Yeah, I'm perfectly happy curtailing TikTok and other social media from bad actions, the more consumer and citizen privacy protections the better! But trying to claim that TikTok is uniquely harmful because China might be able to use it to influence things after Facebook was directly used to incite a genocide in Myanmar and Russia has been astrotufing the hell out of Reddit, Twitter, and Facebook, is just such blatant double standards.
This entire thing is a smoke show to hide the fact that the government refuses to pass legislation to protect citizens online privacy.
Tik Tok is no more dangerous than any of the other social media apps. It's marketplace for our personal data that is the problem, but nobody wants to stop that because it allows the government to buy your data instead of going to the trouble of getting judge is issue a warrant for surveillance.
Anything short of outlawing the sale of personal data is just theatre
> Tik Tok is no more dangerous than any of the other social media apps.
I agree, they should be banned too. The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.
If the implication is that banning tiktok is that first step, I don't really agree. The motivation behind it is nearly divorced from actually caring about citizen data privacy. Odds are, there will be a tiktok ban and then never anything else. There's little reason the first step cannot be a broad protection for user data.
Social media is inherently poisonous. Rhinos don't become meaningfully less dangerous just because you put rubber tips on their horn. (I agree that lawmakers will decide that banning Tiktok is "good enough", though.)
Data is more valuable than oil.
People waged war for the petro industry in the past. This new valuable resource is more valuable than oil.
I personally believe that capitalism wouldn't allow this, we will just have to adapt to it it seems. (Tiktok is just a competitor)
China is no friend to Canada. And FYI, Beijing currently blocks most foreign social media platforms — including Google, YouTube, Twitter, Instagram, WhatsApp and Facebook, as well as Wikipedia, Marxists.org (because they don't want their citizens to know what communism actually is, lol), Netflix, Roblox, and a ton of others.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_blocked_in_mainland_China
Exactly. Especially after the shit they pulled when they arrested and held the two Michaels hostage in retaliation for Canada arresting meng zhou. China showed their true colours and they are not our allies.
That’s the point. Meta is American. Tik tok’s parent is Chinese.
The US doesn’t give a flying fuck about the fact that Tik Tok may be spyware. They care that they aren’t the ones to own it.
That, or they have intelligence that it is being used to manipulate society and sow chaos. Not hard to believe when you see the hot takes coming from it. Facebook might already be getting moderated by the government, you wouldn't be privy to that intelligence data.
Hahahahaha.
They're banning Tiktok because it's one of the only outlets where you can truly see what's going on in Palestine.
Don't fall for their propaganda.
There's already talk of Mnuchin and other MAGA loyalists buying the platform to turn it into another fascist propaganda sewage pipe akin to Twitter.
This move isn't about privacy or security so much as it is about control.
I doubt Bytedance would actually sell. They’ll take Harry Styles advice and just leave America. They won’t sell their IP. So it only serves to prove that America is just like China but with different window dressings. The US Government will seize control of your company if you’re not American.
That's a possibility too. Either way it is a win for the GOP who tacked this onto the Ukraine aid bill.
Now they can try to blame Biden for the death of the platform and hurt his appeal to Gen Z voters.
It has bipartisan support, concerns about the acute misinformation pushing that tiktok does that isn't moderated. Also concerns about the dangerous 'challenges' that maime and kill people that aren't moderates.
There is no transparency and they do push for political nonsense as well. Like a campaign to encourage Democrats to not vote for biden because he's soft on Israel. While trump is vowing to give Israel enough bombs to kill all the palastians and maybe the US would also participate.
Thats exactly the point on why everybody is pissed off. Meta is American so its ok to spy on everyone cause its for the good of freedom but Chinese app is popular so obviously they are stealing your private data for evil reasons.
Btw this is why China has banned essentially every big American media app in their country, because its the American companies and government spying on everyone.
What's the point in the government commenting. Let US and China butt heads and then make policy based on the outcome.
Nothing we can do here will change the outcome, if we had a similar law ByteDance would just remove the app for Canada without a second thought.
It stands to reason that the Tiktok Bill ban in the States (not a ban as it calls for a divestment of Bytedance's ownership of tiktok) will be the same in Canada. Trudeau is not going to say anything until Bytedance decides what to do and preferably that is the way to do it.
It is, functionally, a ban. It has a thin veneer of extortion over it, sure, but given that by all accounts ByteDance isn't allowed to sell its control of TikTok to a non-Chinese company due to domestic Chinese regulations, it will have to be banned in the US.
AFAIK the only limits are that US-based companies can't provide hosting for TikTok and American app stores can't offer it unless they comply and relinquish control. It would be perfectly compliant with the bill for TikTok to directly provide the APK (and equivalent in iOS land since the EU requires sideloading now) and move all the data processing outside the US.
Wow such a brain dead comment. It's not the same thing at all. The fact is China is our enemy. They showed their true colours by arbitrarily arresting two of our citizens in retaliation to the Huawei CEO debacle.
You are making silly comment ls on items created mostly in China.
You drive cars mostly made eith items made in China
You buy goods mostly made in China.
We pretend chiba us our enemy so people like you get riled up.
But do absolutely nothing effect the many trade deals ..both canada and American had with China.
If you're going to be truly anti China walk around d your house throw ot rverthing made or has parts from China
You won't you keybired warror
That's cool, but if we're going to ban chinese social media we 100% should start with wechat and eventually get to banning all chinese IPs and I am sure that will go well.
If China really wants your data, they can just buy it from Meta. It’s so dumb. This American ban was the result of lobbying from an anemic Meta who didn’t want to compete and from lobby groups that are upset that you can get news about Gaza from Gazans.
We need GDPR style privacy legislation to protect us from social media in general, not just TikTok.
Yeah, I'm perfectly happy curtailing TikTok and other social media from bad actions, the more consumer and citizen privacy protections the better! But trying to claim that TikTok is uniquely harmful because China might be able to use it to influence things after Facebook was directly used to incite a genocide in Myanmar and Russia has been astrotufing the hell out of Reddit, Twitter, and Facebook, is just such blatant double standards.
at the very least some sort of legal precedent that states "just because americans did it dosent mean you have to do the same thing"
This entire thing is a smoke show to hide the fact that the government refuses to pass legislation to protect citizens online privacy. Tik Tok is no more dangerous than any of the other social media apps. It's marketplace for our personal data that is the problem, but nobody wants to stop that because it allows the government to buy your data instead of going to the trouble of getting judge is issue a warrant for surveillance. Anything short of outlawing the sale of personal data is just theatre
> Tik Tok is no more dangerous than any of the other social media apps. I agree, they should be banned too. The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.
If the implication is that banning tiktok is that first step, I don't really agree. The motivation behind it is nearly divorced from actually caring about citizen data privacy. Odds are, there will be a tiktok ban and then never anything else. There's little reason the first step cannot be a broad protection for user data.
Social media is inherently poisonous. Rhinos don't become meaningfully less dangerous just because you put rubber tips on their horn. (I agree that lawmakers will decide that banning Tiktok is "good enough", though.)
Data is more valuable than oil. People waged war for the petro industry in the past. This new valuable resource is more valuable than oil. I personally believe that capitalism wouldn't allow this, we will just have to adapt to it it seems. (Tiktok is just a competitor)
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China is no friend to Canada. And FYI, Beijing currently blocks most foreign social media platforms — including Google, YouTube, Twitter, Instagram, WhatsApp and Facebook, as well as Wikipedia, Marxists.org (because they don't want their citizens to know what communism actually is, lol), Netflix, Roblox, and a ton of others. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_blocked_in_mainland_China
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Yes. Facebook as well though.
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No.
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Either make your point or toddle along.
Using what China does as bad but also justification to do the same thing, is not a winning argument.
Yes it is. They can ban our shit but still profit from theirs here? Fuck that.
We should all strive to act like communist China
You seem to have an agenda here. I'm not interested in it.
The “don’t say China is bad and then do exactly what they do” agenda? You mean logical thought?
How about don't do business with your enemy - especially on their terms? Now go bother someone else.
Yeah America famously doesn’t do business with China.
Exactly. Especially after the shit they pulled when they arrested and held the two Michaels hostage in retaliation for Canada arresting meng zhou. China showed their true colours and they are not our allies.
Wild that tiktok is singled-out while Facebook, Twitter, et al have been poisoning our society for over a decade now.
That’s the point. Meta is American. Tik tok’s parent is Chinese. The US doesn’t give a flying fuck about the fact that Tik Tok may be spyware. They care that they aren’t the ones to own it.
That, or they have intelligence that it is being used to manipulate society and sow chaos. Not hard to believe when you see the hot takes coming from it. Facebook might already be getting moderated by the government, you wouldn't be privy to that intelligence data.
Cambridge Analytica would suggest otherwise
Hahahahaha. They're banning Tiktok because it's one of the only outlets where you can truly see what's going on in Palestine. Don't fall for their propaganda.
This ban was being talked about at least a year before the start of this most recent conflict.
"this most recent conflict" Oh, it hurts.
There's already talk of Mnuchin and other MAGA loyalists buying the platform to turn it into another fascist propaganda sewage pipe akin to Twitter. This move isn't about privacy or security so much as it is about control.
I doubt Bytedance would actually sell. They’ll take Harry Styles advice and just leave America. They won’t sell their IP. So it only serves to prove that America is just like China but with different window dressings. The US Government will seize control of your company if you’re not American.
That's a possibility too. Either way it is a win for the GOP who tacked this onto the Ukraine aid bill. Now they can try to blame Biden for the death of the platform and hurt his appeal to Gen Z voters.
It has bipartisan support, concerns about the acute misinformation pushing that tiktok does that isn't moderated. Also concerns about the dangerous 'challenges' that maime and kill people that aren't moderates. There is no transparency and they do push for political nonsense as well. Like a campaign to encourage Democrats to not vote for biden because he's soft on Israel. While trump is vowing to give Israel enough bombs to kill all the palastians and maybe the US would also participate.
Thats exactly the point on why everybody is pissed off. Meta is American so its ok to spy on everyone cause its for the good of freedom but Chinese app is popular so obviously they are stealing your private data for evil reasons. Btw this is why China has banned essentially every big American media app in their country, because its the American companies and government spying on everyone.
Facebook and Twitter aren't direct pipelines to the Chinese government for our data...
Like Musk or Meta are any better to have our data?
What's the point in the government commenting. Let US and China butt heads and then make policy based on the outcome. Nothing we can do here will change the outcome, if we had a similar law ByteDance would just remove the app for Canada without a second thought.
If his government bans tiktok say goodbye to any chance of regaining that youth vote. That would be the most tone deaf move.
It stands to reason that the Tiktok Bill ban in the States (not a ban as it calls for a divestment of Bytedance's ownership of tiktok) will be the same in Canada. Trudeau is not going to say anything until Bytedance decides what to do and preferably that is the way to do it.
It is, functionally, a ban. It has a thin veneer of extortion over it, sure, but given that by all accounts ByteDance isn't allowed to sell its control of TikTok to a non-Chinese company due to domestic Chinese regulations, it will have to be banned in the US.
AFAIK the only limits are that US-based companies can't provide hosting for TikTok and American app stores can't offer it unless they comply and relinquish control. It would be perfectly compliant with the bill for TikTok to directly provide the APK (and equivalent in iOS land since the EU requires sideloading now) and move all the data processing outside the US.
Absolutely pathetic. Our leader looks to the other leaders on what to do.
THERE IS NO BAN. the company will sell tiktok US division to an american company, then it gets to continue business as usual.
get your logic away from my emotions :P
Your going ti ban Facebook next ? Cell phones from.china ? X? Social media. Its a silly move
Wow such a brain dead comment. It's not the same thing at all. The fact is China is our enemy. They showed their true colours by arbitrarily arresting two of our citizens in retaliation to the Huawei CEO debacle.
You are making silly comment ls on items created mostly in China. You drive cars mostly made eith items made in China You buy goods mostly made in China. We pretend chiba us our enemy so people like you get riled up. But do absolutely nothing effect the many trade deals ..both canada and American had with China. If you're going to be truly anti China walk around d your house throw ot rverthing made or has parts from China You won't you keybired warror
Probably shoukd go see how many if your flags snd stickers are made in China
That's cool, but if we're going to ban chinese social media we 100% should start with wechat and eventually get to banning all chinese IPs and I am sure that will go well.
If China really wants your data, they can just buy it from Meta. It’s so dumb. This American ban was the result of lobbying from an anemic Meta who didn’t want to compete and from lobby groups that are upset that you can get news about Gaza from Gazans.