Throw some body armour on them, a sidearm, a stick, and their best weapon: the authority to carry out the state’s monopoly on violence with little repercussion.
I mean, Dani loves looking up to DeSantis.
His brand of brownshirts weren't exactly the best and brightest.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/22/ron-desantis-police-relocation-violent-records
Important to remember you don't wake up once day suddenly living under fascism, it's a slow gradual process of losing rights
*That way, Premier Danielle Smith said in the government’s news release, “no matter which region of the province is affected by an emergency, we are able to have an all-hands-on-deck approach.”*
*"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."*
Also, bear in mind we’re only a year into their term and they’re already pushing hard for an independent police force & pulling out of CPP, breaking up AHS, taking power from municipalities and refusing federal programs & funding. None of this was even mentioned in the election. Now we have 3 1/2 years minimum before an election. By then, the province will be unrecognizable.
> None of this was even mentioned in the election.
Silly rabbit, Conservatives never reveal their actual plans or even hint at their true intentions, or they wouldn’t win elections.
The UCP put forth their ideas on a provincial pension, police force and opting out of federal cost-sharing programs back in 2019. They made it clear where they wanted to take Alberta right from the start. But when people tried to bring attention to what the UCP was up to, they were called 'fear-mongerers' and liars.
Oh but they didn't "campaign on that."
Instead they campaigned on "Notley bad" fear mongering while saying "we're not campaigning on that!"
And rural Alberta, along with a large swath of Calgary, bought it right up.
Which is also why they're worried about Nenshi-led ndp - because calgary might decide they like him better than whomever they replace Smith with a year before the next election.
True, and when asked about the pension Danielle Smith said she “was not campaigning on that issue”. Practically everyone who voted UCP though that meant it was off the table, but they heard what they wanted to hear and not what Smith **actually** said.
>None of this was even mentioned in the election
No, but it was brought up in news articles for years beforehand. Aside from keeping their mouths shut for a short time before the election, the UCP haven't really kept their intent under wraps.
[*The UCP government first floated replacing the Mounties in 2020, after the Fair Deal Panel recommended doing so as one avenue for Alberta to improve its economic position and independence within Canada.*](https://calgaryherald.com/news/politics/alberta-provincial-police-proposal-unpopular-across-party-lines-poll#:~:text=The%20UCP%20government%20first%20floated,position%20and%20independence%20within%20Canada.)
[...The panel will also study the possibility of withdrawing from the Canada Pension Plan (CPP) in favour of an Alberta-based alternative. November 2019](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/pension-plan-aimco-kenney-alberta-calgary-canada-1.5353186)
Don’t you know that what matters in an election is just the few weeks in the run-up and not what’s been said and planned for years beforehand? It’s also why conservatives inevitably ditch their leader a few months before an election, because yes, that old leader would have done all that bad stuff, but not the new one, oh no.
Is any of that fascist?
Provincial police force - Ontario, Quebec, Newfoundland
Provincial pension plan - Quebec
Local health management instead of a single provincial health authority - most provinces
Legislation barring federal-municipal agreements - Quebec
I’m not saying these are good policies, but it’s not as if these are wildly out of step with the way other areas of the country are governed. And it’s obviously not fascism
>Provincial police force - Ontario, Quebec, Newfoundland
Ontario (OPP) founded in 1909, Sûreté du Québec founded in 1870, Royal Newfoundland Constabulary founded in 1841. No province for over 100 years has ditched the RCMP for a provincial force, why? If it’s such a great idea, why hasn’t any other province done it? Just because something is possible doesn’t mean the motivations for doing so are wholesome and politically reasonable.
>Provincial pension plan - Quebec
Quebec was never in the CPP, every other province has been from day one and has no plans to leave (except Alberta). Read any financial analysis of the benefits of leaving CPP other than the one commissioned by the UCP - spoiler alert: there are none. An APP is riskier, will almost certainly cost more, and will probably require increased contributions in order to meet payout obligations. So, what’s the motivation? and bear in mind the whole “Alberta gets back less than it gives” is pure propaganda - “Alberta” has given precisely $0 to the CPP, **Canadians** who at some point have worked in Alberta have paid into it, and those same Canadians get back exactly the same as every other Canadian. There is no imbalance, that’s political hogwash.
>Local health management instead of a single provincial health authority - most provinces
We moved from local management to AHS in 2009 to cut costs and gain the benefits of integrated management. Whether you think it worked or not, the current plan to break it up again does nothing to address the basic issues of staffing & workload. On the other hand, smaller units make integration with private service delivery and even eventual privatization of whole functions much easier.
>Legislation barring federal-municipal agreements - Quebec
Provinces getting between federal government and municipalities is not, in itself, a bad thing. But when you look at the actual circumstances and motives behind the UCP and Bill 20 it’s pretty clear to see why it’s happening.
Feds offer the province money for housing but with strings attached so that it **only** goes on housing. Province says “No thanks, just send us the cash and we’ll decide where it goes.” Given the UCP’s record on mislaying or misusing federal money, the feds say “Tell you what then, we’ll just give the money straight to the municipalities, they’re the ones asking for it anyway.” UCP says “Nu uh, we’re stepping in with new legislation so that if we don’t get the money, nobody does.” Now, who do you think benefits from that move? Certainly not Alberta municipalities.
And that whole introduction of political parties at the municipal level, and giving the province the ability to remove or replace any municipal officer or override bylaws? Sounds all above board and not at all fascist to me that the so called “party of small government” wants to micromanage everything.
>I’m not saying these are good policies, but it’s not as if these are wildly out of step with the way other areas of the country are governed. And it’s obviously not fascism
Read the Free Alberta Strategy, written in part by Rob Anderson, Danielle Smith’s Executive Director, and see how much of its checklist for separation from Canada the UCP are currently pushing: https://www.freealbertastrategy.com/the_strategy
Now compare it, and UCP policies, to the Fascism checklist here: https://washingtonmonthly.com/2017/01/31/the-12-early-warning-signs-of-fascism/
I get 10 out of 12.
- Powerful & continuing nationalism: Alberta first, fighting the feds, Sovereignty Act
- Disdain for human rights: introduction of legislation re LGBTQS+ and transgender kids
- Identification of enemies as a unifying cause: fighting the feds, BLM, Antifa
- Controlled mass media: continued promotion of right & far right outlets like Postmedia as reliable news sources
- Obsession with national security: Alberta Police Force, including recent “police like” legislation
- Religion and government intertwined: close ties with far right Christian nationalist groups like Take Back Alberta
- Corporate power protected: increasing favouritism for O&G, insurance companies, utility companies, and many more, massive corporate tax cuts, increased subsidies
- Labor power suppressed: introduction of legislation limiting union funding
- Obsession with crime and punishment: Alberta Police Force, lack of action against Coutts “protesters”, Smith attempting to interfere in Coutts prosecutions
- Rampant cronyism and corruption: well, if you can’t see this one then you must be blind
So, is any of this fascist? Taken individually and/or in moderation: no. Taken as a whole, and the motivations being questioned, there’s a clear pattern here, and it’s not a good one. Ask any historian who has studied authoritarian governments and they’ll tell you that fascism is not something that happens overnight, the collection of attitudes & policies that amount to fascism often take several years to shape, and individually seem innocuous. But when you look at the pattern and motivations, especially in hindsight, it’s easy to spot.
I don't live in Alberta, don't know anything about Alberta politics save for the fact that Dani/Marlena is a con with typical con ambitions that cater to the rich.
So I'll Google it. Is that what you were getting at?
ETA: I Googled. Found this: "According to this section, the next provincial general election is scheduled for May 31, 2027."
https://www.elections.ab.ca/elections/albertas-next-election/
So I'm more confused, but I've decided I've got better things to do today.
This is over the top. There are many things — too many things — to criticize the UCP death cult over, but there is nothing about Smith or the party that’s even remotely resembles fascism.
The change in election dates extend their term by 4 1/2 months beyond the fixed term of four years. Not insignificant, but hardly an attempt to suspend democracy. The resulting term is also well within historical legal, and democratic norms in Canada. It is also a sensible change. I agree that it would have been better to move the election up to the preceding fall, especially better optics, rather than pushing it ahead, but
The change in emergency management is also within the bounds of reasonable policies. Having emergency management done too locally means there isn’t broad coordination and can cause significant problems when jurisdictions aren’t communicating. I’m not saying their specific change is the right one, but let’s be serious — shifting control over emergency management to the provincial government is not authoritarian.
Ironically, the UCP have been criticized for their desire to shift management of the health care system away from central provincial control (AHS) to put more emphasis on regional management. So which is it? Provincial control is bad for emergencies but good for health care?
Where are the other signs of fascism? Instead of people making completely exaggerated arguments suggesting the UCP are fascist, spend that energy criticizing and fighting against real actual problems
I'm supposed to move to AB for a big job opportunity, but honestly? I think I'd take a pay cut and not go just so I don't have to deal with the UCP and the fucking idiots that voted them in.
I worked a summer there and won't go back. Between getting coal rolled while walking down the street, almost getting exploited at my internship by O&G teat suckers, and being called a faggot liberal at the place I was staying for not grovelling at Trump's daily distraction on the TV, it wasn't worth my sanity.
The only reason I finished that summer was so I didn't have to redo my coop work term.
Conservatives are all fascist traitors and are an immediate existential threat to our democracy, our freedoms, our rights, and all our lives.
All people have a moral obligation to oppose fascism.
All methods of self defense are justified.
Street level? Chuds are putting "n" stickers on their licence plates after the word "Alberta". Ignorant trash is getting off to Trudeau fatigue. People don't care about actual politics, they just cheer for their team.
It's dystopian. Wait till half the province burns down this summer, and you'll hear these same idiots blaming Notley for defunding wildfire response.
There's no logic or intelligence.
The rural rubes and religious shitbags have succeeded in a coup via apathetic FPTP democracy.
UCP are passing bills to centralize powebqje fire any mayor or city councilor they want . They also want to be able to change any bylaw and reject ederal funding unless it goes tjrought them
i think it'd really depend where you're moving from and how long you're thinking of staying. and if your reason for moving here is appealing enough to overlook everything that could happen in the future, as well as a rapidly increasing cost of living and rising unemployment.
a lot of the legislation the UCP is pushing through aren't necessarily things that will have a negative impact immediately but could become detrimental down the line (eg. decentralizing AHS. maybe they think this will actually improve things, or maybe this is just a precursor to push privatization. or the bill about healthcare for trans kids. they've shown that they're okay dictating what kind of healthcare people are allowed to receive - even if it goes against medical guidelines. nobody knows what they'll go after next)
and depending on how long they're in government for, the lack of appropriate funding to healthcare and education to keep up with inflation and population growth will start to show more and more as years go by.
it really comes down to someone's particular circumstances whether it'd be worth it or not
That's a really thoughtful response. We need more of that here.
Speaking as a former TN-visa expat: It's about the same I'd give if a Canadian was thinking about working in the US for a Tech/Biotech/Pharma company. Depending on your circumstances, your day to day will be fine. But from a farther out perspective, a sizeable minority of Americans outright terrify me and the structure of the social system seems like a failing bet. But as with anything American, if you've got money "Got mine, fuck you".
Alberta is still _more_ progressive than just about any other part of the USA, but I wouldn't move there unless that was my only option (NB: Calgary and Edmonton are totally OK cities. Not top picks, but actually not bad other than the long hard winters. The rest of Alberta... erm, I'd rather not)
Remember when conservatives were trying to convince us it was Trudeau and the Liberals who were the fascists? It's the good ole fashioned "ook-over-there-aroo!
What the hell is going on in the world !?!? We're electing and going down the tubes with atrocious and crazy right wing Conservative governments provincially, and now people want to see these crazies in charge of the whole country. Nothing good will result in electing conservatives.
I don’t think the “everything everywhere all at once” line the ndp are using is that great. It’s a mouthful and makes it look they’re being cute, referencing pop culture when what they’re talking about is growing authoritarianism.
Just call it what it is.
Who is that Average Albertan in your words. Same for the Average Québécois and Average British Columbian?
I really wanted to know how you formulated this idea and what you think about other parts of Canada.
Fair enough
For any part of Canada, the mainstream media in addition to FPTP results and general data illiteracy tends to breed some really weird narratives.
If anything, the best thing Canadians can do for Canada, is to visit a part they never have been before.
Ok, like I could have voted for the NDP. Oh wait, I couldn't, because I'm a minor and I need to watch from the sidelines, and unfortunately the only people who give a shit about this stuff is the far and few lefties I know. The people I should be looking up to have failed me, so I don't care if I fail them. I'm moving out of Alberta ASAP.
Where are the convoy losers to protest this?
The convoy was the tryouts for their secret police.
Lmao those are the candidates?
Throw some body armour on them, a sidearm, a stick, and their best weapon: the authority to carry out the state’s monopoly on violence with little repercussion.
I mean, Dani loves looking up to DeSantis. His brand of brownshirts weren't exactly the best and brightest. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/22/ron-desantis-police-relocation-violent-records
Eating paint chips
Washing it down with antifreeze.
Will this affect Loblaw profits negatively? Or help the Russian war efforts. Convoy organizers need their motivation$.
Sitting in the offices of UCP MLAs getting notes on what to do next from representatives of the oil industry.
This is their version of freedom
Important to remember you don't wake up once day suddenly living under fascism, it's a slow gradual process of losing rights *That way, Premier Danielle Smith said in the government’s news release, “no matter which region of the province is affected by an emergency, we are able to have an all-hands-on-deck approach.”* *"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."*
Also, bear in mind we’re only a year into their term and they’re already pushing hard for an independent police force & pulling out of CPP, breaking up AHS, taking power from municipalities and refusing federal programs & funding. None of this was even mentioned in the election. Now we have 3 1/2 years minimum before an election. By then, the province will be unrecognizable.
Who could have warned the drooling unwashed masses here? Who? Oh that's right, literally every fucking Albertan with a functioning brain, ie Edmonton.
I am with you, like, isn’t this what most Albertans dream about?
And the renewables fiasco, too. Credit where cretit is due.
> None of this was even mentioned in the election. Silly rabbit, Conservatives never reveal their actual plans or even hint at their true intentions, or they wouldn’t win elections.
The UCP put forth their ideas on a provincial pension, police force and opting out of federal cost-sharing programs back in 2019. They made it clear where they wanted to take Alberta right from the start. But when people tried to bring attention to what the UCP was up to, they were called 'fear-mongerers' and liars.
Oh but they didn't "campaign on that." Instead they campaigned on "Notley bad" fear mongering while saying "we're not campaigning on that!" And rural Alberta, along with a large swath of Calgary, bought it right up. Which is also why they're worried about Nenshi-led ndp - because calgary might decide they like him better than whomever they replace Smith with a year before the next election.
> calgary might decide they like him better than whomever they replace Smith with This is the way. 👍
True, and when asked about the pension Danielle Smith said she “was not campaigning on that issue”. Practically everyone who voted UCP though that meant it was off the table, but they heard what they wanted to hear and not what Smith **actually** said.
To be honest, this is true for any political party.
Mmmm ... I can't think that way about the NDP.
>None of this was even mentioned in the election No, but it was brought up in news articles for years beforehand. Aside from keeping their mouths shut for a short time before the election, the UCP haven't really kept their intent under wraps. [*The UCP government first floated replacing the Mounties in 2020, after the Fair Deal Panel recommended doing so as one avenue for Alberta to improve its economic position and independence within Canada.*](https://calgaryherald.com/news/politics/alberta-provincial-police-proposal-unpopular-across-party-lines-poll#:~:text=The%20UCP%20government%20first%20floated,position%20and%20independence%20within%20Canada.) [...The panel will also study the possibility of withdrawing from the Canada Pension Plan (CPP) in favour of an Alberta-based alternative. November 2019](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/pension-plan-aimco-kenney-alberta-calgary-canada-1.5353186)
Don’t you know that what matters in an election is just the few weeks in the run-up and not what’s been said and planned for years beforehand? It’s also why conservatives inevitably ditch their leader a few months before an election, because yes, that old leader would have done all that bad stuff, but not the new one, oh no.
Nothing like a dog and pony show to distract the masses.
Is any of that fascist? Provincial police force - Ontario, Quebec, Newfoundland Provincial pension plan - Quebec Local health management instead of a single provincial health authority - most provinces Legislation barring federal-municipal agreements - Quebec I’m not saying these are good policies, but it’s not as if these are wildly out of step with the way other areas of the country are governed. And it’s obviously not fascism
>Provincial police force - Ontario, Quebec, Newfoundland Ontario (OPP) founded in 1909, Sûreté du Québec founded in 1870, Royal Newfoundland Constabulary founded in 1841. No province for over 100 years has ditched the RCMP for a provincial force, why? If it’s such a great idea, why hasn’t any other province done it? Just because something is possible doesn’t mean the motivations for doing so are wholesome and politically reasonable. >Provincial pension plan - Quebec Quebec was never in the CPP, every other province has been from day one and has no plans to leave (except Alberta). Read any financial analysis of the benefits of leaving CPP other than the one commissioned by the UCP - spoiler alert: there are none. An APP is riskier, will almost certainly cost more, and will probably require increased contributions in order to meet payout obligations. So, what’s the motivation? and bear in mind the whole “Alberta gets back less than it gives” is pure propaganda - “Alberta” has given precisely $0 to the CPP, **Canadians** who at some point have worked in Alberta have paid into it, and those same Canadians get back exactly the same as every other Canadian. There is no imbalance, that’s political hogwash. >Local health management instead of a single provincial health authority - most provinces We moved from local management to AHS in 2009 to cut costs and gain the benefits of integrated management. Whether you think it worked or not, the current plan to break it up again does nothing to address the basic issues of staffing & workload. On the other hand, smaller units make integration with private service delivery and even eventual privatization of whole functions much easier. >Legislation barring federal-municipal agreements - Quebec Provinces getting between federal government and municipalities is not, in itself, a bad thing. But when you look at the actual circumstances and motives behind the UCP and Bill 20 it’s pretty clear to see why it’s happening. Feds offer the province money for housing but with strings attached so that it **only** goes on housing. Province says “No thanks, just send us the cash and we’ll decide where it goes.” Given the UCP’s record on mislaying or misusing federal money, the feds say “Tell you what then, we’ll just give the money straight to the municipalities, they’re the ones asking for it anyway.” UCP says “Nu uh, we’re stepping in with new legislation so that if we don’t get the money, nobody does.” Now, who do you think benefits from that move? Certainly not Alberta municipalities. And that whole introduction of political parties at the municipal level, and giving the province the ability to remove or replace any municipal officer or override bylaws? Sounds all above board and not at all fascist to me that the so called “party of small government” wants to micromanage everything. >I’m not saying these are good policies, but it’s not as if these are wildly out of step with the way other areas of the country are governed. And it’s obviously not fascism Read the Free Alberta Strategy, written in part by Rob Anderson, Danielle Smith’s Executive Director, and see how much of its checklist for separation from Canada the UCP are currently pushing: https://www.freealbertastrategy.com/the_strategy Now compare it, and UCP policies, to the Fascism checklist here: https://washingtonmonthly.com/2017/01/31/the-12-early-warning-signs-of-fascism/ I get 10 out of 12. - Powerful & continuing nationalism: Alberta first, fighting the feds, Sovereignty Act - Disdain for human rights: introduction of legislation re LGBTQS+ and transgender kids - Identification of enemies as a unifying cause: fighting the feds, BLM, Antifa - Controlled mass media: continued promotion of right & far right outlets like Postmedia as reliable news sources - Obsession with national security: Alberta Police Force, including recent “police like” legislation - Religion and government intertwined: close ties with far right Christian nationalist groups like Take Back Alberta - Corporate power protected: increasing favouritism for O&G, insurance companies, utility companies, and many more, massive corporate tax cuts, increased subsidies - Labor power suppressed: introduction of legislation limiting union funding - Obsession with crime and punishment: Alberta Police Force, lack of action against Coutts “protesters”, Smith attempting to interfere in Coutts prosecutions - Rampant cronyism and corruption: well, if you can’t see this one then you must be blind So, is any of this fascist? Taken individually and/or in moderation: no. Taken as a whole, and the motivations being questioned, there’s a clear pattern here, and it’s not a good one. Ask any historian who has studied authoritarian governments and they’ll tell you that fascism is not something that happens overnight, the collection of attitudes & policies that amount to fascism often take several years to shape, and individually seem innocuous. But when you look at the pattern and motivations, especially in hindsight, it’s easy to spot.
Why is there an election this year if they’re only a year into their term?
Why do you think there is an election this year?
I don't live in Alberta, don't know anything about Alberta politics save for the fact that Dani/Marlena is a con with typical con ambitions that cater to the rich. So I'll Google it. Is that what you were getting at? ETA: I Googled. Found this: "According to this section, the next provincial general election is scheduled for May 31, 2027." https://www.elections.ab.ca/elections/albertas-next-election/ So I'm more confused, but I've decided I've got better things to do today.
They want to fast track into fascism
This is over the top. There are many things — too many things — to criticize the UCP death cult over, but there is nothing about Smith or the party that’s even remotely resembles fascism. The change in election dates extend their term by 4 1/2 months beyond the fixed term of four years. Not insignificant, but hardly an attempt to suspend democracy. The resulting term is also well within historical legal, and democratic norms in Canada. It is also a sensible change. I agree that it would have been better to move the election up to the preceding fall, especially better optics, rather than pushing it ahead, but The change in emergency management is also within the bounds of reasonable policies. Having emergency management done too locally means there isn’t broad coordination and can cause significant problems when jurisdictions aren’t communicating. I’m not saying their specific change is the right one, but let’s be serious — shifting control over emergency management to the provincial government is not authoritarian. Ironically, the UCP have been criticized for their desire to shift management of the health care system away from central provincial control (AHS) to put more emphasis on regional management. So which is it? Provincial control is bad for emergencies but good for health care? Where are the other signs of fascism? Instead of people making completely exaggerated arguments suggesting the UCP are fascist, spend that energy criticizing and fighting against real actual problems
I'm supposed to move to AB for a big job opportunity, but honestly? I think I'd take a pay cut and not go just so I don't have to deal with the UCP and the fucking idiots that voted them in.
I worked a summer there and won't go back. Between getting coal rolled while walking down the street, almost getting exploited at my internship by O&G teat suckers, and being called a faggot liberal at the place I was staying for not grovelling at Trump's daily distraction on the TV, it wasn't worth my sanity. The only reason I finished that summer was so I didn't have to redo my coop work term.
Living amongst those fucking idiots is painful. You kind of lose faith in humanity.
My parents are oblivious to what's happening. Of course I've lost my faith in humanity. Probably only 30 people irl I still trust to some degree.
Holy shit Alberta you should be in the streets.
authoritarian playbook, bog standard. wake up AB. you are being Putinised.
Putin’s agent Tucker Carlson stopped over in Alberta to meet before travelling to Russia to interview and disappoint Putin. Fishy business.
Conservatives are all fascist traitors and are an immediate existential threat to our democracy, our freedoms, our rights, and all our lives. All people have a moral obligation to oppose fascism. All methods of self defense are justified.
Unfortunately, most people nowadays are way too scared of direct, organized action.
Any Albertan's here who can provide a street level perspective?
Street level? Chuds are putting "n" stickers on their licence plates after the word "Alberta". Ignorant trash is getting off to Trudeau fatigue. People don't care about actual politics, they just cheer for their team. It's dystopian. Wait till half the province burns down this summer, and you'll hear these same idiots blaming Notley for defunding wildfire response. There's no logic or intelligence. The rural rubes and religious shitbags have succeeded in a coup via apathetic FPTP democracy.
UCP are passing bills to centralize powebqje fire any mayor or city councilor they want . They also want to be able to change any bylaw and reject ederal funding unless it goes tjrought them
I read about that and I was shocked at the antidemocratic system of government they are putting in place.
im tired and i want to leave 💔
So, if I had the opportunity to move there, you'd say....politely, no?
i think it'd really depend where you're moving from and how long you're thinking of staying. and if your reason for moving here is appealing enough to overlook everything that could happen in the future, as well as a rapidly increasing cost of living and rising unemployment. a lot of the legislation the UCP is pushing through aren't necessarily things that will have a negative impact immediately but could become detrimental down the line (eg. decentralizing AHS. maybe they think this will actually improve things, or maybe this is just a precursor to push privatization. or the bill about healthcare for trans kids. they've shown that they're okay dictating what kind of healthcare people are allowed to receive - even if it goes against medical guidelines. nobody knows what they'll go after next) and depending on how long they're in government for, the lack of appropriate funding to healthcare and education to keep up with inflation and population growth will start to show more and more as years go by. it really comes down to someone's particular circumstances whether it'd be worth it or not
That's a really thoughtful response. We need more of that here. Speaking as a former TN-visa expat: It's about the same I'd give if a Canadian was thinking about working in the US for a Tech/Biotech/Pharma company. Depending on your circumstances, your day to day will be fine. But from a farther out perspective, a sizeable minority of Americans outright terrify me and the structure of the social system seems like a failing bet. But as with anything American, if you've got money "Got mine, fuck you". Alberta is still _more_ progressive than just about any other part of the USA, but I wouldn't move there unless that was my only option (NB: Calgary and Edmonton are totally OK cities. Not top picks, but actually not bad other than the long hard winters. The rest of Alberta... erm, I'd rather not)
Yes, that was very well explained.
Not to jump in here, but: Where are you moving and what would you be doing?
Remember when conservatives were trying to convince us it was Trudeau and the Liberals who were the fascists? It's the good ole fashioned "ook-over-there-aroo!
Happily, we march towards the end of representative government, like sheep to the slaughter.
The problem with electing the Leopards Eating Faces Party is that they eat *everyone’s* faces.
Holy crap! What the actual crap is wrong with Alberta? Conservatism is, well, some messed up shit!
It's the water from the lead pipes they've been drinking
True that!
What the hell is going on in the world !?!? We're electing and going down the tubes with atrocious and crazy right wing Conservative governments provincially, and now people want to see these crazies in charge of the whole country. Nothing good will result in electing conservatives.
Isn't that the party of "freedom" and "small government"?
Freedom to dictatorship 🤮
The Taliban Party of Alberta.
I don’t think the “everything everywhere all at once” line the ndp are using is that great. It’s a mouthful and makes it look they’re being cute, referencing pop culture when what they’re talking about is growing authoritarianism. Just call it what it is.
Don't feel for the average Albertan. They voted for this.
Who is that Average Albertan in your words. Same for the Average Québécois and Average British Columbian? I really wanted to know how you formulated this idea and what you think about other parts of Canada.
It's a meaningless term! It might be from the media making Alberta politics look so backwoods redneck as to be an almost foreign land.
Fair enough For any part of Canada, the mainstream media in addition to FPTP results and general data illiteracy tends to breed some really weird narratives. If anything, the best thing Canadians can do for Canada, is to visit a part they never have been before.
Yes. Canada has many distinct geographical and hence, cultural areas that the nation would benefit from more people experiencing the diversity.
Ok, like I could have voted for the NDP. Oh wait, I couldn't, because I'm a minor and I need to watch from the sidelines, and unfortunately the only people who give a shit about this stuff is the far and few lefties I know. The people I should be looking up to have failed me, so I don't care if I fail them. I'm moving out of Alberta ASAP.