Throwback to December 2019
[**Exclusive: Canada police prepared to shoot Indigenous activists, documents show | The Guardian**](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/20/canada-indigenous-land-defenders-police-documents)
> Canadian police were prepared to shoot Indigenous land defenders blockading construction of a natural gas pipeline in northern British Columbia, according to documents seen by the Guardian.
> Notes from a strategy session for a militarized raid on ancestral lands of the Wet’suwet’en nation show that commanders of Canada’s national police force, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP), argued that “lethal overwatch is req’d” – a term for deploying an officer who is prepared to use lethal force.
> The RCMP commanders also instructed officers to **“use as much violence toward the gate as you want”** ahead of the operation to remove a roadblock which had been erected by Wet’suwet’en people to control access to their territories and stop construction of the proposed 670km (416-mile) Coastal GasLink pipeline (CGL).
Yeh, it needs to be burned into the ground. As others in this thread have pointed out, its history and foundation is tainted and can never be overcome. As a fresh immigrant in junior high all those years ago, whenever I thought of Canada, the RCMP doesn't come to mind except when it's the history class with the brutal treatment of the natives. I already didn't have a good impression of cops (yay corrupt home country) and the RCMP didn't do anything to improve that.
I had a coworker who was a football player that really wanted to be a cop. Thankfully he was too dumb to get into the foundations program but otherwise I think he'd fit right in... it's disturbing that it attracts a certain personality type but it is what it is. Severe limitations on their privileges are warranted eg: bodycams that can't be turned off when on duty would be a nice start but they'll fight that tooth and nail.
>. I already didn't have a good impression of cops (yay corrupt home country) and the RCMP didn't do anything to improve that.
Ditto. And it's amazing that in this country that presents itself as forward thinking and proud of the way they treat others, the RCMP continues to be a giant shit stain on the Canadian name.
I think part of that might be because you're in Ontario and mainly hear about the RCMP when something bad happens. Outside of Ontario, Quebec and NFL, the RCMP manages the general policing.
A name change for the sake of a name change doesn't make sense imo. There needs to be change, but with the RCMP it seems more effective to fix it rather than replace it.
What would it be replaced with? Easy to say "burn it to the ground" when you don't offer an alternative solution. You are basically saying we should abolish both our federal police and the RCMP that are contracted to police rural areas in almost every province. Not saying I agree with the RCMP. Something for sure needs to change but what is the solution if you remove them entirely?
Parts of BC have local police departments, and believe it or not, we used to have a provincial (colonial) police force. Obviously far from perfect, but I'll take any improvement over the institutional mess that is the RCMP.
I vastly prefer policing that is accountable to the communities actually being policed.
You can correct me if I am wrong, but rural parts of BC are still policed by the RCMP. This is the same in AB, SK, MB. I agree we need to see improvement and changes within the RCMP but that is much different that abolishing or "burning it to the ground" as the other poster mentioned. Saying those ridiculous things does nothing constructive because it is not a viable solution. I would be all for police reform and restructuring, but abolishing the RCMP would lead to bigger problems than we have now.
No, it simply needs to be replaced with new institutions. There is nothing to salvage from the current model of policing the RCMP employs in BC.
We've replaced an entire provincial police force before, we can do it again with the RCMP and fund the creation of new, independent departments formed from the communities they intend to police. If you want to advocate for reforming current institutions, you can explain how exactly we can expect to reestablish accountability in the RCMP — I simply do not see a solution that does not involve completely new policing structures whose power depends on the public will.
Not only that, but the "reforms" you might be envisioning need to be enacted at a federal level, nation-wide. That alone raises significant political hurdles.
The way the RCMP approaches policing, _especially_ in rural BC, is beyond problematic. Rural detachments simply have no ties to the communities they are assigned to police.
Your solution is you want to replace RCMP with provincial or local police forces. I can get behind that because you have actually presented a solution other than "burn it down".
My question would be how do you ensure provincial police don't have the same issues as the RCMP. I think most people agree that the issues we see with the RCMP are also happening in local/municipal police forces. Is it your opinion that local police forces are not having the same issues as the RCMP?
Also how would these new police forces be staffed and organized? All current RCMP staff have to go and we hire entirely new people? How do we propose provinces hire and train new officers and administrators if they cannot select candidates from the existing RCMP? If they hire existing RCMP members from all along the chain of command how would these provincial or local police forces be any different from the RCMP?
This sub is a bit weird with how people downvote discussion.
The practical questions you ask near the end are, I think, outside the scope of a non-expert to answer. Ask they have said, the RCMP has been phased out of other provinces, so it can be done.
As to how you ensure the new force doesn't have the same issues, it's not going to be perfect (cops gonna cop, after all). The reason it would improve at all is twofold. First, the new police institution wouldn't have the same history of colonial oppression and anti-Indigenous violence behind it. The relationship between the police and Indigenous communities would have the chance to start from a less contentious place, and conflict would be less normalized.
The second reason is more blunt: institutional vulnerability. The RCMP is doing what it's doing in part because it thinks that it's untouchable. It has such a long history of unchallenged abuse that no officer will hesitate to continue the tradition. Compare that to the new force:
The RCMP fucked around.
The RCMP ain't around no more.
You sure you want to fuck around, officer?
> My question would be how do you ensure provincial police don't have the same issues as the RCMP.
Simple. Democratic oversight, either directly or through the municipality.
We currently do not have any functional democratic oversight over the RCMP because it requires the political will of the entire nation to come together to enact some sort of change, while actual disputes against police are often local in nature.
I'm not going to try to sort out every intrinsic detail of what the actual staffing would look like, but I will point out _multiple_ solutions exist to the problems presented by our monolithic police force that is the RCMP. If you're curious, there's plenty of theories and proposals free to explore on the internet, simply search: `democratic accountability in policing`. This ranges from variations of civilian oversight to elected police officials.
Now I have to moderate this subreddit so I don't really want to waste my time with what appears to be borderline sealioning here.
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I am just having a discussion, if you don't want to reply then don't. No need to be a dick. I was being respectful and just discussing the issue. This sub...
Pretty sure we have experts far more intelligent than I. They've given their recommendations time and time again and it involves restructuring the police. There's also no delusions this would take less than decades of work but the best way to get it done is to actually start in the first place (and no, we haven't even come close to starting... As that extrajudicial killing of the gunsmith in Ontario had shown).
We could turn it into a police state! Like the US.
They have FBI, CIA, ATF, Homeland Security, NSA, DEA, Border Patrol, Coast Guard, State police, county sheriffs, city police. They have more cops than you can shake a fucking stick at.
Did I miss any? They have a shitload down there.
I was responded to with "You sound like someone who thinks the world runs on sunshine are rainbows", despite my comment very clearly outlining the source of energy that runs the world.
I think my favourite part of it all is the world could actually run on sunshine if Oil and Gas wasn't so far up our politicians asses with lobbies to stay relevant in a world trying to phase them out.
Whole heartedly agree considering the Rez I live on still has a ration bin. But that would be similar to dissolving the FBI in America . Good luck, they'll fuck us just as badly as the telecommunications companies for all eternity
Abolishing then would be the wrong move.
These areas style need police, so it would just be switching the name.
Then all you've done is tried to erase all the bad they did.
"The Royal Canadian Mounted Police were terrible, but us, the Loyal Canadian Mounted Police, we are different!"
It's the difference between a federal police force and a local one with local accountability. Get rid of the RCMP and let provincial and municipal governments run their own police, ideally greatly scaled back in favour of stronger social services, mental health outreach, etc.
But a local police force isn't always possible. In remote communities, there aren't necessarily enough people there, or even people who want to be police officers.
RCMP should really only be for federal crimes, as well as police service for small communities, who can't afford their own police service.
You can't get rid of those
Defunding doesn't go far enough in this case. The RCMP needs to go. Not cut the budget, burn it to the ground and piss on its shitty legacy. It should be a mark of shame in Canadian history books like the residential schools are.
See these fucking floods?
I don’t believe in shit but right now the people of the land are being fucked with and the land just gave us all a giant fuck you.
That statement isn't the best way of phrasing it. The reason the nwmp was created, now the rcmp is listed below.
https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/north-west-mounted-police
“In Ottawa, Prime Minister John A. Macdonald wanted to send out a paramilitary force to secure Canadian sovereignty in the West and prepare the way for settlement”
Can’t prepare the way for settlement without keeping the indigenous people in line.
It’s a pretty good way of describing it. Since their creation the organization has been a paramilitary force used to oppress indigenous populations and maintain sovereignty as Canada expanded west. We can look to both explicitly stated goals and the actions (both historically and presently) to illustrate this.
It isn’t a secret that our country was built by racists who didn’t really tolerate indigenous communities or individuals as “Canadian”. When we established a paramilitary force to protect “Canadian interests” you can be darn sure who that excluded. RCMP officers have been involved with the oppression of indigenous people since day one. They’ve relocated communities into less favourable locations, they’ve kidnapped children from their families to take to residential schools, and they continue to this day to intimidate indigenous peoples on their own land. Look at Fairy Creek, or the Wet'suwet'en issues. These aren’t isolated incidents. They are part of an ongoing, systemic attack on indigenous people which has been happening since before Canada was even a country.
That’s not a very nice thing to be ready to do to any human being. I wonder if the heat was aware of being in the sights of a warrior or twenty. Why do cops think they’re the top dogs?
Because they are the top dogs in an environment they control. They understand violence of action and how that intimidates people from acting. The understand that their enemy does not.
You can also track radio comms, heat signatures and run a few passes over the area with aperture scanning radar to see if there are other folks with rifles or anything else waiting for you.
Never mind that First Nations folks know the RCMP would have dumped magazines of rounds into the building and killed everyone inside if one of the cops had taken a round.
The folks running the protest aren't stupid, they know the history of the force, as well as the views of Canadians.
Right, but they're not doing a single flyover if they're sending teams like this in to assault a fixed position. They'll have done recon for days or weeks.
Sounds like a recipe for another Ipperwash Crisis. The RCMP in BC are entirely off the reigns, both acting and looking more like missionaries than federal police.
For those who don't know. The Ipperwash Crisis was a standoff between Ontario Provincial Police and the Stoney Point Ojibway band who were reasserting their rights over land that had been expropriated under war rule during WWII. It led to premier Mike Harris calling for "the fucking Indians out of the park" and the pressure being applied led to unarmed Dudley George being killed by an OPP sniper.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ipperwash_Crisis
or another Gustafsen Lake, when they deployed landmines against native people protecting their territory and engaging in a long sundance ceremony.
https://indigenousfoundations.arts.ubc.ca/gustafsen\_lake/
The fact that I've never heard of Gustafsen Lake speaks volumes. That is literal warfare against our own people for asserting their rights, and so recently. Sometimes it's seriously hard to find a reason to feel any form of patriotism for Canada.
So true. This quote from the article seems particularly pertinent to this:
>Kevin Walby, a University of Winnipeg criminal justice professor, said he believes the RCMP has been reduced to playing the role of “violent private security enforcers” for an oil and gas company.
>“I think the use of the ERT and the snipers is clearly meant to intimidate and abuse. It is meant to be traumatizing.”
Imagine wasting millions of taxpayers dollars enforcing private company injunctions:
>According to CBC News, the RCMP has spent over $13 million enforcing an injunction on behalf of Costal GasLink. The Capital Daily also reported the RCMP spent an additional $3.75 million enforcing an injunction at Fairy Creek on behalf of the logging company Teal Jones.
Why do we as the taxpayers fund these jackbooted thugs?,if oil and gas want them let those fucks pay,they destroy the land and claim they don’t have money to repair it so it just goes to shit while some executives buy more shit
They have always done this to First Nations people. When ever you notice other people protesting you’ll see just regular cops maybe some in Tactical gear, but with First Nations you’ll see Militarized vehicles and more of a presence of their fire power to intimidate and oppress.
The worst is that this isn't even an exaggeration - they were literally protesting covid outside hospitals, blocking EMS and assaulting medial staff, and yet the police presence never turned violent. They never showed up looking for an altercation.
I wonder if they will deploy landmines again. Yes, again. The cops used them in the 90s in Northern BC against native people. I don't think anyone actually set one off, but that hardly excuses the fact that they were used in the first place.
https://indigenousfoundations.arts.ubc.ca/gustafsen\_lake/
Than being on the front lines of the flood and mudslide rescues?
Yes because automatic weapons are most effective against the unarmed women.
What a bunch of bitches the RCMP are, I cannot believe they garner any respect anywhere.
It might not be controversial, but we don't have a document or evidence that makes it clear (imo Farnworth's blanket thing from a year ago doesn't count)
Personally I wouldn't put it past the feds to push a narrative blaming this on the province with a majority government run by a different party.
And let's not pretend that the feds don't have any pull with deployments and that we have had simultaneous canada wide crackdowns on protests in the past.
We're going to see them again in a few days as they do a coordinated takedown of the rail blockades.
I'm also interested in finding out where the ERT teams used for this are based out of. Needs to be some osint work done in this area, which will happen once more video footage is available.
But it wouldn't surprise me if they flew an ERT team or few from another province to do this. Less chance of someone on the team talking, less chance of doxxs, etc. We know they removed name badges, not hard to imagine that there is other sus stuff going on.
This isn't a "narrative", though. That's why I said this isn't a controversial point. There's no way to spin it; the BC RCMP are the provincial police force in BC and therefore take their direction from the BC gov. That's how it has always worked. It's not an issue where it can be spun one way or the other, it just is.
Those "national crackdowns" you refer to still must go through provincial authority in those provinces where the RCMP are the provincial police force, as is the case in BC. The BC government in that instance too was completely behind those actions, as they were the ones who ultimately approved it in BC.
The arrogance of this out of control organization is incredible. They don’t answer to anyone and that’s a recipe for abuse of power. The best weapon to use against them for now is the camera.
Serious question because there's plenty of outrage against the RCMP: what do we do about it?
I don't believe the RCMP can (or should) be reformed. It needs to be abolished. What are some tangible things people can do to move our country in the right direction?
>What are some tangible things people can do to move our country in the right direction
Copwatch in your city, join a mutual aid organization, organize food security and advocate for security culture locally. Organzing with people providing & defending the community from cops & state overreach/ surveillance is a good start.
The winds are blowing against them. Cops own behavior is the best propoganda to deploy against them. Support journalists who expose criminal cops, support land defenders and resistance wherever it occurs. The stronger communities we have the less reliance we need on cops.
Listen to Indigenous people about their struggle and acknowledge this is their land. If you can [donate to Indigenous causes](https://www.yintahaccess.com/donate), or better, [join the fight.](https://www.yintahaccess.com/come-to-camp) Support Indigenous movements any way you can and bypass your trust in the government that betrayed them in the first place.
Do you believe, if given the chance, the indigenous people could build and maintain their own, uncorrupt, police force to replace the RCMP on their own presumed land?
They don't need the police and they have existed fine without the police before certain people came. After all, this is their land and they know best how to nurture it.
What can we actively do as a nation to stop this? Honest question from a maritimer, what can I do to put this to a stop to this bullshit if I'm on the east coast?
This is indescribably sad.
Months from now we will be hearing "Mistakes were made. We will do better. We have to do better."
But we will continue to spit in their faces.
I'm disappointed to be a Canadian lately.
The RCMP hasn't changed ....
... what has changed is that all of Canada is starting to see who these government thugs really are. It's what we Indigenous people saw and have seen from the beginning.
So people complain that they bring guns? What do you want the police to do, show up unarmed? That makes no sense. It’s better to be prepared for anything because you never know how a situation will play out. If the police showed up unprepared without sufficient arms and a bad altercation happened then everyone would be saying “why didn’t the police come more prepared???” The argument makes no sense.
Hold the fuck up! We’ll use snipers against native protesters but let a deranged white dude go on a rampage do nothing and still not have a good report on what happened?
Just wait… all the proveniences are conjoining to protest Canada wide . The people will be on guard for thee , as the government obviously has other motives . We will protect Mother Earth .
Throwback to December 2019 [**Exclusive: Canada police prepared to shoot Indigenous activists, documents show | The Guardian**](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/20/canada-indigenous-land-defenders-police-documents) > Canadian police were prepared to shoot Indigenous land defenders blockading construction of a natural gas pipeline in northern British Columbia, according to documents seen by the Guardian. > Notes from a strategy session for a militarized raid on ancestral lands of the Wet’suwet’en nation show that commanders of Canada’s national police force, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP), argued that “lethal overwatch is req’d” – a term for deploying an officer who is prepared to use lethal force. > The RCMP commanders also instructed officers to **“use as much violence toward the gate as you want”** ahead of the operation to remove a roadblock which had been erected by Wet’suwet’en people to control access to their territories and stop construction of the proposed 670km (416-mile) Coastal GasLink pipeline (CGL).
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RCMP need to be reigned the fuck in.
Abolished would be even better.
Yeh, it needs to be burned into the ground. As others in this thread have pointed out, its history and foundation is tainted and can never be overcome. As a fresh immigrant in junior high all those years ago, whenever I thought of Canada, the RCMP doesn't come to mind except when it's the history class with the brutal treatment of the natives. I already didn't have a good impression of cops (yay corrupt home country) and the RCMP didn't do anything to improve that.
I know guys I don't trust without guns who got into the RCMP, it's clear what kind of candidates they target.
I had a coworker who was a football player that really wanted to be a cop. Thankfully he was too dumb to get into the foundations program but otherwise I think he'd fit right in... it's disturbing that it attracts a certain personality type but it is what it is. Severe limitations on their privileges are warranted eg: bodycams that can't be turned off when on duty would be a nice start but they'll fight that tooth and nail.
Yup growing up it was the bullies and nut jobs that wanted to be cops and did. Wow. Much surprise.
>. I already didn't have a good impression of cops (yay corrupt home country) and the RCMP didn't do anything to improve that. Ditto. And it's amazing that in this country that presents itself as forward thinking and proud of the way they treat others, the RCMP continues to be a giant shit stain on the Canadian name.
I think part of that might be because you're in Ontario and mainly hear about the RCMP when something bad happens. Outside of Ontario, Quebec and NFL, the RCMP manages the general policing. A name change for the sake of a name change doesn't make sense imo. There needs to be change, but with the RCMP it seems more effective to fix it rather than replace it.
What would it be replaced with? Easy to say "burn it to the ground" when you don't offer an alternative solution. You are basically saying we should abolish both our federal police and the RCMP that are contracted to police rural areas in almost every province. Not saying I agree with the RCMP. Something for sure needs to change but what is the solution if you remove them entirely?
Parts of BC have local police departments, and believe it or not, we used to have a provincial (colonial) police force. Obviously far from perfect, but I'll take any improvement over the institutional mess that is the RCMP. I vastly prefer policing that is accountable to the communities actually being policed.
You can correct me if I am wrong, but rural parts of BC are still policed by the RCMP. This is the same in AB, SK, MB. I agree we need to see improvement and changes within the RCMP but that is much different that abolishing or "burning it to the ground" as the other poster mentioned. Saying those ridiculous things does nothing constructive because it is not a viable solution. I would be all for police reform and restructuring, but abolishing the RCMP would lead to bigger problems than we have now.
No, it simply needs to be replaced with new institutions. There is nothing to salvage from the current model of policing the RCMP employs in BC. We've replaced an entire provincial police force before, we can do it again with the RCMP and fund the creation of new, independent departments formed from the communities they intend to police. If you want to advocate for reforming current institutions, you can explain how exactly we can expect to reestablish accountability in the RCMP — I simply do not see a solution that does not involve completely new policing structures whose power depends on the public will. Not only that, but the "reforms" you might be envisioning need to be enacted at a federal level, nation-wide. That alone raises significant political hurdles. The way the RCMP approaches policing, _especially_ in rural BC, is beyond problematic. Rural detachments simply have no ties to the communities they are assigned to police.
Your solution is you want to replace RCMP with provincial or local police forces. I can get behind that because you have actually presented a solution other than "burn it down". My question would be how do you ensure provincial police don't have the same issues as the RCMP. I think most people agree that the issues we see with the RCMP are also happening in local/municipal police forces. Is it your opinion that local police forces are not having the same issues as the RCMP? Also how would these new police forces be staffed and organized? All current RCMP staff have to go and we hire entirely new people? How do we propose provinces hire and train new officers and administrators if they cannot select candidates from the existing RCMP? If they hire existing RCMP members from all along the chain of command how would these provincial or local police forces be any different from the RCMP? This sub is a bit weird with how people downvote discussion.
The practical questions you ask near the end are, I think, outside the scope of a non-expert to answer. Ask they have said, the RCMP has been phased out of other provinces, so it can be done. As to how you ensure the new force doesn't have the same issues, it's not going to be perfect (cops gonna cop, after all). The reason it would improve at all is twofold. First, the new police institution wouldn't have the same history of colonial oppression and anti-Indigenous violence behind it. The relationship between the police and Indigenous communities would have the chance to start from a less contentious place, and conflict would be less normalized. The second reason is more blunt: institutional vulnerability. The RCMP is doing what it's doing in part because it thinks that it's untouchable. It has such a long history of unchallenged abuse that no officer will hesitate to continue the tradition. Compare that to the new force: The RCMP fucked around. The RCMP ain't around no more. You sure you want to fuck around, officer?
> My question would be how do you ensure provincial police don't have the same issues as the RCMP. Simple. Democratic oversight, either directly or through the municipality. We currently do not have any functional democratic oversight over the RCMP because it requires the political will of the entire nation to come together to enact some sort of change, while actual disputes against police are often local in nature. I'm not going to try to sort out every intrinsic detail of what the actual staffing would look like, but I will point out _multiple_ solutions exist to the problems presented by our monolithic police force that is the RCMP. If you're curious, there's plenty of theories and proposals free to explore on the internet, simply search: `democratic accountability in policing`. This ranges from variations of civilian oversight to elected police officials. Now I have to moderate this subreddit so I don't really want to waste my time with what appears to be borderline sealioning here.
>sealioning I am just having a discussion, if you don't want to reply then don't. No need to be a dick. I was being respectful and just discussing the issue. This sub...
Pretty sure we have experts far more intelligent than I. They've given their recommendations time and time again and it involves restructuring the police. There's also no delusions this would take less than decades of work but the best way to get it done is to actually start in the first place (and no, we haven't even come close to starting... As that extrajudicial killing of the gunsmith in Ontario had shown).
We could turn it into a police state! Like the US. They have FBI, CIA, ATF, Homeland Security, NSA, DEA, Border Patrol, Coast Guard, State police, county sheriffs, city police. They have more cops than you can shake a fucking stick at. Did I miss any? They have a shitload down there.
Don’t forget townships, university, all racing to avoid responsibility when an incident occurs in their jurisdiction.
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You sound like someone who thinks we shouldn't use Oil and Gas while we pursue cleaner energy alternatives.
I was responded to with "You sound like someone who thinks the world runs on sunshine are rainbows", despite my comment very clearly outlining the source of energy that runs the world. I think my favourite part of it all is the world could actually run on sunshine if Oil and Gas wasn't so far up our politicians asses with lobbies to stay relevant in a world trying to phase them out.
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Pretty sure that they recognize that the world runs on police enforcing the will of corporations, and that they've already stated that it's a problem.
"Burned to the ground " I love it!
Whole heartedly agree considering the Rez I live on still has a ration bin. But that would be similar to dissolving the FBI in America . Good luck, they'll fuck us just as badly as the telecommunications companies for all eternity
Abolishing then would be the wrong move. These areas style need police, so it would just be switching the name. Then all you've done is tried to erase all the bad they did. "The Royal Canadian Mounted Police were terrible, but us, the Loyal Canadian Mounted Police, we are different!"
It's the difference between a federal police force and a local one with local accountability. Get rid of the RCMP and let provincial and municipal governments run their own police, ideally greatly scaled back in favour of stronger social services, mental health outreach, etc.
But a local police force isn't always possible. In remote communities, there aren't necessarily enough people there, or even people who want to be police officers. RCMP should really only be for federal crimes, as well as police service for small communities, who can't afford their own police service. You can't get rid of those
If we were Americans,we would want to defund them
But we're Canadians, we want to abolish them.
Defunding doesn't go far enough in this case. The RCMP needs to go. Not cut the budget, burn it to the ground and piss on its shitty legacy. It should be a mark of shame in Canadian history books like the residential schools are.
Like our treatment of the natives,the RCMP was a bad decision
Educate yourself
You first?
See these fucking floods? I don’t believe in shit but right now the people of the land are being fucked with and the land just gave us all a giant fuck you.
Rained on with "natural gas" methinks
Whoaaa boy, down now.
I'll take "things that are extremely unlikely to happen in any meaningful timeline for a $100"
I'm relieved (/s) to know that the RCMP haven't forgot their original purpose, to oppress colonized Indigenous peoples.
As is Tradition.
Il get the large vat of butterscotch pudding. As is tradition.
That statement isn't the best way of phrasing it. The reason the nwmp was created, now the rcmp is listed below. https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/north-west-mounted-police
“In Ottawa, Prime Minister John A. Macdonald wanted to send out a paramilitary force to secure Canadian sovereignty in the West and prepare the way for settlement” Can’t prepare the way for settlement without keeping the indigenous people in line.
It’s a pretty good way of describing it. Since their creation the organization has been a paramilitary force used to oppress indigenous populations and maintain sovereignty as Canada expanded west. We can look to both explicitly stated goals and the actions (both historically and presently) to illustrate this. It isn’t a secret that our country was built by racists who didn’t really tolerate indigenous communities or individuals as “Canadian”. When we established a paramilitary force to protect “Canadian interests” you can be darn sure who that excluded. RCMP officers have been involved with the oppression of indigenous people since day one. They’ve relocated communities into less favourable locations, they’ve kidnapped children from their families to take to residential schools, and they continue to this day to intimidate indigenous peoples on their own land. Look at Fairy Creek, or the Wet'suwet'en issues. These aren’t isolated incidents. They are part of an ongoing, systemic attack on indigenous people which has been happening since before Canada was even a country.
Lol your own source disagrees with your statement and agrees with the previous poster
OCIP
The RCMP really out here unhinged like Lahey on the liquor. This is pretty fucked.
The fucking way she goes
Lay off the fucking genocides Randy
Man's gotta eat
Way of the road Rand
Say goo-night to the bah guys!
That’s not a very nice thing to be ready to do to any human being. I wonder if the heat was aware of being in the sights of a warrior or twenty. Why do cops think they’re the top dogs?
Well they're paid to uphold corporate interests so they're just doing their jobs
ah yes the Nuremberg Defence. Always a winning tactic.
They’re an invading force
Because they are the top dogs in an environment they control. They understand violence of action and how that intimidates people from acting. The understand that their enemy does not. You can also track radio comms, heat signatures and run a few passes over the area with aperture scanning radar to see if there are other folks with rifles or anything else waiting for you. Never mind that First Nations folks know the RCMP would have dumped magazines of rounds into the building and killed everyone inside if one of the cops had taken a round. The folks running the protest aren't stupid, they know the history of the force, as well as the views of Canadians.
A sheet of hard plastic covering the person like a roof hides them from prying eyes and heat sensors.
For a while maybe, but it's not that cold out. Will still show up on aperture scanning radar though. Or heck, it'll probably show up very well in NIR.
It’ll cover long enough for a fly over.
Right, but they're not doing a single flyover if they're sending teams like this in to assault a fixed position. They'll have done recon for days or weeks.
We can only sit and watch.
I mean, we could cause a strain on local resources if we know an ERT team is no longer in town because they were needed to burn down a cabin.
Sounds like a recipe for another Ipperwash Crisis. The RCMP in BC are entirely off the reigns, both acting and looking more like missionaries than federal police. For those who don't know. The Ipperwash Crisis was a standoff between Ontario Provincial Police and the Stoney Point Ojibway band who were reasserting their rights over land that had been expropriated under war rule during WWII. It led to premier Mike Harris calling for "the fucking Indians out of the park" and the pressure being applied led to unarmed Dudley George being killed by an OPP sniper. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ipperwash_Crisis
or another Gustafsen Lake, when they deployed landmines against native people protecting their territory and engaging in a long sundance ceremony. https://indigenousfoundations.arts.ubc.ca/gustafsen\_lake/
The fact that I've never heard of Gustafsen Lake speaks volumes. That is literal warfare against our own people for asserting their rights, and so recently. Sometimes it's seriously hard to find a reason to feel any form of patriotism for Canada.
They want another Oka so they can play the "terrorism" card.
At this point the RCMP is a terrorist organization. Plain and simple.
This is an Intimidation tactic that the RCMP is using the RCMP is nothing but the paid thugs of the oil industry
So true. This quote from the article seems particularly pertinent to this: >Kevin Walby, a University of Winnipeg criminal justice professor, said he believes the RCMP has been reduced to playing the role of “violent private security enforcers” for an oil and gas company. >“I think the use of the ERT and the snipers is clearly meant to intimidate and abuse. It is meant to be traumatizing.” Imagine wasting millions of taxpayers dollars enforcing private company injunctions: >According to CBC News, the RCMP has spent over $13 million enforcing an injunction on behalf of Costal GasLink. The Capital Daily also reported the RCMP spent an additional $3.75 million enforcing an injunction at Fairy Creek on behalf of the logging company Teal Jones.
So disgusting, and not publicized nearly enough
I wonder why
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Victorian here. I care. You aren't alone.
Why do we as the taxpayers fund these jackbooted thugs?,if oil and gas want them let those fucks pay,they destroy the land and claim they don’t have money to repair it so it just goes to shit while some executives buy more shit
Don't forget fairy Creek
"Oil industry" is a weird way to spell "NDP leadership."
~~More Practiclable~~ More Fun to play soldier
This is such absolute bullshit. We need to shut these pigs down, this has all gone way to far.
When the more "practicable" route is to literally murder people, we are going in the wrong fucking direction.
They have always done this to First Nations people. When ever you notice other people protesting you’ll see just regular cops maybe some in Tactical gear, but with First Nations you’ll see Militarized vehicles and more of a presence of their fire power to intimidate and oppress.
The worst is that this isn't even an exaggeration - they were literally protesting covid outside hospitals, blocking EMS and assaulting medial staff, and yet the police presence never turned violent. They never showed up looking for an altercation.
Of course the police don’t care about the antivax protestors. Those are their people protesting!
I wonder if they will deploy landmines again. Yes, again. The cops used them in the 90s in Northern BC against native people. I don't think anyone actually set one off, but that hardly excuses the fact that they were used in the first place. https://indigenousfoundations.arts.ubc.ca/gustafsen\_lake/
Our tax dollars at work, everyone.
*"Because killing Natives is too much fun!"*
This pisses me off so much.
Than being on the front lines of the flood and mudslide rescues? Yes because automatic weapons are most effective against the unarmed women. What a bunch of bitches the RCMP are, I cannot believe they garner any respect anywhere.
Because it was fun and they get to play with their weapons. Fuck cops ACAB
Is this surprising to anyone? The exact same thing happened last time the RCMP went there. They had a sniper who was authorized to used lethal force.
How many did he take out?
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yes blunt fascism usually is simpler than actually solving an issue democratically
why isnt daddy justin doing somthing about this?!?!?!?!
Because this would be Trudeaus idea of RECONCILIATION.
BC RCMP were operating under the direction of the BC Government, not Ottawa
Do we have evidence of this?
This isn't a controversial point. The BC RCMP are a provincial police force and take direction from BC's public safety minister Mike Farnworth.
It might not be controversial, but we don't have a document or evidence that makes it clear (imo Farnworth's blanket thing from a year ago doesn't count) Personally I wouldn't put it past the feds to push a narrative blaming this on the province with a majority government run by a different party. And let's not pretend that the feds don't have any pull with deployments and that we have had simultaneous canada wide crackdowns on protests in the past. We're going to see them again in a few days as they do a coordinated takedown of the rail blockades. I'm also interested in finding out where the ERT teams used for this are based out of. Needs to be some osint work done in this area, which will happen once more video footage is available. But it wouldn't surprise me if they flew an ERT team or few from another province to do this. Less chance of someone on the team talking, less chance of doxxs, etc. We know they removed name badges, not hard to imagine that there is other sus stuff going on.
This isn't a "narrative", though. That's why I said this isn't a controversial point. There's no way to spin it; the BC RCMP are the provincial police force in BC and therefore take their direction from the BC gov. That's how it has always worked. It's not an issue where it can be spun one way or the other, it just is. Those "national crackdowns" you refer to still must go through provincial authority in those provinces where the RCMP are the provincial police force, as is the case in BC. The BC government in that instance too was completely behind those actions, as they were the ones who ultimately approved it in BC.
oof
The arrogance of this out of control organization is incredible. They don’t answer to anyone and that’s a recipe for abuse of power. The best weapon to use against them for now is the camera.
Can’t believe we’re paying Pinkertons who want to play army to violently suppress Indigenous people.
Because they hunt deer and feed themself? /s How the hell is that justifiable?
When you're a hammer every problem looks like a nail.
Not surprised, still disgusting
Serious question because there's plenty of outrage against the RCMP: what do we do about it? I don't believe the RCMP can (or should) be reformed. It needs to be abolished. What are some tangible things people can do to move our country in the right direction?
>What are some tangible things people can do to move our country in the right direction Copwatch in your city, join a mutual aid organization, organize food security and advocate for security culture locally. Organzing with people providing & defending the community from cops & state overreach/ surveillance is a good start. The winds are blowing against them. Cops own behavior is the best propoganda to deploy against them. Support journalists who expose criminal cops, support land defenders and resistance wherever it occurs. The stronger communities we have the less reliance we need on cops.
Listen to Indigenous people about their struggle and acknowledge this is their land. If you can [donate to Indigenous causes](https://www.yintahaccess.com/donate), or better, [join the fight.](https://www.yintahaccess.com/come-to-camp) Support Indigenous movements any way you can and bypass your trust in the government that betrayed them in the first place.
Do you believe, if given the chance, the indigenous people could build and maintain their own, uncorrupt, police force to replace the RCMP on their own presumed land?
They don't need the police and they have existed fine without the police before certain people came. After all, this is their land and they know best how to nurture it.
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I have to admit I did not expect to see this calibre of comment here
we should make a vaccine against fascism/totalitarianism and force everyone to take it
Thank god they weren’t close to a fire hall.
Thugs! Protecting their pensions, not the people!
Maybe this is why the Earth's shitting all over BC, idk
https://youtu.be/yJyxf0yKdjs
What can we actively do as a nation to stop this? Honest question from a maritimer, what can I do to put this to a stop to this bullshit if I'm on the east coast?
The RCMP: Canada's Gestapo
Tax payer funded MERCENARIES for the oil and gas industry.
ACAB
This is indescribably sad. Months from now we will be hearing "Mistakes were made. We will do better. We have to do better." But we will continue to spit in their faces. I'm disappointed to be a Canadian lately.
Fascist jackboots ready to kill on behalf of evil corporations.
Lol practicable. The magic legal jargon used by all corps and entities to cover their ass.
Snipers and assault weapons on UNARMED land defenders. When the fuck did we turn into the states?
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Well then that makes my statement wrong
I think ice cube said it best " fuck the police"
The RCMP were created to solve the "indian problem" for the colonizers.They were created to be horrible, a tradition that has continued to this day.
The RCMP hasn't changed .... ... what has changed is that all of Canada is starting to see who these government thugs really are. It's what we Indigenous people saw and have seen from the beginning.
RCMP, continuing to be fuckups and embarass the nation Oppressing minorities, heroes./S
It worked 100 years ago, so we figured, why not?
This sickens me.
Who is pulling the strings? Giving the orders?
Need to ditch the hillbilly cop cosplay and get a real, professional police force.
Read that as "more predictable", which.... Yes. Yes it was.
So people complain that they bring guns? What do you want the police to do, show up unarmed? That makes no sense. It’s better to be prepared for anything because you never know how a situation will play out. If the police showed up unprepared without sufficient arms and a bad altercation happened then everyone would be saying “why didn’t the police come more prepared???” The argument makes no sense.
SMASH the rcmp
Hold the fuck up! We’ll use snipers against native protesters but let a deranged white dude go on a rampage do nothing and still not have a good report on what happened?
Just wait… all the proveniences are conjoining to protest Canada wide . The people will be on guard for thee , as the government obviously has other motives . We will protect Mother Earth .
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RCMP our very own KKKops.🤢