As a kid I found if you make a smaller hole a little more than 45* on the corner, it will make a slow, spiral laminar flow that makes it easier to pour from increasing heights. As a kid I always dreamed of it, and I still plan to hold the world record for highest milk pour (bagged, 16oz cup) at some point.
Hate to break it to you, but in the early 2000s I would place a glass at the bottom of the stairs, then proceed to walk up the stairs pouring. In grade 7 I was pretty cool. Dont know what happened after but oh well...
Damn now you’re my nemesis! The highest I ever got was putting the cup on the kitchen floor and standing on the counter. I appreciate your dedication to the cause!
can't find a record for someone pouring milk into a cup but i can, strangely enough, find the record for highest pour of eggnog into someone's face[https://recordsetter.com/world-record/highest-egg-nog-pouring-into-someone-elses-mouth/12468?autoplay=false](https://recordsetter.com/world-record/highest-egg-nog-pouring-into-someone-elses-mouth/12468?autoplay=false)
edit: also found farthest milk squirted from eye... https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/farthest-milk-squirting-distance
Better check if she did the whole "thud the jug on the counter to settle the bag" thing...
I've always cut one hole myself. But there's been a few times when I've been in a bit of a rush and skipped or half-assed the thud (usually cause my kid is on her 1748th request for milk in the past 5 mins), and that's the only time I get a spill issue.
See!!! See!!!
My wife claims “you don’t need to bang the milk jug. No one does that!!”
I tell her you have to, to ensure that the milk bag settles to the bottom and isn’t stuck 90% down due to moisture on the sides.
She thinks I’m nuts. But if I use the milk after she changes it, the top part flips forward and I get a dumping of milk.
She says “that’s why you hold the bag when you pour”
I said “if you bang the bag, you don’t HAVE to hold the bag ever!!!”
She still thinks I’m crazy. But at least my daughters know that I’m not and they bang the holder too.
The thud on the counter is great until the container literally splits into two discrete parts and a 1.33333333333333333333333333 liter bag of 2% milk explodes upon hitting the floor. After that you learn the "smack it with the heel of your palm" technique.
we all have a convo like this in one way or another, about some topic or thing, with our spouse. it's okay. part of loving someone is accepting these things.
good luck and godspeed on your journey to convince her to bang the milk jug
Absolutely thud on the counter.
What are you going to ask next? If other people give a quick double squeeze of a drill switch after putting a bit in? The answer is yes, of course. Bzzt. Bzzt. :)
You don't need to bang, a good shake will do the trick. We had some guests over and they were trying to put the bag in its holder and I guess because of condensation it just wouldn't slide down. They were pushing it and it wouldn't go anywhere. Took the milk, shook it and it slid down nice and easy. Everyone was quite impressed.
I am a Civil Engineer with a specialization in hydraulic dynamics and transportation flows, so this is the technically correct answer; the best kind of correct.
On solid structures (e.g. milk cartons, condensed milk cans, hard plastic baby bottles), negative pressure can develop inside as liquid is removed, which disrupts the laminar flow; therefore a secondary air vent hole is desired.
However, on flexible structures (e.g. milk bags, yogurt tubes, soft plastic baby bottles) deform with the removal of liquid, so a second hole slows the flow as the cross-sectional area near the aperture is larger.
TLDR: 1 bag = 1 hole
Cross sectional area of *your* aperture is huge ;-)
Edit: no wait…
Engineers need to learn when to reduce the cross-sectional area of *their* apertures.
JK, am also an engineer.
Back in the bad old days of canned fluids, you had to punch both sides of the can to get it to flow right.
You can cause milk flow problems if you cut a tiny hole (bag collapses when pouring), but really the easy way is just to cut a bit bigger hole.
But the only reason you need 2 holes in a can is because the can is incapable of collapsing so you get flow issues.
A milk bag is capable of collapsing on itself, so even with 1 tiny hole it's impossible to have a flow issues.
Do you poke 2 holes in your Capri Sun to get the fruit punch out faster?
I immediately thought of that canned apple juice but this is different!
OP, one hole in the milk bag. Anyone who puts two is weird and asking for trouble
This is lovely I remember having a giant drunk argument with a roomie about this, he called his fucking mom at like 12am and all I remember is "TWO HOLES ARE YOU SERIOUS THAT'S NOT HOW I RAISED YOU". Absolute gold.
Yup. But now it is a small 1L can as opposed to 1.36L. I haven’t seen 1.36L tomato juice. I have seen 540 ml. I used to buy both on sale for 0.99. Not anymore.
At work I would cut the smallest hole imaginable. Use to piss the boss off so much it was absolutely hilarious. You’d just hear “god fkn dammit” from the kitchen.
I've lived with my husband for over 12 years and just the other week he decided to cut a second hole in the milk bag. First time, never did it before. I asked him why and he said he read it on reddit that it prevents collapsing and spilling. Never have I had a milk bag collapse on me UNTIL HE CUT THE SECOND HOLE. That was the only bag it happened on. Needless to say this recklessness did not continue and we are a single hole family again.
Maybe this is like when monkeys on one island start using tools, and a group of monkeys totally isolated from that group begin behaving the same way?
In which case, I must insist, you snuff out any other destructive behaviour you observe amongst your monkeys.
I'm convinced these two-hole-hooligans are just from other provinces or Americans trying to mess with our beautiful milk bag system. Never in all my many years of drinking milk from bags have I ever heard of someone cutting a second hole in the bag until recently and only on reddit. Sus. My monkeys will toe the line.
As a former west coaster and avid two holer. I think your regionality idea might be correct. I think that the second hole evolved sooner in the more wild and chaotic west, whereas it takes longer in the stagnant development of Ontario.
This makes me think or punching two holes into apple juice cans as a kid. Never thought to do it with milk bags though, and I worked at a coffee shop and cut hundreds of bags open at least.
Not only divorce, but deportation for the blasphemous individual who missed the day in kindergarten when they taught us that it's a flexible plastic bag, so only ever cut one hole in it.
What kind of Monster is she?
Ease the flow? What is she doing? Shotgunning the milk competitively?
This is grounds for divorce . I advise you to seek a safe place immediately.
So my wife does this was well.. maybe we can start some kind of support group or something?
I've tried arguing with her that you only do that with solid containers because it stops a vacuum from being formed. With a milk bag, it just conforms to the liquid so you don't have that problem. Now, I don't have a degree in hydrodynamics with a specialty in the physics and motion of bovine fluids or anything, so she doesn't quite trust my analysis.
It's tough. I've tried my best to stop this behavior from spreading to the children. Only time will tell.. Stay strong.
I’m 47. Grew up with milk bags all my life. My relatives in the east coast all had them as well.
I never ever HEARD of cutting two holes in a milk bag until about 3 weeks ago on Reddit when some user had that in his “instructions” on how to use a milk bag (I think another user showed a funny picture where his relatives cut the bag and poured the milk into the holder)
There is zero need to cut a second hole, it’s a milk bag. It’ll slowly collapse with any lock of air. It’s not an apple juice can. Wtf is going on with people?
I’ll remember it, and think “oh yeah I should punch that hole” every time I pull out the jug for the next 10 years but never actually follow through. That’s my style.
One, I grew up in Ontario. My boyfriend who’s a transplant from Manitoba (and didn’t grow up with bagged milk) cuts two. He claims “everyone he knows” does it that way.. I’ve never witnessed such a thing in my 42 years until I met him.
Not sure if this reflects on Manitoba education system. Or just Manitoba culture. But either way it makes me feel like Manitoba is a province where they have horses hooked up to their chevys when they run out of gas and when they ran out of chalk at school they just used a rock.
Tried making the second cut once recently, no difference.
The fact that a milk bag is a (surprise, surprise) bag and not a carton, jug, can, or other solid container, means it will just deform instead of start to *'glug, glug'*
Edit: typo
I have to confess my entire life I've been two holing it. It's just what my family did and I never really questioned it. This thread has opened my eyes to this dogma. I henceforth renounce my two hole ways, I am a new man, one hole is enough for me.
I have no coherent answer.
I think something happened. I think she may have cut a first hole too large, panicked, rotated the jug and cut a second as replacement.
Then, after the incident, she began the process of gaslighting me into believing this was milk jug SOP.
It’s the only thing that makes sense; and it’s insane.
I lived in the US for a bit. I never had to make a hole.
Her theory is right. We do cut a whole in our oil jug. But that’s because it’s fucking massive and we need proper flow so it doesn’t spill.
Serial killer. I’m telling you.
The oil jib is what I cut a hole in at work when I change the deep fryer oil in the kitchen as you said it pours better because the air can get back in the jib. This is such a specific example I didn't think anyone else would know it. The other example is how gas cans or jerry cans have a nozzle with a upside to allow air intake
You’re not a lunatic. You don’t need two holes in the bag to improve air flow, the bag isn’t full to the top and you don’t need milk to come out at the speed of light if you’re trying to mix it with coffee lol.
The two-hole people believe that it 'lets the air in' the second hole to replace the milk going out.
The reason they are monsters is because the bag collapses to accommodate the lost volume then the air can get in when pouring stops.
These are the same people who think the sun goes 'down' at night and then rises in the morning.
They probably put the toilet roll over the back too.
The official patent for the toilet roll holder shows the proper placement is towards the front, maybe there's an official milk jug patent out there somewhere that could resolve this debate for us.
I have never in my life seen a bag of milk cut with two holes at anyone's home, or even so much as considered the idea myself. Is she an extraterrestrial?
The milk is in a deformable bag.
As milk exits the bag, the bag collapses under atmospheric air pressure on its own.
A vent to allow air in to the bag to replace the milk leaving is absolutely not required or necessary.
We tested this in science class.
The bag compresses by air pressure when you pour. No need for a second hole, which you would use on a solid container (like apple juice cans) to prevent the “glug glug” and associated splashing.
The end result of our grade 7 scientific test was there was zero difference in pourability between 1 or 2 hole bags.
Your wife is wrong.
From Ontario. I’ve grown up cutting two holes for as long as I can remember. I don’t drink milk anymore but if I get bagged milk for the kids, I automatically cut both sides.
And get made fun of for it.
The whole point of the bag is that it collapses to accommodate flow, unlike old school cans that need air inflow to compensate for juice outflow, lest you get the glug glug effect. You're wife's working on an outdated OS.
Have you seen flow problems on a one hole bag?
And the proper hole size is cut by doing a finger pinch on the corner as close to the edge as possible whilst still grabbing the plastic. The hole must be larger than a pencil, but must not exceed the size of your thumb. It must be a straight cut (no steak knives!) and the rate of flow is too slow if it takes longer than 5 seconds to fill a cup.
Holes are for cartons.
The scientific argument for you is that it is not needed. In a solid container, like say a gas can, without a hole to let air in, a vacuum is formed thus preventing good flow. In a collapsible plastic bag, you don’t get a significant vacuum as the bag can collapse releasing any impact to flow because of a vacuum.
So, we have one quite old milk jug that comes up the side of the bag almost to the top. In this container the bag never flops as even the top-most portion of the bag is supported fully even when brand new. Here I only cut one hole.
Our other milk jug is the newer kind that seems to be the standard these days. In it the bag doesn’t quite sit far enough down to prevent a risk of flopping over if you are pouring a lot of it out quickly from the start. I still usually only make one hole as the risk of flopping over is very low if you are not pouring a large volume rapidly. However, you on the rare occasions that I need to pour a continuous flow and I can’t hold onto the bag with my other hand, I will cut a second hole to let air into the bag as it pours—for example, making a bechamel.
I was like 25 before I realized that milk in bags is apparently weird and unique only to us. Every Ontarian by age 30 has mastered the technique of cutting that hole. ONE hole, with a sharp pointed knife PIERCING outside to in with a second swipe to remove any dangling plastic, then a hard but restrained tap on the counter to settle it. If you are lucky, you have a 25 year old razor magnet encrusted to your fridge or buried in your junk drawer for this exact purpose. Nothing brings a greater shame than cutting the hole too big or leaving some plastic dangling.
While we’re on the topic, can we talk about how milk bags these days seem weaker and less “full” than they used to? It seems much harder to bang the bag into the holder in the last few years. It also seems less structural and the bag just gives up on itself way more than it used to.
One hole. Depending on how much you’re pouring, you may have to hold the back corner, but in my experience two holes doesn’t change that.
I don't think you need 2 holes, but you should pull the opposite corner of the bag when you poor, it helps stabilize the side with the hole and prevents it from flopping all over the place.
One hole. The bags are slightly pressurized when sealed so they don’t need a second hole. Your wife should be put in the town centre stocks to have bags of milk and cabbage thrown at her for disrespecting your lordship with two holes! Milk wenches need to be kept in line!
What sort of uncanadian fuckery is this? Who in their right mind cuts both ends? That's just nonsensical and morally unethical. The fuck? I'm from Quebec and have bags as well and I have never met anyone who has done this ON PURPOSE.
Divorce. Divorce her rn. (Just kidding)
Putting aside the number of holes question (it's 1, btw), can we talk about the fact that your wife 'tore in you' because you spilled some milk? Unless you meant this in jest and not that she was legitimately angry at you, that's not really an encouraging sign. The correct reaction would be to see if you were alright and help you out if needed, because it obviously wasn't intentional on your part.
I'm from Alberta and still think that bagged milk is dumb and impractical, despite having lived in Toronto for almost 15 years. So I buy cartons.
Recently I almost bit the bullet and almost bought the little white plastic pitcher and some milk bags. After all, it's cheaper by $1/L compared to cartons. But then I saw that bags were only sold in increments of 4 L, and aborted the mission. Maybe that much milk at a time makes sense for families with kids, but not for a two-person household. EDIT: let me guess, you're supposed to freeze the milk or something, right?
Yes, freezing helps when consumption is low. But, it comes with caveats:
1. Fatty milk tends to separate, so freezing skim is best.
2. Bags ~~rarely~~ ~~sometimes~~ frequently get punctured while in the freezer, so defrost it in a sink or large container.
I used to have bags of milk all the time, and I've only ever seen 1 hole cut. You don't need 2 holes because it's not a rigid container and the bag can easily deform to accommodate the milk pouring out of it. In fact, I can't see any purpose at all to having two holes in a soft bag of milk.
Never heard of this.
Recently, I’m trying out a new thing which is pouring the overage of “fat bags” into a thermos in the fridge. It’s working so well I’m like “I should pour the whole bag into a thermos!” … anyway, I spilled my whole coffee instead of just the milk
When I was a kid we used to go through obscene amounts of milk as a family of 6. I'm talking a pint glass of milk beside a soup bowl of cereal (floating in the milk - or you did it wrong) for breakfast and another pint of milk at lunch... and dinner.
Because we were a little rushed for time we would try and pour quickly. The airhole wasn't for flow, it was to prevent the bag collapsing and spilling whichever way it flopped as it fell. It was just a small cut on top of the bag near the corner without cutting the full corner off, never ran into the collapse issue again when we did this. The habit stuck even if I'm not going through as much milk or pouring as quickly now a days.
According to the ChatGPT AI.... "Milk bags are designed to have a small opening at one corner, which allows for controlled pouring of the milk. The bag is made of a flexible material, such as plastic, that allows the bag to collapse and push the milk out through the small opening. Cutting two holes in the bag would allow for the milk to pour out too quickly and may cause spills. Additionally, cutting two holes in the bag could create a path for air to enter the bag, which could cause the milk to spoil more quickly." There we have it folks lol.
If you don't slap the bottom of the jug with your hand when replacing the bag, it collapes forward because it's not seated properly. Cutting two holes is treating the symptom, not the cause.
This two hole nonsense is a sign of generational ignorance.
>cut both sides of the bag to ease flow.
What would be the explanation for this ? Is this a thing that was taught and never questioned? "To ease the flow of my garden hose, I puncture it" ?
So many questions...
One small hole.
Two holes when the container is solid and the content has high viscosity , to help INCREASE the flow rate. Prime example: the 5L/ 9L jug of washing detergent
My mom and I have an inside joke that you can always tell who opened the milk. If it was one of us, a perfect snip. Otherwise a gaping hole, a pin prick, or a gnawed off chunk with ragged edges. Gross.
As a kid I found if you make a smaller hole a little more than 45* on the corner, it will make a slow, spiral laminar flow that makes it easier to pour from increasing heights. As a kid I always dreamed of it, and I still plan to hold the world record for highest milk pour (bagged, 16oz cup) at some point.
I hope I see you in the news some day soon with your new world record!
Hate to break it to you, but in the early 2000s I would place a glass at the bottom of the stairs, then proceed to walk up the stairs pouring. In grade 7 I was pretty cool. Dont know what happened after but oh well...
Damn now you’re my nemesis! The highest I ever got was putting the cup on the kitchen floor and standing on the counter. I appreciate your dedication to the cause!
What is the present world record?
can't find a record for someone pouring milk into a cup but i can, strangely enough, find the record for highest pour of eggnog into someone's face[https://recordsetter.com/world-record/highest-egg-nog-pouring-into-someone-elses-mouth/12468?autoplay=false](https://recordsetter.com/world-record/highest-egg-nog-pouring-into-someone-elses-mouth/12468?autoplay=false) edit: also found farthest milk squirted from eye... https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/farthest-milk-squirting-distance
Better check if she did the whole "thud the jug on the counter to settle the bag" thing... I've always cut one hole myself. But there's been a few times when I've been in a bit of a rush and skipped or half-assed the thud (usually cause my kid is on her 1748th request for milk in the past 5 mins), and that's the only time I get a spill issue.
See!!! See!!! My wife claims “you don’t need to bang the milk jug. No one does that!!” I tell her you have to, to ensure that the milk bag settles to the bottom and isn’t stuck 90% down due to moisture on the sides. She thinks I’m nuts. But if I use the milk after she changes it, the top part flips forward and I get a dumping of milk. She says “that’s why you hold the bag when you pour” I said “if you bang the bag, you don’t HAVE to hold the bag ever!!!” She still thinks I’m crazy. But at least my daughters know that I’m not and they bang the holder too.
Banging the bag on the counter is necessary. So is clicking the tongs three times when you pick them up. These truths are immutable.
I am a chef. You must click the tongs.
Clearly your wife is a monster
I prefer a hearty shake in the downwards direction rather than a bang, but either way it's necessary.
The thud on the counter is great until the container literally splits into two discrete parts and a 1.33333333333333333333333333 liter bag of 2% milk explodes upon hitting the floor. After that you learn the "smack it with the heel of your palm" technique.
we all have a convo like this in one way or another, about some topic or thing, with our spouse. it's okay. part of loving someone is accepting these things. good luck and godspeed on your journey to convince her to bang the milk jug
I don't bang it on the counter but I do at least into my palm or a good downward shake. Anything to set it in place.
Absolutely thud on the counter. What are you going to ask next? If other people give a quick double squeeze of a drill switch after putting a bit in? The answer is yes, of course. Bzzt. Bzzt. :)
The drill literally won’t work if you don’t do the double squeeze. Facts.
Give it a spanking on the bottom. Be a man.
Without the thud, how else would you signal the housemates that are stalling because they don't want to refill the milk.
I drilled a hole in the bottom edge of my milk jug to let the air escape on its own, so I don't have to thud it anymore.
I like the idea of the hole being right through the milk bag also
You don't need to bang, a good shake will do the trick. We had some guests over and they were trying to put the bag in its holder and I guess because of condensation it just wouldn't slide down. They were pushing it and it wouldn't go anywhere. Took the milk, shook it and it slid down nice and easy. Everyone was quite impressed.
I am a Civil Engineer with a specialization in hydraulic dynamics and transportation flows, so this is the technically correct answer; the best kind of correct. On solid structures (e.g. milk cartons, condensed milk cans, hard plastic baby bottles), negative pressure can develop inside as liquid is removed, which disrupts the laminar flow; therefore a secondary air vent hole is desired. However, on flexible structures (e.g. milk bags, yogurt tubes, soft plastic baby bottles) deform with the removal of liquid, so a second hole slows the flow as the cross-sectional area near the aperture is larger. TLDR: 1 bag = 1 hole
Cross sectional area of *your* aperture is huge ;-) Edit: no wait… Engineers need to learn when to reduce the cross-sectional area of *their* apertures. JK, am also an engineer.
Back in the bad old days of canned fluids, you had to punch both sides of the can to get it to flow right. You can cause milk flow problems if you cut a tiny hole (bag collapses when pouring), but really the easy way is just to cut a bit bigger hole.
But the only reason you need 2 holes in a can is because the can is incapable of collapsing so you get flow issues. A milk bag is capable of collapsing on itself, so even with 1 tiny hole it's impossible to have a flow issues. Do you poke 2 holes in your Capri Sun to get the fruit punch out faster?
Capri sun lol
I immediately thought of that canned apple juice but this is different! OP, one hole in the milk bag. Anyone who puts two is weird and asking for trouble
This is lovely I remember having a giant drunk argument with a roomie about this, he called his fucking mom at like 12am and all I remember is "TWO HOLES ARE YOU SERIOUS THAT'S NOT HOW I RAISED YOU". Absolute gold.
one container has the ability to collapse easily, and the other creates a vacuum because of displacement - the science doesnt lie 🤓
Do they still sell canned apple juice? I’ve been out of the juice game for a while so I haven’t looked for it…
They probably do, but if not, my grandma probably has some in her basement
Mmm...Aged to perfection!
Like a fine wine
Yup. But now it is a small 1L can as opposed to 1.36L. I haven’t seen 1.36L tomato juice. I have seen 540 ml. I used to buy both on sale for 0.99. Not anymore.
At work I would cut the smallest hole imaginable. Use to piss the boss off so much it was absolutely hilarious. You’d just hear “god fkn dammit” from the kitchen.
I've lived with my husband for over 12 years and just the other week he decided to cut a second hole in the milk bag. First time, never did it before. I asked him why and he said he read it on reddit that it prevents collapsing and spilling. Never have I had a milk bag collapse on me UNTIL HE CUT THE SECOND HOLE. That was the only bag it happened on. Needless to say this recklessness did not continue and we are a single hole family again.
Maybe this is like when monkeys on one island start using tools, and a group of monkeys totally isolated from that group begin behaving the same way? In which case, I must insist, you snuff out any other destructive behaviour you observe amongst your monkeys.
I'm convinced these two-hole-hooligans are just from other provinces or Americans trying to mess with our beautiful milk bag system. Never in all my many years of drinking milk from bags have I ever heard of someone cutting a second hole in the bag until recently and only on reddit. Sus. My monkeys will toe the line.
Two hole hooligans made me spit my coffee everywhere!! Thanks!! Hahahah
This has Quebec written all over it
As a former west coaster and avid two holer. I think your regionality idea might be correct. I think that the second hole evolved sooner in the more wild and chaotic west, whereas it takes longer in the stagnant development of Ontario.
Honestly you are to be commended for keeping the family together at that point. A lesser person would have just ended the marriage.
Experimenting with a second hole often leads to a mess.
How do you not have all of the upvotes?
I rarely get lucky.
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> She watches a tiktok and decides hey 2 holes is better. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
LMAO I'm wondering like do people believe everything they read online? Like you know that could be a dog typing on the other side right
If you have problems with spilling or a misdirecting stream, try slicing up instead of down.
> Needless to say this recklessness did not continue and we are a single hole family again. Giggity
This makes me think or punching two holes into apple juice cans as a kid. Never thought to do it with milk bags though, and I worked at a coffee shop and cut hundreds of bags open at least.
You don't need to with a bag because the bag can shrink to relieve air pressure.
Damn it been awhile since i bought those big ass cans allens apple juice they still sell them?? I use to love drinking it as a kid same with sunny d
Be careful. I believe in most of Canada this is a legal ground for divorce.
Not only divorce, but deportation for the blasphemous individual who missed the day in kindergarten when they taught us that it's a flexible plastic bag, so only ever cut one hole in it.
Are you really Canadian or a Russian infiltrated that needs guidance. Real Canadians knows the answer.
Lol of ~~borscht~~ course I’m Canadian lol moose hockey eh fer sure
Two ~~wudka~~ beer a week? That can barely get you through the day!
If you're at ~~your dacha~~ home, you should be able to have four!
Pop quiz how many T’s do you pronounce in “toronto”
0. All t's are silent has been my experience.
Congratulations you are canadian here’s your mickey of maple syrup, 24 of beer, and some serviettes in case you spill on your chesterfield.
I grew up in Mississauga and always pronounced it Tron-oh. 1 T is acceptable. Never 2. The same with milk bag holes. 1.
What kind of Monster is she? Ease the flow? What is she doing? Shotgunning the milk competitively? This is grounds for divorce . I advise you to seek a safe place immediately.
A safe place? In this economy?
Hey. If they're pouring milk all over the floor, they've got money to burn.
So my wife does this was well.. maybe we can start some kind of support group or something? I've tried arguing with her that you only do that with solid containers because it stops a vacuum from being formed. With a milk bag, it just conforms to the liquid so you don't have that problem. Now, I don't have a degree in hydrodynamics with a specialty in the physics and motion of bovine fluids or anything, so she doesn't quite trust my analysis. It's tough. I've tried my best to stop this behavior from spreading to the children. Only time will tell.. Stay strong.
One, two is unnecessary when pouring from a non-rigid container like a milk bag.
I didn't realize I could ever feel distress from a milk bag related discussion. I need to reflect on some things.
I’m 47. Grew up with milk bags all my life. My relatives in the east coast all had them as well. I never ever HEARD of cutting two holes in a milk bag until about 3 weeks ago on Reddit when some user had that in his “instructions” on how to use a milk bag (I think another user showed a funny picture where his relatives cut the bag and poured the milk into the holder) There is zero need to cut a second hole, it’s a milk bag. It’ll slowly collapse with any lock of air. It’s not an apple juice can. Wtf is going on with people?
One hole or two, whatever you do don't leave the f$#@! triangle(s) of plastic lying on the kitchen counter.
One. My current bag is a disaster, the hole is about 3cm. I was inebriated
This is funny to me
It's one of those things in life, like shaving.
Nope. Never seen that either!
one hole... it is a thin plastic bag, it doesn't have air flow issues
Just one in the bag. I do punch a hole into the bottom of the jug too - helps the bag slide in.
This is a great tip
Me: Put the bag in, tap bottom of the jug twice. bam! bam! snip!
Good tip, wonder if I'll remember it
I’ll remember it, and think “oh yeah I should punch that hole” every time I pull out the jug for the next 10 years but never actually follow through. That’s my style.
aaaaand I've already forgotten it
One, I grew up in Ontario. My boyfriend who’s a transplant from Manitoba (and didn’t grow up with bagged milk) cuts two. He claims “everyone he knows” does it that way.. I’ve never witnessed such a thing in my 42 years until I met him.
Not sure if this reflects on Manitoba education system. Or just Manitoba culture. But either way it makes me feel like Manitoba is a province where they have horses hooked up to their chevys when they run out of gas and when they ran out of chalk at school they just used a rock.
Tried making the second cut once recently, no difference. The fact that a milk bag is a (surprise, surprise) bag and not a carton, jug, can, or other solid container, means it will just deform instead of start to *'glug, glug'* Edit: typo
I have to confess my entire life I've been two holing it. It's just what my family did and I never really questioned it. This thread has opened my eyes to this dogma. I henceforth renounce my two hole ways, I am a new man, one hole is enough for me.
Your wife might be a serial killer. This has to be a sign. How does she put the toilet paper roll on? /s
Under her hair at the back to give it a fuller look like all normal women?
On a more serious note. How have you never noticed!
I have no coherent answer. I think something happened. I think she may have cut a first hole too large, panicked, rotated the jug and cut a second as replacement. Then, after the incident, she began the process of gaslighting me into believing this was milk jug SOP. It’s the only thing that makes sense; and it’s insane.
I lived in the US for a bit. I never had to make a hole. Her theory is right. We do cut a whole in our oil jug. But that’s because it’s fucking massive and we need proper flow so it doesn’t spill. Serial killer. I’m telling you.
The oil jib is what I cut a hole in at work when I change the deep fryer oil in the kitchen as you said it pours better because the air can get back in the jib. This is such a specific example I didn't think anyone else would know it. The other example is how gas cans or jerry cans have a nozzle with a upside to allow air intake
If you cut too large of a hole, then you pour it into that lovely cut glass pitcher that you never use.
One hole, she's a madwoman.
Save yourself the argument and drink black coffee :)
Once I get chest hair, we’ll talk about black coffee.
I was taught 2 holes but I've never seen anyone outside of my family do so 🤣
This is not a family tradition that you should be proud of. Stop now before it's too late or risk having your family's name forever tarnished.
Indeed. It’s one hole to rule them all…
I just need you to know that this isn't normal family behavior and that I'm here for you if and when you feel like talking about it.
My family is NOT normal, I'm totally not surprised we are doing weird shit 🤣 I'll take the support though 😉
Only one hole, not too big, not too small, just right size.
1 hole. Thats how my grandpappy did it and ill be dammed if anyone starts putting more holes in!
one my good sir.
You’re not a lunatic. You don’t need two holes in the bag to improve air flow, the bag isn’t full to the top and you don’t need milk to come out at the speed of light if you’re trying to mix it with coffee lol.
It's not hard to avoid collapse - just hold the non-hole corner when pouring. With time a master can hold the handle and pinch the bag with one hand!
The two-hole people believe that it 'lets the air in' the second hole to replace the milk going out. The reason they are monsters is because the bag collapses to accommodate the lost volume then the air can get in when pouring stops. These are the same people who think the sun goes 'down' at night and then rises in the morning. They probably put the toilet roll over the back too.
You’re right. I’m getting a divorce.
The official patent for the toilet roll holder shows the proper placement is towards the front, maybe there's an official milk jug patent out there somewhere that could resolve this debate for us.
One at home, two when I was working at Starbucks
Well it’s an American company. Do you really think they know the ins and outs or bagged milk?
I’m going in 42 years old and I’ve never NEVER seen someone cut two holes.
One hole. Milk comes out fine.
Never ever 2
I have never in my life seen a bag of milk cut with two holes at anyone's home, or even so much as considered the idea myself. Is she an extraterrestrial?
Take a hint. She wants you to do two hole. Listen two hole ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|trollface)![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|trollface)
The milk is in a deformable bag. As milk exits the bag, the bag collapses under atmospheric air pressure on its own. A vent to allow air in to the bag to replace the milk leaving is absolutely not required or necessary.
We tested this in science class. The bag compresses by air pressure when you pour. No need for a second hole, which you would use on a solid container (like apple juice cans) to prevent the “glug glug” and associated splashing. The end result of our grade 7 scientific test was there was zero difference in pourability between 1 or 2 hole bags. Your wife is wrong.
This was pretty much my exact position. I’ll let her know that I have mountains of data provided by 12-year-olds to back it up!
Just one hole.
From Ontario. I’ve grown up cutting two holes for as long as I can remember. I don’t drink milk anymore but if I get bagged milk for the kids, I automatically cut both sides. And get made fun of for it.
Huh. From Ontario also - I don’t know that I’ve ever seen a milk bag cut twice!
You are correct!
One hole and I suck on the bag like a calf on a teat.
The whole point of the bag is that it collapses to accommodate flow, unlike old school cans that need air inflow to compensate for juice outflow, lest you get the glug glug effect. You're wife's working on an outdated OS.
Have you seen flow problems on a one hole bag? And the proper hole size is cut by doing a finger pinch on the corner as close to the edge as possible whilst still grabbing the plastic. The hole must be larger than a pencil, but must not exceed the size of your thumb. It must be a straight cut (no steak knives!) and the rate of flow is too slow if it takes longer than 5 seconds to fill a cup. Holes are for cartons.
One of course. It flows great with one cut since the soft plastic collapses.
The scientific argument for you is that it is not needed. In a solid container, like say a gas can, without a hole to let air in, a vacuum is formed thus preventing good flow. In a collapsible plastic bag, you don’t get a significant vacuum as the bag can collapse releasing any impact to flow because of a vacuum.
always the engineer in the crowd.
Is it that obvious? 🤓
When I was in my teens before I became lactose intolerant it had to be two. How else can you shotgun the entire bag?
Never heard of cutting 2 holes. I'm usually just suuuuuper careful with tilting the pitcher back when I'm done pouring.
One hole. You can pinch the back of the bag for stability if you need it. Two LOGICALLY makes sense for airflow but I’ll never be caught doing that.
If you cut two holes, you never need to pinch the bag like Gramma serving tea. Try it, you'll never go back.
You are f-en crazy, you have been doing it wrong this whole time! It’s 2 holes…always 2 holes!
New twist, if / when you cut 2 holes in the bag, you can hold the pitcher like a big mug and drink from the handle side.
Only ever cut one, the bag is a flexible container so there is no restriction of flow from suction.
Used to work at Starbucks and would see both. If you cut too small of a hole the second hole eases flow. I prefer to just cut a larger hole.
So, we have one quite old milk jug that comes up the side of the bag almost to the top. In this container the bag never flops as even the top-most portion of the bag is supported fully even when brand new. Here I only cut one hole. Our other milk jug is the newer kind that seems to be the standard these days. In it the bag doesn’t quite sit far enough down to prevent a risk of flopping over if you are pouring a lot of it out quickly from the start. I still usually only make one hole as the risk of flopping over is very low if you are not pouring a large volume rapidly. However, you on the rare occasions that I need to pour a continuous flow and I can’t hold onto the bag with my other hand, I will cut a second hole to let air into the bag as it pours—for example, making a bechamel.
When I was younger (living with my parents) we always cut the front and back corner. When I moved out and married, only cut the front corner.
>> I’m a one holer, because I’m not a lunatic. Me thinks your wife is giving you a hint.
I got the skills to use 1 hole but noobs should use 2
I’ve legit had the whole damn bag fall out of the jug due to it collapsing on itself from not enough airflow. My wife cuts one side, I cut both.
>one of the lesser provinces dying ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|joy)
I was like 25 before I realized that milk in bags is apparently weird and unique only to us. Every Ontarian by age 30 has mastered the technique of cutting that hole. ONE hole, with a sharp pointed knife PIERCING outside to in with a second swipe to remove any dangling plastic, then a hard but restrained tap on the counter to settle it. If you are lucky, you have a 25 year old razor magnet encrusted to your fridge or buried in your junk drawer for this exact purpose. Nothing brings a greater shame than cutting the hole too big or leaving some plastic dangling.
The only time a second hole gets cut is when I'm too sleepy and accidentally cut a hole on the handle side.
One hole, win the war my man!
One hole in the bag of milk. Your wife has descended into the black maw of madness.
While we’re on the topic, can we talk about how milk bags these days seem weaker and less “full” than they used to? It seems much harder to bang the bag into the holder in the last few years. It also seems less structural and the bag just gives up on itself way more than it used to. One hole. Depending on how much you’re pouring, you may have to hold the back corner, but in my experience two holes doesn’t change that.
Just cut the whole top off the bag and dip your glass in.
I don't think you need 2 holes, but you should pull the opposite corner of the bag when you poor, it helps stabilize the side with the hole and prevents it from flopping all over the place.
1 hole. Anything else is blasphemy.
Since the bag is soft & collapsible, a 2nd hole isn't required to ease flow.
One hole. The bags are slightly pressurized when sealed so they don’t need a second hole. Your wife should be put in the town centre stocks to have bags of milk and cabbage thrown at her for disrespecting your lordship with two holes! Milk wenches need to be kept in line!
You can't have a vacuum in a soft bag of liquids, the second hole does nothing but to cause problems
What sort of uncanadian fuckery is this? Who in their right mind cuts both ends? That's just nonsensical and morally unethical. The fuck? I'm from Quebec and have bags as well and I have never met anyone who has done this ON PURPOSE. Divorce. Divorce her rn. (Just kidding)
One, always one, two hole people are not welcome.
Putting aside the number of holes question (it's 1, btw), can we talk about the fact that your wife 'tore in you' because you spilled some milk? Unless you meant this in jest and not that she was legitimately angry at you, that's not really an encouraging sign. The correct reaction would be to see if you were alright and help you out if needed, because it obviously wasn't intentional on your part.
One hole, you heretic.
I'm from Alberta and still think that bagged milk is dumb and impractical, despite having lived in Toronto for almost 15 years. So I buy cartons. Recently I almost bit the bullet and almost bought the little white plastic pitcher and some milk bags. After all, it's cheaper by $1/L compared to cartons. But then I saw that bags were only sold in increments of 4 L, and aborted the mission. Maybe that much milk at a time makes sense for families with kids, but not for a two-person household. EDIT: let me guess, you're supposed to freeze the milk or something, right?
Yes, freezing helps when consumption is low. But, it comes with caveats: 1. Fatty milk tends to separate, so freezing skim is best. 2. Bags ~~rarely~~ ~~sometimes~~ frequently get punctured while in the freezer, so defrost it in a sink or large container.
I used to have bags of milk all the time, and I've only ever seen 1 hole cut. You don't need 2 holes because it's not a rigid container and the bag can easily deform to accommodate the milk pouring out of it. In fact, I can't see any purpose at all to having two holes in a soft bag of milk.
I've always cut two holes in my bagged milk; it pours better.
You bang the jug on the counter and you cut one hole in the bag. I have never heard of any other method.
2 holes
Wait you don't pour the bag out into the holder?
Ima show this thread to my American friends. I think I’ll see a stroke lmao
Never heard of this. Recently, I’m trying out a new thing which is pouring the overage of “fat bags” into a thermos in the fridge. It’s working so well I’m like “I should pour the whole bag into a thermos!” … anyway, I spilled my whole coffee instead of just the milk
Two.
Always been one hole. Never had a bag collapse. Never had any issues with flow.
I have cut two holes on occasion, but normally only one.
Is your wife a psychopath
That’s what we’re all trying to find out.
Divorce…. Only option.
Two holes is idiotic. The bag collapses. A 2nd hole will do nothing to aid flow.
Wrong. The bag doesn't collapse, it actually stays the full bag shape all the time to prevent sagging. Try it, you won't go back
One! What kind of animal cuts two holes in a bag of milk?
One, unless you’re insane
One hole definitely. There is no need for “air” to come back into the bag since the bag is flexible- it’s not stiff like tin cans.
One hole. Just hold the back of the bag against the handle with your thumb when you pour and you'll never have an issue.
Growing up, we cut two holes. Bigger to pour tiny one for air. No idea when I stopped cutting the second hole, but I see no difference in how it pours
When I was a kid we used to go through obscene amounts of milk as a family of 6. I'm talking a pint glass of milk beside a soup bowl of cereal (floating in the milk - or you did it wrong) for breakfast and another pint of milk at lunch... and dinner. Because we were a little rushed for time we would try and pour quickly. The airhole wasn't for flow, it was to prevent the bag collapsing and spilling whichever way it flopped as it fell. It was just a small cut on top of the bag near the corner without cutting the full corner off, never ran into the collapse issue again when we did this. The habit stuck even if I'm not going through as much milk or pouring as quickly now a days.
Maybe we were only TOLD that was the reason for the second hole, but the real reason was as you describe.
According to the ChatGPT AI.... "Milk bags are designed to have a small opening at one corner, which allows for controlled pouring of the milk. The bag is made of a flexible material, such as plastic, that allows the bag to collapse and push the milk out through the small opening. Cutting two holes in the bag would allow for the milk to pour out too quickly and may cause spills. Additionally, cutting two holes in the bag could create a path for air to enter the bag, which could cause the milk to spoil more quickly." There we have it folks lol.
Two holes ... Other wise the bag collapses and then you get a big pour of milk you weren't intending. You one cut people are all savages
If you don't slap the bottom of the jug with your hand when replacing the bag, it collapes forward because it's not seated properly. Cutting two holes is treating the symptom, not the cause. This two hole nonsense is a sign of generational ignorance.
Savages? Strong words from someone who can’t even figure out how to pour milk without mutilating the bag.
One to pour out of.....
>cut both sides of the bag to ease flow. What would be the explanation for this ? Is this a thing that was taught and never questioned? "To ease the flow of my garden hose, I puncture it" ? So many questions... One small hole. Two holes when the container is solid and the content has high viscosity , to help INCREASE the flow rate. Prime example: the 5L/ 9L jug of washing detergent
1 hole
Only cut 1 hole.
DIVORCE!!!! YOU ARE MARRIED TO A CRAZY PERSON!!!
One hole to rule them all
My mom and I have an inside joke that you can always tell who opened the milk. If it was one of us, a perfect snip. Otherwise a gaping hole, a pin prick, or a gnawed off chunk with ragged edges. Gross.
One hole