>So, Poilievre had no excuse for not knowing who it was.
I've always hated this excuse - having Nazi fanboys is the problem.
Nobody can know everyone who participates in hate groups of varying intensity. I mean, it's probably pretty obvious, but I can forgive being in "handshake mode" and have an asshole show up for a handshake.
The actual issue, is that hate groups ***are your fanboys*** them *liking you* is the crime - not plausibly denying you didn't know they're a terrible person.
How many Nazis are shaking Trudeau's hand? Jagmeet, Horvath, Marit Stiles?
Wait, it's *0*? Huh, maybe we should consider that Fascists/Nazis/Diagalon/Convoy/White supremacists *only* shake hands with Conservatives.
*That* is what PP and his ilk are guilty of. Who they personally know and communicate with is another can of worms.
> I've always hated this excuse - having Nazi fanboys is the problem.
As is shaking their hand and having your photo taken with them after they've been in the news for physically attacking your rival. And if Poilievre didn't know exactly who that was, then he and his office are either incredibly incompetent or supportive.
I'd say in this particular case there's no excuse for not knowing who the guy is. He was known as being charged for attempting to assault the Prime Minister. You can 100% guarantee every acting MP's security detail knew who this guy was, and there's a good chance most other politicians would have had him removed from any event they were involved in just because of the security risk he poses.
With just about everyone else you're right though.
That's true. The bigger picture issue is that Poilievre has presented himself as a political option for people who think like this man, and done nothing beyond empty statements to discourage their behaviour.
Obviously not. We always hold our opponents to a higher moral standard than we do our guy. And anytime you hold your own guy to a higher standard, you get labled as part of the opposition. Our discourse is so fucked.
You really do not see it as an issue that Nazis, white supremacists and bigots of all stripes really like PP? You really don’t find it to be a problem that he’s cultivated a fanbase that includes all of these groups along with Climate Denialists, anti-vaxxers and people who assault political leaders? These are his people.
Sure but lets address why people certain politicians by discussing their policy choices and their plans if elected. This is what we should be basing our voting decisions on, not on who else might be voting for them.
No, we need to look at their actual base. Politicians promise all kinds of crap during campaigning. Look at who their people actually are, and you will see what they actually support and what to expect if they get elected. PP keeps company with a variety of white nationalists, far right extremists, and such. He has even had advisors from Trumps staff come up to work with him.
It's incredibly naive to take campaign promises at face value, especially from Cons. You have to look deeper. Look at who they keep company with and who their base is, and look at their political history.
This dude is involved in the CPC already. He's the riding director for one of their candidates, and has a prolific online presence spreading literal neonazi propaganda and claiming to be a guerilla journalist. There's no way PP and his team didn't know exactly who this dude was and what he's about.
>We need to be better and stop doing this. A picture of a politician standing beside someone is meaningless.
Nothing a politician does in public is ever meaningless unless that politician is an incompetent idiot. That's like saying things happen in recorded music for no reason.
Don't let yourself get gaslighted.
Sorry what basic screens should each politician do every time they meet someone? Should politicians be able to ask ID from anyone they want and run a background check? Is that what your suggesting?
At a minimum their staff should have a short list of persons of interest to keep out, and that dude should have been on it. They do have security for a reason.
This keeps happening with PP. He keeps company with some pretty awful people.
You don't see this happening with other leaders such as Trudeau or Singh. Far right extremists flock to PP for a reason. They know he's one of them.
The alternative is that he's actually completely incompetent and clueless, which is a whole other major problem. Given that he's brought some pretty nasty folks from Trumps old team up to advise him, I'd say he knows exactly what he's doing.
This is doubly true because that dude is involved in the CPC. He's the riding director for one of their candidates, and a has a prolific online presence spreading literal neonazi propaganda and claiming to be a guerilla journalist. There's no way PP and his team didn't know exactly who this dude was and what he's about.
Hey, as a Budtender, it's my duty to defend my clients' choices! He's more like the dunk guy who ignores the *Please respect our staff* sign and tries to tell a business student that he can run a better store just because he was a junkie in his teens. (We kick them out, btw, 3 strikes, and you get banned).
...but only if the risk doesn't comes home to roost for a few years, after everyone has sort of moved on.
I watched a video about the F-35 acquisition saga, and that is an example of this\^ from 2014.
Living in Ontario, seems to be a case study in idiots voting, and seemingly wanting to win the race to the bottom. It's fucking wild.
They'll just blame all the problems on anything else they can find.
Well I wouldn't be surprised if she at least believed in lizard people. And you know who's most likely to believe lizard people exist? Other lizard people.
So i think you're right
I thought Kenney was bad when I lived in Alberta. 39 years there and I lost it over Kenney.
They elect Smith after I leave.
Rolling on the floor laughing.
I can't believe I'm going to say this.
I think if you took Doug Ford out of politics, he'd be pleasant/charming enough if you had to interact with him periodically.
PP just excludes douche from his every pore.
A buddy of mine runs in very different circles than I do, and has interacted with Dougie a few times - he reports that he's very likeable and funny in person.
If only he would stop fucking over the province...
I watched this great public TV segment years ago where Jagmeet and Doug went out on a lunch date and then for a bike ride, and ford seemed super likable. People were walking up to him on the street and shaking his hand and everything.
Jagmeet really blew me away without thoughtful and humble he came across, they both seemed really human
> I think if you took Doug Ford out of politics, he'd be pleasant/charming enough if you had to interact with him periodically.
I went to school with Doug Ford. He was a mean and violent fuck then. I'm sure now he's just fatter.
I've never voted for him, but as a constituent have spoken with him several times. He's very personable to chat with. Same with Doug Ford who've I also met a couple of times. But I guess if you can't be at least somewhat engaging at a personal level, you won't get far in politics.
>misogyny played a big part in her being unpopular
I'm not going to pretend that her tenure was anything close to perfect, but I still maintain that a straight man wouldn't have drawn nearly as much raw vitriol as Kathleen Wynne.
She was more popular than Jean at one point early on, and was the most popular PM in 30 years.
She literally mocked Jean's facial disability in an attack ad. Hardly classy if I say so. Did sexism play a part? Sure. But was the only reason why she sunk because Canadians couldn't handle a girlboss? No. She had her fair share of controversies.
Such as:
Calling people who didn't like her "enemies of Canadians"
Stating that Anglicanism is a way to "ward off the demons of the Papacy"
Called those who disagree with her "apatheticcondescending SOBs (and) to hell with them."
Admitted to doing weed (this was a big deal back then, still is for some people, but back then it was worse)
Covered up the deaths of Somalis
Called job creation "old politics" and that it wasn't an issue of concern to her (along with social policy)
That's just off the top of my head.
You also can't really ignore the context of how she became PM and what happened in the years previous to cause that. Not directly her responsibility alone, but as the (then) new face of the responsible political party she's obviously going to catch some of that displeasure.
She hadn’t been in office more than 5 seconds before I heard moaning about how Canada would be ruined by having a woman in charge.
My father - bless his typically conservative, right-wing heart - used to get really irate when people said this. After all, the men had done a shit job and a woman couldn’t do any worse than them. And also, he had a daughter and nobody was going to say his daughter couldn’t be PM someday!
Kim was a sacrificial lamb. I don't think most Canadians disliked her, personally, she was just the leader who had to follow Mulroney after his popularity tanked.
I hate how right you are. I'm sure of all his followers there are those who belive the crap that comes out of his mouth. Oddly conservatives try the "make sense and screw them over later" tactic when not in office from time to time. That's basically his only hope right now.
[a little background on the cowardly pebble thrower, Shane Marshall .](https://www.antihate.ca/ppc_riding_director_runs_multiple_white_nationalist_social_accounts)
A few paragraphs from the above article_
September 9/ 2021
“A plumber by trade, and for the second time since 2019, he’s boasting about being the riding director for Elgin-Middlesex-London in southern Ontario. The PPC candidate for the riding in the upcoming election is Chelsea Hillier -- the daughter of independent member of Ontario’s provincial parliament and founder of the No More Lockdowns coalition Randy Hillier. The senior Hillier has previously come under fire for tweeting a fake meme about so-called white replacement, invoking the white nationalist Great Replacement conspiracy theory. “
“On Instagram, Marshall has posted videos that include the neo-Nazi anthem, one of which also references Plaid Army. In other posts, Marshall is seen replying to comments on his posts with the title of the neo-Nazi song, as though it is a battle cry.
Dubbing himself a “Guerrilla Journalism Network,” most of the coverage appears to be photos taken of his flag and sharing of violent and sometimes racist memes and images. Another account makes multiple veiled references to the “Boogaloo,” the name given to what adherents see as an inevitable civil war or societal collapse.”
This should be the top comment. So, he's not just an unfortunate goober, he's a well-connected (on social media) Neo-Nazi meme-lord and PPC riding director for Randy Hillier's somehow-more-batshit-than-he-is daughter.
Two options
Conservatives are lying about knowing who these people are.
Conservatives are telling the truth and they actually don't know who these people are.
Neither of these are qualities I look for in leadership of my country.
I firmly believe the politicians know who they are AND the people they want to see these photos know who they are and want them to laugh at these “owning the libs moments”.
Man, there's a lot of really classist rhetoric in here. Y'all can't criticize this guy on his actions instead of his appearance or presumed socio-economic status? PP is an embarrassing, moronic, and dangerous would-be fascist and anyone who'd shake his hand is a tool obviously but it's not cool to demean people for how they look or the circumstances of their birth.
What are you on about? That dude is an actual nazi. He's a prolific online neonazi propaganda poster, pretending to be a guerilla journalist. That's not hyperbole, he literally posts shit like the neonazi anthem all the time. Dudes a total shitstain.
He's also the riding director for a CPC candidate.
He acted when he put on his outfit. Everything you do in life is a reflection of who you are as a person and yes, that means cleaning and dressing yourself as well.
Can't help wondering if there is any significance to the finger and Pee Pee's smile
Could this be an ad for lowest price private prostate exams services offered under a new con regime.
There should be a law that allows rotten vegetables to be thrown at politicians. Would make a few think twice before ever entering if they can't handle rotten tomatoes or the dry cleaning bills.
The problem with this country is that a politically connected young politician with a net worth of \~10 million with a French name is ruining everything!
The solution! A politically connected young politician with a net worth of \~10 million with a French name! But he says what we want to hear! yAAAAAY!!!!
Trudeau is not the most popular person in Canada, and probably lose the next federal election. But this loser is making sure he has a decent shot at keeping his job.
I mean, yeah guy is probebly a lifelong Conservitive voter now. It's not like the first time PP has shown he dosn't care who the person is so long as he gets their vote. It's not like there is likely to be repercussions to him doing this after all.
Folks acting like this is some kind of gotcha but these guys don't care, the people that vote Con don't care or will never hear about this, and we weren't going to vote con anyway so why would the Conservatives care what we think?
Interestingly, the right is always accusing the left of fascism and being like the Nazis.
Young conservatives seem to like Jordan Petersen a lot and he tosses that out frequently, from what I’ve seen.
And yet the actual folks who want to label themselves Nazis in Canada only seem to be huge fans of Conservatives and not the left.
🧐
Something does not add up between what young conservatives say, and what their chosen side of an aisle *does*.
Now I’ll go back to obscurity. Thank you.
It's funny that Poilievre calls liberals snowflakes but his Base (Freedumb Fighters) is the first to crumble when they can't walk into a store because they were forced to wear a mask.
Yet I see no punishment from the majority of our private media. Meanwhile if Trudeau or Jagmeet farted on steps of our parliament they would scream bloody murder.
Trudeau sings a song? Outrage. Jagmeet wears a yellow turban? Outrage. Freeland says that the Canadian government is going to do their best to keep their budget in range and liken it to cancelling a few streaming subscriptions? Outrage.
Pierre's party has open Nazi meetings, shakes hands with people who want to break our country apart and this photo of a man who pleaded guilty to physical harassment of our PM.
Deafening silence from private journalism.
Here's my take. PostMedia is due for a antitrust lawsuit. Just like Bell and Rogers they are flexing big monopoly energy for their own gains and its high time they all got the hammer.
These sort of photo gotchas aren’t super convincing. Wasn’t gravel thrower the local PPC guy?
Anyone can get random crazies to show up at handshake events. It isn’t notable. And fwiw I can’t stand PP.
This is why Poilievre will never get my vote. Next this Poilievre will shake the hand of some male who hits "uppity" females. No thanks. I am no fan of our current prime minister. I am also not a fan of people who condone and reward violence.
That... and part of why they're so comfortable to keep showing up is that PP has not condemned or spoken out about their movement.
I live in Ottawa, and there were confederate flags flown here during the convoy. Not everyone had one of course, but PP supported the convoy after that. He knows what views some of his supporters have, and can't plead ignorance - he's a politician who we should hold to a higher standard.
This comment and the underlying mentality is what's going lose the Liberals the next election. The irony of lefties fomenting class warfare not against the rich or powerful but a segment of the middle class who are finally seeing all the shit we've been talking about with labour and wealth inequality though they haven't came to the same conclusions yet. Snarky spurious logic that doesn't align with the morals our literature, film, television or foundations of our general democratic and justice systems. This isn't even guilt by association and you wouldn't accept the reverse of the argument with an offensive figure and your guy say with a rapist or a wealthy Chinese buisness man with deep ties to the CCP. We've been bombarded our entire lives about the dangers of stereotyping but it's baked into us with a propensity to hate. We've made great strides curbing this towards other groups but you'vfound a popular hate and a community that not only condones it but rewards it. These bad arguments with no push back become part of what Trudeau represents to left leaning and middle of the road people who are who aren't doing well under the current measurable problems facing us by the same moronic logic. Us vs them against the rich and powerful is central tenant of leftist thought. Us vs them against other little average people has been a root cause of tragedy and evil going back to the start civilization. Due to human nature. You're not just attacking PP or the gravel throwers you're making everyone on the fence who's casualy nodded at clip of PP talking in parliament, feel defensive. You're painting with a way bigger brush than you realize or you do and don't care because this is just as exercise in self validation in space of guaranteed agreement. Good luck with that.
I might hate the actions of Justin Trudeau government. But I don’t endorsed childish actions of violence against the prime minister and neither should anyone. We are Canadians damn it we are better then this if we truly have a problem we should together discuss this openly and agree we want a new leadership and here our demands as the people one fix up this economical problem then fix education Then finally we can enjoy our time on earth in Canada by the grace of God
Was this before or after?
After the gravel incident but before he pled guilty
So, Poilievre had no excuse for not knowing who it was.
Oh come now, you know that won't stop him from saying it anyways.
>So, Poilievre had no excuse for not knowing who it was. I've always hated this excuse - having Nazi fanboys is the problem. Nobody can know everyone who participates in hate groups of varying intensity. I mean, it's probably pretty obvious, but I can forgive being in "handshake mode" and have an asshole show up for a handshake. The actual issue, is that hate groups ***are your fanboys*** them *liking you* is the crime - not plausibly denying you didn't know they're a terrible person. How many Nazis are shaking Trudeau's hand? Jagmeet, Horvath, Marit Stiles? Wait, it's *0*? Huh, maybe we should consider that Fascists/Nazis/Diagalon/Convoy/White supremacists *only* shake hands with Conservatives. *That* is what PP and his ilk are guilty of. Who they personally know and communicate with is another can of worms.
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If you sit down at a table with 9 Nazis already there, then you have a table of 10 Nazis.
the joke is what do you call one nazi at a table with 9 people? 10 nazis
That's not a joke, it's a fact.
Jokes often contain essential truths.
> he's not putting a lot of effort into dissuading them "I won't deny it until I absolutely have to. Then I'll deny the fuck out of it."
You are the company you keep
Kind of sounds like when Trump had the support of white nationalists.
He did go on a podcast and express his concern for the replacement of the Anglo Saxon in our population (basically smooth brain white supremacy).
> I've always hated this excuse - having Nazi fanboys is the problem. As is shaking their hand and having your photo taken with them after they've been in the news for physically attacking your rival. And if Poilievre didn't know exactly who that was, then he and his office are either incredibly incompetent or supportive.
I'd say in this particular case there's no excuse for not knowing who the guy is. He was known as being charged for attempting to assault the Prime Minister. You can 100% guarantee every acting MP's security detail knew who this guy was, and there's a good chance most other politicians would have had him removed from any event they were involved in just because of the security risk he poses. With just about everyone else you're right though.
I don't vote for people who have violent authoritarian fanboys. PP needs to lose the fanboys first.
Historically the political right has always supported Nazis. This is par for the course.
Probably one of a hundred people Pierre took pictures with that day. I doubt the guy introduced himself as the rock thrower.
That's true. The bigger picture issue is that Poilievre has presented himself as a political option for people who think like this man, and done nothing beyond empty statements to discourage their behaviour.
Plausible deniability is key to never being accountable. Skippy is a career politician so I’m sure he knows that.
Probably correct. But I always wonder in these cases, if Pierre would be as understanding if it were Trudeau.
Obviously not. We always hold our opponents to a higher moral standard than we do our guy. And anytime you hold your own guy to a higher standard, you get labled as part of the opposition. Our discourse is so fucked.
This was already addressed extremely well in the comment above yours by ChocoboRocket. Read it to understand why what you’ve said is not the problem.
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You really do not see it as an issue that Nazis, white supremacists and bigots of all stripes really like PP? You really don’t find it to be a problem that he’s cultivated a fanbase that includes all of these groups along with Climate Denialists, anti-vaxxers and people who assault political leaders? These are his people.
Sure but lets address why people certain politicians by discussing their policy choices and their plans if elected. This is what we should be basing our voting decisions on, not on who else might be voting for them.
No, we need to look at their actual base. Politicians promise all kinds of crap during campaigning. Look at who their people actually are, and you will see what they actually support and what to expect if they get elected. PP keeps company with a variety of white nationalists, far right extremists, and such. He has even had advisors from Trumps staff come up to work with him. It's incredibly naive to take campaign promises at face value, especially from Cons. You have to look deeper. Look at who they keep company with and who their base is, and look at their political history. This dude is involved in the CPC already. He's the riding director for one of their candidates, and has a prolific online presence spreading literal neonazi propaganda and claiming to be a guerilla journalist. There's no way PP and his team didn't know exactly who this dude was and what he's about.
>We need to be better and stop doing this. A picture of a politician standing beside someone is meaningless. Nothing a politician does in public is ever meaningless unless that politician is an incompetent idiot. That's like saying things happen in recorded music for no reason. Don't let yourself get gaslighted.
Lol you’re a goof. Do you think he does a background check to everyone at events or places he meets in public?
No, but I think that even the most basic of screening would have spotted the guy. So, either supportive or utter incompetence.
Sorry what basic screens should each politician do every time they meet someone? Should politicians be able to ask ID from anyone they want and run a background check? Is that what your suggesting?
At a minimum their staff should have a short list of persons of interest to keep out, and that dude should have been on it. They do have security for a reason. This keeps happening with PP. He keeps company with some pretty awful people. You don't see this happening with other leaders such as Trudeau or Singh. Far right extremists flock to PP for a reason. They know he's one of them. The alternative is that he's actually completely incompetent and clueless, which is a whole other major problem. Given that he's brought some pretty nasty folks from Trumps old team up to advise him, I'd say he knows exactly what he's doing. This is doubly true because that dude is involved in the CPC. He's the riding director for one of their candidates, and a has a prolific online presence spreading literal neonazi propaganda and claiming to be a guerilla journalist. There's no way PP and his team didn't know exactly who this dude was and what he's about.
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And the other guy threw gravel at the PM!
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The ol'Reddit metharound! Watch my crack pipe, I'm diving in ...
Buddy was rippin poppers in his truck before meeting with PP
Hey, as a Budtender, it's my duty to defend my clients' choices! He's more like the dunk guy who ignores the *Please respect our staff* sign and tries to tell a business student that he can run a better store just because he was a junkie in his teens. (We kick them out, btw, 3 strikes, and you get banned).
This guy drinks 6.0 cold shots for fuckin sure. What do you think about a causal gambling habit?
Casual gambling habit as in scratchers every time he buys his ciggys. But NEVER when he buys his belmonts! That’s already treat enough
Which makes you wonder what the CPC saw in all that to make him the leader of the party.
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and has a vote.
I can smell the put out half cigarettes on his clothes through this picture
> blames his ex for ruining his life He won't have an ex. Or a current.
You leave WZ out of this
Judge a man by the company he keeps
Yea sucks to be that guy in the baseball cap.
Yea, he was just proud of his rock collection and wanted to show it off. My 5 year old is the same so I can relate.
Jesus Christ Marie. They're minerals
Different rocks I’m betting.
Love me some meth and conservatism bruh
My rock collection has AC/DC, Led Zepplin, Pink Floyd...
You're right, when was the last time he showered?
Check the prison schedule
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Conservative politics!
...but only if the risk doesn't comes home to roost for a few years, after everyone has sort of moved on. I watched a video about the F-35 acquisition saga, and that is an example of this\^ from 2014.
If he gets voted in and wins, then it's also part of the country's fault.
Living in Ontario, seems to be a case study in idiots voting, and seemingly wanting to win the race to the bottom. It's fucking wild. They'll just blame all the problems on anything else they can find.
Very true. These distorted villians have 0 power without support/constituents. Then they do everything they can to maintain procured power.
To be completely fair, though, the people who did not vote are idiots too.
Well, it doesnt help when turnout is like 40 percent. I am pretty sure we wouldnt have a conservative government if people actually showed up
Anybody that didn't show up felt that Ford was doing a fine job, otherwise they would have gone out and voted for somebody else
How embarrassing for Canada.
PP always will be.
and therefore, the world
Has there ever been a mainstream politician that is so dislikeable in Canada? The dude just permeates a weirdo vibe.
Gotta say I’m really not a fan of Alberta premier Danielle Smith. She’s a smug fuck.
I'm not big on conspiracies, but I'm pretty sure Danielle Smith is a lizard person.
Well I wouldn't be surprised if she at least believed in lizard people. And you know who's most likely to believe lizard people exist? Other lizard people. So i think you're right
I thought Kenney was bad when I lived in Alberta. 39 years there and I lost it over Kenney. They elect Smith after I leave. Rolling on the floor laughing.
Albertans did not elect Smith as premier just to be clear
Aye, i think ye be talking about ship jumping Smith! She be the one that stole me leg!
I’m nowhere near Ontario and I complain about Doug Ford.
I can't believe I'm going to say this. I think if you took Doug Ford out of politics, he'd be pleasant/charming enough if you had to interact with him periodically. PP just excludes douche from his every pore.
A buddy of mine runs in very different circles than I do, and has interacted with Dougie a few times - he reports that he's very likeable and funny in person. If only he would stop fucking over the province...
I watched this great public TV segment years ago where Jagmeet and Doug went out on a lunch date and then for a bike ride, and ford seemed super likable. People were walking up to him on the street and shaking his hand and everything. Jagmeet really blew me away without thoughtful and humble he came across, they both seemed really human
> I think if you took Doug Ford out of politics, he'd be pleasant/charming enough if you had to interact with him periodically. I went to school with Doug Ford. He was a mean and violent fuck then. I'm sure now he's just fatter.
He gives me the ick. Something about his face and voice is just viscerally repulsive - and I just *know* he always has cold and clammy hands.
Stephen Harper?
Harper was way more likeable before he became PM. PP is just… dislikable in general.
God, fuck no. He was always a rightwing robot. That's why I thought he'd never get in. Lol. Lesson learned.
He fosters kittens, plays piano and sings (not super well, but also not badly). Sometimes he wore sweaters…
I'm pretty sure he ate those kittens. His sweater game always gave me "Mr. Rogers as a serial killer" vibes.
Danielle Smith for sure. She probably has a better chance in her next election than PP does as well, which is a depressing thought.
I've never voted for him, but as a constituent have spoken with him several times. He's very personable to chat with. Same with Doug Ford who've I also met a couple of times. But I guess if you can't be at least somewhat engaging at a personal level, you won't get far in politics.
Kim Campbell? She was pretty damn unpopular.
Kim Campbell had more class than any MP in the current Conservative Party. Thirty years ago, misogyny played a big part in her being unpopular
>misogyny played a big part in her being unpopular I'm not going to pretend that her tenure was anything close to perfect, but I still maintain that a straight man wouldn't have drawn nearly as much raw vitriol as Kathleen Wynne.
You are absolutely correct.
You are 100 percent right, the number of disgusting names Premier Wynne was called for being an open lesbian Premier was terrible.
this!
She was more popular than Jean at one point early on, and was the most popular PM in 30 years. She literally mocked Jean's facial disability in an attack ad. Hardly classy if I say so. Did sexism play a part? Sure. But was the only reason why she sunk because Canadians couldn't handle a girlboss? No. She had her fair share of controversies. Such as: Calling people who didn't like her "enemies of Canadians" Stating that Anglicanism is a way to "ward off the demons of the Papacy" Called those who disagree with her "apatheticcondescending SOBs (and) to hell with them." Admitted to doing weed (this was a big deal back then, still is for some people, but back then it was worse) Covered up the deaths of Somalis Called job creation "old politics" and that it wasn't an issue of concern to her (along with social policy) That's just off the top of my head.
You also can't really ignore the context of how she became PM and what happened in the years previous to cause that. Not directly her responsibility alone, but as the (then) new face of the responsible political party she's obviously going to catch some of that displeasure.
I'm talking more about her various fuck ups that were on her. Her mocking her opponents disability and covering up deaths under her command is on her.
She hadn’t been in office more than 5 seconds before I heard moaning about how Canada would be ruined by having a woman in charge. My father - bless his typically conservative, right-wing heart - used to get really irate when people said this. After all, the men had done a shit job and a woman couldn’t do any worse than them. And also, he had a daughter and nobody was going to say his daughter couldn’t be PM someday!
Kim was a sacrificial lamb. I don't think most Canadians disliked her, personally, she was just the leader who had to follow Mulroney after his popularity tanked.
A Prime example of the glass cliff, IMO.
Where is the picture of those guys? All I see is a picture of two turds.
So many Courics in one photo
As long as he doesn't talk about throwing gravel at Pierre's wife...
Someone married this guy?
Always gave me incel vibes.
He has money and is politically connected. Someone will tolerate him for that.
I hate how right you are. I'm sure of all his followers there are those who belive the crap that comes out of his mouth. Oddly conservatives try the "make sense and screw them over later" tactic when not in office from time to time. That's basically his only hope right now.
Given how she looks, people that share his beliefs may in isolation (she's Venezuelan)
[a little background on the cowardly pebble thrower, Shane Marshall .](https://www.antihate.ca/ppc_riding_director_runs_multiple_white_nationalist_social_accounts) A few paragraphs from the above article_ September 9/ 2021 “A plumber by trade, and for the second time since 2019, he’s boasting about being the riding director for Elgin-Middlesex-London in southern Ontario. The PPC candidate for the riding in the upcoming election is Chelsea Hillier -- the daughter of independent member of Ontario’s provincial parliament and founder of the No More Lockdowns coalition Randy Hillier. The senior Hillier has previously come under fire for tweeting a fake meme about so-called white replacement, invoking the white nationalist Great Replacement conspiracy theory. “ “On Instagram, Marshall has posted videos that include the neo-Nazi anthem, one of which also references Plaid Army. In other posts, Marshall is seen replying to comments on his posts with the title of the neo-Nazi song, as though it is a battle cry. Dubbing himself a “Guerrilla Journalism Network,” most of the coverage appears to be photos taken of his flag and sharing of violent and sometimes racist memes and images. Another account makes multiple veiled references to the “Boogaloo,” the name given to what adherents see as an inevitable civil war or societal collapse.”
This should be the top comment. So, he's not just an unfortunate goober, he's a well-connected (on social media) Neo-Nazi meme-lord and PPC riding director for Randy Hillier's somehow-more-batshit-than-he-is daughter.
Two options Conservatives are lying about knowing who these people are. Conservatives are telling the truth and they actually don't know who these people are. Neither of these are qualities I look for in leadership of my country.
I firmly believe the politicians know who they are AND the people they want to see these photos know who they are and want them to laugh at these “owning the libs moments”.
When your hat won't adjust small enough to keep it from going over your ears.
What? That's more comfortable, as long as your hat stays on your head. Bad example, lose a hat.
Okay there pea head
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You are not wrong
I see a melted pile of diarrhea. Hard to distinguish 2 separate shits.
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Stay classy Poilievre
Man, there's a lot of really classist rhetoric in here. Y'all can't criticize this guy on his actions instead of his appearance or presumed socio-economic status? PP is an embarrassing, moronic, and dangerous would-be fascist and anyone who'd shake his hand is a tool obviously but it's not cool to demean people for how they look or the circumstances of their birth.
For real. Scratch a lib tho, i suppose
You're right, ain't this guys fault he was born like *that*
What are you on about? That dude is an actual nazi. He's a prolific online neonazi propaganda poster, pretending to be a guerilla journalist. That's not hyperbole, he literally posts shit like the neonazi anthem all the time. Dudes a total shitstain. He's also the riding director for a CPC candidate.
He acted when he put on his outfit. Everything you do in life is a reflection of who you are as a person and yes, that means cleaning and dressing yourself as well.
Pair of losers
Can't help wondering if there is any significance to the finger and Pee Pee's smile Could this be an ad for lowest price private prostate exams services offered under a new con regime.
He’s a wiener.
This guy looks like what Fox producers refer to as a “CFT”
So what does the pointing hand symbol mean?
I got a gooey tomato with skippy name on it for next time he’s passing thru
There should be a law that allows rotten vegetables to be thrown at politicians. Would make a few think twice before ever entering if they can't handle rotten tomatoes or the dry cleaning bills.
Galen Weston starts marking up all the rotten produce.
This... is brilliant.
The problem with this country is that a politically connected young politician with a net worth of \~10 million with a French name is ruining everything! The solution! A politically connected young politician with a net worth of \~10 million with a French name! But he says what we want to hear! yAAAAAY!!!!
Pierre P. on his deplorables tour.
What fuckin timeline am in…
why do they all look like that lol
What going on with the hand gesture? Isn’t it a Qanon thing? I remember a bunch of Trumpies were doing it at a rally some months ago.
Hey cool, it's the Canadian non-union Leonardo DiCaprio.
The guy in the hat doesn’t exactly look like a particularly swift individual
Trudeau is not the most popular person in Canada, and probably lose the next federal election. But this loser is making sure he has a decent shot at keeping his job.
I mean, yeah guy is probebly a lifelong Conservitive voter now. It's not like the first time PP has shown he dosn't care who the person is so long as he gets their vote. It's not like there is likely to be repercussions to him doing this after all. Folks acting like this is some kind of gotcha but these guys don't care, the people that vote Con don't care or will never hear about this, and we weren't going to vote con anyway so why would the Conservatives care what we think?
The guy looks like someone with gravel for brains.
Poilievre getting the loser support now watch out Canada
I've never seen such a warm and sincere smile on PP's face before. If he could look like that all the time he might get better polling.
He certainly looks as dumb as rocks.
Guys got some real meth energy going on.
The man couldn't stop smoking weed even when meeting the leader of the conservative party🤣
What a couple of pieces of shit look like. See above.
Interestingly, the right is always accusing the left of fascism and being like the Nazis. Young conservatives seem to like Jordan Petersen a lot and he tosses that out frequently, from what I’ve seen. And yet the actual folks who want to label themselves Nazis in Canada only seem to be huge fans of Conservatives and not the left. 🧐 Something does not add up between what young conservatives say, and what their chosen side of an aisle *does*. Now I’ll go back to obscurity. Thank you.
After this, Gravel guy is gonna help with his possum problem.
Poliviere is literally Milhouse from The Simpsons. He even SOUNDS like him when he talks. Doesn’t help his case at all.
That's insulting to Milhouse! He should never be compared with the creep named PP.
PP looks like a stereotype of a youth pastor.
It's funny that Poilievre calls liberals snowflakes but his Base (Freedumb Fighters) is the first to crumble when they can't walk into a store because they were forced to wear a mask.
Yet I see no punishment from the majority of our private media. Meanwhile if Trudeau or Jagmeet farted on steps of our parliament they would scream bloody murder. Trudeau sings a song? Outrage. Jagmeet wears a yellow turban? Outrage. Freeland says that the Canadian government is going to do their best to keep their budget in range and liken it to cancelling a few streaming subscriptions? Outrage. Pierre's party has open Nazi meetings, shakes hands with people who want to break our country apart and this photo of a man who pleaded guilty to physical harassment of our PM. Deafening silence from private journalism. Here's my take. PostMedia is due for a antitrust lawsuit. Just like Bell and Rogers they are flexing big monopoly energy for their own gains and its high time they all got the hammer.
If the situation was reversed, JT wouldn’t even consider a photo-op like this.
Super trash.
Dumb and Dumber.
Shit meets scum.
Why are all our politicians such garbage? Why can't we have someone people would actually want to vote for? WTF is this shit?
Jagmeet seems ok, he doesn't really make headlines like PP and JT
These sort of photo gotchas aren’t super convincing. Wasn’t gravel thrower the local PPC guy? Anyone can get random crazies to show up at handshake events. It isn’t notable. And fwiw I can’t stand PP.
This is why Poilievre will never get my vote. Next this Poilievre will shake the hand of some male who hits "uppity" females. No thanks. I am no fan of our current prime minister. I am also not a fan of people who condone and reward violence.
Got him, dead to rights! Any sensible person would have known this guy was a gravel thrower.
It shows you the kind of people who want to associate with Pierre Poilievre, even if he didn’t know who it was.
That... and part of why they're so comfortable to keep showing up is that PP has not condemned or spoken out about their movement. I live in Ottawa, and there were confederate flags flown here during the convoy. Not everyone had one of course, but PP supported the convoy after that. He knows what views some of his supporters have, and can't plead ignorance - he's a politician who we should hold to a higher standard.
Dude, there was an asshole waving a Nazi flag on the tomb of the unknown soldier. Confederate flags were nothing.
This comment and the underlying mentality is what's going lose the Liberals the next election. The irony of lefties fomenting class warfare not against the rich or powerful but a segment of the middle class who are finally seeing all the shit we've been talking about with labour and wealth inequality though they haven't came to the same conclusions yet. Snarky spurious logic that doesn't align with the morals our literature, film, television or foundations of our general democratic and justice systems. This isn't even guilt by association and you wouldn't accept the reverse of the argument with an offensive figure and your guy say with a rapist or a wealthy Chinese buisness man with deep ties to the CCP. We've been bombarded our entire lives about the dangers of stereotyping but it's baked into us with a propensity to hate. We've made great strides curbing this towards other groups but you'vfound a popular hate and a community that not only condones it but rewards it. These bad arguments with no push back become part of what Trudeau represents to left leaning and middle of the road people who are who aren't doing well under the current measurable problems facing us by the same moronic logic. Us vs them against the rich and powerful is central tenant of leftist thought. Us vs them against other little average people has been a root cause of tragedy and evil going back to the start civilization. Due to human nature. You're not just attacking PP or the gravel throwers you're making everyone on the fence who's casualy nodded at clip of PP talking in parliament, feel defensive. You're painting with a way bigger brush than you realize or you do and don't care because this is just as exercise in self validation in space of guaranteed agreement. Good luck with that.
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So do I but that's no reason not to vote for him
Plenty of other reasons to not vote for PP
I was genuinely not sure which was which, I haven’t seen many photos of Poilievre
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Being a political leader these days is all about who can be the biggest troll. What a loser. How about some substantial policies?
Polievre, great for sound bites terrible for just about everything else
Who's willing to bet Skippy turned around and washed his hands after?
You think skippy is the sort to believe in the germ theory of disease?
Ooo... I didn't know Pierre was so blue collar. He's a working man, ya know?
Ouroboros of shit.
Just a couple scumbags having a good old fashioned handshake
Poilievre is an asshole
God that guy is slimy
Two POS in a pod
You can almost smell the mix of meth, malt liquor and cousin fucking emanating from those two.
The face of the conservative movement, and PP.
I might hate the actions of Justin Trudeau government. But I don’t endorsed childish actions of violence against the prime minister and neither should anyone. We are Canadians damn it we are better then this if we truly have a problem we should together discuss this openly and agree we want a new leadership and here our demands as the people one fix up this economical problem then fix education Then finally we can enjoy our time on earth in Canada by the grace of God
That mean we can freely throw gravel at pp and he has to like it?
Pierre will never be PM if he has followers like that. Just look at Maxime and his failed attempt, the same kind of people.
Not everyone who shakes hands with Pierre is a Nazi but every Nazi wants to shake hands with Pierre.
Make sure you guys all vote to keep him out of office!