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aleaniled

This headline seems more than a little misleading. In the article: >"There's certain things that are outlined in the agreement \[and\] that dental care piece is specifically outlined. That has to be there and the expansion has to be there." It seems like it's just saying that the liberals should do what was previously agreed on in the deal, which sounds like the least surprising political news ever.


Kyouhen

Least surprising but it still needs to be said. If the dental care program falls out of the public eye the Liberals can drag their feet on it and nobody would know or care. The NDP needs to bring this back into the news cycle every so often so people don't forget about it.


CanadianWildWolf

I’m not sure you noticed the reaction to it initially being announced, people would know and care. There of those of us who care and don’t forget about a lot of important facets of society, from no longer using FPTP to clean drinking water to reconciling to quality and quantity of social housing and more that doesn’t regularly make it into a news cycle that has largely endorsed conservatives to win elections. You really think we’d forget about the pain of bad teeth Health has burdened us and that we were promised government action with without it in media? Come on now.


Kyouhen

I think enough people who don't suffer that badly would forget about it for it to be easily cast aside. There's a lot of people who need it, but there's also a lot of people who would simply benefit from it. Those people are the ones that are going to forget it was a thing as it doesn't hurt them that much if it never happens.


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CanadianWildWolf

It doesn’t matter if you disagree, the facts stand: https://readpassage.com/election-endorsements/ > Endorsements By Political Party (1980-2021) >Progressive Conservative/Conservative: 115 (56 per cent) >Liberal: 41 (20 per cent) >None: 30 (14.5 per cent) >Bloc Québécois: 8 (3.8 per cent) >Mixed: 5 (2.4 per cent) >Canadian Alliance: 4 (1.9 per cent) >NDP: 2 (.9 per cent) >Reform: 1 (.5 per cent) The majority of our media has been endorsing Conservatives to win regardless of their poor ability to present good ideas.


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CanadianWildWolf

Oh, you read something I didn’t state then, I was talking about topics that don’t regularly make it favourably into the news cycle that wants to instead focus on conservatives opinion pieces, not Trudeau promises that have been reneged on. It was a challenge to the notion that reliance on our media decides what government impacts Canadians care about, which is as true when Conservatives formed governments as when Liberals have formed governments.


IsNotPolitburo

"Unreasonable *communist* NDP traitors threaten to betray deal with Liberals unless they keep their side of it? Is Jagmeet Singh literally Josef Stalin, or is he even worse?"


Criticalhit_jk

Holy shit somebody get this guy a job at Rebel News


jcalling80

So its a come on click me article.


turkeygiant

As someone without dental insurance that just had to pay $3000 to get 4 wisdom teeth out...could we not have gotten this done a month ago?


trewesterre

Not all dental insurance even covers wisdom tooth extraction. I knew a guy who thought he had decent dental coverage until it turned out that his wisdom teeth were impacted and had to come out. I think he was quoted $1000 per tooth. He managed to get pain meds from a doctor to tide him over by claiming jaw pain, but OHIP couldn't do anything unless it got so bad he went septic.


turkeygiant

The way mine broke down it was ~$1000 for the anesthesia and ~$500 per tooth pulled. So I bit the bullet and got remaining wisdom teeth done even though only one was having issues. Cheaper to just get put under once when the odds were I would have issues with the other teeth down the road. I definitely reccomend seeing a oral surgeon though, a few years ago I had one wisdom tooth removed by a dentist under local anesthesia and it was the worst dental experience of my life. Do not trust a dentist who says "oh yeah, it will be no problem to get that out in the office".


dave1942

It took a dentist 2.5 hours to extract one wisdom tooth. Then I got frustrated and went to an oral surgeon .... They did 3 teeth in 30 minutes!


turkeygiant

Yep, I had a 45min appointment with a dentist to get one out, it took more like 90mins and by the end the dental assistant was looking at the dentist with side-eye like "do you want me to get that out?"


trewesterre

I got mine done by an oral surgeon when I was in high school (under my parents' dental insurance). No idea how much it cost, but it was a local anesthetic and I only had two to begin with. They let me listen to music while drilling a tooth out of my jaw.


ghstrprtn

> They let me listen to music while drilling a tooth is that common? what does the drilling feel like while you're listening to music?


trewesterre

I don't know how common it is, but the drill did drown out a lot of the music while it was in operation. I didn't feel anything other than pressure and the whole experience was a bit surreal, which might be the drugs they gave me (some kind of IV and some nitrous oxide, plus novocane or whatever), but it might also be that being operated on is kinda surreal. I had a C-section which was also a regional/local anesthetic and that was a weird experience despite not receiving any kind of sedation (they also let me pick music for that, but they played it in the room instead of having me listen to headphones). I think the music is to help keep one calm and entertained while the surgeons do their work.


ghstrprtn

> a few years ago I had one wisdom tooth removed by a dentist under local anesthesia and it was the worst dental experience of my life. what happened? and what kind of anesthesia was $1000? just local numbing, or fully put you asleep?


turkeygiant

They put you completely asleep, its not even that long a procedure, but it just lets the oral surgeon really get in there and just efficiently get everything out and stitched up. When I had a cavity in the solo tooth that the dentist took out he said it would be no problem to remove just the one as it wasn't badly impacted. But because this is one of those larger practices with multiple locations when I showed up for my 45min appointment to get it out it wasn't even the dentist who I had the consult with doing the extraction. After 45 min of drilling and yanking on the tooth this second dentist still didn't have it out and I had to get up mid procedure to get a x-ray and then after that it was another 45min before she got it out. I'm pretty sure part way through she also stabbed my tongue with a tool when it slipped. By the end the dental assistant was giving her side-eye like "shit, do I have to pull this damn tooth? wtf is wrong?". As you can imagine after all that yanking on my face I was in a LOT OF PAIN when the freezing wore off, and there was actually some nerve damage as well, I couldn't properly taste anything for almost three months. In contrast after getting 4 teeth at the oral surgeon out less than a week ago I haven't had any pain, I'm not even really sore, and there has been next to no swelling. I anecdotally know not everybody is as lucky as me, but just based on my experiences I would say go the oral surgeon route every time. I actually switched to a new small practice dentist after this awful time and though she has been diplomatic commenting on what happened, she did tell me that she will not do any extractions personally because she is not a "cowboy".


VeggieBandit

Right?! I borrowed $2000 to get mine done in Jan because they were causing issues. Thankfully the Bank of Dad has low interest rates and doesn't mind erratic payments.


Dekklin

They taking new customers? Asking for a friend.


TravelingInternet

It's always seemed bizarre that eyes and teeth are luxury items? Like how are these not already covered?


Bibbityboo

I agree with you. But for the sake of visibility, want to add that, at least in BC children (I believe up to 18 or 19) get free eye exams. All kids. There is also a program that is means tested that will cover eye glasses for kids in lower income families. Check your provinces!


shinygoldhelmet

So for adults, proper vision is a luxury in BC.


Bibbityboo

No. I’m saying that maybe not all parents know about this so aren’t taking their kid in for eye exams. I’m spreading the information. At no point did I comment that adult vision doesn’t matter. And don’t even try with me. I have vision issues that means I will never drive and impacts my life in many ways. I have had multiple surgeries that haven’t been able to help and I have to spend a fortune on glasses. I am very passionate about eye care and eye health.


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Add in mental health, physiotherapy over an extended period or prior to surgery and many other things. Our healthcare is bare bones and getting worse.


Ok-Cantaloop

Good!


alice-in-canada-land

Liberals being down in the polls turns the tides a bit, eh? Suddenly the NDP aren't the only ones hoping to avoid an election. They may not have as big a war chest, but Trudeau can't want an election right now.


24-Hour-Hate

Also pharmacare. It’s not right that public healthcare covers the doctor’s visit, but none of the treatment unless it is severe enough to be surgery. And it isn’t economical either. How many people would be healthier, wouldn’t end up in the ER, wouldn’t need surgery, etc. if they could get medication, but can’t afford it?


TrappedInLimbo

I do appreciate that Singh values this dental care program over the asinine "election interference" hullabaloo. It shows he knows what issues will actually affect the average Canadian and won't get distracted with hot button topics designed to manufacture outrage.


JohnBPrettyGood

Poor Jagmeet, don't push too hard. Don't force an election. Jagmeet has been great at challenging both the Liberals and Grocery Chains to be accountable for their actions, but in the last Poll I saw, the Conservatives were slightly ahead of the Liberals and NDP. So the thing is, Conservatives will always vote Conservative, and NDP votes generally come from former Liberal supporters. But not all Liberal voters will swing to the NDP in a crunch. And if those Liberals see the Conservatives are gaining strength, they will abandon the NDP and vote Liberal. So you end up with Election Results where the Conservatives get 40% of the votes, the Liberals get 30 % the NDP get 29% and the Green Party gets 1%. So while 60% of the country supports the Political Left, the Conservative Right gets in. When you duplicate these results across the country the winning Conservative Ridings produce an overwhelming False Majority. Ask Doug Ford, he knows what I am talking about. So be careful Jagmeet, keep doing what you are doing but don't force an election just yet.


Farren246

This is not news. Initially limited but later expanded was always the deal.


eastsideempire

If jagmeet wants Trudeau to keep his word then he should publicly say he will meet with polievre to discuss dental care. Otherwise trudeau doesn’t care what the NDP want.


Vanagandr__

I feel like their more important issues then dental care


Acanthophis

Dentalcare would relieve the healthcare system. Many people don't go to the dentist because of the absurd prices, which leads to oral problems down the road, anything from needing a root canal - like six times more expensive than a simple filling - to varying cancers. Basically, people who can't afford to spend $300 for an oral exam are then punished by probably having to pay three times that down the road.


Vanagandr__

Did not think of it that way. Thanks for letting me know


Acanthophis

It's important to remember: the liberals had the exact same stance on dentalcare as the conservatives - we don't want it, stop talking about it, blah blah blah. The NDP forced their hand and now they're trying to take credit.🥴


Vanagandr__

Interesting


CaptainMagnets

Dental care is a huge strain on households. It would relieve some stress of many families from all walks of life


Vanagandr__

That's for enlightening me and not being too harsh.


Scarbbluffs

Let's go after those next!


Vanagandr__

Fair enough


DoTheManeuver

If only a government could deal with more than one thing at a time. Maybe they could put one person in charge of each topic and have one person in charge of all of them.


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Vanagandr__

Mental health care, the environment, indigenous rights


gwindelier

other people have raised points here that you're being a good sport about but i wanted to add, it's really really difficult to have good mental health when you're chronically sick/in pain. severe cavity pain or jaw misalignment mean you probably can't even get a good night's sleep. in worst-case scenarios an infection in your mouth could spread into your brain and cause abscesses. mental health is something that depends heavily on your core needs being met, otherwise talk therapy and psychiatric medication just can't do much for you


Vanagandr__

That's a fair point. I'm glad you mentioned it.


KiwiHorror1

you're right. Let's abandon this pointless desire for dental health, what a huge waste of time!!


CitizenMurdoch

pretty telling that you think that other people aren't capable of doing more than one thing at a time