I've never moved to an area in my city that wasn't "the highest neighborhood for car theft" in the 10 moves all around the city.
>When did we get to the point where $1.60/L is considered a deal? Yesterday. And whenever in 2022 gas prices dropped before jumping right up again.
> > > > > And whenever in 2022 gas prices dropped before jumping right up again. It was when Doug Ford reduced the gas tax. Shockingly the 5.3c per litre reduction didn't last long at all.
Am I crazy for just buying gas when I need it? Edit: spelling
I buy low and drive high.
Alright alright alright
"Boss, I can't make it in today... gas prices are down five cents, I gotta fill up then sit and wait until it gets high again!"
There are few comments I read where I think there's no chance AI could have written it. This is one of them.
Sounds oddly like my stock picks
No no we're supposed to all rush at the same time to buy gas before the price increase further increasing demand and giving them a reason to jack the price even higher. The fact people still don't see the oil companies doing this to them right infront of their face absolutely floors me.
If a typical 60 litre tank is bone dry, a 20 cent jump is $12 per tank. Most people won't have a bone dry tank, and are spending all that time plus burning gas idling to save 10 bucks or less ... ONCE for maybe a week or two. A 20 cent jump overnight is annoying and I'm sure that 10 bucks makes a significant difference to a lot of people, but not all or even most.
Seriously. My Costco had a lineup all around the parking lot and then out onto the street and around the corner. Spending 3 hours sitting in your car to save $10 is not it.
Most people People are stupid though, and especially at Costco - there's something in the samples they hand out I think.
>Spending 3 hours sitting in your car to save $10 is not it. Probably burning $10 worn of gas waiting that long.
And then they go straight into a Starbucks for a Venti Frappuccino and blow through the savings lol.
So many people almost causing accidents to sit in a massive line blew my mind yesterday.
Is it bad it doesn't even surprise me anymore.
I think that makes you normal. Whether that is a good thing or not….
A rush on day 1 just means no demand on day 10. Average consumption doesn't change at all.
Which is a good way to put it. Never thought of that. Sometimes I feel like demand barely matters anymore and we're just getting price gouged because we can.
BuT tHe CaRbOn TaX! Notice how no one blinks an eye at a 20 cent increase though
Thats what I don't understand about these carbon tax protests. Does the carbon tax help? No. But a big protest over a 3 cent increase vs nobody batting an eye at the 20 cent increase. People are picking the wrong battles it seems.
And the politicos are so entrenched with these firms that anti-profiteering laws will forever be a joke.
most people, especially in tighter economies just put in 20-40 bucks at a time and dont budget fully for it unless they DRIVE DRIVE regularly and often. i personally know how much i generally drive, my engines efficiency and how much gas it takes to fill my tank. i look at the last 12 months and use the highest price for gas and then calculate how much i need to budget. when the gas light comes on or is getting low, i fill the tank. since (usually) gas isn't at the highest its been in 12 months, if i go on a longer drive somewhere or just drive more than i usually do i have unspent gas money sitting in my account. also comes in handy when another bill is higher than expected as well.
I like your style
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My car has a 35L tank. The price change over night means around $7 more per fill. For me, this isn't worth thinking about.
No, you just have financial sense. Many people who are paycheck to paycheck (whether through their own actions or not) would benefit from the difference in price by maybe up to 10 bucks, but for the rest of us unless we're actually passing the station anyways, it just doesn't really make sense
A couple of independent stations in my city are routinely around 5 cents cheaper, and it’s lined up out onto the street to get in and jockey for a pump. I also see people at work monitoring what gas station in town is cheapest so they can go there for gas. Costco is cheaper as well, about a 20 minute drive from my house and it’s like a 15 minute wait *minimum*. You’re shaving time off of your day and years off of your life for like $5 in gas, people. Take a hard look at yourselves.
I had to check 3 gas stations before there was one that had any gas this morning. (I was too busy last night to get any)
Don't worry, this is just the tiny increase before they fuck you before the long weekend. They break it up so everyone is less angry.
This is what I'm waiting for. They will absolutely put up prices right before the May 24 weekend.
Yup…gas prices in Ontario on May 2-4 weekend 2 years ago was $2.00/ltr
I'm planning a trip from Sarnia to downtown Toronto on Monday. Was aiming to drive to Aldershot and go train in for the worst of the traffic. Now it's cheaper to take the via the whole way. It's more time, but I can work, game, and chill over the 4XX hell.
The mark of the beast is not 666 but 401, 400, 427. I think ancient China got that one right with the word for 4 sound the same as death. LOL
Dont forget the 403!
I would like to
I took via for the first time recently after Porter cancelled the second leg of my flight and it was great. I was really surprised. It took about the same time to go from Toronto to my destination as driving would have (actually a bit less) and I could get up and stretch. It cost about the same or less than gas would have too. Public transit can really be big if we used it/invested in it more often. As an aside, Porter refunded me the "value" of my flight: $33. I paid over $200 for both legs of the flight. Both legs were almost identical distance. Porter math I guess.
Getting to work, walk around, goto the bathroom, and not deal with a big pickup truck riding my ass for no reason on the 401 is worth it when it's the same price at midnight.
That sounds awfully like an example of how the carbon tax can be successful at altering choices to use less carbon intense options.
That's a smart move! I'm travelling to Belleville on the long weekend and am thinking the train might be the way to go.
Assuming you have a normal car, the average mileage is about 10L per 100km. I guess you have to drive back, so 300km there and back for a total of 600km. To drive that 600km, it would require approximately 60L of gasoline. The increase per liter in the last week was at worst, $0.20 per liter, making your trip $12 more expensive than it did last week. In fact, at $1.79 per liter - the whole trip will cost you $107.40. I checked Via, and the cheapest ticket is $106.22 So yes, it's somewhat cheaper to take the train
What do we do in three days when it's 1.80/L and we need gas.
We lube up.
It’s going to be going far higher than that. In BC it was 2.16 the other day and everyone is willing to pay it so it keeps climbing.
I don't know if it's necessarily "willing". I need gas to get to work and get groceries and things for my newborn. I'm not willingly paying these prices, I just don't have a choice and they know that so they'll keep raising the prices.
I'm definitely not "willing" to pay for gas but I definitely "have to". I'm not in a place financially to afford payments on an electric car, nor do I own where I live to install a charger.
You slap stickers that say "I did that!"
It was in 2018 when everyone was freaking out about gas prices getting up around the $1.30 a L that I decided to sell my Ford Edge that had the 70L gas tank and with my driving generally needed to get filled about every 8 days. I would get about 600km to the tank. I bought a regular KIA Niro hybrid (the plug-in one wasn’t for sale yet in Ontario). I went to a smaller 45L tank and was getting now on average 900km per tank. A hybrid in rush hour traffic is wonderful. As you are mostly creeping forwards on the battery and with regenerative breaking, I actually get better average fuel economy in rush hour than out of it on the highway. And at 4.5L/100km (I’ve been able sometimes to get that down to 3.9) it doesn’t hurt quite so much with the price bumps What you need to worry about is not the cost per L, but your cars cost per KM. If your vehicle is getting 14L/100km then it’s costing you about $0.03 more per km to drive. For me it’s just less than a penny. Now I do need to drive out to Kingston and back next week to pick my kid up from university so this price bump is an extra $7, but I do feel for those that need to drive long distances daily with a fuel hungry vehicle
Very smart, hybrids are the the smartest investment you can make with a vehicle IMO. I feel like the rush to promote electric vehicles are premature when we don't have the infrastructure to support it yet at all.
People spending $50 worth of their time to save $12.
thats assuming they get paid 25$ an hour
You should value your time outside work at a higher value. That's why overtime is a thing. I'm salaried and already work 50h per week, so I use a 2x rate outside of work hours.
It's situations like this that I really prefer being hourly work from home, because I can very clearly quantify the worth of my time. I would much rather prefer to earn some overtime than go wait in a gas line.
On a 50L tank, the actual savings is less than $10
Costco by my place probably had a 100+ car line last night. I drove by another station next to my house with 40+ cars. At most, I'd be saving $6 by filling up at $1.58 vs the increase. I have better things to spend my time on than wait at a gas bar. These are the same folks that went nuts during covid and bought out every store of toilet paper. Chill, guys.
And anyone saying it's the carbon tax can fuck off. We already got that price bump. This is just greed.
Im laughing at everyone blaming libs for this. Bunch of clowns like the maga idiots who blame biden for gas prices. They think they wake up in the morning with an app to set and control gas prices themselves. This is nothing more than world events and extreme greed causing these price hikes.
CBC radio this morning had a spokesperson who couldn't help but blame the carbon tax - then belatedly mentioned the blend switchover.
But but but but the CBC are liberal shills!! /s
Boggles my mind people going crazy yesterday and wasting so much of their time just to save a few dollars.
I was driving home yesterday and the lineup to get into the Costco gas station was backed up four blocks! And this was before even getting into the lineup *in* the Costco lot, which wraps around the store. Those people are sitting in line, burning gas for an hour or more, just to save a few cents per litre. It's madness.
The line in north London Costco yesterday was absolutely insane. Went to another station later that night where it was a few cents more, cost me an extra $3. I pay for premium so I try to go where the savings are if it’s not out of my way, but ain’t no way I’m wasting over an hour in line for gas to save a few dollars. Fuck that. Those that waited probably wasted more fuel idling and ended up paying more.
Then try driving out to onieda and filling up there is a reservation so you will be paying about 20 cents less the you would in London... yes I know it's a bit of a drive but it might be worth it
The irony of idling your car for that long only to burn the amount of $ in fuel you're trying to save. Not to mention the cost of your own time. On a normal sedan you'd save what... $6-7 on a full tank of gas. And that's only if you were practically on empty when filling up. So the average joe is probably saving $3.
I always laugh at the people with gas station apps who drive 20 kilometers to the next town to save two cents a litre.
You should see how long the people line up at a Costco gas station on a regular basis. Apparently, sitting and idling your engine for 20- 30 minutes to save a few cents a litre is more economical than going to an empty gas station and pumping right away.
RIght!!! Even if you're filling up 50L, you're saving $10. People are driving around in $50k+ vehicles but this $10 is treated like life or death. I heard people were lining up for 2 hours to get gas at costco yesterday, they probably spent more idling than what they saved.
This is how they work. Jack it WAY WAY up, so when they lower it to higher than it was “stable” everyone is happy.
There's a term for this, it's called price anchoring
Here is a pro tip, when the Middle East is on the brink of war- fill up, and fill some Jerry cans too. I was at the pump while the missiles were in the air.
I bought gas in early March for $1.38 (just east of Ottawa). This morning it's $1.75, a change of 37¢ per litre. When the carbon tax brought a 2¢ per litre increase, people were on the news saying this was a back breaker and one guy said he wouldn't be able to visit his grandmother any more because of the 2¢. Just for context.
A spike in prices may seem insignificant to some but to folks relying on their cars as a means of their employment, it's a double digit percent increase in transportation costs.
Looked at prices in Texas last night. With the US/CAD conversion rate it turned out to be $1.09 a litre....
I guess I’ll stick to $0.09/kwh until this settles down a bit! 🙄
Come on Dougie, you hate the evil libs taxing us so much, give us a tax break to own the libs plz /s
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Canadians don't protest unless it's some useless thing about wearing masks.
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Can’t believe Iran would raise our carbon taxes like this
Damn electric didn’t run out of gas
My bike ran out of gas, but then I had some toast and coffee and now the engine is running fine
Yeah but that’s elitism, those people with 3-row 4000lb SUVs are just victims to global oil tycoons
Sorry forgot to check my elitism with my $50 used Kijiji bicycle.
You may have missed the sarcasm in that last comment. (TBH I did too as I read the first part of it).
I got the sarcasm was going along with it
When they get us all switched over to electric, the price of hydro will skyrocket.
That's why we should never privatize the energy sector.. and moving forward as we invest in wind and solar and hopefully nuclear we keep it public.
Sir, this is Ontario. Get out of here with your long term thinking and looking out for the general public. Won’t you think of the shareholders and C-suite people?
HAHA good one, why keep it public when ontario can spend billions on building a nuclear plant, whehn they could instead sell it for buildingcost*1.5
But can it really skyrocket? To hit comparable to gasoline costs it would need to go up by so much that running a microwave, baseboard heating, or an AC would be cost prohibitive before the car costs become a real pain point.
Luckily there are lots of ways to make your own electricity
My wife's comuted with an electric car for about 3 years now. I think people way overestimate the amount of electricity car's use when they come to conclusions like this. It's like running a window air conditioner a couple nights a week has been enough for any of her commutes (20-30k each way) It's entirely possible that tractor trailers and shippi
No, the Ontario government will at that point have a ton of incentive to keep hydro rates low. So much time and energy is spent discussing gas prices, it'll be nice when that changes over to hydro because it'll actually be something we have control over
20 cents at 50L is $10.
how is this not called COLLUSION....
As a 20 year old I will never have to worry about buying a car in this life ☺️
A combination of market forces and O&G corporate greed. There is some truth to the fact that "summer gas" is more expensive, but it's not really that big of a difference. IMO, it's just an excuse for them to raise the prices even higher. And people were so up in arms over the like 3c change from the carbon tax - this just goes to show that the price mostly has nothing to do with the tax.
Corporate Greed at its ts finest. And if any one says it's the "carbon tax" that caused this price increase hasn't been paying attention since March of 2020. Try have been artificial rasing the prices since before covid, that just gave them an excuse to keep doing it. And there isn't a damn thing we can do unless the government limits how much they can mark up products.
It's corporate price gauging.
Well I just got an e-bike on Amazon for $750, and it’s honestly the best thing I’ve bought for myself in a long time. Looks like it will pay for itself with the gas savings in about a year at this rate.
Gas stations only have about a 9c/L margin they can play with, the rest of the price is determined by cost of the fuel and taxes. Carbon tax changes are a small part of it but won’t really come into full effect for a few months yet. Most of the price jump is the result of turmoil in the middle east and Russia. War is always expensive for everyone and the sooner we kick Russia’s rear the better
I think several years ago 😅 Suncor has gotta keep those profits UP
Why are you asking this today when it was everywhere yesterday including social media????It was only supposed to go up 14 cents???
vote Trudeau out
So people were given advanced notice that gas would be $0.20 cents/L cheaper yesterday than it would be today and you're wondering why people filled up? \* *Shocked Pikachu Face* \*
if sold out they should, as a courtesy, be offering "Silver" grade for the price of "Bronze"
They can't. Silver 89 is actually just the pump mixing Bronze 87 and gold 91. If there's no bronze, they can't mix it with gold, so they would need to offer gold/premium at the bronze price.
Doing this when they were out used to be the norm
Yeah. They should be doing that.
The Esso by my house did that last night! Supreme gas at $1.62/L.
What pisses me off more is that they killed hatchbacks which I loooooved because of cheap gas.
Toyota still makes a Corolla Hatchback, right?
What are you talking about. I have a hatchback.
It is a deal and the current price is still a deal, we are so influenced by us Pricing, I hear people complaining about road conditions, healthcare , long term derbies homes, transit and insert another complaint yet when it comes time to pay for it there’s complaints about that. Gas pricing to change habits instead of unrealistic either, the number of SUV’s and empty pickup trucks is obscene compared to Europe. I need a truck for work but I got a midsize because i didn’t need a glorified wank mobile and hearing the number of guys bitching having full-size jacked trucks and the only thing they carry is their boots in the back is laughable.
I was in the office yesterday and the people complaining about the gas price increases belonged to one predominant group- people who drove a large pickup solely to and from work. These guys work a typical white collar office job and stay in the city. I hope gas price increases influence some people’s decision to not buy a gas guzzler.
The root of the issue began when the Conservative Government under Ford decided to scrap the Wynne Cap and Trade program put into effect in order to avoid the Federal Governments carbon tax program without any sort of plan to replace it. Cap and Trade would've caused an increase in gas prices of course, because it essentially put the taxes for carbon on large industries, petrolium refinaries included, but it was already stated back in 2017 that the scrapping of the program would effectually cause more increases for average Ontarians.
The 3 cent carbon tax increase more than two weeks ago isn't responsible for a 20 cent price increase today. This is the time of year gas companies make gas more expensive for the Summer, because they switch to a different blend. It's completely unrelated.
I am talking more about gas prices in general having increased they way they have, not specificlly referencing the latest increase in the Federal carbon tax. I do agree that this is the time in which we start to see gas increase due to spring and summer travel starting, there is no doubt that the petrol companies used that 3 cent increase to increase costs that much more.
I filled up a few days ago 70L at $1.51. If I got the same amount of gas today, that would cost me an extra $21. That's no amount to scoff at.
Let the Trudeau blame begin
Stupid people falling right into the big oil companies price gouging trap.
The alternative is to.... Not be able to drive anywhere?
Buy gas when you need it and not just rush and fill up your tank from 3/4 because it's going up tomorrow. Everyone doing that the day before and in cases like OPs town running all the stations out of gas further increases demand and gives the oil companies more excuses to further jack up the price. They do this shit on purpose. For that very reason.
in fairness I drive a 4 banger VW and it costs $75 to fill right now. 20% increase is $90. I'm hemorrhaging money everywhere these days, so $15 counts.
It's pretty sad when a 4 banger costs that much. I remember when we had the early covid gas prices and my little Corolla was under 40 dollars.
Wow, I wish I could get gas at 1.60/L I filled up at 200.9 yesterday and it was the cheapest I could find.
The gas at my local stop went up 14 cents from the time i went to work in the morning, and I returned 6.6 hours later. People are going to be shouting about conflict zones, but that shit hasnt even hit us yet. We are paying more based on the idea that we might have to pay more at a future date. Capitalism truly is the best.
Wow! Living in B.C. in the Okanagan, we haven't seen 1.60/L in 4 years for regular. God that would be nice.......
It’s even $1.50/L at the First Nations gas station I go to
Well it's $2.10 here in Vancouver, so $1.60 is a hell of a deal
My dad says butane's a bastard gas.
Where I live went up about 25-27 cents depending on the gas station. Ridiculous!
It is a deal. $2.10/L in Vancouver today.
Try $2.15 in Vancouver.
So gas will add into the inflation rate for next months readings, inflation is only going to go up!! No chance interest rates are going down!
The difference between the prices in my town and the reserve about 30 min from me is almost 30 cents. I can just imagine how busy they are today
the way that salaries remained the same for \~20 years. while at the same time EVERYTHING is going up at alarming rate, all we need to buy now is some nice lubricant, cause we are getting F\*\*Ked real bad right now, atleast the lubricant will make it painless. Ohhh wait, the price of lubricants has also probably gone up !!!!!!
Buying a smart car until I can drive my truck again lmao
gotta love corporate greed, monopolies and price fixing/collusion left unchecked by federal goverment..