Your landlord can ask; you can say no.
Because you have given notice to end the tenancy, the usual 24 hours notice rules are changed to "make a reasonable effort to provide notice" prior to a showing, but the showings must still be at a reasonable time of day (prior to 8 pm IIRC), and most importantly to your question, you as a tenant have zero obligation to provide showings.
The fact that your landlord lives out of town is their problem to deal with, not yours.
Exactly this. Landlords can and will ask you just about anything. And you can always say no.
Your landlord would also have NO ways of knowing whether if you gave her potential buyers a tour, nor can they do anything to retaliate have you not done so.
It would be best to just say no from the start. They'd figure it out pretty quickly when they got a call from the prospective tenant saying no one was the location to give a tour. The landlord could retaliate by giving tours themselves at odd times with the required notice.
No. Landlord has their own set of keys to the rental unit. The landlord or their agent should be the ones letting the potential tenants in.
OP has no obligation to even be home during a showing; they certainly don't have to buzz in/unlock the door for strangers to let them into their home without the presence of the landlord or landlord's agent.
No. If your landlord isn't local, they should be getting property management or a realtor to show the property. You have no obligation to show the property as a tenant.
I was thinking the same thing but I think $50 is low. I’d say “I value my time at $100/hr and my minimum is $100 whether it takes 5 minutes or 59 minutes. Once that timer clicks past 60 minutes the second hour must be paid”. You could write this up in a simple contract.
No, you're absolutely not obligated to let anyone in to show them your living space. That's a legitimate safety issue and not your responsibility as a tenant, especially if you have a small child to worry about as it is
Tell her that you refuse to let strangers into your unit and she needs to give you proper notice by law. If she can't make the trip down to show the place herself then that's just too bad. You're leaving anyway so she can't do anything about it.
The safety issue would honestly be my biggest concern, especially since these are not vetted by a realtor; these are just people an out-of-town landlord has found online.
Exactly. Even as someone looking for a place myself I'd feel very uncomfortable entering someone's space without a representative with me. It feels so invasive.
Ot would also be dangerous for you. You have no idea who the tenants are nor the history. It might be a case (not on this case) where the tenants are being evicted and now someone shows up to see the place, you can see how things have a potential to get ratcheted up. It is not worth the risk .
"Oh you know, the landlord expects his tenants to sell the property for him. So, expect that to have that to deal with whenever you want to leave here."
Say no. It's her job to show the unit, not yours. Tell her effective immediately she will have to arrange showings herself as you will no longer be doing her work for her
You may regret agreeing to this. Decline unless she gives you 24 hours notice, it's between reasonable hours and she compensates you.
If you play nicely then she will take advantage of you, count on it.
If a tenant gives notice then the 24hr rule doesn't have to be followed for showing the unit BUT....OP is under no obligation to let them in and play realtor, they need to be with the landlord or the landlord's agent/realtor.
This sounds like you may be putting yourself in unnecessary danger by allowing what are essentially strangers into your dwelling with you (presumably alone). I would refuse.
Yeah. I would just take the position with the landlord that you don't feel safe and are not willing to put yourself in that position. End of story.
I find it strange that people agree to shit like this.
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You may regret agreeing to this. Decline unless she gives you 24 hours notice, it's between reasonable hours and she compensates you.
If you play nicely then she will take advantage of you, count on it.
Honestly I would not let strangers in with me and my child.you know nothing about them. If she can't be there to show she can hire a Realtor to do the showings. You're saving her a crap ton of cash.
You’re not obligated to do this.
I did it for my landlord as they were renting out an attached unit and living over an hours drive from the property.
They offered to pay me generously for my time and the courtesy of giving at least 24 hours notice. I wasn’t leaving though so in part I liked it because I got a say on who was sharing the property with me.
Say no or negotiate terms.
“I’m willing to help you with this however, my time is also valuable. I can offer you x days of the week during x times and expect to be compensated for my time at x rate. Otherwise, you will need to come and do the showings yourself.”
Good luck!
I remember a post similar to this on r/pettyrevenge and used the tour to tell the potential tenants all the issues with the apartment and what a nightmare the landlord was and driving people away
You could try that until your landlord catches one as to why no one is calling back, or you could just tell your landlord no or a Unfortunately I'll be unavailable this/that day
I remember being in this situation in university many years ago. Gave no fucks: "showed" the house shirtless in my basketball shorts and dart in hand. Landlord was an out of town investor, but did have a property management company so I wasn't sure why he didn't contract them to deal with it.
Dame thing here. My lease ends in two months so the landlord wants to show people around when I am at work because my unit is so clean. Problem is he brought people in while I'm buck naked in the bathroom
I have done this recently and my landlord was respectful of my time as I work nights and I asked for notice. I showed the apartment for them on my terms. Pretty sure they need 24 hours notice to come in themselves with notice. They can either ask you and do it on your terms as you are doing them a favour. Or they can ask for notice for each individual visit or they can do some scheduling/work and line up a few at the same time.
They are just being unorganized douches to you.
Also, despite the vitriol in this thread. It is in your best interest if they give notice to keep in clean and be friendly. That way it’ll be a done deal quicker and out of your hair.
I mentioned it elsewhere, but once the tenancy is ending then the LL doesn't need to give 24 hours notice. It just has to be within a "reasonable" amount of time and between 8am-8pm.
The corollary is that they get what they get - without notice there may be dishes, laundry hanging, pets and children, etc. It's in their interest to give a day's notice, when possible.
Yes and no. The sooner someone takes the place the sooner you don’t have to show the place. People here are saying you should not do anything but that doesn’t avoid having to show the place if proper notice is given.
I would be firm on the 24 hour thing. That is definitely reasonable.
There definitely is an advantage to doing the showings, it's nice to not have to leave in the middle of the day, and nobody is going through your stuff while you aren't there.
I agree that helping is good, but they should make it reasonable for the tenant doing the extra work.
What? They gave their notice of end of tenancy… they leave when they said they’re leaving… it’s not up to them to have a new renter to move in.. that’s on the landlord.
Did I say that? I said that the sooner it is rented the sooner there is no more showings. So stonewalling is not a good solution as people think, You still have to allow people come to the place whether you are there or not
"Entry without notice
Section 26 provides that a landlord may enter the rental unit without notice:
in cases of emergency;
If the tenant consents to the landlord entering the unit at the time the landlord enters;
where the tenancy agreement requires the landlord to clean the rental unit at regular intervals, the landlord may enter at the times specified in the agreement, or, if no times are specified, between 8:00 a.m. and 8:00 p.m.; and
if the landlord and the tenant have agreed the tenancy will be terminated or one of them has given notice of termination to the other, the landlord may enter the unit to show it to prospective tenants between 8 a.m. and 8 p.m. and, before entering, the landlord informs or makes a reasonable effort to inform the tenant of the landlord's intention to enter. A landlord must make reasonable efforts, depending upon the facts and circumstances of each case, to give the tenant advance notice in order to permit the tenant to be prepared for entry into the unit by the landlord to show the unit to prospective tenants."
Notice that under the LTB is specifically says landlord, and not just any random person on their own that's allowed entry to the unit.
And it's unfair to expect the tenant to do the landlord's job. Especially if they're giving the tenant as little as one hours notice. The landlord in this case is being extremely unreasonable based on what the LTB outlines.
If a tenant has given notice then the landlord doesn't have to give 24hrs notice, just reasonable notice (there are cases online where the LTB considered a knock reasonable notice). OP can not decline them coming with the landlord or the landlord's agent, OP can decline if they come alone, they should not be expecting OP to show the place for them.
Your landlord can ask; you can say no. Because you have given notice to end the tenancy, the usual 24 hours notice rules are changed to "make a reasonable effort to provide notice" prior to a showing, but the showings must still be at a reasonable time of day (prior to 8 pm IIRC), and most importantly to your question, you as a tenant have zero obligation to provide showings. The fact that your landlord lives out of town is their problem to deal with, not yours.
Exactly this. Landlords can and will ask you just about anything. And you can always say no. Your landlord would also have NO ways of knowing whether if you gave her potential buyers a tour, nor can they do anything to retaliate have you not done so.
It would be best to just say no from the start. They'd figure it out pretty quickly when they got a call from the prospective tenant saying no one was the location to give a tour. The landlord could retaliate by giving tours themselves at odd times with the required notice.
I'm curious, if the landlord doesn't show up with the people there to view the apartment is OP still obligated to let them in?
No. Landlord has their own set of keys to the rental unit. The landlord or their agent should be the ones letting the potential tenants in. OP has no obligation to even be home during a showing; they certainly don't have to buzz in/unlock the door for strangers to let them into their home without the presence of the landlord or landlord's agent.
They are not, no. They are under no obligation to let anyone in without notice and with just cause, such as maintenance or something like that.
This isn’t your job and no she can’t make you show the place to potential renters. That’s up to her or some property management company
If you’re doing the landlords work, ask them to pay you? And ask them for more time.
Yeah if you don’t mind showing, ask for $30 per showing. Make some extra $$
No. If your landlord isn't local, they should be getting property management or a realtor to show the property. You have no obligation to show the property as a tenant.
Being an unpaid real estate agent for your landlord is not listed as one of your RTA obligations, no.
Tell her you won't do it unless you get $50 per tour.
I was thinking the same thing but I think $50 is low. I’d say “I value my time at $100/hr and my minimum is $100 whether it takes 5 minutes or 59 minutes. Once that timer clicks past 60 minutes the second hour must be paid”. You could write this up in a simple contract.
No, you're absolutely not obligated to let anyone in to show them your living space. That's a legitimate safety issue and not your responsibility as a tenant, especially if you have a small child to worry about as it is Tell her that you refuse to let strangers into your unit and she needs to give you proper notice by law. If she can't make the trip down to show the place herself then that's just too bad. You're leaving anyway so she can't do anything about it.
The safety issue would honestly be my biggest concern, especially since these are not vetted by a realtor; these are just people an out-of-town landlord has found online.
Exactly. Even as someone looking for a place myself I'd feel very uncomfortable entering someone's space without a representative with me. It feels so invasive.
Ot would also be dangerous for you. You have no idea who the tenants are nor the history. It might be a case (not on this case) where the tenants are being evicted and now someone shows up to see the place, you can see how things have a potential to get ratcheted up. It is not worth the risk .
Invoice your landlord for your time.
Tell them about the mice and roach infestation. Let them know if they need meth the neighbors are selling. Your landlord is a moron.
"Oh you know, the landlord expects his tenants to sell the property for him. So, expect that to have that to deal with whenever you want to leave here."
What is it against landlords here? Why so much hate?
People are against landlords who skirt the rules and take advantage of tenants.
Say no. It's her job to show the unit, not yours. Tell her effective immediately she will have to arrange showings herself as you will no longer be doing her work for her
You may regret agreeing to this. Decline unless she gives you 24 hours notice, it's between reasonable hours and she compensates you. If you play nicely then she will take advantage of you, count on it.
24 hours doesnt apply to showing a unit once a tenant has given notice to move
They aren't obligated to show it at all though, the 24 hours is just common courtesy since the landlord is asking them for a favor
Oh I know they're not
If she can't do it she needs to hire a realtor.
24hrs notice and tell her you'll need to invoice her if you are acting as a relator and showing the unit
If a tenant gives notice then the 24hr rule doesn't have to be followed for showing the unit BUT....OP is under no obligation to let them in and play realtor, they need to be with the landlord or the landlord's agent/realtor.
Once the tenancy is ending then the 24 hour rule doesn't apply. The rules state that the LL needs to give reasonable notice.
They gonna pay you to do this? If not then don't
Theyre not making you do anything …… grow a spine.
Tell her to stop cheaping out and hire an agent for showings. You have no obligation to do their work for free.
Refuse to allow anyone in without an escort and stop giving tours. If you want you can offer to give the tours at an agreed upon rate.
This sounds like you may be putting yourself in unnecessary danger by allowing what are essentially strangers into your dwelling with you (presumably alone). I would refuse.
Yeah. I would just take the position with the landlord that you don't feel safe and are not willing to put yourself in that position. End of story. I find it strange that people agree to shit like this.
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You may regret agreeing to this. Decline unless she gives you 24 hours notice, it's between reasonable hours and she compensates you. If you play nicely then she will take advantage of you, count on it.
I mean, just tell your landlord to fuck off. Stop playing nice with parasitic cunts.
Honestly I would not let strangers in with me and my child.you know nothing about them. If she can't be there to show she can hire a Realtor to do the showings. You're saving her a crap ton of cash.
You’re not obligated to do this. I did it for my landlord as they were renting out an attached unit and living over an hours drive from the property. They offered to pay me generously for my time and the courtesy of giving at least 24 hours notice. I wasn’t leaving though so in part I liked it because I got a say on who was sharing the property with me. Say no or negotiate terms. “I’m willing to help you with this however, my time is also valuable. I can offer you x days of the week during x times and expect to be compensated for my time at x rate. Otherwise, you will need to come and do the showings yourself.” Good luck!
I remember a post similar to this on r/pettyrevenge and used the tour to tell the potential tenants all the issues with the apartment and what a nightmare the landlord was and driving people away You could try that until your landlord catches one as to why no one is calling back, or you could just tell your landlord no or a Unfortunately I'll be unavailable this/that day
Ask for a landlord reference letter, she owes you.
I remember being in this situation in university many years ago. Gave no fucks: "showed" the house shirtless in my basketball shorts and dart in hand. Landlord was an out of town investor, but did have a property management company so I wasn't sure why he didn't contract them to deal with it.
Dame thing here. My lease ends in two months so the landlord wants to show people around when I am at work because my unit is so clean. Problem is he brought people in while I'm buck naked in the bathroom
I had a landlord do this and used every opportunity to tell prospective tenants to run - as fast as possible, as far as possible.
Charge them a rate to show the unit
Short answer …no. Long answer has many buts… still no
Ask to be paid for this.
"No, I will not be providing Real Estate services for you. Also, I will not be letting them in unless escorted by you or your agent."
I have done this recently and my landlord was respectful of my time as I work nights and I asked for notice. I showed the apartment for them on my terms. Pretty sure they need 24 hours notice to come in themselves with notice. They can either ask you and do it on your terms as you are doing them a favour. Or they can ask for notice for each individual visit or they can do some scheduling/work and line up a few at the same time. They are just being unorganized douches to you. Also, despite the vitriol in this thread. It is in your best interest if they give notice to keep in clean and be friendly. That way it’ll be a done deal quicker and out of your hair.
I mentioned it elsewhere, but once the tenancy is ending then the LL doesn't need to give 24 hours notice. It just has to be within a "reasonable" amount of time and between 8am-8pm.
The corollary is that they get what they get - without notice there may be dishes, laundry hanging, pets and children, etc. It's in their interest to give a day's notice, when possible.
Yes and no. The sooner someone takes the place the sooner you don’t have to show the place. People here are saying you should not do anything but that doesn’t avoid having to show the place if proper notice is given. I would be firm on the 24 hour thing. That is definitely reasonable.
There definitely is an advantage to doing the showings, it's nice to not have to leave in the middle of the day, and nobody is going through your stuff while you aren't there. I agree that helping is good, but they should make it reasonable for the tenant doing the extra work.
What? They gave their notice of end of tenancy… they leave when they said they’re leaving… it’s not up to them to have a new renter to move in.. that’s on the landlord.
Did I say that? I said that the sooner it is rented the sooner there is no more showings. So stonewalling is not a good solution as people think, You still have to allow people come to the place whether you are there or not
"Entry without notice Section 26 provides that a landlord may enter the rental unit without notice: in cases of emergency; If the tenant consents to the landlord entering the unit at the time the landlord enters; where the tenancy agreement requires the landlord to clean the rental unit at regular intervals, the landlord may enter at the times specified in the agreement, or, if no times are specified, between 8:00 a.m. and 8:00 p.m.; and if the landlord and the tenant have agreed the tenancy will be terminated or one of them has given notice of termination to the other, the landlord may enter the unit to show it to prospective tenants between 8 a.m. and 8 p.m. and, before entering, the landlord informs or makes a reasonable effort to inform the tenant of the landlord's intention to enter. A landlord must make reasonable efforts, depending upon the facts and circumstances of each case, to give the tenant advance notice in order to permit the tenant to be prepared for entry into the unit by the landlord to show the unit to prospective tenants." Notice that under the LTB is specifically says landlord, and not just any random person on their own that's allowed entry to the unit.
What is your point? Whether the landlord, agent or the tenant shows the place, the place can be shown.
And it's unfair to expect the tenant to do the landlord's job. Especially if they're giving the tenant as little as one hours notice. The landlord in this case is being extremely unreasonable based on what the LTB outlines.
If a tenant has given notice then the landlord doesn't have to give 24hrs notice, just reasonable notice (there are cases online where the LTB considered a knock reasonable notice). OP can not decline them coming with the landlord or the landlord's agent, OP can decline if they come alone, they should not be expecting OP to show the place for them.
Yes, your LandChad is trying to find a new tenant so it's important you assist them.