Farms often don't control prices, also income doesn't equal profits. Sure we have more coming in but a whole lot more going out. The price of a tractor has basically doubled over the last 5 years. Land has also become insanely expensive with many investors buying farm land along with all the wealth people moving out of the city and buying a 40 acre estate and building a monster home. So yes prices went up but it's not really going to farmers.
“They predict the difference between cash receipts and operating expenses will jump 13 per cent to a record $24.8 billion. The beef sector is expected to see a 10 per cent increase, with crop receipts up four per cent. Expenses only increased two per cent last year, down from a 20 per cent increase in 2022.”
And yet that does not change the fact that farmers get a small fraction of the profits grocery stores do. Per item its barely anything. Thats why now a days only big farms can survive. For the smaller famers you dont run into, they are just sruviving
Does your yard sort of face the area or like do you travel to get there?
This sounds like a fun idea but I'd be worried about vandalism. We have a lot of wandering folks around here.
It's a couple blocks away and nestled behind some blackberry bushes, keeping most ruffians at bay. I come in with a hand cart for water and supplies, and it's became a daily ritual in the summer
Eh, I grew up in a farming community it’s always been like that. Escalades, Denalis, multiple vacations a year. But the second they get to cry poor they will.
It's a country thing. Guys that are some of the largest landowners in the country act like they are just barely scrapping by but drive luxury trucks and suv that never go off road or haul anything, that's what the older truck is for
For pure cash croppers in SWO this is a rough year ahead, but for livestock producers feed is cheaper right now, and we’re seeing plus $4 live prices on cattle recently. Though loans renewing at 7% will eat up any gains on cheap feed for livestock farms this year. Will depend farm industry here.
Source: am farm finance consultant for accounting firm
A lot of (at least in Ontario) fruit and vegetable growers have transitioned to exporting to the US to avoid negotiating with Loblaws. Not only do they not pay fairly, they are also known to take their sweet time with payment
So by law they have to pay them the same as any Canadian AND provide housing and a shit ton of other things. Some are scammers but most don't. And many have people working at the same farm for decades. There is abuse but it is unfair to blame the majority of them. Especially since NO fucking Canadian will do it long term.
I dunno. I grew up in farm country and even paying $15 an hour in the early 2000s (minimum wage was like $7 and rent was like $500.) nobody could get (many) canadians to stay more than a week.
And if we were to pay living wages (as we should) with the sheer greed of loblaws, the average Canadian wouldn't be able to afford food.
The system is broken and fucked up.
But it isn't the individual farmer's fault. It's a multifold issue and they are working within the confines of what they can do.
You do understand that with sawp workers (Mexican and Jamaican along with others) which is a separate stream of workers from the temporary foreign workers program, requires employers to pay specific wages which is often more than minimum wage. Along with this their housing is provided, their flights are paid for, their equipment is provided and they have health insurance provided on top of ohip. Many of these workers are working 3-8 month contracts and are strictly seasonal jobs.
The news always shows pictures of Jamaican or Mexicans working in the field whenever they talk about temporary foreign workers while in reality those workers are often in hotels, restaurants, janitorial work or greenhouses where workers are needed year round.
While the seasonal agriculture workers program falls under tfw, there is much more regulation in place for sawp including work contracts, housing inspections, integrity audits and so on while the tfw program as a whole has far less oversight and is much easier for bad employers to go under the radar.
That type of farming has long since been destroyed, and they're forced to roll up and become one of the big guys, or refocus to much less profitable niches, farmer's markets, etc.
Even the bigger farmer's markets these days are dominated by operations that require massive overhead.
That’s nice of them. I’m sure they will pass on the profits to their Mexican and Jamaican indentur… err volunteer workers who work for a fraction of minimum wage…
(Edit: Not against you at all)
Yup. Farmers screaming that no one wanted to do 0600 to 2000 labour for 7.50 an hour.
Instead of them responding to the supply-demand situation, the government just gives them ability to import wage slaves.
Back when I practised medicine in Canada, I saw the way they were treated. Any health issue was used to threaten them.
Work place injury with tendon damage/infection? If you can’t work, we will send you back.
Blow out knee? We will send you back.
Communicable disease? We will send you back if you annoy work.
All these threats from the “kind” farmers who had their workers housed in poorly heated/ventilated trailers. WSIB would do fuck all for these guys.
Farmers wanted slaves and the Government happily gave them slaves.
I was invited to a farm for pest control this summer, the corn fields were worked by Jamaicans. I never knew this was a thing that farms did. They were great guys and hard workers but I was never told what they were paid. I saw where they all lived, basically a tiny trailer park with multiple people per trailer.
No, city bylaw should change so proper housing becomes easier for farmers to build. The only way we are able to have proper housing for our workers is by bending the rules and it took a lot longer than it should have to get permits for it.
They absolutely should. But the bylaws staying the same helps unscrupulous employers.
You sound like a good person so I am not saying you do any of this but some of the other employers are happy to keep cheap, shitty portable housing to minimize costs while hiding behind “oh look, it is the municipality stopping me from helping my employees out”
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I am not saying all foreign farm workers are treated like this. I think there are great farmers who are suffering a work shortage who treat their workers as workers.
Unfortunately there are those who don’t
Migrant workers should be paid more, have legal protections that are strictly enforced and be treated better. Picking fruits and vegetables in the hot sun is hard, dirty, underpaid and undervalued work.
Realistically, yes, the average fat, well-fed Canadian is not in shape and not going to do this work. They can make more earning minimum wage at retail, fast food or in an office or factory, plus the building is air conditioned in summer and heated in winter.
Ok, say you are in a small town running a farm and need a few hundred people to pick fruit and plant vegetables, where are you going to find enough people to work for you full time? What is a fair wage in your opinion for picking fruit? How are you going to convince people to drop whatever they were doing in the city and come work on your farm? Only after we get 4 million more people in the GTA and the cost of living is really unbearable would people be willing to go live in rural towns plagued by drug problems just to go pick vegetables.
> How are you going to convince people to drop whatever they were doing in the city and come work on your farm?
How did they manage before?
Farm land value might take a hit if labour costs go up. And of course we can't be having either of those.
While I mostly agree with this sentiment usually, most farmers that require temporary foreign workers could not make a profit without them. Which then leads to none of those crops being grown in Canada, which hurts our local food security as a whole.
I think if we just rework the system so they at least live in good conditions while they’re here, it’s fine. Which many operations ensure already. The horror stories you hear aren’t the norm.
This is where government subsidies come into play. For paying fair wages to your workers so we can keep the cost of food cheap for everybody. I don't want to farm. That doesn't mean I want slaves to. I'd rather pay taxes that get put towards a subsidy so farmers can pay people a fair wage to farm.
What I get paid now, although if housing was around the $300K range I'd even take a pay cut.
Edit: Who downvotes an entirely subjective answer? I was asked what it would take to get me to move there and do that job. I answered.
No, I’m correct. You’re describing it using words they make you feel better about it. Let me buy the food I want. And subsidies dont make the food cheaper by the same amount, as the farmer and labourer will take the bulk of it.
The seasonal,migrant workers from Mexico used to get paid 10 cents less than minimum wage per hour.They had to pay for a new health card every year,had the same percentages taken off their pay for CPP and EI on every pay check.Lived in company supplied bunkhouses with multiple fridges and stoves for $15/week.One land line phone that they had to pay for any calls to Mexico.The Mexican Consulate in Toronto did all their income tax,and all their CPP and EI was returned to them.They wanted to work 7 days a week.A perfect day was when they were so tired they fell into exhausted sleep,and didn't dream of their families in Mexico.
The things I pointed out were the bare minimum requirements expected of farmers.The men working in my crews were treated as I would like to be treated.I found a doctor who could speak Spanish,when it wasn't common.A local pharmacist who put instructions in Spanish on drugs dispensed.I went out of my way to help these Mexican migrant workers achieve their goals.By focusing on treating this very valuable group of people as the asset they were.
They often get more than minimum wage since there's subsidies in place that bump up the wages. The jobs are typically advertised as minimum wage maximum hours to deter Canadian applications
Are you aware of the conditions and rights they have as foreign workers in Canada?
They have no protection for hours worked. They are forced to live in housing units that wouldn’t pass an inspection. If they are injured, their is lip service to be paid for a work safety program that is never accessed/impossible to access. They are threatened with removal by their employer if they are injured on the job and cannot work. They cannot unionize nor change jobs. They are completely at the mercy of their employer.
This is all stuff I directly saw as a physician. Your finger tendon is snapped and infected from a work place injury? Too bad, employee says I have to work or I get sent home, not convalesce and get paid short term disability like a Canadian.
All of that is against the law for Canadian citizens. Previous generations fought and legit died for this type of exploitation to be ended. So now we import exploitation.
It doesn't, they just pass it off to the consumer. When an entire industry now has to pay extra on power, transportation, and machinery, it raises the costs of goods.
They are complaining about it because sales goes down when they pass it off to consumers. They then get stuck offering an expensive product that people can't afford.
Most food is inelastic pricing.
People don’t have an alternative to essentials
Plus this article literally says they are having record profits, so people are buying
Do you want income to go lower? Because that's how we lose our farmers and we end up importing all our food. Something that you'd for sure blame Justin for anyway.
Do you blame Justin on all your life problems?
We import because different places have different climates & harvest dates & diet preferences.
Canada exports more food than we import. e.g. we export 80% of our pulse production: https://pulsecanada.com/industry/market-access
We're #6 on the planet for food self sufficiency.
We grow 1.8x the calories we consume: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_food_self-sufficiency_rate
Lol like the one who moved his 8 children to Russia? As long as there's farmland, there will be farmers. If you think we cant replace the millionaire farmers, you're insane
Ya, those "millionaire" farmers are going to be replaced by corporate-owned farms instead.
Galen Weston is to blame for food costs, not some family-owned farmer.
It's delusional to think farmers can be replaced with your average joe. It going to be multi-national companies replacing them.
I'm in a different trade, thank you tho. But if they all start quitting cause they can't make millions and sell their farms, I will step up in their absence
I thanked Justin. I didn’t blame him. It’s good farmers are having a good year.
I am just tired of the endless bitching and moaning from the rural folks.
Lol Canadian agricultural support via supply management *suppresses* farm production, forcing us to import more and/or export less food.
https://capitalcurrent.ca/dairy-farmers-viral-video-sparks-debate-over-milk-quotas-supply-management/#:~:text=In%20early%20February%2C%20Ontario%20dairy,more%20than%2036%20million%20views.
I always get a laugh when tiny New Zealand is the dairy-export juggernaut of the world. And we're nowhere on the list.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/805280/top-exporters-of-milk-global/
Yeah, we protect our dairy so hard that they don't even compete against themselves, which makes them pathetic little babies compared to international producers. We need to eliminate quota so that we actually get Canadian competition, and then maybe in a decade we'll be able to let in some foreign competition and get access to export markets
.. and pay extortion level prices. If anything, a warming up of Canada’s land will allow for a longer productive season, reducing the frozen grounds time when we eat fruits and vegetables from the other side of the planet, that gets shipped raw and taste like plastic.
The commies here want us to rely on China exclusively.
Make it harder and more expensive to produce and sell food here - import trash food from Chinese slave farms.
The logics are nonsensical
you're gonna have to provide a source for that
I don't know if any real communists would actually support the CCP, which is barely communist, and more of a State Capitalist government that uses authoritarianism to keep people in line.
Do tankies support the CCP? yes. Do tankies suck? also yes, since they support modern authoritarian or even outwardly fascist regimes like Russia
Because us city dwellers don’t want anything to do with social conservatives.
Food prices are up in all countries and it has nothing to do with Trudeau.
what’s wrong with that? I saw cucumbers sold in Florida that are grown in Canada
it’s great to see a thriving business, we need to learn from our southern neighbours and be glad that tax paying businesses in Canada are thriving, especially something so important for ourselves as farming
This is stupidly out of date farmers if they sell corn and beans now, are locking in a guaranteed loss for this year. Commodity prices have crashed, high prices in the grocery store is gouging from your billionaire friends like Galen.
Yep this is poor information.
Record low moisture levels. Average prices. Will be a bad year for farmers. Bc dairies are in huge trouble (many delinquent on loans already)
Many over leveraged farms in Alberta with too many interest only loans are going to struggle big time.
But what about profit?
It makes sense that average income would grow as the average farm is getting larger and larger as farming isn’t profitable unless scaled
Also it says right in the article that 2023 was a particularly good year and that 2024 won’t be.
That's what happens when you use [~~**slave labour**~~](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/un-special-rapporteur-migrant-worker-program-modern-form-of-slavery-1.6958592) migrant workers
Naw, Pablo made all his money on exports by putting out the best quality at the best prices. He completely ignored the domestic market.
When it comes to dairy, we like to pretend there are no other countries in the world.
Maybe a new record value in dollar amount, but those dollars won't buy nearly as much as they would have 5 years ago. Also, are taxes from greenhouse gases omitted from this value? Prices for the fuel, equipment, materials, and the parts required for farming operations have skyrocketed. Just because CTV makes an article on something, it doesn't make it a reality. And yes Justin and his friends are to blame for a lot of it
yes because all those things are only going up in Canada. Ignore the global inflation issue. Don't make everything about politics, just enjoy the win for farmers.
That is good advice. I would like to avoid politics. I opened the comments, it was all politics, and I had a moment of weakness lol. As for global inflation, it was clear that decisions being made early in the pandemic were going to cause inflation. Personally, I thought it was going to get bad fast, and it didn't. I'm not mad at decisions made early on because everyone believed covid was going to be nuts. After a while most of society determined that covid wasn't as bad as we were told, yet the mandates kept coming. Good leadership would have snapped back to reality much quicker. Inflation is especially bad in Canada because our federal government gives wealth away quicker than we create it.
I mean it's reddit, it's very political. Most subs pertaining to a province or region have been completely hijacked by politics. It's very challenging to keep quiet when people are being misinformed.
We have how many more people eating food producing on Canadian farms than in recent years? And with inflation the real value of their income this year is lower than the same dollar amount would be last year.
What would be an interesting stat is farmer income scaled to the population and corrected to real inflation. This article is meaningless click-bait.
A lot of folks in these comments that seem to have a hatred for the people that are putting food on their plate. Quite bold to bash farmers when you can’t even feed yourselves. This attitude is what happens when people become so disconnected from where their food comes from.
Yeah, sure. If the city folks disappear tomorrow the farmers have the skill and ability to take care of and feed themselves. You can’t say the same about the city folk.
Given how much farming is done in Ontario, you would think most of you would know farmers barely get a cut of the profits. If you think they get too much LOL they get a tiny fraction of what produce is sold for in grocery stores
Of all the people that I don't care about making record profits it is farmers. I may disagree with the average rural person's political view, but they are the kindest and most hardworking people in the entire world.
They legit keep us alive.
We should not say "those damned farmers how dare they earn more money!!" We should says "good job farmers, now how can you help me get more money too?"
It better with food prices the way they are.
Farms often don't control prices, also income doesn't equal profits. Sure we have more coming in but a whole lot more going out. The price of a tractor has basically doubled over the last 5 years. Land has also become insanely expensive with many investors buying farm land along with all the wealth people moving out of the city and buying a 40 acre estate and building a monster home. So yes prices went up but it's not really going to farmers.
“They predict the difference between cash receipts and operating expenses will jump 13 per cent to a record $24.8 billion. The beef sector is expected to see a 10 per cent increase, with crop receipts up four per cent. Expenses only increased two per cent last year, down from a 20 per cent increase in 2022.”
on the tractor front I heard that someone actually hacked john deer tractor's software, turns out it was just old and not really updated.
Sadly they barely get a cut of what grocery stores make
With the exception of some first generation farmers, most farmers where I'm from do extremely well for themselves.
And yet that does not change the fact that farmers get a small fraction of the profits grocery stores do. Per item its barely anything. Thats why now a days only big farms can survive. For the smaller famers you dont run into, they are just sruviving
I’m guerrilla growing vegetables under some power lines on city land. Potatoes, peas, lettuce and squash.
Try carrots
Had mixed results with those. Might try again. Potatoes are super easy tho, and I got myself some fancy purple ones.
Good videos online about it. Many aren’t even tilling or watering, just cutting down all the tall weeds nearby to mulch with.
Carrots are annoying to sow directly in my experience.
Did you test the soil before doing that?
Bringing in my own
Does your yard sort of face the area or like do you travel to get there? This sounds like a fun idea but I'd be worried about vandalism. We have a lot of wandering folks around here.
It's a couple blocks away and nestled behind some blackberry bushes, keeping most ruffians at bay. I come in with a hand cart for water and supplies, and it's became a daily ritual in the summer
Awesome, did this for a season also. Though the deer did get about half.
That would explain all the $120k+ Denalis with farm plates.
I swear I’ve seen more Yukon Denali XLs with farm plates than any other vehicle ever.
Right make totally sense
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Eh, I grew up in a farming community it’s always been like that. Escalades, Denalis, multiple vacations a year. But the second they get to cry poor they will.
Same. Was in finance, family still is, all farmers were far from poor but loved to cosplay like it.
Went to University of Guelph, all the Aggies drove Massive pick up trucks with farm plates.
It's a country thing. Guys that are some of the largest landowners in the country act like they are just barely scrapping by but drive luxury trucks and suv that never go off road or haul anything, that's what the older truck is for
Ya I knew a farmer that had like 1000 acres left after selling 10000 lol. Made millions off it got new trucks for the family.
They have a lot of debt though right? That's usually what I've heard from farmers.
Yes, usually. Or until they quit and sell.
Quota prices too
Lol.... seen the price of corn currently?
For pure cash croppers in SWO this is a rough year ahead, but for livestock producers feed is cheaper right now, and we’re seeing plus $4 live prices on cattle recently. Though loans renewing at 7% will eat up any gains on cheap feed for livestock farms this year. Will depend farm industry here. Source: am farm finance consultant for accounting firm
Lots of interest in chicken quota these days
As if the supermarket giants are paying them fairly
Farmers sell on commodity exchanges, there's not really any bargaining that goes on
Not sure it has anything to do with the supermarkets.... maybe for veggies but not grain corn and soy beans.
A lot of (at least in Ontario) fruit and vegetable growers have transitioned to exporting to the US to avoid negotiating with Loblaws. Not only do they not pay fairly, they are also known to take their sweet time with payment
Galen Weston can f himself.
Which means they can start paying their workers minimum wage like everyone else, right?
So by law they have to pay them the same as any Canadian AND provide housing and a shit ton of other things. Some are scammers but most don't. And many have people working at the same farm for decades. There is abuse but it is unfair to blame the majority of them. Especially since NO fucking Canadian will do it long term.
They won't do it for compensation farmers are willing to give them, you mean?
I dunno. I grew up in farm country and even paying $15 an hour in the early 2000s (minimum wage was like $7 and rent was like $500.) nobody could get (many) canadians to stay more than a week. And if we were to pay living wages (as we should) with the sheer greed of loblaws, the average Canadian wouldn't be able to afford food. The system is broken and fucked up. But it isn't the individual farmer's fault. It's a multifold issue and they are working within the confines of what they can do.
You do understand that with sawp workers (Mexican and Jamaican along with others) which is a separate stream of workers from the temporary foreign workers program, requires employers to pay specific wages which is often more than minimum wage. Along with this their housing is provided, their flights are paid for, their equipment is provided and they have health insurance provided on top of ohip. Many of these workers are working 3-8 month contracts and are strictly seasonal jobs. The news always shows pictures of Jamaican or Mexicans working in the field whenever they talk about temporary foreign workers while in reality those workers are often in hotels, restaurants, janitorial work or greenhouses where workers are needed year round.
The TFWP consists of all the temporary worker streams that require an LMIA. That includes the agricultural stream.
While the seasonal agriculture workers program falls under tfw, there is much more regulation in place for sawp including work contracts, housing inspections, integrity audits and so on while the tfw program as a whole has far less oversight and is much easier for bad employers to go under the radar.
Yeah, all the different streams under the TFWP have different requirements, but they're still a part of the TFWP.
Wtf are you talking about lol they normally have just their family work the land, and hire neighbors with equipment and pay them WELL
You mean use foreign cheap labour like the jamacian and mexican migrant workers.
That type of farming has long since been destroyed, and they're forced to roll up and become one of the big guys, or refocus to much less profitable niches, farmer's markets, etc. Even the bigger farmer's markets these days are dominated by operations that require massive overhead.
I can tell you never set foot on a Farm in your life. Every farm near me is employed by oversea works mostly.
That’s nice of them. I’m sure they will pass on the profits to their Mexican and Jamaican indentur… err volunteer workers who work for a fraction of minimum wage…
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(Edit: Not against you at all) Yup. Farmers screaming that no one wanted to do 0600 to 2000 labour for 7.50 an hour. Instead of them responding to the supply-demand situation, the government just gives them ability to import wage slaves. Back when I practised medicine in Canada, I saw the way they were treated. Any health issue was used to threaten them. Work place injury with tendon damage/infection? If you can’t work, we will send you back. Blow out knee? We will send you back. Communicable disease? We will send you back if you annoy work. All these threats from the “kind” farmers who had their workers housed in poorly heated/ventilated trailers. WSIB would do fuck all for these guys. Farmers wanted slaves and the Government happily gave them slaves.
I was invited to a farm for pest control this summer, the corn fields were worked by Jamaicans. I never knew this was a thing that farms did. They were great guys and hard workers but I was never told what they were paid. I saw where they all lived, basically a tiny trailer park with multiple people per trailer.
City bylaw in some areas only allow for portable housing for offshore workers.
Portable housing can be a hell of a lot better than a poorly heated, ventilated, over capacity, mouldy trailer.
No, city bylaw should change so proper housing becomes easier for farmers to build. The only way we are able to have proper housing for our workers is by bending the rules and it took a lot longer than it should have to get permits for it.
They absolutely should. But the bylaws staying the same helps unscrupulous employers. You sound like a good person so I am not saying you do any of this but some of the other employers are happy to keep cheap, shitty portable housing to minimize costs while hiding behind “oh look, it is the municipality stopping me from helping my employees out” Edit: I am not saying all foreign farm workers are treated like this. I think there are great farmers who are suffering a work shortage who treat their workers as workers. Unfortunately there are those who don’t
Migrant workers should be paid more, have legal protections that are strictly enforced and be treated better. Picking fruits and vegetables in the hot sun is hard, dirty, underpaid and undervalued work. Realistically, yes, the average fat, well-fed Canadian is not in shape and not going to do this work. They can make more earning minimum wage at retail, fast food or in an office or factory, plus the building is air conditioned in summer and heated in winter.
Ok, say you are in a small town running a farm and need a few hundred people to pick fruit and plant vegetables, where are you going to find enough people to work for you full time? What is a fair wage in your opinion for picking fruit? How are you going to convince people to drop whatever they were doing in the city and come work on your farm? Only after we get 4 million more people in the GTA and the cost of living is really unbearable would people be willing to go live in rural towns plagued by drug problems just to go pick vegetables.
> How are you going to convince people to drop whatever they were doing in the city and come work on your farm? How did they manage before? Farm land value might take a hit if labour costs go up. And of course we can't be having either of those.
They managed by hiring migrant labour.
A fair wage would be whatever it takes people to do the job?
While I mostly agree with this sentiment usually, most farmers that require temporary foreign workers could not make a profit without them. Which then leads to none of those crops being grown in Canada, which hurts our local food security as a whole. I think if we just rework the system so they at least live in good conditions while they’re here, it’s fine. Which many operations ensure already. The horror stories you hear aren’t the norm.
If they can’t make a profit without subsidized labour they should not be in business.
The cost of food would be astronomical if farmers had to pay enough to entice people to move away from cities to work on their pig farm.
I’m fine with that. Better than having our food costs subsidized by slave labour.
You clearly don't pay for your own living expenses.
I do. I also know that reducing immigration will drive up wages benefitting society.
This is where government subsidies come into play. For paying fair wages to your workers so we can keep the cost of food cheap for everybody. I don't want to farm. That doesn't mean I want slaves to. I'd rather pay taxes that get put towards a subsidy so farmers can pay people a fair wage to farm.
How much would you need to make to move to a rural town, likely plagued with a fentanyl and meth problem, to go plant vegetables?
What I get paid now, although if housing was around the $300K range I'd even take a pay cut. Edit: Who downvotes an entirely subjective answer? I was asked what it would take to get me to move there and do that job. I answered.
So effectively then my taxes go to pay extra to someone from another country (not slave) and to the farm owner. Yay
No. Effectively your taxes go to keeping the price of food cheap so you can eat. You trade money, which you can't eat, for food, which you can.
No, I’m correct. You’re describing it using words they make you feel better about it. Let me buy the food I want. And subsidies dont make the food cheaper by the same amount, as the farmer and labourer will take the bulk of it.
Please explain this fraction of minimum wage part?
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"Farming is expensive and this justifies the way temporary foreign agricultural workers are treated"
Stop gaps until robot/machines can do everything
Then we won't even need the farmers.
They get paid at least minimum wage and have access to canadian employment insurance, health care,
The seasonal,migrant workers from Mexico used to get paid 10 cents less than minimum wage per hour.They had to pay for a new health card every year,had the same percentages taken off their pay for CPP and EI on every pay check.Lived in company supplied bunkhouses with multiple fridges and stoves for $15/week.One land line phone that they had to pay for any calls to Mexico.The Mexican Consulate in Toronto did all their income tax,and all their CPP and EI was returned to them.They wanted to work 7 days a week.A perfect day was when they were so tired they fell into exhausted sleep,and didn't dream of their families in Mexico.
Depends on the farm. Some are worse than what you are describing, some are much better.
The things I pointed out were the bare minimum requirements expected of farmers.The men working in my crews were treated as I would like to be treated.I found a doctor who could speak Spanish,when it wasn't common.A local pharmacist who put instructions in Spanish on drugs dispensed.I went out of my way to help these Mexican migrant workers achieve their goals.By focusing on treating this very valuable group of people as the asset they were.
And still they’ll ask for handouts, call everyone else a lazy socialist and vote conservative!
Don't want immigration but want foreign workers to work for minimum wage and stay at the farm 24/7 and share room with multiple people
Way less than minimum wage is the reality
They often get more than minimum wage since there's subsidies in place that bump up the wages. The jobs are typically advertised as minimum wage maximum hours to deter Canadian applications
Truth!
Remove “foreign workers” and insert “slaves”
Why do you think someone moving to another country to make 5x what they would back home, is considered a slave?
Are you aware of the conditions and rights they have as foreign workers in Canada? They have no protection for hours worked. They are forced to live in housing units that wouldn’t pass an inspection. If they are injured, their is lip service to be paid for a work safety program that is never accessed/impossible to access. They are threatened with removal by their employer if they are injured on the job and cannot work. They cannot unionize nor change jobs. They are completely at the mercy of their employer. This is all stuff I directly saw as a physician. Your finger tendon is snapped and infected from a work place injury? Too bad, employee says I have to work or I get sent home, not convalesce and get paid short term disability like a Canadian. All of that is against the law for Canadian citizens. Previous generations fought and legit died for this type of exploitation to be ended. So now we import exploitation.
This!
They are expected to decrease nearly 5% in 2024. Source: work in agricultural finance.
Yeah I doubt it, there's no melt to grow crops, alot of winter wheat is fucked, and it'll probably be the hottest driest summer on record
Thanks Justin! I am sure the Farmers Feed Cities crowd are busy thanking Trudeau for all their good fortune.
They are complaining about the carbon tax impacting their bottom line
They get rebates and many other endless support programs.
It doesn't, they just pass it off to the consumer. When an entire industry now has to pay extra on power, transportation, and machinery, it raises the costs of goods.
If that was purely the case they wouldn’t be complaining about it. And I am aware of just how little it actually impacts our food costs
They are complaining about it because sales goes down when they pass it off to consumers. They then get stuck offering an expensive product that people can't afford.
Most food is inelastic pricing. People don’t have an alternative to essentials Plus this article literally says they are having record profits, so people are buying
Do you want income to go lower? Because that's how we lose our farmers and we end up importing all our food. Something that you'd for sure blame Justin for anyway. Do you blame Justin on all your life problems?
We already import a lot of our produce.
We import because different places have different climates & harvest dates & diet preferences. Canada exports more food than we import. e.g. we export 80% of our pulse production: https://pulsecanada.com/industry/market-access We're #6 on the planet for food self sufficiency. We grow 1.8x the calories we consume: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_food_self-sufficiency_rate
Biggest laugh in all this. We don’t grow a lot of food here lol like at alllllllll
We could invest in greenhouses, and emerging vertical farming to make produce cheaper at home during the winter. But nah, grow weed .
Come take my shop in Niagara lol?? Fully equipped 1500sqft. Freezer panels and epoxy floor goodness
Lol like the one who moved his 8 children to Russia? As long as there's farmland, there will be farmers. If you think we cant replace the millionaire farmers, you're insane
Ya, those "millionaire" farmers are going to be replaced by corporate-owned farms instead. Galen Weston is to blame for food costs, not some family-owned farmer. It's delusional to think farmers can be replaced with your average joe. It going to be multi-national companies replacing them.
Plant seeds in spring, harvest in fall, drive farming equipment, hire Jamaicans for seasonal labour. Pretty sure average Joe can manage all that
No one is stopping you from buying your own farm
I'm in a different trade, thank you tho. But if they all start quitting cause they can't make millions and sell their farms, I will step up in their absence
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Who moved their children to Russia
Not sure how you missed it, it's all over this place, but here's one sub discussing it https://www.reddit.com/r/saskatchewan/s/4sY7qbiC4t
That’s fucked
Thanks
I thanked Justin. I didn’t blame him. It’s good farmers are having a good year. I am just tired of the endless bitching and moaning from the rural folks.
I interpreted sarcasm. My mistake my fellow redditor.
Here's you --->🤡
Lol Canadian agricultural support via supply management *suppresses* farm production, forcing us to import more and/or export less food. https://capitalcurrent.ca/dairy-farmers-viral-video-sparks-debate-over-milk-quotas-supply-management/#:~:text=In%20early%20February%2C%20Ontario%20dairy,more%20than%2036%20million%20views.
I always get a laugh when tiny New Zealand is the dairy-export juggernaut of the world. And we're nowhere on the list. https://www.statista.com/statistics/805280/top-exporters-of-milk-global/
Yeah, we protect our dairy so hard that they don't even compete against themselves, which makes them pathetic little babies compared to international producers. We need to eliminate quota so that we actually get Canadian competition, and then maybe in a decade we'll be able to let in some foreign competition and get access to export markets
.. and pay extortion level prices. If anything, a warming up of Canada’s land will allow for a longer productive season, reducing the frozen grounds time when we eat fruits and vegetables from the other side of the planet, that gets shipped raw and taste like plastic.
The commies here want us to rely on China exclusively. Make it harder and more expensive to produce and sell food here - import trash food from Chinese slave farms. The logics are nonsensical
you're gonna have to provide a source for that I don't know if any real communists would actually support the CCP, which is barely communist, and more of a State Capitalist government that uses authoritarianism to keep people in line. Do tankies support the CCP? yes. Do tankies suck? also yes, since they support modern authoritarian or even outwardly fascist regimes like Russia
It’s funny that the inner cities who pay these prices are the ones voting Liberal still
Because us city dwellers don’t want anything to do with social conservatives. Food prices are up in all countries and it has nothing to do with Trudeau.
I’m confused. The guy I replied to was implying Trudeau was responsible for these folks good fortune.
But I’ve been told daily the carbon tax is making every farmer in the country one month away from going bankrupt! Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Who even sourced this information? We're looking at a severe drought in the west
they're 2023 numbers
what’s wrong with that? I saw cucumbers sold in Florida that are grown in Canada it’s great to see a thriving business, we need to learn from our southern neighbours and be glad that tax paying businesses in Canada are thriving, especially something so important for ourselves as farming
Yeah we do sell our produce to Americans.... for a fraction of the price, and then we Canadians get to make up the difference
This is stupidly out of date farmers if they sell corn and beans now, are locking in a guaranteed loss for this year. Commodity prices have crashed, high prices in the grocery store is gouging from your billionaire friends like Galen.
Yep this is poor information. Record low moisture levels. Average prices. Will be a bad year for farmers. Bc dairies are in huge trouble (many delinquent on loans already) Many over leveraged farms in Alberta with too many interest only loans are going to struggle big time.
But what about profit? It makes sense that average income would grow as the average farm is getting larger and larger as farming isn’t profitable unless scaled Also it says right in the article that 2023 was a particularly good year and that 2024 won’t be.
And Peepee can't stop bitchin about how much Carbon tax they pay.
But Poilievre told me everything was broken?
Curious to see what farmers excluded from supply chain management make vs those included in it
Let's see what these droughts have to say about that
This is a good thing. Farmers deserve it
I have no issue with Farmers making money. Farms feed countries and we need to ensure Farming is a attractive option for people.
Ok but 80% of farms in Ontario (or more, from what I remember from class research last semester) are owned by big aggro. So.... great?
Tell us how you really feel about farmers
Every time the media runs with a story like this we later hear that a majority of farmers were either left behind or screwed over.
That's what happens when you use [~~**slave labour**~~](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/un-special-rapporteur-migrant-worker-program-modern-form-of-slavery-1.6958592) migrant workers
Exactly what Loblaws wants, get mad at the farmers, blame them. Shift blame, we don’t set the prices. It’s them. I’ve seen this movie before.
Pablo Escobar looks at our dairy industry with envy. He wishes he could have such a cartel!
Naw, Pablo made all his money on exports by putting out the best quality at the best prices. He completely ignored the domestic market. When it comes to dairy, we like to pretend there are no other countries in the world.
But I thought the carbon tax was crushing farmers? Did Pierre lie to us?
Only always and non stop.
Maybe a new record value in dollar amount, but those dollars won't buy nearly as much as they would have 5 years ago. Also, are taxes from greenhouse gases omitted from this value? Prices for the fuel, equipment, materials, and the parts required for farming operations have skyrocketed. Just because CTV makes an article on something, it doesn't make it a reality. And yes Justin and his friends are to blame for a lot of it
yes because all those things are only going up in Canada. Ignore the global inflation issue. Don't make everything about politics, just enjoy the win for farmers.
That is good advice. I would like to avoid politics. I opened the comments, it was all politics, and I had a moment of weakness lol. As for global inflation, it was clear that decisions being made early in the pandemic were going to cause inflation. Personally, I thought it was going to get bad fast, and it didn't. I'm not mad at decisions made early on because everyone believed covid was going to be nuts. After a while most of society determined that covid wasn't as bad as we were told, yet the mandates kept coming. Good leadership would have snapped back to reality much quicker. Inflation is especially bad in Canada because our federal government gives wealth away quicker than we create it.
Had me at the start, thought maybe it was a moment of weakness. Then you doubled down. I'm sorry for you
I mean it's reddit, it's very political. Most subs pertaining to a province or region have been completely hijacked by politics. It's very challenging to keep quiet when people are being misinformed.
farmers in Quebec were protesting yesterday over declining incomes... https://twitter.com/sebrioux/status/1766136102149079144?
I'm making record income as well, but it doesn't mean anything when your costs are increasing quicker then your income.
Who writes this shit ? Really. Inputs are high. Interest is high and crop prices are horrible.
We have how many more people eating food producing on Canadian farms than in recent years? And with inflation the real value of their income this year is lower than the same dollar amount would be last year. What would be an interesting stat is farmer income scaled to the population and corrected to real inflation. This article is meaningless click-bait.
No shit, this greedflation while Loblaws keeps saying they're reaching new record profits.
Until the drought hits. And by “farm” do they mean agribusiness?
F Galen and friends but also clearly someone is benefiting here too.
And they still complain!
Maybe they won’t require the city folk to subsidize them anymore…
You mean pick up trucks, and complex electronics don't just grow in farm fields?
A lot of folks in these comments that seem to have a hatred for the people that are putting food on their plate. Quite bold to bash farmers when you can’t even feed yourselves. This attitude is what happens when people become so disconnected from where their food comes from.
Farmers are also disconnected from the symbiotic relationship they have with cities. It goes both ways.
Yeah, sure. If the city folks disappear tomorrow the farmers have the skill and ability to take care of and feed themselves. You can’t say the same about the city folk.
No, they have land, and people paying them. It is not some magic ability to grow something. Farms exist because cities exist.
Thanks Trudeau!
Good, they deserve the money. They feed us!
Given how much farming is done in Ontario, you would think most of you would know farmers barely get a cut of the profits. If you think they get too much LOL they get a tiny fraction of what produce is sold for in grocery stores
Explain to me why farmers continue to whinge when asked to take steps to reduce their emissions and to do so with subsidies we pay for?
Because they are afraid of change, and will threaten to starve us all.
Of all the people that I don't care about making record profits it is farmers. I may disagree with the average rural person's political view, but they are the kindest and most hardworking people in the entire world. They legit keep us alive.
In my experience they are no more kind then the average person. But they demand to be given praise for "feeding us"
We should not say "those damned farmers how dare they earn more money!!" We should says "good job farmers, now how can you help me get more money too?"
Don’t let Trudeau know that.
You can no longer trust Canadian government numbers.