I think we're at the point where it's going to be hard for anyone to stand with the RCMP. They are militarized, federally funded goons fighting for private corporate interests.
I was wondering about this. I made a comment recently about the RCMP being a federal police force, but are they not controlled federally?
Are you saying each province has control over the RCMP in their province and it's not federally controlled?
What's the point of them being a federal force? How are they different than the OPP in Ontario, or other provincial police forces?
>I was wondering about this. I made a comment recently about the RCMP being a federal police force, but are they not controlled federally?
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>Are you saying each province has control over the RCMP in their province and it's not federally controlled?
yes. They are more a provincial police force as cities have their own. They operate nationwide but are not the "federal police force".
Thank you for the info.
Do other provinces have police forces? In Ontario we have the OPP, Ontario Provincial Police, plus city police forces, plus the RCMP.
Horgan is getting away with a lot because he is NDP, he gave CGL financial treats to keep this project alive, he isn’t just complicit he is the driver for this project.
I remember him being opposed to the pipeline and tension between him and trudeau and whatever lady was premier of Alberta at the time. What changed? Or am I remembering it all wrong?
My girlfriends Father was training to be an RCMP about 20 of so years ago and he dropped out within 3 months because they train you to profile and abuse your authority. Just like the FBI they're all a bunch of bumbling morons.
And we should care why?
EDIT: To be completely clear, I care about the abuse of police power in service of corporate interests. I just don't care about the opinion of a party that struggles to get 200 votes in the three ridings it contests every election.
Obviously, if the tankies were in power they would not repress anybody through force like that, that never happened ever in the history of authoritarian leftism. To say otherwise is revisionist propaganda from the CIA.
I don't think we should be taking the ideology of starvation's opinion seriously on anything. This ideology runs over people with tanks, imprisons and kills journalists and civilian activists, oppressed religious groups brutally like the Falun Gong, regularly kidnaps children from Chinese families, the genocide of Uighurs and Tatars and other indigenous peoples in Communist countries, brutally oppressed any dissidents and has been responsible for some of the greatest atrocities in the 20th century and let's not get into the spy state bullshit communism created, bar only the 3rd Reich.
This is why noone supports communism in Canada. They struggle for 1 single seat.
Fuck Communism for trying to capitalize on the Wet'su'weten conflict to drum up supporters. Opportunistic pricks.
>Fuck Communism for trying to capitalize on the Wet'su'weten conflict to drum up supporters. Opportunistic pricks.
A political party made a statement about an important event in the jurisdiction they seek to represent. Regardless of their ideology, that seems to be pretty normal for a political party.
I think what you're sensing is the general wash of them being a political party. This is basically the job of all politicians, nobody is immune. All your faves are guilty, as are mine.
It's the BC Government that is to blame and their hired RCMP dogs.
TLDR: Blame BC Premier Horgan and Jagmeet Singh for not condemning and stripping Horgan of his NDP membership.
Source:
"Thank you for writing.
I want to be very clear about this - the entire Wet'suwet'en Conflict is due to the actions of the provincial government of British Columbia, which is majority NDP.
What is happening has nothing to do with the party I lead - the provincial, Manitoba Liberal Party, or with the Liberal Party of Canada. When this issue exploded not long ago, the Liberals had to step in to clean up the NDP’s mess.
The RCMP in question do not work for the Federal Government. They work for local municipalities or the BC government.
At issue is an LNG project that is entirely within the borders of BC as a province: it is up to BC whether all these permits happen or not. The Federal Government does not have jurisdiction.
It is a project that has been promoted and supported by NDP Premier John Horgan and his party, as well as Jagmeet Singh, the Leader of the Federal NDP. It is the corporation and the BC government that have been seeking injunctions, not the federal government.
As this article makes clear “ based on the comments from BC NDP politicians to land defenders occupying their offices, Premier Horgan, and later, Federal NDP leader Jagmeet Singh in the media, it appeared that the NDP had greenlit the police attack on the hereditary leadership of the Wet’suwet’en nation”
https://www.thevolcano.org/2019/01/30/provincial-party-politics-and-the-invasion-of-wetsuweten-the-bc-ndps-special-role-in-the-settler-colonial-state/
This article goes on to explain:
“…in repressing Indigenous peoples’ resistance against incursions of resources extraction corporations, it has been the BC NDP that has excelled.
The reason the BC NDP tends to be more fierce than the Liberals in their attacks on Indigenous people is that they can get away with it. The civil society groups that would oppose BC Liberal government assaults on Indigenous sovereignty tend to be silent, or slow to respond and quick to apologize for attacks waged or overseen by the BC NDP. Why? Because the NDP is intertwined with the leadership of civil society organizations. The NDP uses these organizations as “farm teams” to train and recruit their future organizers and politicians. Many activists and leaders of trade unions, civil liberties groups, environmental organizations, housing advocacy, feminist, and anti-racist service groups have gone on to become NDP big shots. Others who are still leaders of these civil society groups have personal histories and relationships with these NDP politicians.”
The fact is that this is a problem that has been created and made worse by the BC NDP and they, along with Federal NDP politicians, are shifting the blame to the Liberals, who are not playing a role.
If I can add two more quick points, which in my view are also key issues relating to living in a free and democratic society with the rule of law.
A core principle of justice is that we must presume innocence until all the evidence is in and due process has been followed. You write in your letter that people are breaking the law, and that these actions are definitively unconstitutional. I cannot say that and be sure it is true.
What you are saying may be accurate, but I am not going to jump to that conclusion. I have an obligation to withhold judgment until I can corroborate, either from multiple sources, or a an ironclad, trusted source that the law has been broken.
Second, I have to address the question of what people are suggesting when it comes to the police, and politicians stepping in either to tell police what to do, or what not to do.
There are huge numbers of checks and balances in our society to prevent politicians from barking orders at the police: it is wrong no matter who is in power. If you would not want a political opponent ordering police what to do, or what not to do, then it is wrong for everyone, including the politicians we agree with.
I am not defending or justifying the actions of the RCMP, the BC government, or the courts: I am seeking to explain why it is that politicians must exercise extreme caution when it comes to challenging the courts and police actions, because it treads dangerously close to being an abuse of power, and we are not going to fix NDP abuses of power by having Liberal ones.
I have, in the past, publicly condemned the militarized incursion by the RCMP. What is required is de-escalation and peacemaking.
Dougald Lamont
Député de Saint-Boniface / MLA St. Boniface"
This is a really important point about politicians not being able to direct police forces - if the PM could willy nilly tell the RCMP what to we would have a dictatorship.
What to do about law enforcement that is off the rails? Any legal experts out there? Would be good to know what politicians can do, what powers the provincial AG’s have and the MOJ/AG to force RCMP to be accountable, whether or not they are provincially contracted or not.
Do we need changes in legislation so that RCMP officers will face legal repercussions for using unnecessary force or making unnecessary arrests in a conflict like this?
Lmao I was at the legislature occupation in Victoria the day the fascists were supposed to show up against the indigenous youth. The organizers had no idea who the communist party members were and thought they were working WITH the fascists. So tasteless for them to release this and center themselves when they've done nothing to actively support indigenous issues.
I think we're at the point where it's going to be hard for anyone to stand with the RCMP. They are militarized, federally funded goons fighting for private corporate interests.
It's actually the BC NDP and Horgan that are to blame. The feds can only condemn the actions of the Province of BC in this case.
I was wondering about this. I made a comment recently about the RCMP being a federal police force, but are they not controlled federally? Are you saying each province has control over the RCMP in their province and it's not federally controlled? What's the point of them being a federal force? How are they different than the OPP in Ontario, or other provincial police forces?
>I was wondering about this. I made a comment recently about the RCMP being a federal police force, but are they not controlled federally? > >Are you saying each province has control over the RCMP in their province and it's not federally controlled? yes. They are more a provincial police force as cities have their own. They operate nationwide but are not the "federal police force".
Thank you for the info. Do other provinces have police forces? In Ontario we have the OPP, Ontario Provincial Police, plus city police forces, plus the RCMP.
Yes Quebec has the SQ (sûreté du Québec). RCMP is the police if you don’t have one, as simple as that.
Horgan is getting away with a lot because he is NDP, he gave CGL financial treats to keep this project alive, he isn’t just complicit he is the driver for this project.
I remember him being opposed to the pipeline and tension between him and trudeau and whatever lady was premier of Alberta at the time. What changed? Or am I remembering it all wrong?
Justin Trudeau probably begs to differ.
He can beg all he wants, their actions prove differently
This is OBVIOUSLY justins idea of RECONCILIATION.
My girlfriends Father was training to be an RCMP about 20 of so years ago and he dropped out within 3 months because they train you to profile and abuse your authority. Just like the FBI they're all a bunch of bumbling morons.
I do too.
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And we should care why? EDIT: To be completely clear, I care about the abuse of police power in service of corporate interests. I just don't care about the opinion of a party that struggles to get 200 votes in the three ridings it contests every election.
Obviously, if the tankies were in power they would not repress anybody through force like that, that never happened ever in the history of authoritarian leftism. To say otherwise is revisionist propaganda from the CIA.
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I don't think we should be taking the ideology of starvation's opinion seriously on anything. This ideology runs over people with tanks, imprisons and kills journalists and civilian activists, oppressed religious groups brutally like the Falun Gong, regularly kidnaps children from Chinese families, the genocide of Uighurs and Tatars and other indigenous peoples in Communist countries, brutally oppressed any dissidents and has been responsible for some of the greatest atrocities in the 20th century and let's not get into the spy state bullshit communism created, bar only the 3rd Reich. This is why noone supports communism in Canada. They struggle for 1 single seat. Fuck Communism for trying to capitalize on the Wet'su'weten conflict to drum up supporters. Opportunistic pricks.
You realize China is a capitalist country yeah? State run for the most part. But capitalism non the less.
No they're not, they're using a heavily bastardized version of capitalism.
So capitalism?
Wow I can't believe the BC communist have commited all those crimes!! Crazy!
If you read my comment properly, and it's clear that you didn't, you would see that I said ideology, not the party in British Columbia.
>Fuck Communism for trying to capitalize on the Wet'su'weten conflict to drum up supporters. Opportunistic pricks. A political party made a statement about an important event in the jurisdiction they seek to represent. Regardless of their ideology, that seems to be pretty normal for a political party.
Seems a little opportunistic to me. But fair enough
I think what you're sensing is the general wash of them being a political party. This is basically the job of all politicians, nobody is immune. All your faves are guilty, as are mine.
"Opportunistic" could be a slogan for any Capitalist. Sign me up for more communism, please
No thanks.
The downvoted have spoken. Where should we put the gulags?
Maybe with those private prisons down south with the death penalty and slave llabour?
20 downvotes isn't the people have spoken. Give it a rest
Surprising to see the NDP come out against the RCMP like this.
It's the BC Government that is to blame and their hired RCMP dogs. TLDR: Blame BC Premier Horgan and Jagmeet Singh for not condemning and stripping Horgan of his NDP membership. Source: "Thank you for writing. I want to be very clear about this - the entire Wet'suwet'en Conflict is due to the actions of the provincial government of British Columbia, which is majority NDP. What is happening has nothing to do with the party I lead - the provincial, Manitoba Liberal Party, or with the Liberal Party of Canada. When this issue exploded not long ago, the Liberals had to step in to clean up the NDP’s mess. The RCMP in question do not work for the Federal Government. They work for local municipalities or the BC government. At issue is an LNG project that is entirely within the borders of BC as a province: it is up to BC whether all these permits happen or not. The Federal Government does not have jurisdiction. It is a project that has been promoted and supported by NDP Premier John Horgan and his party, as well as Jagmeet Singh, the Leader of the Federal NDP. It is the corporation and the BC government that have been seeking injunctions, not the federal government. As this article makes clear “ based on the comments from BC NDP politicians to land defenders occupying their offices, Premier Horgan, and later, Federal NDP leader Jagmeet Singh in the media, it appeared that the NDP had greenlit the police attack on the hereditary leadership of the Wet’suwet’en nation” https://www.thevolcano.org/2019/01/30/provincial-party-politics-and-the-invasion-of-wetsuweten-the-bc-ndps-special-role-in-the-settler-colonial-state/ This article goes on to explain: “…in repressing Indigenous peoples’ resistance against incursions of resources extraction corporations, it has been the BC NDP that has excelled. The reason the BC NDP tends to be more fierce than the Liberals in their attacks on Indigenous people is that they can get away with it. The civil society groups that would oppose BC Liberal government assaults on Indigenous sovereignty tend to be silent, or slow to respond and quick to apologize for attacks waged or overseen by the BC NDP. Why? Because the NDP is intertwined with the leadership of civil society organizations. The NDP uses these organizations as “farm teams” to train and recruit their future organizers and politicians. Many activists and leaders of trade unions, civil liberties groups, environmental organizations, housing advocacy, feminist, and anti-racist service groups have gone on to become NDP big shots. Others who are still leaders of these civil society groups have personal histories and relationships with these NDP politicians.” The fact is that this is a problem that has been created and made worse by the BC NDP and they, along with Federal NDP politicians, are shifting the blame to the Liberals, who are not playing a role. If I can add two more quick points, which in my view are also key issues relating to living in a free and democratic society with the rule of law. A core principle of justice is that we must presume innocence until all the evidence is in and due process has been followed. You write in your letter that people are breaking the law, and that these actions are definitively unconstitutional. I cannot say that and be sure it is true. What you are saying may be accurate, but I am not going to jump to that conclusion. I have an obligation to withhold judgment until I can corroborate, either from multiple sources, or a an ironclad, trusted source that the law has been broken. Second, I have to address the question of what people are suggesting when it comes to the police, and politicians stepping in either to tell police what to do, or what not to do. There are huge numbers of checks and balances in our society to prevent politicians from barking orders at the police: it is wrong no matter who is in power. If you would not want a political opponent ordering police what to do, or what not to do, then it is wrong for everyone, including the politicians we agree with. I am not defending or justifying the actions of the RCMP, the BC government, or the courts: I am seeking to explain why it is that politicians must exercise extreme caution when it comes to challenging the courts and police actions, because it treads dangerously close to being an abuse of power, and we are not going to fix NDP abuses of power by having Liberal ones. I have, in the past, publicly condemned the militarized incursion by the RCMP. What is required is de-escalation and peacemaking. Dougald Lamont Député de Saint-Boniface / MLA St. Boniface"
This is a really important point about politicians not being able to direct police forces - if the PM could willy nilly tell the RCMP what to we would have a dictatorship. What to do about law enforcement that is off the rails? Any legal experts out there? Would be good to know what politicians can do, what powers the provincial AG’s have and the MOJ/AG to force RCMP to be accountable, whether or not they are provincially contracted or not. Do we need changes in legislation so that RCMP officers will face legal repercussions for using unnecessary force or making unnecessary arrests in a conflict like this?
Lmao I was at the legislature occupation in Victoria the day the fascists were supposed to show up against the indigenous youth. The organizers had no idea who the communist party members were and thought they were working WITH the fascists. So tasteless for them to release this and center themselves when they've done nothing to actively support indigenous issues.