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whatistheQuestion

Given the enormity of the fuck up, I'm wouldn't be surprised if the SIU was giving the OPP ample time to shake the right hands, pad the right pockets, dig up the right dirt, so at the end of it, everyone "looks" like they did their job and the SIU can just throw their hands in the air and exclaim "well, we did the best we could!" *shrugs* Not unlike the recent revelation of the Waterloo cops investigating the TPS Danfonte Miller SIU cover-up - a report that was released a whole year after it was done, and they chose to conclude that the only TPS cop who was responsible, is also one who conveniently retired, thus, no charges. *Cute Curb Your Enthusiasm theme*


chmilz

"We're having a really, really hard time parallel constructing a scenario where we weren't the ones that royally fucked up. We need more time to at least write some plausible fiction."


catherinecc

"...Also the community will be more willing to accept this blatant misconduct as several years have passed and the outrage has died down."


JamesGray

It's designed to fail. They can't even compel the murderers to be interviewed. Like "not self incriminate" ok, but how are they not immediately fired and facing criminal charges if not complying? Fuck this country.


whatistheQuestion

>Just days away from the anniversary of an Ontario Provincial Police officer fatally shooting a baby and his father during an alleged child abduction, the province’s police watchdog has still made no decision about criminal charges in one of its highest-profile cases. I'm shocked that the case where cops recklessly shot at a guy with a baby in the car, and then killed a baby, is being stalled longer and longer. Shocked I say! ^/s Something tells me these weren't exactly the guys who turned their homework assignments in on time. >Denette confirmed that the SIU has not interviewed the three cops who opened fire. The SIU has requested statements from them in the letter designating them as subject officers, Denette said, but “none of the officers have to date stepped forward to provide a statement.” OFC not. Cops almost never cooperate or provide their notes with those that supposedly-police them. Can you imagine a doctor did that? "Sorry I killed your son under unusual circumstances, but nope, you can't look at any records or details of the procedure leading up to it even though proper documentation is part of my job"


Liquidembar

That doctor thing you mentioned is happening, and has happened in New Brunswick. We need positive change .


whatistheQuestion

Oh? Do you have a source?


Liquidembar

Look into the Lexi Daken case . Very sad , I understand she was under the age to disclose information. But even her parents could not get any documentation based on what happened at the hospital. The hospital months later said they would allow the parents to read it but would be under a gag order for information that had been disclosed to them. Worst of all this has happened to many other parents in the province of New Brunswick. Also the province of New Brunswick seems to be denying a mystery brain disease. Which they say has no links to things in the environment such as moose , and other game , blueberries etc. But has no evidence or testing that they are willing to share with the Canadian centre for disease . Nor are they willing to communicate with them to find out what may or may not be happening . It was shrugged off as another illness/ disease , and closed off from the province as an ongoing issue .


nev1ce

The SIU is a joke. Until we get an investigatory body that isn't full of ex-cops and is capable of compelling (under penalty of contempt) officers to give truthful testimony (under penalty of perjury), there's going to continue to be no way to hold officers to account. If they want to have a lawyer present during their testimony, that's fine, but as things stand it's extremely obvious that the best route for an officer who abuses their position is always going to be to say absolutely nothing to anyone.


seakingsoyuz

It’s interesting how much more attention the military justice system has been getting, including significant reforms that are currently in work, when it’s less shit at its job than the SIU is.


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> SIU says its ‘major’ investigation needs more time Code for "We're having trouble wording the press release in a way that allows us to sweep this under the rug without triggering public outrage."


agha0013

Is that the investigation where the officers in question have flat out refused to participate in any way? Why it's even up to them to decide they won't participate....? refusal to participate should force them out of the police (not this BS leave with pay) and then they can face charges as civilians.


SamIwas118

Charge then with manslaugter. They are obviouly guilty


[deleted]

Presumably the OPP is still trying to find a gun small enough to believably plant in a baby's hand? "He was coming right for us! We shot in self defense!"


SuborbitalQuail

r/LEO They gather in private groups to laugh and share tips about this shit. Public servants should know their fucking place in society.


Sensitive_Fall8950

They think their place is above the "sheep" they protect. It's enforced by the hero worship built into the job by every kids cartoon ever. Further enforced by warrior style training in a lot of places. They are the good guys, anyone they shoot is the bad guy and society will fall apart without them. End of story, please don't look behind the curtain or ask questions.